The Wing-T Offense--why don't any Division I schools run it?
By Archie Leach
For those of you who haven't seen a team (most likely either a high
school or some D-III team like the Flying Dutchmen of Hope College) who
utilizes the Wing-T attack, here's a brief synopsis:
+ Offensive team lines up either in a full-house backfield or else
moving one of the halfbacks out to a wing position (for the classic
"wing-T" look)
+ Most running plays feature the quarterback utilizing a series of fakes
to the running backs, not unlike the belly-fake that a quarterback makes
to the fullback in an option offense
+ Similar to the option is the bread-and-butter play, the quick-hitter
inside-handoff to the fullback straight up the middle. In an effective
Wing-T attack, the quarterback makes an almost instantaneous motion from
receiving the snap to making either the fake or the real quick-handoff
to the FB
+ One of the most devastating running plays (IMO) a defense has to face
against a good Wing-T team is the inside wingback counter play--the QB
fakes to the fb and the other HB and then, with all the pursuit headed
toward the wing side of the formation, the wingback takes the hand off
running away from the pursuit towards the weak side of the formation.
+ What seperates the really good "pure" Wing-T offenses from the
okay-mediocre ones is any one of the following:
a.) Being able to put 3 bruising running backs who run like miniature
versions of Christian Okoye (c.f. the 1999 Muskegon Orchard View HS team
that lost to Detroit Country Day in the Michigan D-5 finals)
b.) Having a quarterback who has enough speed to beat the defenders to
the corner on the rollout calls (excepting for the quick pitch to the
HB, this is the basic outside running play in the WingT offense)
c.) Having a quarterback who can consistently hit the tight ends on the
play action bootleg passes.
+ In more than one way, a good Wing-T "bores" its opponents to death; it
deals out a physical pounding to the defense.....and at the same time it
sort of "numbs" the defense.....maybe the defenders for the first few
series are up to the task of finding out who's got the ball, but as the
game wears on, the mind wears down, the sharpness fades, and those
endless fakes become more and more effective.
+ A lot of coaches (at least in Michigan) who utilize the Wing-T are
strict purists--just stick with the one formation (say, the Full House
look) and use it the whole game.
So, back to the original question--why doesn't some lesser D-I team (say
a MAC school) try out the Wing-T???
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Jeffrey W. Rogers
Archie Leach) wrote:
>
>For those of you who haven't seen a team (most likely either a high
>school or some D-III team like the Flying Dutchmen of Hope College) who
>utilizes the Wing-T attack, here's a brief synopsis:
Great analysis. We used to run the Wing T in high school. I think
that your answer is, because it just got out of style. It's a
perfectly fine offense. In fact, a lot of the same plays can be run
from the split wishbone. The essential difference between the Wing T
and the split 'bone that is run by Air Force, TCU, Army, and Navy, is
that the tailback in the Wing T is moved forward and outside a little
bit more to become a second wingback.
--
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Jon Enslin
> On Tue, 19 Sep 2000 01:13:30 -0400 (EDT), stuco...@webtv.net (By
> Archie Leach) wrote:
>
> >
> >For those of you who haven't seen a team (most likely either a high
> >school or some D-III team like the Flying Dutchmen of Hope College) who
> >utilizes the Wing-T attack, here's a brief synopsis:
>
> Great analysis. We used to run the Wing T in high school. I think
> that your answer is, because it just got out of style. It's a
> perfectly fine offense. In fact, a lot of the same plays can be run
> from the split wishbone. The essential difference between the Wing T
> and the split 'bone that is run by Air Force, TCU, Army, and Navy, is
> that the tailback in the Wing T is moved forward and outside a little
> bit more to become a second wingback.
I could post the details of the vaunted "veer" offense, but that would cause
me to either short-out my keyboard with my tears or put my fist through the
monitor.
Jon
rbuc...@my-deja.com
stuco...@webtv.net (By Archie Leach) wrote:
> So, back to the original question--why doesn't some lesser D-I team (say
> a MAC school) try out the Wing-T???
Everyone knows you have to throw the ball at least 25 times a game. If
not, the offense just sucks and can't win.
This is set in stone.
--
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>not, the offense just sucks and can't win.
>
>This is set in stone.
>
>--
>Roger D.Buchholz
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>
> Everyone knows you have to throw the ball at least 25 times a game. If
> not, the offense just sucks and can't win.
>
What about Air Force? Don't they average like 300+ yards on the ground a
game?? Would they be considered a success?
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lein
> > Archie Leach) wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >For those of you who haven't seen a team (most likely either a high
> > >school or some D-III team like the Flying Dutchmen of Hope College)
who
> > >utilizes the Wing-T attack, here's a brief synopsis:
> >
> > that your answer is, because it just got out of style. It's a
> > perfectly fine offense. In fact, a lot of the same plays can be run
> > from the split wishbone. The essential difference between the Wing
T
> > and the split 'bone that is run by Air Force, TCU, Army, and Navy,
is
> > that the tailback in the Wing T is moved forward and outside a
little
> > bit more to become a second wingback.
>
> I could post the details of the vaunted "veer" offense, but that would
cause
> me to either short-out my keyboard with my tears or put my fist
through the
> monitor.
The same veer offense used by Bill Yeoman to defeat the mighty Huskers
in the '79 Cotton Bowl?
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rbuc...@my-deja.com
,
"Torrey M. Spears w/ Lea Racioppi" <tms7...@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu> wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Sep 2000 rbuc...@my-deja.com wrote:
> >
> > Everyone knows you have to throw the ball at least 25 times a game. If
> > not, the offense just sucks and can't win.
> >
>
> What about Air Force? Don't they average like 300+ yards on the ground a
> game?? Would they be considered a success?
No. Besides they are 1AA.
--
Roger D.Buchholz
Trent Woodruff
>>For those of you who haven't seen a team (most likely either a high
>>school or some D-III team like the Flying Dutchmen of Hope College) who
>>utilizes the Wing-T attack, here's a brief synopsis:
>Great analysis. We used to run the Wing T in high school. I think
>that your answer is, because it just got out of style. It's a
>perfectly fine offense. In fact, a lot of the same plays can be run
>from the split wishbone. The essential difference between the Wing T
>and the split 'bone that is run by Air Force, TCU, Army, and Navy,
Army doesn't run it anymore.
Trent
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>game?? Would they be considered a success?
Only when playing Iraq.
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Jon Enslin
> In article <39C8CD3A...@uwwvax.uww.edu>,
> Jon Enslin <ens...@uwwvax.uww.edu> wrote:
> > "Jeffrey W. Rogers" wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, 19 Sep 2000 01:13:30 -0400 (EDT), stuco...@webtv.net (By
> > > Archie Leach) wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >For those of you who haven't seen a team (most likely either a high
> > > >school or some D-III team like the Flying Dutchmen of Hope College)
> who
> > > >utilizes the Wing-T attack, here's a brief synopsis:
> > >
> > > Great analysis. We used to run the Wing T in high school. I think
> > > that your answer is, because it just got out of style. It's a
> > > perfectly fine offense. In fact, a lot of the same plays can be run
> > > from the split wishbone. The essential difference between the Wing
> T
> > > and the split 'bone that is run by Air Force, TCU, Army, and Navy,
> is
> > > that the tailback in the Wing T is moved forward and outside a
> little
> > > bit more to become a second wingback.
> >
> > I could post the details of the vaunted "veer" offense, but that would
> cause
> > me to either short-out my keyboard with my tears or put my fist
> through the
> > monitor.
>
> The same veer offense used by Bill Yeoman to defeat the mighty Huskers
> in the '79 Cotton Bowl?
No, it was the offense that turned Wisconsin from a mediocre football team
to a team of Temple-esque horrors. The Don Morton years...the futile
attempt to add a motion offense with smallish linemen into the Big Ten. He
also added black to the uniforms.
The whole thing was just horrid OK? I don't know anything about the '79
Cotton Bowl...<sob>
Jon
Oxford Systems
<rbuc...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8qau7b$6iu$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <Pine.GSO.4.10.100092...@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu>
> ,
> "Torrey M. Spears w/ Lea Racioppi" <tms7...@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu> wrote:
> > On Wed, 20 Sep 2000 rbuc...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > >
> > > Everyone knows you have to throw the ball at least 25 times a game. If
> > > not, the offense just sucks and can't win.
> > >
> >
a
> > game?? Would they be considered a success?
>
>
That would be news to Air Force.
koko...@my-deja.com
Jon Enslin <ens...@uwwvax.uww.edu> wrote:
Don Morton. Tulsa has never recovered from his reign. The mere idea of
the school of Largent and Twilley running the VEER probably helped
contribute to the football black hole that was the state of Oklahoma in
the late 80s-mid 90s.
I think he was also responsible for the Canes dumping gold for blue. Is
he running the Nike uniform design department?
dw
Jon Enslin
Actually, after he left he couldn't find a job coaching and ended up
selling insurance....in the Madison area. (dumb) He insisted even after
the first Rose Bowl that he would have gotten there eventually. I don't
hear much of that anymore.
He was the second-to-last hire by former AD Elroy "Crazylegs" Hirsch.
(Nice guy, big time Badger hero, but way over his head.) The last hire was
his own successor...Ade Sponberg....the AD at North Dakota State
University. (Talk about over his head.) Sponberg almost bankrupt the
entire department.
Then Donna Shalala came in and fired the whole bunch and hired current AD
Pat Richter who hired Alvarez. No matter her political beliefs, or her
sexual orientation, that is why I will always love that woman.
Jon
Thomas B. Gray
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In article <8qatnj$5sg$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, lein <jo...@boomercat.com> wrote:
> In article <39C8CD3A...@uwwvax.uww.edu>,
> Jon Enslin <ens...@uwwvax.uww.edu> wrote:
>> I could post the details of the vaunted "veer" offense, but that would
> cause
>> me to either short-out my keyboard with my tears or put my fist
> through the
>> monitor.
>
>
> The same veer offense used by Bill Yeoman to defeat the mighty Huskers
> in the '79 Cotton Bowl?
I saw Bill Yeoman and his wife at the Houston/Army fiasco last Saturday. The
freaky thing was that he actually recognized me.
I miss him.
Thomas B. Gray : Denton, Texas : tbg...@mindspring.com
B.Arch University of Houston 1996
MSCRP University of Texas at Austin 1999
(I'd point out that the game you're referring to was actually the 1980
Cotton Bowl, but then I'd get a hook stuck in my jaw. Anyway, I'm pretty
sure the '79 Cotton Bowl never happened [$1].)