Bruce Feldman's Top 10 college football fan bases
Tonawanda Kardex
the top 10 largest college football fan bases. Not largest revenue of
stadium, just the number of fans.
If you're talking about strictly the size of the fan base, I'd factor
in attendance and the program's reach (marketing cachet), as well as
things like how much support they drive via the Internet and their fan
sites. There are obviously many teams with amazing home-field support
bases (like Nebraska or Alabama, especially considering Bama splits
some of its state passion with Auburn), but this is my quick top 10:
1. Notre Dame
2. Ohio State
3. Texas
4. Penn State
5. USC
6. Oklahoma
7. Alabama
8. Nebraska
9. Michigan
10. LSU
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Interesting.
The BorgMan
4a92-9c0c-a...@k13g2000prh.googlegroups.com:
I may not agree exactly with their ordering, but it seems like an
altogether accurate list of 10.
--
Aaron
Chris Bellomy
Ten years ago, Florida State would have rated in
the top five. OU wouldn't have ranked at all. Miami
would probably have been on the list, pathetically
enough.
I think I'd rank Florida ahead of LSU, but otherwise
that's not an insane list.
cb
michael anderson
wrote:
Interesting in that it is full of ****......USC? Hell if ohio state
or nd isn't in town, you can get tickets for face or so(if it's even a
sellout). Plus, there are 4 sec schools who have more devoted/
fanatical/whatever fan bases than LSU......
the whole list is absurd.
michael anderson
hell I'd rank alabama(which he did), georgia, florida and tennessee
ahead of LSU.....LSU might still be ranked around 10 though.
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Edward M. Kennedy
> Ten years ago, Florida State would have rated in
> the top five. OU wouldn't have ranked at all. Miami
> would probably have been on the list, pathetically
> enough.
I'd put FSU on that list for the chycks alone!
--Tedward
Chris Bellomy
Yeah, but we've already established on multiple occasions
that you don't know a thing about college football, so your
opinion isn't exactly a weighty thing.
You make a reasonable point about Tennessee, I guess,
but again they would have made the list ten years ago,
not now. Georgia *might* have cracked the list in the
Herschel era... nah. Georgia is the Wisconsin of the
South. A perennial also-ran.
cb
michael anderson
regardless of their success on the field recently, the question was
about *fan bases*. Georgia has an enormous waiting list for season
tickets, they are one of the top 3(if not the) most profitable college
football programs in the nation(which has something to do with fan
bases), etc.....they are also the only major(apologies to gatech....or
not) college football program in what is the 7th or so largest state
in the country now, and in terms of "college football fans" what is
probably the 4th or so largest state in the country wrt college
football fans.......
No offense to lsu, but in terms of a fan base georgia easily beats
them.....
Chris Bellomy
I wonder what the sales for t-shirts and replica jerseys
are like. I suspect there's a lot more purple and gold
walking around in 'hoods around the country than there
is red and black. And I detest LSU.
cb
michael anderson
people in "hoods" in la/ms tend to follow pro football more than
college, so thats an irrelevant nonsense point anyways.......
and most revenue in cf is not generated by jersey sales anyways....
Georgia is a bigger program with more fans and more money and more
support than LSU.....any damn way you slice it. Sorry.
Chris Bellomy
Well, looks like I gotta give the devil his due. I
googled it up and you're right, Georgia is a major
player WRT revenue.
http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/article/116872
Forbes' Most Valuable College Football Teams
1. Notre Dame
2. Texas
3. Georgia
4. Michigan
5. Florida
6. LSU
7. Tennessee
8. Auburn (Bammers everywhere just shit themselves)
9. Alabama
10. Ohio State
11. Oklahoma
12. South Carolina
13. Penn State
14. Southern Cal
15. Arkansas
16. Texas A&M
17. Washington
18. Nebraska
19. Michigan State
20. Wisconsin
cb
Tonawanda Kardex
HTF did Sparty make this list?
mianderson
anyone who follows sec football even remotely would know that.....
that aside, revenue is different than value. programs like georgia
and texas obviously rank high in both.
mianderson
wrote:
I suspect if you took revenue instead of "value" they would be behind
programs like wisconsin and a few others...but who knows....
but jesus look at the sec.....they have over HALF of the programs in
the top 15...incredible.
The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior
Their methodology is interesting - sort of related to the OP, but not
really:
"METHODOLOGY: Rankings are based on what the football programs
contribute to four important beneficiaries: their university (the
value of contributions from football to the institution for academic
purposes, including scholarship payments for football players);
athletic department (the net profit generated by the football program
ultimately retained by the department); conference (the distribution
of bowl game revenue); and local communities with a vested interest in
the team (incremental spending in the county during home-game
weekends). The Forbes system weighs those four elements in declining
order."
mianderson
eh, the top 10 would look about the same if you replaced value with
revenue......
>
> "METHODOLOGY: Rankings are based on what the football programs
> contribute to four important beneficiaries: their university (the
> value of contributions from football to the institution for academic
> purposes, including scholarship payments for football players);
> athletic department (the net profit generated by the football program
> ultimately retained by the department); conference (the distribution
> of bowl game revenue); and local communities with a vested interest in
> the team (incremental spending in the county during home-game
> weekends). The Forbes system weighs those four elements in declining
> order."- Hide quoted text -
The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior
Here's the relevant question from the OP
mianderson
yes, but number of fans is almost certainly tied to revenue.....
a disproportionate share of revenue at programs like georgia,
oklahoma, alabama, etc is from donations to purchase season ticket
packages and the purchasing of those tickets. If there were only 100k
fans in and around georgia who wanted uga season tickets, obviously
there wouldnt be a lot of competition for those tickets....hence no
waiting list, no massive donation system, etc......
take a garbage program like gatech. They dont produce much revenue.
Why? because they have very few fans, and thus there is no increased
demand for their season tickets or even individual game tickets for
that matter......
if you track revenue of a college football program with total fan
base, you'll see an amazing correlation.
tom_sa...@yahoo.com
> Interesting in that it is full of ****......USC? Hell if ohio state
> or nd isn't in town, you can get tickets for face or so(if it's even a
> sellout).
As a fairly large school with a strong history in college football,
it's not surprising that they're on the list.
But what does who they play week-to-week have to do with the size of
their fanbase??? There's a lot to do in LA.
The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior
To some extent. Successful teams draw more fans, etc.
However, revenue doesn't really account for national appeal. A more
interesting metric would be to find nonlocalized merchandise sales.
And this question is, as you noted earlier, about fan bases. Local's
good and all, but a school like USC appears on the list b/c of their
national appeal - not b/c of length of season ticket list.
mianderson
ummm...this isn't the nfl.
ND and USC(to a smaller extent) is really the only school on the list
with *national* appeal.
There are 25x more freaking georgia southern fans here in georgia(a
worthless div1aa school) than there are any non-nd fans of any non-
georgia/non neighboring sec school....
people here care about georgia first and foremost....then secondarily
they care about georgia's rivals and sec peers(bama, auburn, florida,
tennessee,etc) with a little attention paid to gatech. That's it.
Nobody here actively follows oklahoma or whatever. And I'd be shocked
if people in oklahoma are actively following georgia or tennessee or
whatever. They're following OU first and then programs like texas,
nebraska, etc....
College football at it's heart is a regional sport. Always has been,
always will be.
A more
> interesting metric would be to find nonlocalized merchandise sales.
that would be a fairly trivial metric with the possible exception of
nd.
>
> And this question is, as you noted earlier, about fan bases. Local's
> good and all, but a school like USC appears on the list b/c of their
> national appeal - not b/c of length of season ticket list.
those are most likely very "soft" fans though....and as I mentioned
usc is one of only two schools in the country I would even give any
relevance to that whole national crap anyways......
mianderson
no, thats not it. You have to look past "total attendance" or
"percentage of the stadium filled"......
for example alabama might draw 11k or so more fans than south
carolina......but that's a worthless metric because it doesnt account
*HOW MANY* people would like to go to bama games vs south carolina
games. On paper it would appear that USC has 85-90% of the "interest"
in terms of going to games than does USC, but if USC has 85k fans who
at any given time want tickets and/or season tickets, and bama has
320k fans, thats a bull**** metric.
Thats why revenue better predicts the true interest/fan base because
with revenue those 320(and who knows what the real number is) fans who
want to buy season tickets for bama college football *ARE* counted in
the sense of increased demand which raises the donation requirements
which results in a good% of the revenue those type of programs bring
in every year.....
sheeesh, I thought you of all people would get this as your the
supposed economics wannabe of the group.
>
> However, revenue doesn't really account for national appeal. A more
> interesting metric would be to find nonlocalized merchandise sales.
>
> And this question is, as you noted earlier, about fan bases. Local's
> good and all, but a school like USC appears on the list b/c of their
> national appeal - not b/c of length of season ticket list.- Hide quoted text -
The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior
For the most part, yes - however, most of the other schools have at
least some national following
mianderson
<Iamtj4l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> For the most part, yes - however, most of the other schools have at
> least some national following
except for nd and usc to a much lesser degree(and usc is obviously
over the last 6-8 years), it's pretty minor and small.
Besides, there is also the distinction between name recognition and
being a fan. Most college football fans here know who oklahoma is;
almost none(unless they have roots in texas/oklahoma or whatever) are
actually a fan to the point they would actually buy OU hats and t-
shirts or whatever......
I've lived in the deep southeast(georgia, sc, etc) almost my whole
life. I don't know that I've ever seen an oklahoma, nebraska, penn
state, etc bumper sticker.
rsfc is not representative. Here we talk about all regions and
teams. But in the real world, just *LAST YEAR*, I had to watch
freaking "regional coverage" on abc between two teams that are
completely irrelevant and sucky instead of watching two top ten teams
(one of which is very high on that list) outside the "regional
coverage" play in that same slot......
The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior
> On Jul 20, 5:10 pm, "The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior"
>
> <Iamtj4l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > For the most part, yes - however, most of the other schools have at
> > least some national following
>
>
> life. I don't know that I've ever seen an oklahoma, nebraska, penn
> state, etc bumper sticker.
Odd that - I've lived in Bigger Ten country for the past 25 years and
can't think of a time I've ever seen a JawJaw anything. LSU and 'bama
- yes - occasionally Tennessee and lately Florida.
Hmmm - I wonder if there's a Nebraskans for Georgia chapter.....
Kyle T. Jones
I've done a pretty in-depth study - if, by in-depth study, you allow my
non-scientific eyeball survey of bars on Saturday afternoons all over
this wonderful country - and I've noticed Notre Dame, Michigan, and
Texas fans disproportionately pretty much all over - that's over a long
period of time, although in recent years I've seen an upswing in USC,
Florida, and LSU gear.
It's possible, of course, that ND and Michigan fans tend to draw my
attention/stand out to me a bit more.
I'm a bit surprised by the above because I've never noticed Georgia fans
disproportionately outside Georgia. I've seen more Bama and Tennessee
fans in bars outside SEC country than Georgia or LSU.
And I submit that this is equal to Feldman's bullshit "pulled 'em outs
me ass quick top 10" (I like how he mentions how one might look into it,
then basically implies he just put together a quick list without
crunching the numbers).
Cheers.
mianderson
<Iamtj4l...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 20, 4:18 pm, mianderson <mianderso...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jul 20, 5:10 pm, "The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior"
>
> > <Iamtj4l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > For the most part, yes - however, most of the other schools have at
> > > least some national following
>
> > I've lived in the deep southeast(georgia, sc, etc) almost my whole
> > life. I don't know that I've ever seen an oklahoma, nebraska, penn
> > state, etc bumper sticker.
>
> Odd that - I've lived in Bigger Ten country for the past 25 years and
> can't think of a time I've ever seen a JawJaw anything. LSU and 'bama
> - yes - occasionally Tennessee and lately Florida.
>
> Hmmm - I wonder if there's a Nebraskans for Georgia chapter.....
never seen a nebraska fan in georgia......
aside from this though because we just disagree on the basic
prevelance of non-region "fans"(and I know that this is going away
from the point of the OP), having a nebraska fan in georgia or a
georgia fan in nebraska doesn't do a lot for the program.....
It's better for nebraska to have one bigtime nebraska fan 60 miles
outside of lincoln than it is for them to have 20 nebraska fans 60
miles outside of athens.......because those 20 nebraska fans probably
won't compete for season tickets driving up donation costs. They may
or may not go to a bowl game since it's likely to be closer, but this
isn't as important.
Look at all the highest revenue schools......they all make their money
from people within 300 miles of them for the most part. I mean hell
I'm a michigan fan, but I haven't contributed anything in terms of
value to the program. The same I couldn't say about georgia.
And likewise if I lived within driving distance of ann arbor the
reverse would be true(ie I'd drive up donations for U of M and not
UGA)
The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior
I thought that was pretty much assumed - that it was off the top of
his head
mianderson
>
> I've done a pretty in-depth study - if, by in-depth study, you allow my
> non-scientific eyeball survey of bars on Saturday afternoons all over
> this wonderful country - and I've noticed Notre Dame, Michigan, and
> Texas fans disproportionately pretty much all over - that's over a long
> period of time
where do you notice all these michigan fans?
I've spent some time in most of the quadrants of the country....when I
spent in month in texas(during college football season), I noticed a
shitload of texas fans, some a&M fans, and then the fans of their peer
opponents in the big12. Also a few arkansas fans, but not many. I
didn't see any michigan fans, any georgia or florida or lsu fans, any
penn state fans, etc.......
, although in recent years I've seen an upswing in USC,
> Florida, and LSU gear.
>
> It's possible, of course, that ND and Michigan fans tend to draw my
> attention/stand out to me a bit more.
>
> I'm a bit surprised by the above because I've never noticed Georgia fans
> disproportionately outside Georgia.
me neither....which is good for georgia. They stand to gain far more
from georgia fans around the state of georgia and alabama and south
carolina and north and central florida than they would from georgia
fans in kansas or whatever.
I've seen more Bama and Tennessee
> fans in bars outside SEC country than Georgia or LSU.
When I was in texas I didn't see any fans of any of these four
schools....
The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior
> On Jul 20, 5:22 pm, "The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior"
>
>
>
>
>
> <Iamtj4l...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jul 20, 4:18 pm, mianderson <mianderso...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 20, 5:10 pm, "The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior"
>
> > > <Iamtj4l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > For the most part, yes - however, most of the other schools have at
> > > > least some national following
>
> > > I've lived in the deep southeast(georgia, sc, etc) almost my whole
> > > life. I don't know that I've ever seen an oklahoma, nebraska, penn
> > > state, etc bumper sticker.
>
> > Odd that - I've lived in Bigger Ten country for the past 25 years and
> > can't think of a time I've ever seen a JawJaw anything. LSU and 'bama
> > - yes - occasionally Tennessee and lately Florida.
>
> > Hmmm - I wonder if there's a Nebraskans for Georgia chapter.....
>
> never seen a nebraska fan in georgia......
mianderson
hmmm...no wonder i haven't seen them. A rinky dink website with a
facebook page(thanks to the efforts of one member!) who are based out
of the largest city in the south....and apparently they all get
together to watch nebraska games at some rinky dink sports bar!
whoooohoooo!
The nfl is different than college....I *CAN* go to specific sports
bars even in some non-atlanta cities in the south and find steelers
fans and cowboy fans(although steeler fans outnumber them by a good
bit). But college football doesnt work that way.
Hell when vatech played nebraska last year, the local abc affiliate
didn't even consider showing it to the southeast....in fact it was
only seen by like 5% of the country.
The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior
> On Jul 20, 5:40 pm, "The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior"
>
>
>
>
>
> <Iamtj4l...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jul 20, 4:34 pm, mianderson <mianderso...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 20, 5:22 pm, "The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior"
>
> > > <Iamtj4l...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Jul 20, 4:18 pm, mianderson <mianderso...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Jul 20, 5:10 pm, "The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior"
>
> > > > > <Iamtj4l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > For the most part, yes - however, most of the other schools have at
> > > > > > least some national following
>
> > > > > I've lived in the deep southeast(georgia, sc, etc) almost my whole
> > > > > life. I don't know that I've ever seen an oklahoma, nebraska, penn
> > > > > state, etc bumper sticker.
>
> > > > Odd that - I've lived in Bigger Ten country for the past 25 years and
> > > > can't think of a time I've ever seen a JawJaw anything. LSU and 'bama
> > > > - yes - occasionally Tennessee and lately Florida.
>
> > > > Hmmm - I wonder if there's a Nebraskans for Georgia chapter.....
>
> > > never seen a nebraska fan in georgia......
>
> >http://www.ga4ne.com/
> bars even in some non-atlanta cities in the south and find steelers
> fans and cowboy fans(although steeler fans outnumber them by a good
> bit). But college football doesnt work that way.
This might be the funniest thing you've ever written. Have you ever
even been to a sports bar? In a city with a population of greater
than 12?
mianderson
Let's see, just in the southeast I've been to sports bars in
atlanta(and surrounding areas)
savannah
macon
columbus
valdosta
warner robins
augusta
albany
miami
gainesville
tampa
tallahassee
vero beach
jacksonville
orlando
birmingham
tuscaloosa
mobile
montgomery
new orleans
oxford
columbia
charleston
mount pleasant
hilton head
fayeteville(in two different states)
greensboro
greenville
chapel hill
durham
charlotte
knoxville
memphis
johnson city
nashville
And Im sure Im forgetting bunches
HTH
Kyle T. Jones
> On Jul 20, 5:23 pm, "Kyle T. Jones" <KBf...@realdomain.net> wrote:
>> I've done a pretty in-depth study - if, by in-depth study, you allow my
>> non-scientific eyeball survey of bars on Saturday afternoons all over
>> this wonderful country - and I've noticed Notre Dame, Michigan, and
>> Texas fans disproportionately pretty much all over - that's over a long
>> period of time
>
> where do you notice all these michigan fans?
>
> I've spent some time in most of the quadrants of the country....when I
> spent in month in texas(during college football season), I noticed a
> shitload of texas fans, some a&M fans, and then the fans of their peer
> opponents in the big12. Also a few arkansas fans, but not many. I
> didn't see any michigan fans, any georgia or florida or lsu fans, any
> penn state fans, etc.......
>
>
Any Saturday you walk into either B-Dubs or The Fox & The Hound in The
Woodlands (that's near Houston), you'll see a rather large group of
Michigan fans talking with each other. I was pleasantly surprised when
I first moved into the area.
Of course, these days, if you want to meet a wide range of Big Ten fans
anywhere in the country, just head up to the nearest B-Dubs - their
exclusive Big Ten Channel contract pretty much guarantees it - never
seen a Purdue or Illinois fan in Texas until the season that stuff
started...
> , although in recent years I've seen an upswing in USC,
>> Florida, and LSU gear.
>>
>> It's possible, of course, that ND and Michigan fans tend to draw my
>> attention/stand out to me a bit more.
>>
>> I'm a bit surprised by the above because I've never noticed Georgia fans
>> disproportionately outside Georgia.
>
> me neither....which is good for georgia. They stand to gain far more
> from georgia fans around the state of georgia and alabama and south
> carolina and north and central florida than they would from georgia
> fans in kansas or whatever.
>
That's an interesting "spin". The way you word it, one might think that
it was an either/or proposition. I fail to see how having "fans in
kansas or whatever" would reduce the # of fans from "georgia and alabama
and south carolina and north and central florida".
Please, expand...
mianderson
> mianderson wrote:
> > On Jul 20, 5:23 pm, "Kyle T. Jones" <KBf...@realdomain.net> wrote:
> >> I've done a pretty in-depth study - if, by in-depth study, you allow my
> >> non-scientific eyeball survey of bars on Saturday afternoons all over
> >> this wonderful country - and I've noticed Notre Dame, Michigan, and
> >> Texas fans disproportionately pretty much all over - that's over a long
> >> period of time
>
> > where do you notice all these michigan fans?
>
> > I've spent some time in most of the quadrants of the country....when I
> > spent in month in texas(during college football season), I noticed a
> > shitload of texas fans, some a&M fans, and then the fans of their peer
> > opponents in the big12. Also a few arkansas fans, but not many. I
> > didn't see any michigan fans, any georgia or florida or lsu fans, any
> > penn state fans, etc.......
>
> Any Saturday you walk into either B-Dubs or The Fox & The Hound in The
> Woodlands (that's near Houston), you'll see a rather large group of
> Michigan fans talking with each other. I was pleasantly surprised when
> I first moved into the area.
>
> Of course, these days, if you want to meet a wide range of Big Ten fans
> anywhere in the country, just head up to the nearest B-Dubs - their
> exclusive Big Ten Channel contract pretty much guarantees it
well maybe thats the reason.......
the bigten areas(due to population declines over the last 25 years)
probably have more "transplant" fans than anywhere.....that could be
another reason.
Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, etc have all lost good chunks of
population relative to the rest of the country over the last few
decades.
- never
> seen a Purdue or Illinois fan in Texas until the season that stuff
> started...
>
> > , although in recent years I've seen an upswing in USC,
> >> Florida, and LSU gear.
>
> >> It's possible, of course, that ND and Michigan fans tend to draw my
> >> attention/stand out to me a bit more.
>
> >> I'm a bit surprised by the above because I've never noticed Georgia fans
> >> disproportionately outside Georgia.
>
> > me neither....which is good for georgia. They stand to gain far more
> > from georgia fans around the state of georgia and alabama and south
> > carolina and north and central florida than they would from georgia
> > fans in kansas or whatever.
>
> That's an interesting "spin". The way you word it, one might think that
> it was an either/or proposition. I fail to see how having "fans in
> kansas or whatever" would reduce the # of fans from "georgia and alabama
> and south carolina and north and central florida".
>
> Please, expand...
I probably went to far. It probably wouldn't "hurt" georgia to have
fans in kansas. It sure as hell wouldnt help either.
>
>
>
>
>
> > I've seen more Bama and Tennessee
> >> fans in bars outside SEC country than Georgia or LSU.
>
> > When I was in texas I didn't see any fans of any of these four
> > schools....- Hide quoted text -
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D. Giovanni Bretta
guessed South Carolina would even make the list...let alone be above
Nebraska.
Dan
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<cla...@excite.com>wrote:
Houston has heaps of LSU fans transplanted from Louisiana
mianderson
a few factors are prolly at work here:
1) south carolina has always ranked in the top 12-14 or so in terms of
attendance...they have a large stadium and tend to fill it up. So
attendance is probably a wash between the two schools. Nebraska
probably brings in more in the way of donations, but south carolina
does ok here too.
2) The sec has more bowl money than the big12 by a good amount. After
dividing this up, this isn't a lot....but it's not completely non-
trivial either.
3) The sec tv contract is much better than the big12's.
Im guessing those are the reasons why south carolina could be ahead of
nebraska.
>
> Dan- Hide quoted text -
mianderson
well perhaps, but thats a unique situation obviously....and I wasnt in
or near houston
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<cla...@excite.com>wrote:
>On Jul 20, 7:19�pm, �~����u�~�
When I lived in Alpharetta, Ga. in the early 90's it was also full of
LSU fans. We all met at off Holcomb Bridge Rd. at a Buffalo Wings
resturant for games. Can't recall the name of the place
James Gibson
Don't know if there is one. I know when I lived in Seattle that the
Nebraska fans there numbered enough that the Nebraska football game
was on the radio every single weekend, sponsored by the equivalent
group in the state of Washington/
James Gibson
> On Jul 20, 5:23 pm, "Kyle T. Jones" <KBf...@realdomain.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I've done a pretty in-depth study - if, by in-depth study, you allow my
> > non-scientific eyeball survey of bars on Saturday afternoons all over
> > this wonderful country - and I've noticed Notre Dame, Michigan, and
> > Texas fans disproportionately pretty much all over - that's over a long
> > period of time
>
> where do you notice all these michigan fans?
When I was in college in Southern California in the early to mid-90s,
I knew several people at my school who were Michigan fans with no
apparent connection to Michigan. One guy was from Central CA, and
another was from Connecticut. Since we went to a DIII school, we
brought our allegiances from home with us. I also knew F$U and Miami
fans from So Cal, mostly because this was the time when both of those
schools dominated while U$C and UCLA were pretty bad or at least not
consistently good.
James Gibson
I was surprised to see South Carolina as well, and one position ahead
of Penn State. Mike's point about the attendance above and being SEC
probably has something do with it. But unlike most of the other SEC
schools on the above list, which I do consider at least somewhat
national appeal, I've never really considered South Carolina to have
any national appeal whatsoever. I mean, they never make the big bowl
games. They've only made consecutive bowl appearances in '79-'80,
'87-'88, '00-'01, and '05-'06. Never even three in a row. And only
have a single ACC title in in '69. At least Tennessee, Georgia, LSU,
Florida, Alabama, and Auburn have made multiple appearances in bowl
games that would draw a national audience.
mianderson
I think the national appeal for lsu, georgia, florida, tennessee, and
auburn is pretty low. Then again I take a much more regional approach
to college football than most here do and think the national appeal of
any non-nd school is pretty low outside of their region, so.....
as far as the list sc ranked ahead of nebraska on, that was a list
measuring value or revenue or whatever......not national appeal or
total number of fans. SC certainly wouldn't be ahead of nebraska
using that metric.
That said, rsfc tends to overrepresent(in terms of how important or in
terms of how much national rec) certain schools get based on the sheer
number of fans of that team in rsfc(or fans of rival schools who take
an interest in that program).....
two that come to mind are vatech and nebraska. There are several
vatech and nebraska fans in here who post a lot. If an alien visited
the US and only read this forum, they would think that the whole
college football nation is swept up in vatech and nebraska football.
And yet when they played last year, abc decided to only show the game
to about 5% of the whole nation......hmmmmmm.
the_andr...@yahoo.com
wrote:
<bammer>
SABAN
</bammer>
a.
John Rogers
>Tonawanda Kardex <tonawan...@gmail.com> wrote in news:d86d5677-0d44-
>4a92-9c0c-a...@k13g2000prh.googlegroups.com:
>
>> From David in Southern California: I was wondering if you could list
>> the top 10 largest college football fan bases. Not largest revenue of
>> stadium, just the number of fans.
>>
>> If you're talking about strictly the size of the fan base, I'd factor
>> in attendance and the program's reach (marketing cachet), as well as
>> things like how much support they drive via the Internet and their fan
>> sites. There are obviously many teams with amazing home-field support
>> bases (like Nebraska or Alabama, especially considering Bama splits
>> some of its state passion with Auburn), but this is my quick top 10:
>>
>> 1. Notre Dame
>> 2. Ohio State
>> 3. Texas
>> 4. Penn State
>> 5. USC
>> 6. Oklahoma
>> 7. Alabama
>> 8. Nebraska
>> 9. Michigan
>> 10. LSU
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Interesting.
>
>I may not agree exactly with their ordering, but it seems like an
>altogether accurate list of 10.
Agreed.
I'm thinking Penn State may be a little high and Michigan a little
low. Other than that, not an inaccurate list at all.
John M. Rogers
AU Class of 1985
The Al Del Greco of Atlanta
"Life is short, so don't waste any of it carrying around a load of
bitterness. It only sours your life, and the world won't pay any
attention anyway."
(Pat Dye, HC/Auburn University)
John Rogers
animal.
>michael anderson wrote, On 7/20/09 1:50 PM:
>> On Jul 20, 2:35 pm, Chris Bellomy <ten.wohsdoog@sirhc> wrote:
>>> Tonawanda Kardex wrote, On 7/20/09 11:57 AM:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> From David in Southern California: I was wondering if you could list
>>>> the top 10 largest college football fan bases. Not largest revenue of
>>>> stadium, just the number of fans.
>>>> If you're talking about strictly the size of the fan base, I'd factor
>>>> in attendance and the program's reach (marketing cachet), as well as
>>>> things like how much support they drive via the Internet and their fan
>>>> sites. There are obviously many teams with amazing home-field support
>>>> bases (like Nebraska or Alabama, especially considering Bama splits
>>>> some of its state passion with Auburn), but this is my quick top 10:
>>>> 1. Notre Dame
>>>> 2. Ohio State
>>>> 3. Texas
>>>> 4. Penn State
>>>> 5. USC
>>>> 6. Oklahoma
>>>> 7. Alabama
>>>> 8. Nebraska
>>>> 9. Michigan
>>>> 10. LSU
>>>> --------------------------------------------------------
>>>> Interesting.
>>> Ten years ago, Florida State would have rated in
>>> the top five. OU wouldn't have ranked at all. Miami
>>> would probably have been on the list, pathetically
>>> enough.
>>>
>>> I think I'd rank Florida ahead of LSU, but otherwise
>>> that's not an insane list.
>>
>> hell I'd rank alabama(which he did), georgia, florida and tennessee
>> ahead of LSU.....LSU might still be ranked around 10 though.
>
>Yeah, but we've already established on multiple occasions
>that you don't know a thing about college football, so your
>opinion isn't exactly a weighty thing.
>
>You make a reasonable point about Tennessee, I guess,
>but again they would have made the list ten years ago,
>not now. Georgia *might* have cracked the list in the
>Herschel era... nah. Georgia is the Wisconsin of the
>South. A perennial also-ran.
Nah.
Tennessee fans are nothing if not passionate about Vol football.
But, much like Auburn, compared to many schools there just aren't that
many of them.
John Rogers
animal.
>Forbes' Most Valuable College Football Teams
>
>1. Notre Dame
>2. Texas
>3. Georgia
>4. Michigan
>5. Florida
>6. LSU
>7. Tennessee
>8. Auburn (Bammers everywhere just shit themselves)
>9. Alabama
I think you meant "Andersock just shit himself".
mianderson
> Hey, Chris Bellomy <ten.wohsdoog@sirhc>... keep the change, you filthy
> animal.
>
> >Forbes' Most Valuable College Football Teams
>
> >1. Notre Dame
> >2. Texas
> >3. Georgia
> >4. Michigan
> >5. Florida
> >6. LSU
> >7. Tennessee
> >8. Auburn (Bammers everywhere just shit themselves)
> >9. Alabama
>
> I think you meant "Andersock just shit himself".
1) Im not a bama fan(and in case you didn't notice the programs I pull
for are well above auburn on that list)
2) I would question the way "value" is measured and it would be
interesting to see the formula used. As someone else mentioned, south
carolina is ahead of nebraska and penn state, and that just doesnt
seem quite right....so something is up. Likewise there is no logical
reason why auburn would be ahead of bama. bama has better facilities,
a better stadium, they play in the same conference, more excitement
about the program and a much higher donation$ system for
tickets.......I dont see one single edge auburn would have over bama
in terms of value. Part of it may be how bama allocates money within
their athletic dept...I dunno.
tom_sa...@yahoo.com
> And likewise if I lived within driving distance of ann arbor the
> reverse would be true(ie I'd drive up donations for U of M and not
> UGA)
How much do you think that *you* would "drive up" donations for UM
versus what you do for UGA? I don't recall you ever mentioning
donations to Georgia, much less your schools. If you can drive up
donations, why not spread the wealth evenly?
tom_sa...@yahoo.com
> well maybe thats the reason.......
>
> the bigten areas(due to population declines over the last 25 years)
> probably have more "transplant" fans than anywhere.....that could be
> another reason.
>
> Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, etc have all lost good chunks of
> population relative to the rest of the country over the last few
> decades.
But they wouldn't find jobs if their graduates were not valued pretty
much throughout the US.
In Carolina, pretty much I saw all Carolina-based teams and a few from
Clemson. Here in western NY, my neighbor (born and raised here) is a
Texas fan, a father on the softball team is a huge Nebraska fan, I see
OSU, PSU and UM gear much more than Syracuse, and I'd probably say
that I see quite a bit of Duke and Notre Dame car window stickers,
plates, sweatshirts, etc.
mianderson
wrote:
> On Jul 20, 6:30 pm, mianderson <clay...@excite.com> wrote:
>
> > well maybe thats the reason.......
>
> > the bigten areas(due to population declines over the last 25 years)
> > probably have more "transplant" fans than anywhere.....that could be
> > another reason.
>
> > Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, etc have all lost good chunks of
> > population relative to the rest of the country over the last few
> > decades.
>
> But they wouldn't find jobs if their graduates were not valued pretty
> much throughout the US.
???? some of them find good jobs, some ok jobs, some jobs....I didnt
comment anything about their jobs.
Im not even sure what in the hell you are trying to get at.
lein
> Hey, The BorgMan <m...@me.net>... keep the change, you filthy animal.
>
>
>
> >4a92-9c0c-a973291c3...@k13g2000prh.googlegroups.com:
Not if you factor out all the mianderson type fans
tom_sa...@yahoo.com
> > > the bigten areas(due to population declines over the last 25 years)
> > > probably have more "transplant" fans than anywhere.....that could be
> > > another reason.
>
> > > Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, etc have all lost good chunks of
> > > population relative to the rest of the country over the last few
> > > decades.
>
> > But they wouldn't find jobs if their graduates were not valued pretty
> > much throughout the US.
>
> ???? some of them find good jobs, some ok jobs, some jobs....I didnt
> comment anything about their jobs.
>
> Im not even sure what in the hell you are trying to get at.
Well, re-read the thread ... you wrote that there were plenty of Big
Ten transplants and I commented that that is because the B10 graduates
are valued pretty much everywhere. Most business, medical and
engineering "best programs" lists mention a couple of Big Ten schools
in just about every one of those categories. The PAC 10 is well-
represented. Non-BCS schools (Wharton, MIT, Carnegie-Mellon, Cal-
Tech) are represented. I've seen Florida mentioned once or twice, but
more often than not, ACC schools are mentioned more in the south than
SEC (or surrounding) schools.
The BorgMan
140d43...@s31g2000yqs.googlegroups.com:
> On Jul 20, 5:23 pm, "Kyle T. Jones" <KBf...@realdomain.net> wrote:
>>
>> I've done a pretty in-depth study - if, by in-depth study, you allow my
>> non-scientific eyeball survey of bars on Saturday afternoons all over
>> this wonderful country - and I've noticed Notre Dame, Michigan, and
>> Texas fans disproportionately pretty much all over - that's over a long
>> period of time
>
> where do you notice all these michigan fans?
I don't know about fans - but I saw lots of people wearing Michigan apparel
both in Silicon Valley when I worked there, and in the Portland, OR area
when I worked there.
--
Aaron
mianderson
wrote:
> On Jul 20, 11:44 pm, mianderson <miander...@students.mcg.edu> wrote:
>
> > > > the bigten areas(due to population declines over the last 25 years)
> > > > probably have more "transplant" fans than anywhere.....that could be
> > > > another reason.
>
> > > > Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, etc have all lost good chunks of
> > > > population relative to the rest of the country over the last few
> > > > decades.
>
> > > But they wouldn't find jobs if their graduates were not valued pretty
> > > much throughout the US.
>
> > ???? some of them find good jobs, some ok jobs, some jobs....I didnt
> > comment anything about their jobs.
>
> > Im not even sure what in the hell you are trying to get at.
>
> Well, re-read the thread ... you wrote that there were plenty of Big
> Ten transplants and I commented that that is because the B10 graduates
> are valued pretty much everywhere. Most business, medical and
> engineering "best programs" lists mention a couple of Big Ten schools
> in just about every one of those categories.
people who graduate with an mba or md/do from a big ten school(two of
the three you list above) are "fans" of their undergraduate
school.....
so someone who did their undergrad at vanderbilt(just to pick a
school) and then went to northwestern for med school or their mba
wouldn't really attach themselves to the bigten school like they would
their undergrad.
HTH
tom_sa...@yahoo.com
> people who graduate with an mba or md/do from a big ten school(two of
> the three you list above) are "fans" of their undergraduate
> school.....
>
> so someone who did their undergrad at vanderbilt(just to pick a
> school) and then went to northwestern for med school or their mba
> wouldn't really attach themselves to the bigten school like they would
> their undergrad.
>
> HTH
I'm not sure how this would help, you're wrong. I know plenty of
people who have graduated from two schools and they affiliate
themselves with both.
Coincidently, I do not know many who are not affiliated with a school,
much less multiple schools, but claim some sort of fandom.
mianderson
wrote:
> On Jul 21, 9:57 am, mianderson <miander...@students.mcg.edu> wrote:
>
> > people who graduate with an mba or md/do from a big ten school(two of
> > the three you list above) are "fans" of their undergraduate
> > school.....
>
> > so someone who did their undergrad at vanderbilt(just to pick a
> > school) and then went to northwestern for med school or their mba
> > wouldn't really attach themselves to the bigten school like they would
> > their undergrad.
>
> > HTH
>
> I'm not sure how this would help, you're wrong. I know plenty of
> people who have graduated from two schools and they affiliate
> themselves with both.
nonsense.....if they do though it's 98% towards the undergraduate
school(for things like football) and 2% towards the med school or
whatever.
>
> Coincidently, I do not know many who are not affiliated with a school,
> much less multiple schools, but claim some sort of fandom.
I graduated from mcg, which is the state medical school in georgia.
UGA is the main state university in georgia, so since they didn't have
a medical school at the time it's really like I do have an affiliation
with uga.
Pauli G
>
> - Show quoted text -
how are you affiliated with
usc
miami
michigan
mianderson
well Im no longer a fan of Miami. With usc and michigan....I dont
have any affiliation except for being a fan.
Pauli G
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
why are you no longer a fan of the u?
mianderson
(sigh).....I've probably given the reasons 20 times
before.....googlegroups is your friend if you are really interested.
tom_sa...@yahoo.com
> why are you no longer a fan of the u?
Because the bandwagon ran out of gas.
Pauli G
please elaborate.
mianderson
I've had this discussion with you I believe before, and gave you
reasons then. If you are actually interested, look it up. Not my
fault you forgot.
Pauli G
I don't remember the conversation, but I'm fairly certain I know the
answer anyway.
Anthony Summers
wrote...
> In Carolina, pretty much I saw all Carolina-based teams and a few from
> Clemson.
That's a good way to start a fight right there, that is.
--
A. Summers || summerstorm0007-->at<--yahoo.com
Dennis J
matter, for crying out loud. Who knows what's happened to his brain?
Maybe it's scrambled his molecules...
>From David in Southern California: I was wondering if you could list
>the top 10 largest college football fan bases. Not largest revenue of
>stadium, just the number of fans.
>
>If you're talking about strictly the size of the fan base, I'd factor
>in attendance and the program's reach (marketing cachet), as well as
>things like how much support they drive via the Internet and their fan
>sites. There are obviously many teams with amazing home-field support
>bases (like Nebraska or Alabama, especially considering Bama splits
>some of its state passion with Auburn), but this is my quick top 10:
>
> 1. Notre Dame
> 2. Ohio State
> 3. Texas
> 4. Penn State
> 5. USC
> 6. Oklahoma
> 7. Alabama
> 8. Nebraska
> 9. Michigan
> 10. LSU
>
>--------------------------------------------------------
>
>Interesting.
of all the list i have seen, this is one of them...
it had to be said...
I'm thinking UGA needs to be on it for some reason.
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StephenJ
wrote:
> From David in Southern California: I was wondering if you could list
> the top 10 largest college football fan bases. Not largest revenue of
> stadium, just the number of fans.
>
> If you're talking about strictly the size of the fan base, I'd factor
> in attendance and the program's reach (marketing cachet), as well as
> things like how much support they drive via the Internet and their fan
> sites. There are obviously many teams with amazing home-field support
> bases (like Nebraska or Alabama, especially considering Bama splits
> some of its state passion with Auburn), but this is my quick top 10:
>
> 1. Notre Dame
> 2. Ohio State
> 3. Texas
> 4. Penn State
> 5. USC
> 6. Oklahoma
> 7. Alabama
> 8. Nebraska
> 9. Michigan
> 10. LSU
USC's fan base is fair-weather. LSU's has a significant amount of that
too (lots of 'fans' who jump the wagon and praise the team to high
heaven when things are going well, but one stumble and they are pissed
off, blaming everyone in sight, etc.). Plus, some LSU fans are just
nasty - pelting the other's bus, etc.. they aren't near the top 10
'best'.