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stephenJ
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LOL ... FSU fans *are* brutal. Hell, Paterno had FOUR losing seasons in
5 years earlier this decade, and the crescendo for him to go never
reached the pitch it has at FSU right now, and Bowden hasn't had a
losing record since 1976!
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Ike
> Frisbee� wrote:
>> http://i.tsn.com/i/photos/20091006/125933.gif
>
> LOL ... FSU fans *are* brutal. Hell, Paterno had FOUR losing seasons in
> 5 years earlier this decade, and the crescendo for him to go never
> reached the pitch it has at FSU right now, and Bowden hasn't had a
> losing record since 1976!
Apples/Eggplants
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Cyclone Ranger
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Oh, my. :-)
Jefferson N. Glapski
> stephenJ wrote:
>> Frisbee� wrote:
>>> http://i.tsn.com/i/photos/20091006/125933.gif
>>
>> LOL ... FSU fans *are* brutal. Hell, Paterno had FOUR losing seasons
>> in 5 years earlier this decade, and the crescendo for him to go never
>> reached the pitch it has at FSU right now, and Bowden hasn't had a
>> losing record since 1976!
>
> Apples/Eggplants
True, but Bobby built FSU. I don't understand why Seminole fans are
throwing him under a bus.
If Florida State can do this to a legend, what the fuck are they going
to do with a coach who doesn't have 330+ wins?
Cyclone Ranger
<jeffersonWE...@PENNSTATEglapski.com> wrote:
> True, but Bobby built FSU. I don't understand why Seminole fans are
> throwing him under a bus.
ADHD.
The Ghost of Edward M. Kennedy
>>>> http://i.tsn.com/i/photos/20091006/125933.gif
>>>
>>> LOL ... FSU fans *are* brutal. Hell, Paterno had FOUR losing seasons in
>>> 5 years earlier this decade, and the crescendo for him to go never
>>> reached the pitch it has at FSU right now, and Bowden hasn't had a
>>> losing record since 1976!
>>
>> Apples/Eggplants
>
> True, but Bobby built FSU. I don't understand why Seminole fans are
> throwing him under a bus.
Spoiled rsfcking brats. This is a disgrace. They went on
something like a 15 year streak with a top 4 final ranking.
> If Florida State can do this to a legend, what the fuck are they going to
> do with a coach who doesn't have 330+ wins?
Heh. I hope Bowden refuses to resign and gets all the wins
he can out of it.
--Tedward
stephenJ
> Ike wrote:
>> stephenJ wrote:
>>> Frisbee� wrote:
>>>> http://i.tsn.com/i/photos/20091006/125933.gif
>>>
>>> LOL ... FSU fans *are* brutal. Hell, Paterno had FOUR losing seasons
>>> in 5 years earlier this decade, and the crescendo for him to go never
>>> reached the pitch it has at FSU right now, and Bowden hasn't had a
>>> losing record since 1976!
>>
>> Apples/Eggplants
>
> True, but Bobby built FSU.
Yeah, but how much credit does he deserve? In the same time period that
FSU went from nothing to a powerhouse, UF and Miami also did the same,
and they didn't have the benefit of being coached by Bobby Bowden.
Makes you think there was something about the state of Florida during
the past 25- 30 years that made this almost inevitable ..
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Kyle T. Jones
> Jefferson N. Glapski wrote:
>> Ike wrote:
>>> stephenJ wrote:
>>>> Frisbee� wrote:
>>>>> http://i.tsn.com/i/photos/20091006/125933.gif
>>>>
>>>> LOL ... FSU fans *are* brutal. Hell, Paterno had FOUR losing seasons
>>>> in 5 years earlier this decade, and the crescendo for him to go
>>>> never reached the pitch it has at FSU right now, and Bowden hasn't
>>>> had a losing record since 1976!
>>>
>>> Apples/Eggplants
>>
>> True, but Bobby built FSU.
>
> Yeah, but how much credit does he deserve? In the same time period that
> FSU went from nothing to a powerhouse, UF and Miami also did the same,
> and they didn't have the benefit of being coached by Bobby Bowden.
>
> Makes you think there was something about the state of Florida during
> the past 25- 30 years that made this almost inevitable ..
>
>
Let me know when Florida and/or Miami finishes in the top-4 for 14
straight seasons... I'm wondering if there have been *any* other
remarkable runs like that in the modern season. I suppose maybe
Nebraska did something similar at some point.
Cheers.
The Ghost of Edward M. Kennedy
Imagine a team making 14 straight FF in basketball. Well, okay,
UCLA is close and has championships instead, but it's only one
team, and in this day and age that would be darn near imposkible.
--Tedward
Frisbee�
Yes, but we're talking pre-Miami/VT football ACC here, not bounceyball ACC.
FSU was so far above everyone else in the conference during that time, it's really not a shock they won all those ACC championships.
unklbob
> Jefferson N. Glapski wrote:
> > Ike wrote:
> >> stephenJ wrote:
> >>> Frisbee® wrote:
> >>>>http://i.tsn.com/i/photos/20091006/125933.gif
>
> >>> LOL ... FSU fans *are* brutal. Hell, Paterno had FOUR losing seasons
> >>> in 5 years earlier this decade, and the crescendo for him to go never
> >>> reached the pitch it has at FSU right now, and Bowden hasn't had a
> >>> losing record since 1976!
>
> >> Apples/Eggplants
>
> > True, but Bobby built FSU.
>
> Yeah, but how much credit does he deserve? In the same time period that
> FSU went from nothing to a powerhouse, UF and Miami also did the same,
> and they didn't have the benefit of being coached by Bobby Bowden.
>
> Makes you think there was something about the state of Florida during
> the past 25- 30 years that made this almost inevitable ..
>
> --
Yeah, its called demographics.
John Rogers
you filthy animal.
I never knowed that the Final Four was a popularity poll.
Damb. You are smrat. I am dumn.
John M. Rogers
AU Class of 1985
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"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really
know about what they imagine they can design."
(Friedrich Hayek)
The Ghost of Edward M. Kennedy
1) FSU's streak predates its ACC membership by a good bit.
2) ACC champs was irrelevant. FSU was an awesome national power,
playing Miami and Florida every year along with anything else.
3) The ACC has gone downhill. Back when FSU was in the ACC and
the streak was going on, more power to 'em.
--Tedward
stephenJ
>> Makes you think there was something about the state of Florida during
>> the past 25- 30 years that made this almost inevitable ..
> Let me know when Florida and/or Miami finishes in the top-4 for 14
> straight seasons... I'm wondering if there have been *any* other
> remarkable runs like that in the modern season. I suppose maybe
> Nebraska did something similar at some point.
14 top-5s is incredible, but the bottom line is that most fans would
rather have Miami's 5 national titles and Florida's 3 national titles
than FSU's 2 national titles plus the 14 year top-5 streak. Also, Bowden
doesn't have a winning record against either: he's 17-17 against UF
and 14-21 against Miami for his career at FSU. So FSU is arguably the
least successful of those 3 programs.
No doubt, coaching does matter and Bowden was, at one time, a great
coach. The Ron Zook's, Galen Hall's, Larry Coker's, and Bobby Bowden of
the past 7-8 years have proven that you can be mediocre or (in the case
of the first 3 guys) even losers at those schools. Nevertheless, the
simultaneous extraordinary success at all 3 schools, with multiple
coaches doing it at Miami and UF, seem to indicate that you don't have
to be a uniquely-talented coach to win huge down there.
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all the markets were full of fish product. After
collectivization, the fish immediately disappeared."
- Aleksandr Vassiliev, Soviet KGB official
JGibson
> > Ike wrote:
> >> stephenJ wrote:
> >>> Frisbee® wrote:
> >>>>http://i.tsn.com/i/photos/20091006/125933.gif
>
> >>> LOL ... FSU fans *are* brutal. Hell, Paterno had FOUR losing seasons
> >>> in 5 years earlier this decade, and the crescendo for him to go never
> >>> reached the pitch it has at FSU right now, and Bowden hasn't had a
> >>> losing record since 1976!
>
> >> Apples/Eggplants
>
> > True, but Bobby built FSU.
>
> Yeah, but how much credit does he deserve? In the same time period that
> FSU went from nothing to a powerhouse, UF and Miami also did the same,
> and they didn't have the benefit of being coached by Bobby Bowden.
>
> Makes you think there was something about the state of Florida during
> the past 25- 30 years that made this almost inevitable ..
During Florida State's domination of CF (1987-2000), the Criminoles
were 11-4-1 against Florida, and 7-7 against Miami. Florida was
nowhere near the powerhouse of the other two during that stretch.
From '93 to '00 F$U was 6-2 against Miami. And 6-3-1 against Florida
in that time.
F$U has clearly dropped in this decade, but it's not clear tat just
being in Florida makes your program dominant.
stephenJ
This reads like hair-splitting. Florida was in the dumps from 86-89
thanks to the 84-85 cheating scandal. FWIW, Miami was also in the dumps
from 95-99 thanks to their 93-94 cheating scandal.
But anyone should agree that Florida under Spurrier had one of the very
toppermost of the poppermost programs during the decade of the 1990s,
which was the bulk of the time of FSU's dominant era. They won 1
national title, they played for another, won multiple SEC and BCS bowl
titles. True, FSU was better that decade, but Florida was obviously a
dominant, top-shelf program as well.
But the general trend is clear: Until the early-mid 1980s, none of those
programs had ever amounted to anything worth mentioning. But since then,
they all rose to dominant positions in the college football firmament.
And yet UF and Miami they didn't have the benefit of Mr. Bowden's
services, which is grounds for doubting just how critical Bowden was to
FSU's rise. Sure, the Zooks and Halls and Cokers proved that winning big
at those schools isnt automatic. Bad coaching can drag them down to
mediocre or even losing level. But the fact that UF and Miami have won
big under multiple coaches seems to indicate that you don't have to be a
genius to do it.
Unless the schools have just been very lucky in attracting multiple
geniuses.
JGibson
How unlikely is that? At Florida State, they had Bowden. At Miami,
they were dominant under Johnson and Erickson, and good under Davis
but not dominant. And Florida was dominant under Spurrier and now
Meyer. All of those coaches other than Bowden also showed they could
coach elsewhere. Johnson was successful in the pros, Erickson had a
great run at Oregon State, and now Davis is really picking up the
North Carolina program. And Spurrier has even turned South Carolina
into a consistent bowl team. And Meyer already led Utah to an
undefeated season with a trashing of Pittsburgh in the Fiesta Bowl.
stephenJ
Except for JJ in the pros, none of those guys were anywhere near as good
at other places as they were at miami/uf.
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- D. Foster Wallace
Kyle T. Jones
Whatever, dewd. Florida was pretty much irrelevant, at least wrt
college football, until the 90s.
Hell, they didn't win their first SEC championship, ever, until 1991.
In Spurrier's only MNC year, they caught several breaks to get a rematch
against the FSU team that had already beat them to finish the regular
season (this, in particular, tasted all irony while I watched Whiny
Urban Meyer campaign against a OSU/Michigan rematch a few years back -
"they already played that game!!!").
I guess my only real point is that Florida wasn't "in the dumps from
86-89" because of any reason... they just hadn't ever been a big time
football program at that point.
Cheers.
stephenJ
well, they won in 84 and 90, but those were stripped for cheating.
In any event, it's undeniable that UF and Miami rose to powerhouse
status during the same time that FSU did.
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We should work first for pacifism, and only later for socialism.
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Kyle T. Jones
I'm not trying to split hairs stephen, and I could be wrong (and what
you mentioned above certainly seems to indicate this possibility). My
impression has always been that FSU rose to prominence first, then
Miami, then Florida. I was unaware of the fact that Florida won the SEC
in 84, regardless of the later scandal or whatever happened.
To be honest, stuff that happened in the 80s is a little before my time,
at least wrt college football.
I'll bow to your greater knowledge base on the subject.
Cheers.
Jefferson N. Glapski
Miami was always a dirty, scummy program.