You want racism? REAL racism?
Edward M. Kennedy
Try the ethnic cleansing going on between tribes in Africa.
Try the Sunni/Shiite/Kurd thing.
Try the Israeli-Palestinian/Arab thing.
Try the roaming Russian gangs beating up darkies.
Hell, Chechnya.
Western Europe's Muslim problem, which, for some reason
isn't a problem here.
If America is highly racist, then much of the planet is
moonbat sub-human racist. Maybe America's melting pot
(stew is a better analogy, actually) is creating a SUPER
RACE that isn't really a race at all, it's a culture.
--Tedward
Damon Hynes
It's all Bush's fault.
Chris Bellomy
> Try the ethnic cleansing during the breakup of Yugoslavia.
>
> Try the ethnic cleansing going on between tribes in Africa.
>
> Try the Sunni/Shiite/Kurd thing.
>
> Try the Israeli-Palestinian/Arab thing.
>
> Try the roaming Russian gangs beating up darkies.
>
> Hell, Chechnya.
>
> Western Europe's Muslim problem, which, for some reason
> isn't a problem here.
What about the pending ethnic cleansing of Mexicans in
the US?
cb
rastafar...@yahoo.com
What are you talking about?
Chris Bellomy
Google Beta User
elements in the country, AND also that some backwater types (i.e.
Appalachia, or bible thumpers) are very embarrassing for a civilized
country, but really overall the USA is much better than most places.
Only Scaninavia/UK/Canada come across as more tolerant in regards to
minorities, ethnicities, religions, etc.
But the US absolutely is not bad on a world scale.
Google Beta User
> > Western Europe's Muslim problem, which, for some reason
> > isn't a problem here.
>
> What about the pending ethnic cleansing of Mexicans in
> the US?
Embarrasing, and as McCain, the Republican GOP nominee for the
President said, insulting and unfortunate.
Still, many places in the world hate their immigrants more. Italy/
Romania, Fra/Arabs, etc.
But USA claims moral leadership of the free world, so should lead by
example then.
rastafar...@yahoo.com
> rastafarians2...@yahoo.com wrote, On 7/25/08 11:17 AM:
Okay, but that's nowhere near a majority opinion and will never
happen.
Plus, that's really not a question of racism. It's mostly the
perception of an "illegal" alien receiving benefits to which they are
not entitled and "taking away jobs" from "American citizens". I don't
agree with that (many illegals pay taxes without being eligible for
benefits), but I don't think this fits the definition of "racism".
lein
> Try the ethnic cleansing during the breakup of Yugoslavia.
>
> Try the ethnic cleansing going on between tribes in Africa.
>
> Try the Sunni/Shiite/Kurd thing.
>
> Try the Israeli-Palestinian/Arab thing.
>
> Try the roaming Russian gangs beating up darkies.
>
> Hell, Chechnya.
>
> Western Europe's Muslim problem, which, for some reason
> isn't a problem here.
You could also include Europe's continued racism against the Jews.
Google Beta User
> > Western Europe's Muslim problem, which, for some reason
> > isn't a problem here.
>
> You could also include Europe's continued racism against the Jews.
I've never understood why Jewish peolpe are considered a "race".
Isn't it a religion?
Damon Hynes
> I've never understood why Jewish peolpe are considered a "race".
> Isn't it a religion?
Does that make it more palatable? Just asking, not accusing you.
Google Beta User
No, the discrimination is there.
I just find the way terms are assigned interesting.
Like a guy is white. If it's known he's Jewish, he's suddenly not
white any more, but he's become a different race - a race called
"jews".
Muhammed Ali isn't an Arab is he?
Chris Bellomy
> On Jul 25, 9:18 am, Chris Bellomy <ten.wohsdoog@sirhc> wrote:
>> rastafarians2...@yahoo.com wrote, On 7/25/08 11:17 AM:
>>
>>> On Jul 25, 9:14 am, Chris Bellomy <ten.wohsdoog@sirhc> wrote:
>>>> Edward M. Kennedy wrote, On 7/25/08 10:17 AM:
>>>>> Try the ethnic cleansing during the breakup of Yugoslavia.
>>>>> Try the ethnic cleansing going on between tribes in Africa.
>>>>> Try the Sunni/Shiite/Kurd thing.
>>>>> Try the Israeli-Palestinian/Arab thing.
>>>>> Try the roaming Russian gangs beating up darkies.
>>>>> Hell, Chechnya.
>>>>> Western Europe's Muslim problem, which, for some reason
>>>>> isn't a problem here.
>>>> What about the pending ethnic cleansing of Mexicans in
>>>> the US?
>>> What are you talking about?
>> Fantasies of the nativist right.
>
> Okay, but that's nowhere near a majority opinion and will never
> happen.
You seem awfully sure, given our country's bloody and not-
terribly-distant history.
cb
rastafar...@yahoo.com
And even more against the Gypsies.
Chris Bellomy
True. They are the same race as the Arabs.
cb
rastafar...@yahoo.com
> rastafarians2...@yahoo.com wrote, On 7/25/08 11:27 AM:
I honestly think that the country is much more enlightened today than
it ever has been, and with America becoming browner and browner, I
don't see the pendulum going back the other way.
The BorgMan
news:25SdnUFKjLwxnhfV...@supernews.com:
Ethnicity, not race.
--
Aaron
Chris Bellomy
Chris Bellomy
Dammit. I suck at this subject.
What subject is it? Anthrology?
cb
Tom Enright
I hate this crap.
A. America is worse 95% of the time.
B. The other 5% of the time we should "lead by example" so any
imperfection indicts the entire nation.
Who the fuck is claiming "moral leadership" anyway? If YOU don't
believe in "moral leadership" expecting us to behave as such is
hypocrisy. The continual flucuation between A and B is so transparent
and dishonest.
-Tom Enright
"To come bearing modernism to those who want it but who rail against
it at the same time, represent and embody so much of what world yearns
for and fears -- that is the American burden."
-Fouad Ajami
Tom Enright
It can be both. There are religous Jews and athiest Jews.
-Tom Enright
"Well, I do go a-churchin' every Sunday with a bunch of bitter folks
who
complain about how the government is evil and screws them over, and we
yell an' whoop it up when the preacher rails against them Italians and
Jews, an' then we ...
"Oops, wait a minute, that's not me, that's Barack Obama. "
Tom Enright
> rastafarians2...@yahoo.com wrote, On 7/25/08 11:27 AM:
> >>> What are you talking about?
> >> Fantasies of the nativist right.
> > Okay, but that's nowhere near a majority opinion and will never
> > happen.
> You seem awfully sure, given our country's bloody and not-
> terribly-distant history.
Ah the POLLY-TICS OF FEEER!!!!\
Remember, this is AmeriKKa, a genocide is always just around the
corner.
-Tom Enright
> cb
Edward M. Kennedy
>>>> Try the ethnic cleansing during the breakup of Yugoslavia.
>>>> Try the ethnic cleansing going on between tribes in Africa.
>>>> Try the Sunni/Shiite/Kurd thing.
>>>> Try the Israeli-Palestinian/Arab thing.
>>>> Try the roaming Russian gangs beating up darkies.
>>>> Hell, Chechnya.
>>>> Western Europe's Muslim problem, which, for some reason
>>>> isn't a problem here.
>>> What about the pending ethnic cleansing of Mexicans in
>>> the US?
>>
>> What are you talking about?
>
> Fantasies of the nativist right.
It would be nice if you'd come right out and say what you
mean instead of ridiculous hyperbole. That's dishonest.
--Tedward
xyzzy
Something that became more ugly and prominent recently with the return
of Sylvio Berlusconi to power.
Chris Bellomy
I expect their fantasies to be partially realized.
cb
Tom Enright
Let's see.... you expect the ethnic cleansing fantasies of the
nativist right to be "partially realized." So how many dead?
Instead 20,000,000 partially would be....15,000,000?.....
12,000,000?......how but a very weak 11,000,000? Can we settle on
that? You believe that the "nativist right" in the US will murder
11,000,000 people. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure we can outperform the
Germans but I think a few Aushwitz's opening-up in Kansas may draw
some publicity.
So I leave it up to you. How will the "nativist right" slaughter
11,000,000 people?
*I'm on pins and needles.*
-Tom Enright
"In a scrupulously politically correct age, it's not offensive to
organize a "Kill the police!" demo or to preach that the government
invented Aids in order to perpetrate an African-American genocide. You
can pull that stuff and still be part of respectable society, hanging
out with presidential candidates and whatnot. What's grotesquely
offensive is the chap who's insensitive enough to point out such
statements and associations. So the North Carolina Republicans are
denounced as "racists" for being so unenlightened as to bring up the
subject of the neo-segregationist hater Rev Wright."
-Mark Steyn
> cb
Edward M. Kennedy
>> >>>> What about the pending ethnic cleansing of Mexicans in
>> >>>> the US?
>> >>> What are you talking about?
>
>> >> Fantasies of the nativist right.
>
>> > It would be nice if you'd come right out and say what you
>> > mean instead of ridiculous hyperbole. That's dishonest.
>
>> I expect their fantasies to be partially realized.
>
> Let's see.... you expect the ethnic cleansing fantasies of the
> nativist right to be "partially realized." So how many dead?
> Instead 20,000,000 partially would be....15,000,000?.....
> 12,000,000?......how but a very weak 11,000,000? Can we settle on
> that? You believe that the "nativist right" in the US will murder
> 11,000,000 people. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure we can outperform the
> Germans but I think a few Aushwitz's opening-up in Kansas may draw
> some publicity.
>
> So I leave it up to you. How will the "nativist right" slaughter
> 11,000,000 people?
I doubt there's even very many people who's fantasy is ethnic
cleansing. Deportation of all illegal aliens, yeah, a significant
minority have that fantasy.
--Tedward
The BorgMan
The BorgMan
b68d-84d...@v13g2000pro.googlegroups.com:
Do you think ethnic cleansing requires *killing* them, as opposed to just
expelling them from the country? Not that I think either is going to
happen, but both are ethnic cleansing.
--
Aaron
Chris Bellomy
That's such a beautiful strawman that I hate to tear it down.
cb
NapalmHeart
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The BorgMan
news:4aOdnd1iq5FauxfV...@posted.eaglecomputertechnology:
> Semites?
That certainly is ONE of the ethnicities present in modern Jews (of the
ethnic type) and Palestinians.
--
Aaron
Google Beta User
> Not all Muslims are Arabs. Not all Arabs are Muslims.
That's my point.
Kyle T. Jones
Trevor Zion Bauknight
The BorgMan <m...@me.net> wrote:
That's true. There's really no such thing as race.
--
Trev
Chagney Hunt
wrote:
> In article <Xns9AE683F73FFD0082...@130.133.1.4>,
Only if you nuke the entire history of language.
Edward M. Kennedy
> > >>>> Western Europe's Muslim problem, which, for some reason
> > >>>> isn't a problem here.
> > >>> You could also include Europe's continued racism against the Jews.
>
> > >> I've never understood why Jewish peolpe are considered a "race".
>
> > > True. They are the same race as the Arabs.
>
> > Ethnicity, not race.
>
> That's true. There's really no such thing as race.
<
<Only if you nuke the entire history of language.
Scientifically, race doesn't have much meaning except for
some specific things. Blacks are virtually infinitely more
like whites than they differ genetically, but there are
some tiny differences, some fairly important.
Culturally, race has a lot of meaning. It's neat the way
little kids universally ignore it till a certain age.
I think racism has changed WRT these two meanings. My dad
is a perfect example -- he has absolutely no problem with
succesful or even hard working blacks. Inner city single
moms on welfare and/or crack hos? Not so much.
At any rate, I think racism today is less about "blacks are
genetically inferior" and more about a reaction to a culture
of that includes rap, gangs, drugs, and single moms. Granted
not all, or even most, blacks fit that, nor are those into
rap necessarily into all the other stuff, but the "bad" elements
are quite visible.
If black folks would act enough like white people the way 2nd
or 3rd generation asians do, it'd go a long way to ending racism.
:-)
--Tedward
Only half-way joking on that last point. It's true, but it
doesn't mean they should
Trevor Zion Bauknight
"Edward M. Kennedy" <e...@eio.com> wrote:
> "Chagney Hunt" <ess...@gmail.com> wrote
>
> > > >>>> Western Europe's Muslim problem, which, for some reason
> > > >>>> isn't a problem here.
> > > >>> You could also include Europe's continued racism against the Jews.
> >
> > > >> I've never understood why Jewish peolpe are considered a "race".
> >
> > > > True. They are the same race as the Arabs.
> >
> > > Ethnicity, not race.
> >
> > That's true. There's really no such thing as race.
> <
> <Only if you nuke the entire history of language.
>
> Scientifically, race doesn't have much meaning except for
> some specific things. Blacks are virtually infinitely more
> like whites than they differ genetically, but there are
> some tiny differences, some fairly important.
>
> Culturally, race has a lot of meaning. It's neat the way
> little kids universally ignore it till a certain age.
Age has nothing to do with it. It's all enculturation.
--
Trev
Eric Kemp
> Try the ethnic cleansing during the breakup of Yugoslavia.
>
> Try the ethnic cleansing going on between tribes in Africa.
>
> Try the Sunni/Shiite/Kurd thing.
>
> Try the Israeli-Palestinian/Arab thing.
>
> Try the roaming Russian gangs beating up darkies.
>
> Hell, Chechnya.
>
> isn't a problem here.
>
> moonbat sub-human racist. Maybe America's melting pot
> (stew is a better analogy, actually) is creating a SUPER
> RACE that isn't really a race at all, it's a culture.
>
> --Tedward
>
>
Amen brother.
Eric Kemp
> Edward M. Kennedy wrote, On 7/25/08 10:17 AM:
>> Try the ethnic cleansing during the breakup of Yugoslavia.
>>
>> Try the ethnic cleansing going on between tribes in Africa.
>>
>> Try the Sunni/Shiite/Kurd thing.
>>
>> Try the Israeli-Palestinian/Arab thing.
>>
>> Try the roaming Russian gangs beating up darkies.
>>
>> Hell, Chechnya.
>>
>> Western Europe's Muslim problem, which, for some reason
>> isn't a problem here.
>
> the US?
>
I must have missed the memo.
Edward M. Kennedy
>> > > >>>> Western Europe's Muslim problem, which, for some reason
>> > > >>>> isn't a problem here.
>> > > >>> You could also include Europe's continued racism against the Jews.
>> >
>> > > >> I've never understood why Jewish peolpe are considered a "race".
>> >
>> > > > True. They are the same race as the Arabs.
>> >
>> > > Ethnicity, not race.
>> >
>> > That's true. There's really no such thing as race.
>> <
>> <Only if you nuke the entire history of language.
>>
>> Scientifically, race doesn't have much meaning except for
>> some specific things. Blacks are virtually infinitely more
>> like whites than they differ genetically, but there are
>> some tiny differences, some fairly important.
>>
>> Culturally, race has a lot of meaning. It's neat the way
>> little kids universally ignore it till a certain age.
>
> Age has nothing to do with it. It's all enculturation.
No shit. And only little kids haven't been.
--Tedward
David V. Loewe, Jr
<tr...@moodchanginggood.net> wrote:
> The BorgMan <m...@me.net> wrote:
>> Chris Bellomy <ten.wohsdoog@sirhc> wrote:
>> > Google Beta User wrote, On 7/25/08 11:38 AM:
>> >> On Jul 25, 12:37 pm, lein <boomer_the_...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>> Western Europe's Muslim problem, which, for some reason
>> >>>> isn't a problem here.
>> >>> You could also include Europe's continued racism against the Jews.
>> >>
>> >> I've never understood why Jewish peolpe are considered a "race".
>> >
>> > True. They are the same race as the Arabs.
>>
>> Ethnicity, not race.
>
>That's true. There's really no such thing as race.
How are you defining "race"? Most of the things I see that say there
no such thing as race tend to define race as we define sub-species in
other animals.
--
"Unquestionably, there is progress. The average American now pays out
twice as much in taxes as he formerly got in wages."
- H. L. Mencken
Edward M. Kennedy
>>> Try the ethnic cleansing during the breakup of Yugoslavia.
>>>
>>> Try the ethnic cleansing going on between tribes in Africa.
>>>
>>> Try the Sunni/Shiite/Kurd thing.
>>>
>>> Try the Israeli-Palestinian/Arab thing.
>>>
>>> Try the roaming Russian gangs beating up darkies.
>>>
>>> Hell, Chechnya.
>>>
>>> Western Europe's Muslim problem, which, for some reason
>>> isn't a problem here.
>>
>> What about the pending ethnic cleansing of Mexicans in
>> the US?
>>
>> cb
>
> I must have missed the memo.
Deporting illegal aliens -- not the legal ones, and not just
Mexicans or even Latinos either -- is an ethnic event.
--Tedward
rastafar...@yahoo.com
> "Chagney Hunt" <ess...@gmail.com> wrote
>
> > > >>>> Western Europe's Muslim problem, which, for some reason
> > > >>>> isn't a problem here.
> > > >>> You could also include Europe's continued racism against the Jews.
>
> > > >> I've never understood why Jewish peolpe are considered a "race".
>
> > > > True. They are the same race as the Arabs.
>
> > > Ethnicity, not race.
>
> > That's true. There's really no such thing as race.
>
> <
> <Only if you nuke the entire history of language.
>
> Scientifically, race doesn't have much meaning except for
> some specific things. Blacks are virtually infinitely more
> like whites than they differ genetically, but there are
> some tiny differences, some fairly important.
>
> Culturally, race has a lot of meaning. It's neat the way
> little kids universally ignore it till a certain age.
Yes. When my daughters (starting 1st grade next month) talk about
their classmates of color, they talk about them having brown or dark
skin -- they don't use any race labels, and we plan to keep it that
way.
Of course, the fact that within our immediate family we have white to
medium brown, and the fact that they are twins, but one is lighter and
one is darker, helps them to see intuitively that people have varying
colors, not just 2 or 3.
>
> I think racism has changed WRT these two meanings. My dad
> is a perfect example -- he has absolutely no problem with
> succesful or even hard working blacks. Inner city single
> moms on welfare and/or crack hos? Not so much.
>
> At any rate, I think racism today is less about "blacks are
> genetically inferior" and more about a reaction to a culture
> of that includes rap, gangs, drugs, and single moms. Granted
> not all, or even most, blacks fit that, nor are those into
> rap necessarily into all the other stuff, but the "bad" elements
> are quite visible.
>
> If black folks would act enough like white people the way 2nd
> or 3rd generation asians do, it'd go a long way to ending racism.
> :-)
I think it would be much better if everyone just started acting more
like 2nd generation Indians we'd all be better off. And we'd all be
Patels too!
James Schrumpf
No, it's called "enforcing the law."
Gawdz, save us from such stupidity.
--
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Play like your couch is on fire!
John Rogers
you like the same things I do! Wax paper! Boiled football leather! Dog
breath!
>Only Scaninavia/UK/Canada come across as more tolerant in regards to
>minorities, ethnicities, religions, etc.
How many minorities are in positions of power and/or responsibility
and/or leadership in Scandinavia/UK/Canada?
John Rogers
AU Class of 1985
The Al Del Greco of Atlanta
"Hammer's Slammers have become a vehicle for a message that
I think needs to be more widely known. Veterans who've written
or talked to me already understand, but a lot of other people
don't. When you send a man out with a gun, you create a policy
maker. When his ass is on the line, he will do whatever he needs
to do. And if the implications of that bother you, the time to
do something about it is before you decide to send him out."
(David Drake, Vietnam veteran, author)
John Rogers
you like the same things I do! Wax paper! Boiled football leather! Dog
breath!
>Still, many places in the world hate their immigrants more. Italy/
>Romania, Fra/Arabs, etc.
Can you provide any proof that today's U.S. hates its immigrants?
Google Beta User
> You're not like the others, Google Beta User <wanyik...@gmail.com>...
> you like the same things I do! Wax paper! Boiled football leather! Dog
> breath!
>
> >Only Scaninavia/UK/Canada come across as more tolerant in regards to
> >minorities, ethnicities, religions, etc.
>
> How many minorities are in positions of power and/or responsibility
> and/or leadership in Scandinavia/UK/Canada?
Scandinavia is relatively ethnically homogeneous because of their
history, so it's not a fair example.
UK and Canada I don't know to be honest. EFHokie, what's the
situation in the UK? From what I know in the UK Indians have more
problems than blacks. But surely seats in government are not the
point, is it? There's another RSFCer from Canada too I think?
John Rogers
you like the same things I do! Wax paper! Boiled football leather! Dog
breath!
>On Jul 25, 10:35 pm, John Rogers <tiger7...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> You're not like the others, Google Beta User <wanyik...@gmail.com>...
>> you like the same things I do! Wax paper! Boiled football leather! Dog
>> breath!
>>
>> >Only Scaninavia/UK/Canada come across as more tolerant in regards to
>> >minorities, ethnicities, religions, etc.
>>
>> How many minorities are in positions of power and/or responsibility
>> and/or leadership in Scandinavia/UK/Canada?
>
>Scandinavia is relatively ethnically homogeneous because of their
>history, so it's not a fair example.
Fair enough... then why did you provide it as an example?
Google Beta User
> >Scandinavia is relatively ethnically homogeneous because of their
> >history, so it's not a fair example.
>
> Fair enough... then why did you provide it as an example?
Know people that have lived there. And from what I understand of
their society, they're unbeleivably friendly, clean, no poverty or
crime, well educated, etc. Seems like a good place to be, seems like
a very enlightened society.
John Rogers
you like the same things I do! Wax paper! Boiled football leather! Dog
breath!
>On Jul 26, 9:47 am, John Rogers <tiger7...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> >Scandinavia is relatively ethnically homogeneous because of their
>> >history, so it's not a fair example.
>>
>> Fair enough... then why did you provide it as an example?
>
>Know people that have lived there. And from what I understand of
>their society, they're unbeleivably friendly, clean, no poverty or
>crime, well educated, etc.
Friendly? OK.
Clean? OK.
Well educated... may have to stretch a point a bit, but OK.
But do you *really* believe there's no poverty and no crime? Really?
It is human beings that live there, right? Not super-statuesque
perfect aliens from the Planet Hawty?
Unclaimed Mysteries
> You're not like the others, Google Beta User <wany...@gmail.com>...
> you like the same things I do! Wax paper! Boiled football leather! Dog
> breath!
>
>> On Jul 26, 9:47 am, John Rogers <tiger7...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> Scandinavia is relatively ethnically homogeneous because of their
>>>> history, so it's not a fair example.
>>> Fair enough... then why did you provide it as an example?
>> Know people that have lived there. And from what I understand of
>> their society, they're unbeleivably friendly, clean, no poverty or
>> crime, well educated, etc.
>
> Friendly? OK.
>
> Clean? OK.
>
> Well educated... may have to stretch a point a bit, but OK.
>
> But do you *really* believe there's no poverty and no crime? Really?
> It is human beings that live there, right? Not super-statuesque
> perfect aliens from the Planet Hawty?
>
Your ideas intrigue me and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
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John Rogers
<theletter_k_and...@unclaimedmysteries.net>... you like
the same things I do! Wax paper! Boiled football leather! Dog breath!
>John Rogers wrote:
>> You're not like the others, Google Beta User <wany...@gmail.com>...
>> you like the same things I do! Wax paper! Boiled football leather! Dog
>> breath!
>>
>>> On Jul 26, 9:47 am, John Rogers <tiger7...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Scandinavia is relatively ethnically homogeneous because of their
>>>>> history, so it's not a fair example.
>>>> Fair enough... then why did you provide it as an example?
>>> Know people that have lived there. And from what I understand of
>>> their society, they're unbeleivably friendly, clean, no poverty or
>>> crime, well educated, etc.
>>
>> Friendly? OK.
>>
>> Clean? OK.
>>
>> Well educated... may have to stretch a point a bit, but OK.
>>
>> But do you *really* believe there's no poverty and no crime? Really?
>> It is human beings that live there, right? Not super-statuesque
>> perfect aliens from the Planet Hawty?
>
>Your ideas intrigue me and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
I really freakin' oughta be in Hollywood.
Unclaimed Mysteries
> You're not like the others, Unclaimed Mysteries
> <theletter_k_and...@unclaimedmysteries.net>... you like
> the same things I do! Wax paper! Boiled football leather! Dog breath!
>
>> John Rogers wrote:
>>> You're not like the others, Google Beta User <wany...@gmail.com>...
>>> you like the same things I do! Wax paper! Boiled football leather! Dog
>>> breath!
>>>
>>>> On Jul 26, 9:47 am, John Rogers <tiger7...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Scandinavia is relatively ethnically homogeneous because of their
>>>>>> history, so it's not a fair example.
>>>>> Fair enough... then why did you provide it as an example?
>>>> Know people that have lived there. And from what I understand of
>>>> their society, they're unbeleivably friendly, clean, no poverty or
>>>> crime, well educated, etc.
>>> Friendly? OK.
>>>
>>> Clean? OK.
>>>
>>> Well educated... may have to stretch a point a bit, but OK.
>>>
>>> But do you *really* believe there's no poverty and no crime? Really?
>>> It is human beings that live there, right? Not super-statuesque
>>> perfect aliens from the Planet Hawty?
>> Your ideas intrigue me and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
>
> I really freakin' oughta be in Hollywood.
>
Yeah, but you couldn't get anybody to be in your movies besides Chuck
Norris, Ben Stein and Bo Derek ...
Okay, maybe you could make that work.
John Rogers
Nahhh... I would just make sure that everyone knew the evil CIA was
trying to shut down my movies and that Catholic priests were actually
watching all the nekkidness in my movies inside their confessionals
and Hollywood would love me.
rich hammett
olisi pitänyt tietää KUKA SINÄ OLET, John Rogers:
I missed your idiocy about Scandinavia above.
No, there is no poverty in Scandinavia like in the US.
And they are much better educated on average than
Americans.
These are not some fantasy like "Obama can heal
with his touch" or "there are WMDs in Iraq."
They may seem that way to you, since better
education and less poverty might seem like a
fantasy in Atlanta.
rich
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John Rogers
That isn't what Google Beta User said. Stop jousting with your
strawman.
>And they are much better educated on average than
>Americans.
That isn't what Google Beta User said. Stop jousting with your
strawman.
Google Beta User
> >And they are much better educated on average than
> >Americans.
>
> That isn't what Google Beta User said. Stop jousting with your
> strawman.
FFS, did you think I meant there is 0.00% poverty and crime?
It's much lower than virtually anywhere else is what I meant.
rich hammett
I was around some of the poorest people in Finland quite often.
I would feel pretty confident saying that there is 0% poverty
(for example, Atlanta-style poverty) in Finland. Not 0.00%,
since we're dealing with human beings.
Finland has some of the most liberal gun laws in Europe. It
probably has some of the highest gun crime statistics in
Europe, although it's not comparable to the US. But no, I'm
not going to dig up statistics on those things right now.
John Rogers
you like the same things I do! Wax paper! Boiled football leather! Dog
breath!
>I would feel pretty confident saying that there is 0% poverty
>(for example, Atlanta-style poverty) in Finland. Not 0.00%,
>since we're dealing with human beings.
I want to thank you gentlemen for finally opening your eyes and
reinforcing my point.
J.C. Watts Enslin
> On Jul 25, 4:35 pm, "Edward M. Kennedy" <e...@eio.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Chagney Hunt" <ess...@gmail.com> wrote
>
> > > > >>>> Western Europe's Muslim problem, which, for some reason
> > > > >>>> isn't a problem here.
> > > > >>> You could also include Europe's continued racism against the Jews.
>
> > > > >> I've never understood why Jewish peolpe are considered a "race".
>
> > > > > True. They are the same race as the Arabs.
>
> > > > Ethnicity, not race.
>
> > > That's true. There's really no such thing as race.
>
> > <
> > <Only if you nuke the entire history of language.
>
> > Scientifically, race doesn't have much meaning except for
> > some specific things. Blacks are virtually infinitely more
> > like whites than they differ genetically, but there are
> > some tiny differences, some fairly important.
>
> > Culturally, race has a lot of meaning. It's neat the way
> > little kids universally ignore it till a certain age.
>
> Yes. When my daughters (starting 1st grade next month) talk about
> their classmates of color, they talk about them having brown or dark
> skin -- they don't use any race labels, and we plan to keep it that
> way.
Good luck with that.
Jon
Cornelius
Even if all of the above is true, what's it got to do with tolerance
of other ethnicities?
I've spent a fair amount of time in Denmark and Sweden with work and
they are very pleasant places. The people are friendly, things are
clean, I felt safe. But it's a stretch to say there is no poverty or
no crime. They also pay out the ass in taxes to provide for what they
have.
Also, there are certainly racists there just as there are in any
society. I've got a Swedish colleague, born in Sweden to Greek
parents and he gets mild racial abuse all the time and he's white.
Apparently amongst the not so well educated natives, anyone with dark
hair is open for abuse.
--
Cornelius
Cornelius
> Minun olisi pitänyt tietää, olisi pitänyt tietää,
> olisi pitänyt tietää KUKA SINÄ OLET, Google Beta User:
>
> > On Jul 26, 6:07 pm, John Rogers <tiger7...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >And they are much better educated on average than
> >> >Americans.
>
> >> That isn't what Google Beta User said. Stop jousting with your
> >> strawman.
> > FFS, did you think I meant there is 0.00% poverty and crime?
> > It's much lower than virtually anywhere else is what I meant.
>
> I was around some of the poorest people in Finland quite often.
>
> I would feel pretty confident saying that there is 0% poverty
> (for example, Atlanta-style poverty) in Finland. Not 0.00%,
> since we're dealing with human beings.
>
> Finland has some of the most liberal gun laws in Europe. It
> probably has some of the highest gun crime statistics in
> Europe, although it's not comparable to the US. But no, I'm
> not going to dig up statistics on those things right now.
>
Not to detract from your points, but Finland isn't included in most
definitions of Scandanavia.
--
Cornelius
The BorgMan
7B0F06.165...@earthlink.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net:
> In article <Xns9AE683F7...@130.133.1.4>,
> The BorgMan <m...@me.net> wrote:
>
>> Chris Bellomy <ten.wohsdoog@sirhc> wrote in
>> news:25SdnUFKjLwxnhfV...@supernews.com:
>>
>> > Google Beta User wrote, On 7/25/08 11:38 AM:
>> >> On Jul 25, 12:37 pm, lein <boomer_the_...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>> Western Europe's Muslim problem, which, for some reason
>> >>>> isn't a problem here.
>> >>> You could also include Europe's continued racism against the Jews.
>> >>
>> >> I've never understood why Jewish peolpe are considered a "race".
>> >
>> > True. They are the same race as the Arabs.
>>
>> Ethnicity, not race.
>
> That's true. There's really no such thing as race.
Sure there is - in the same way there is such a thing as unicorns. It's a
construct of the human mind, and one which is essentially useless... but
it exists.
--
Aaron
Tom Enright
> >> Ethnicity, not race.
> > That's true. There's really no such thing as race.
> Sure there is - in the same way there is such a thing as unicorns. It's a
> construct of the human mind, and one which is essentially useless... but
> it exists.
Much like "institutional racism."
There really is no such thing as race in the same sense that if you
passed a law declaring that "limes" are now called "lemons" limes do
not really exist.
-Tom Enright
> --
> Aaron
Edward M. Kennedy
>>> >>>>> Try the ethnic cleansing during the breakup of Yugoslavia.
>>> >>>>> Try the ethnic cleansing going on between tribes in Africa.
>>> >>>>> Try the Sunni/Shiite/Kurd thing.
>>> >>>>> Try the Israeli-Palestinian/Arab thing.
>>> >>>>> Try the roaming Russian gangs beating up darkies.
>>> >>>>> Hell, Chechnya.
>>> >>>>> Western Europe's Muslim problem, which, for some reason
>>> >>>>> isn't a problem here.
>>> >>>> What about the pending ethnic cleansing of Mexicans in
>>> >>>> the US?
>>> >>> What are you talking about?
>>
>>> >> Fantasies of the nativist right.
>>
>>> > It would be nice if you'd come right out and say what you
>>> > mean instead of ridiculous hyperbole. That's dishonest.
>>
>>> I expect their fantasies to be partially realized.
>>
>> Let's see.... you expect the ethnic cleansing fantasies of the
>> nativist right to be "partially realized." So how many dead?
>> Instead 20,000,000 partially would be....15,000,000?.....
>> 12,000,000?......how but a very weak 11,000,000? Can we settle on
>> that? You believe that the "nativist right" in the US will murder
>> 11,000,000 people. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure we can outperform the
>> Germans but I think a few Aushwitz's opening-up in Kansas may draw
>> some publicity.
>>
>> So I leave it up to you. How will the "nativist right" slaughter
>> 11,000,000 people?
>>
>> *I'm on pins and needles.*
>
> Do you think ethnic cleansing requires *killing* them, as opposed to just
> expelling them from the country? Not that I think either is going to
> happen, but both are ethnic cleansing.
Nobody is advocating the expulsion of the majority of Hispanics
who are here legally.
--Tedward
The BorgMan
news:g6kohp$c35$1...@gargoyle.oit.duke.edu:
But are they advocating the expulsion of the majority of Hispanics?
--
Aaron
Edward M. Kennedy
Edward M. Kennedy
People who approve of Affrimative Action shouldn't claim
there's no such thing as race, because otherwise their
dumbass logic would implode.
--Tedward
The BorgMan
There is no biological scientific thing such as race. There certainly is
a social construct called "race" that is often based off skin color and
loosely tied to ethnicity... and that construct has been used as a means
of dehumanizing and subjugating quite a number of people throughtout
history.
--
Aaron
Tom Enright
> "Edward M. Kennedy" <e...@eio.com> wrote innews:g6kppi$clk$1...@gargoyle.oit.duke.edu:
> > People who approve of Affrimative Action shouldn't claim
> > there's no such thing as race, because otherwise their
> > dumbass logic would implode.
> There is no biological scientific thing such as race. There certainly is
> a social construct called "race" that is often based off skin color and
> loosely tied to ethnicity... and that construct has been used as a means
> of dehumanizing and subjugating quite a number of people throughtout
> history.
So when an medical examiner judges that the bones he finds are of a
"white" person he is making, in fact, a statement about that person's
ethnicity?
Why can science distinguish between the bones of a "black" person and
a "white" person but not between a Frenchmen and an Italian?
-Tom Enright
> --
> Aaron
Edward M. Kennedy
>>>> >> Ethnicity, not race.
>>>
>>>> > That's true. There's really no such thing as race.
>>>
>>>> Sure there is - in the same way there is such a thing as unicorns.
>>>> It's a construct of the human mind, and one which is essentially
>>>> useless... but it exists.
>>>
>>> Much like "institutional racism."
>>>
>>> There really is no such thing as race in the same sense that if you
>>> passed a law declaring that "limes" are now called "lemons" limes do
>>> not really exist.
>>
>> People who approve of Affrimative Action shouldn't claim
>> there's no such thing as race, because otherwise their
>> dumbass logic would implode.
>
> There is no biological scientific thing such as race. There certainly is
> a social construct called "race" that is often based off skin color and
> loosely tied to ethnicity...
Doctors care about race. And if you think race is only about skin
color...
> and that construct has been used as a means
> of dehumanizing and subjugating quite a number of people throughtout
> history.
That too.
--Tedward
The BorgMan
news:1bcf9840-94fb-414b...@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:
> On Jul 28, 12:58 pm, The BorgMan <m...@me.net> wrote:
>> "Edward M. Kennedy" <e...@eio.com> wrote
>> innews:g6kppi$clk$1...@gargoyle.oit.duke.edu:
>
>> > People who approve of Affrimative Action shouldn't claim
>> > there's no such thing as race, because otherwise their
>> > dumbass logic would implode.
>
>> There is no biological scientific thing such as race. There certainly
>> is a social construct called "race" that is often based off skin
>> color and loosely tied to ethnicity... and that construct has been
>> used as a means of dehumanizing and subjugating quite a number of
>> people throughtout history.
>
> So when an medical examiner judges that the bones he finds are of a
> "white" person he is making, in fact, a statement about that person's
> ethnicity?
Absolutely, yes.
> Why can science distinguish between the bones of a "black" person and
> a "white" person but not between a Frenchmen and an Italian?
You mean why can science SOMETIMES distinguish between the bones of a
"black" person and a "white" person... remember the way it works is that
different ethnicities do tend show a cluster of characteristics, but
idnetifications can easily be incorrect.
--
Aaron
The BorgMan
@gargoyle.oit.duke.edu:
> "The BorgMan" <m...@me.net> wrote
>
>>>>> >> Ethnicity, not race.
>>>>
>>>>> > That's true. There's really no such thing as race.
>>>>
>>>>> Sure there is - in the same way there is such a thing as unicorns.
>>>>> It's a construct of the human mind, and one which is essentially
>>>>> useless... but it exists.
>>>>
>>>> Much like "institutional racism."
>>>>
>>>> There really is no such thing as race in the same sense that if you
>>>> passed a law declaring that "limes" are now called "lemons" limes
do
>>>> not really exist.
>>>
>>> People who approve of Affrimative Action shouldn't claim
>>> there's no such thing as race, because otherwise their
>>> dumbass logic would implode.
>>
>> There is no biological scientific thing such as race. There certainly
is
>> a social construct called "race" that is often based off skin color
and
>> loosely tied to ethnicity...
>
> Doctors care about race. And if you think race is only about skin
> color...
No doctors care about ethnicity.
--
Aaron
deem...@aol.com
>
> >>> >> Ethnicity, not race.
>
> >>> > That's true. There's really no such thing as race.
>
> >>> Sure there is - in the same way there is such a thing as unicorns.
> >>> It's a construct of the human mind, and one which is essentially
> >>> useless... but it exists.
>
> >> Much like "institutional racism."
>
> >> There really is no such thing as race in the same sense that if you
> >> passed a law declaring that "limes" are now called "lemons" limes do
> >> not really exist.
>
> > People who approve of Affrimative Action shouldn't claim
> > there's no such thing as race, because otherwise their
> > dumbass logic would implode.
>
> There is no biological scientific thing such as race. There certainly is
> a social construct called "race" that is often based off skin color and
> loosely tied to ethnicity... and that construct has been used as a means
> of dehumanizing and subjugating quite a number of people throughtout
> history.
>
> --
> Aaron
True, but this is different from those who claim there is no
such thing as race. Whether biological, or social, the concept of race
is alive and well.
Trevor Zion Bauknight
<1bcf9840-94fb-414b...@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
Tom Enright <freddy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Science can distinguish the bones of a secretary from the bones of a
non-secretary.
Different groups of people have different skeletal structures. So what?
Race, in the terms that it's usually used to draw distinctions
(intelligence and so on) is a useless social construct. If you want to
use the word to describe phenotypic differences between different groups
of humans, you're allowed to do so, but it isn't accurate.
--
Trev
Edward M. Kennedy
Whatever. They aren't going to test a white or asian
newborn for sickle cell anemia.
--Tedward
Tom Enright
wrote:
> In article
> <1bcf9840-94fb-414b-8d08-02788248d...@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
> Tom Enright <freddy_ha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 28, 12:58 pm, The BorgMan <m...@me.net> wrote:
> > > "Edward M. Kennedy" <e...@eio.com> wrote
> > > innews:g6kppi$clk$1...@gargoyle.oit.duke.edu:
>
> > > > People who approve of Affrimative Action shouldn't claim
> > > > there's no such thing as race, because otherwise their
> > > > dumbass logic would implode.
>
> > > There is no biological scientific thing such as race. There certainly is
> > > a social construct called "race" that is often based off skin color and
> > > loosely tied to ethnicity... and that construct has been used as a means
> > > of dehumanizing and subjugating quite a number of people throughtout
> > > history.
>
> > So when an medical examiner judges that the bones he finds are of a
> > "white" person he is making, in fact, a statement about that person's
> > ethnicity?
>
> > Why can science distinguish between the bones of a "black" person and
> > a "white" person but not between a Frenchmen and an Italian?
> Science can distinguish the bones of a secretary from the bones of a
> non-secretary.
Science can distinguish between the bones of a white secretary and a
black secretary. The fact that they can is pretty solid evidence that
secretaries exist.
> Different groups of people have different skeletal structures. So what?
>
> Race, in the terms that it's usually used to draw distinctions
> (intelligence and so on) is a useless social construct. If you want to
> use the word to describe phenotypic differences between different groups
> of humans, you're allowed to do so, but it isn't accurate.
Saying "race doesn't exist" is a political statement, not a sceintific
one. Oddly enough, some of those who say "race doesn't exist" use
race to devide people when it suits their political goals.
-Tom Enright
> --
> Trev
The BorgMan
@gargoyle.oit.duke.edu:
Depends on how they are determining "white" or "asian". If that "white"
or "asian" baby has an African father, they just might.
--
Aaron
Tom Enright
> "Edward M. Kennedy" <e...@eio.com> wrote in news:g6l4d5$ieo$1
> > Whatever. They aren't going to test a white or asian
> > newborn for sickle cell anemia.
> Depends on how they are determining "white" or "asian". If that "white"
> or "asian" baby has an African father, they just might.
Yes, but only if they have a black African father.
-Tom Enright
> --
> Aaron
Edward M. Kennedy
Even if your point wasn't wrong, I'd wonder why you feel
the need to point it out. Clearly race is relevant.
--Tedward
The BorgMan
71dee5...@r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:
No, even if they have a white father with a strong enough African
ethnicity.
--
Aaron
The BorgMan
@gargoyle.oit.duke.edu:
What we call race isn't. Ethnicity is relevant.
--
Aaron
Tom Enright
> Tom Enright <freddy_ha...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:3a4fa873-7580-4f6b-bfdf-
> 71dee519d...@r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:
> >> Depends on how they are determining "white" or "asian". If that "white"
> >> or "asian" baby has an African father, they just might.
> > Yes, but only if they have a black African father.
> No, even if they have a white father with a strong enough African
> ethnicity.
Nope. There are thousands of African ethnicities. The ones which
may develop the sickle cell are black.
Afrikaan is a 100% African ethnicity yet they do not sufer from the
sickle cell. However, millions of blacks around the world who have
never been to Africa, who have absolutely no African ethnicity, can
have the disorder.
-Tom Enright
> --
> Aaron
Tom Enright
> "Edward M. Kennedy" <e...@eio.com> wrote in news:g6l6qj$ju6$1
> @gargoyle.oit.duke.edu:
> > Even if your point wasn't wrong, I'd wonder why you feel
> > the need to point it out. Clearly race is relevant.
> What we call race isn't. Ethnicity is relevant.
A white child who grows-up Bantu cannot have the sickle cell despite
the fact that the only ethnicity he has ever known was Bantu. Race
matters, and you know it.
-Tom Enright
> --
> Aaron
The BorgMan
572b33...@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com:
> Nope. There are thousands of African ethnicities. The ones which
> may develop the sickle cell are black.
No, they're mostly black... but as skin tone varies dramatically even among
those groups, it is quite possible for one to be white of that "black"
ethnicity.
--
Aaron
The BorgMan
> Afrikaan is a 100% African ethnicity yet they do not sufer from the
> sickle cell. However, millions of blacks around the world who have
> never been to Africa, who have absolutely no African ethnicity, can
> have the disorder.
Every single person on earth has some African ethnicity.
--
Aaron
The BorgMan
be10bf...@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:
> On Jul 28, 3:37 pm, The BorgMan <m...@me.net> wrote:
>> "Edward M. Kennedy" <e...@eio.com> wrote in news:g6l6qj$ju6$1
>> @gargoyle.oit.duke.edu:
>
>> > Even if your point wasn't wrong, I'd wonder why you feel
>> > the need to point it out. Clearly race is relevant.
>
>> What we call race isn't. Ethnicity is relevant.
>
> A white child who grows-up Bantu cannot have the sickle cell despite
> the fact that the only ethnicity he has ever known was Bantu.
Ethnicity is both cultural, and biological - requiring common ancestors -
so no, a white child who grew up in Bantu would not be ethnically Bantu.
--
Aaron
Trevor Zion Bauknight
<0d60896a-9d92-435b...@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
Tom Enright <freddy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Sickle cell is an evolutionary response to malaria and is prevalent in
populations that have evolved in regions susceptible to malaria. I know
that you probably don't believe in evolution, but there ya go.
Not having sickle-shaped cells is a disorder in that part of the world,
since it renders one more susceptible to malaria. It can also lead to an
anemic response, but on balance, sickle cells have helped far more
people than they've hurt.
--
Trev