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Con Reeder, unhyphenated American
May 20, 2013, 7:18:04 PM5/20/13
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This is a fellow who usually calls the Democrats and Republicans
the "Pepsi and Coke parties". As the Obama years have gone by, I have
watched him, like me, lose patience with the tactics of the left:
By the way, a bit off-topic, but this paragraph is a textbook example
of tricks editorial writers use
The IRS scandal has sparked bipartisan outrage that
should require a bipartisan solution. The director
who oversaw this was a Bush appointee who was
confirmed by a Democratic Congress. Even Watergate
reporter Carl Bernstein says he doubts very much that
Obama was involved
Each sentence here as a master-stroke of the spinmeister's pen trying
to defend her guy in the White House.
1. Note the effort in the first sentence to shift this to a
bipartisan issue. Both sides are upset. It is a good government
issue. The implication we are supposed to draw is that this no
longer can be a critique of this particular administration. It
has transcended. This is how red-blue team political invective
works. If the outrage is coming from just one party, it should
not stick to the President because because it is petty
partisanship. If it comes from both sides, it should not stick
because it is a larger issue for all of us that transcends this
particular Administration. In fact, through the article, she
actually makes both arguments simultaneously. Brilliant!
2. It's Bush's fault. This is just so well-worn that Obama
officials simply cannot help themselves. How can a man
the Left thought to be so stupid and incompetent still
be directing affairs four and half years after he left
the building?
3. This one is really funny. Is, as implied by the structure
of this sentence and the world "even", Carl Bernstein the
least likely imaginable person to excuse Obama of such a
charge? I think I am going to start writing this way. Even
Warren Meyer thinks climate change has been exaggerated.
Even Kim Kardashian thinks its important to get a lot of
PR. Even Tia Carrere says its OK to make a bad movie once
in a while. Hey, this is fun.
http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2013/05/incivility-defined-it-means-criticizing-obama.html
or
http://bit.ly/13GtVPM
--
Being against torture ought to be sort of a bipartisan thing.
-- Karl Lehenbauer
the "Pepsi and Coke parties". As the Obama years have gone by, I have
watched him, like me, lose patience with the tactics of the left:
By the way, a bit off-topic, but this paragraph is a textbook example
of tricks editorial writers use
The IRS scandal has sparked bipartisan outrage that
should require a bipartisan solution. The director
who oversaw this was a Bush appointee who was
confirmed by a Democratic Congress. Even Watergate
reporter Carl Bernstein says he doubts very much that
Obama was involved
Each sentence here as a master-stroke of the spinmeister's pen trying
to defend her guy in the White House.
1. Note the effort in the first sentence to shift this to a
bipartisan issue. Both sides are upset. It is a good government
issue. The implication we are supposed to draw is that this no
longer can be a critique of this particular administration. It
has transcended. This is how red-blue team political invective
works. If the outrage is coming from just one party, it should
not stick to the President because because it is petty
partisanship. If it comes from both sides, it should not stick
because it is a larger issue for all of us that transcends this
particular Administration. In fact, through the article, she
actually makes both arguments simultaneously. Brilliant!
2. It's Bush's fault. This is just so well-worn that Obama
officials simply cannot help themselves. How can a man
the Left thought to be so stupid and incompetent still
be directing affairs four and half years after he left
the building?
3. This one is really funny. Is, as implied by the structure
of this sentence and the world "even", Carl Bernstein the
least likely imaginable person to excuse Obama of such a
charge? I think I am going to start writing this way. Even
Warren Meyer thinks climate change has been exaggerated.
Even Kim Kardashian thinks its important to get a lot of
PR. Even Tia Carrere says its OK to make a bad movie once
in a while. Hey, this is fun.
http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2013/05/incivility-defined-it-means-criticizing-obama.html
or
http://bit.ly/13GtVPM
--
Being against torture ought to be sort of a bipartisan thing.
-- Karl Lehenbauer
Dennis J
May 20, 2013, 7:52:00 PM5/20/13
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On Mon, 20 May 2013 18:18:04 -0500, "Con Reeder, unhyphenated
American" <cons...@bill.perusion.com> wrote:
in2002 it was defined as being Anti-Bush, they even went as far as to
say to oppose the GOP policies was Un-American...
--
"Beware of the Military-Industrial Complex!!" D.D.E
"iPOD -- I Prefer Other Devices"
"Education is the progressive discovery of our own Ignorance" Will Durant
"One can't have a sense of perspective without a sense of Humor" -- Wayne Thiboux
"the Glass is not only half full, it has been delicious so far!!" -- ME
To reply, SCRAPE off the end bits.
American" <cons...@bill.perusion.com> wrote:
in2002 it was defined as being Anti-Bush, they even went as far as to
say to oppose the GOP policies was Un-American...
--
"Beware of the Military-Industrial Complex!!" D.D.E
"iPOD -- I Prefer Other Devices"
"Education is the progressive discovery of our own Ignorance" Will Durant
"One can't have a sense of perspective without a sense of Humor" -- Wayne Thiboux
"the Glass is not only half full, it has been delicious so far!!" -- ME
To reply, SCRAPE off the end bits.
xyzzy
May 20, 2013, 8:35:17 PM5/20/13
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On May 20, 7:52 pm, Dennis J <drjud...@frontier.SCRAPE.COM> wrote:
> On Mon, 20 May 2013 18:18:04 -0500, "Con Reeder, unhyphenatedAmerican" <consta...@bill.perusion.com> wrote:
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> in2002 it was defined as being Anti-Bush, they even went as far as to
> say to oppose the GOP policies was Un-American...
How soon they forget
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> in2002 it was defined as being Anti-Bush, they even went as far as to
> say to oppose the GOP policies was Un-American...
Dennis J
May 20, 2013, 9:29:01 PM5/20/13
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On Mon, 20 May 2013 17:35:17 -0700 (PDT), xyzzy <xyzzy...@gmail.com>
wrote:
what comes around goes around...
or....
everything old is new again.
wrote:
or....
everything old is new again.
Con Reeder, unhyphenated American
May 20, 2013, 10:19:51 PM5/20/13
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On 2013-05-21, xyzzy <xyzzy...@gmail.com> wrote:
We certainly do forget when it's just vague accusations you are tossing
about -- care to cite something in similar detail as to what I posted?
--
An amateur practices until he gets it right. A pro
practices until he can't get it wrong. -- unknown
about -- care to cite something in similar detail as to what I posted?
--
An amateur practices until he gets it right. A pro
practices until he can't get it wrong. -- unknown
Eric Ramon
May 20, 2013, 11:24:20 PM5/20/13
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On May 20, 7:19 pm, "Con Reeder, unhyphenated American"
<consta...@bill.perusion.com> wrote:
the enemy".
<consta...@bill.perusion.com> wrote:
> On 2013-05-21, xyzzy <xyzzy.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > On May 20, 7:52?pm, Dennis J <drjud...@frontier.SCRAPE.COM> wrote:
> >> On Mon, 20 May 2013 18:18:04 -0500, "Con Reeder, unhyphenatedAmerican" <consta...@bill.perusion.com> wrote:
>
> >> in2002 it was defined as being Anti-Bush, they even went as far as to
> >> say to oppose the GOP policies was Un-American...
>
> > How soon they forget
>
> We certainly do forget when it's just vague accusations you are tossing
> about -- care to cite something in similar detail as to what I posted?
>
it was more like any opposition to Bush's policies was "emboldening
>
> > On May 20, 7:52?pm, Dennis J <drjud...@frontier.SCRAPE.COM> wrote:
> >> On Mon, 20 May 2013 18:18:04 -0500, "Con Reeder, unhyphenatedAmerican" <consta...@bill.perusion.com> wrote:
>
> >> in2002 it was defined as being Anti-Bush, they even went as far as to
> >> say to oppose the GOP policies was Un-American...
>
> > How soon they forget
>
> We certainly do forget when it's just vague accusations you are tossing
> about -- care to cite something in similar detail as to what I posted?
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the enemy".
Con Reeder, unhyphenated American
May 21, 2013, 7:22:51 AM5/21/13
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On 2013-05-21, Eric Ramon <ramon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 20, 7:19?pm, "Con Reeder, unhyphenated American"
Do you imagine that if you add enough vague accusations together, they
equal one detailed critique?
--
Alas for those who never sing, but die with all their music in them.
-- Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.
> On May 20, 7:19?pm, "Con Reeder, unhyphenated American"
equal one detailed critique?
--
Alas for those who never sing, but die with all their music in them.
-- Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.
xyzzy
May 21, 2013, 12:48:16 PM5/21/13
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On May 21, 7:22 am, "Con Reeder, unhyphenated American"
<consta...@bill.perusion.com> wrote:
<consta...@bill.perusion.com> wrote:
> On 2013-05-21, Eric Ramon <ramon.e...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > On May 20, 7:19?pm, "Con Reeder, unhyphenated American"
> ><consta...@bill.perusion.com> wrote:
> >> On 2013-05-21, xyzzy <xyzzy.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> > On May 20, 7:52?pm, Dennis J <drjud...@frontier.SCRAPE.COM> wrote:
> >> >> On Mon, 20 May 2013 18:18:04 -0500, "Con Reeder, unhyphenatedAmerican" <consta...@bill.perusion.com> wrote:
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> >> >> in2002 it was defined as being Anti-Bush, they even went as far as to
> >> >> say to oppose the GOP policies was Un-American...
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> >> > How soon they forget
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> >> We certainly do forget when it's just vague accusations you are tossing
> >> about -- care to cite something in similar detail as to what I posted?
>
> > it was more like any opposition to Bush's policies was "emboldening
> > the enemy".
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> Do you imagine that if you add enough vague accusations together, they
> equal one detailed critique?
http://www.brendan-nyhan.com/blog/gop-dissent-attacks.html
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> > On May 20, 7:19?pm, "Con Reeder, unhyphenated American"
> ><consta...@bill.perusion.com> wrote:
> >> On 2013-05-21, xyzzy <xyzzy.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> > On May 20, 7:52?pm, Dennis J <drjud...@frontier.SCRAPE.COM> wrote:
> >> >> On Mon, 20 May 2013 18:18:04 -0500, "Con Reeder, unhyphenatedAmerican" <consta...@bill.perusion.com> wrote:
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> >> >> in2002 it was defined as being Anti-Bush, they even went as far as to
> >> >> say to oppose the GOP policies was Un-American...
>
> >> > How soon they forget
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> >> We certainly do forget when it's just vague accusations you are tossing
> >> about -- care to cite something in similar detail as to what I posted?
>
> > it was more like any opposition to Bush's policies was "emboldening
> > the enemy".
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> Do you imagine that if you add enough vague accusations together, they
> equal one detailed critique?
CheeseHusker dos
May 21, 2013, 12:55:22 PM5/21/13
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On May 20, 6:52 pm, Dennis J <drjud...@frontier.SCRAPE.COM> wrote:
Same horse, different color
Dissent is only cool when against those we donut like
> On Mon, 20 May 2013 18:18:04 -0500, "Con Reeder, unhyphenatedAmerican" <consta...@bill.perusion.com> wrote:
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> in2002 it was defined as being Anti-Bush, they even went as far as to
> say to oppose the GOP policies was Un-American...
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Yup
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> in2002 it was defined as being Anti-Bush, they even went as far as to
> say to oppose the GOP policies was Un-American...
> --
Same horse, different color
Dissent is only cool when against those we donut like
Con Reeder, unhyphenated American
May 21, 2013, 1:48:03 PM5/21/13
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On 2013-05-21, xyzzy <xyzzy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 21, 7:22?am, "Con Reeder, unhyphenated American"
--
Courage is fear holding on a minute longer.
-- General George S. Patton
Dennis J
May 21, 2013, 2:53:32 PM5/21/13
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On Tue, 21 May 2013 06:22:51 -0500, "Con Reeder, unhyphenated
American" <cons...@bill.perusion.com> wrote:
>On 2013-05-21, Eric Ramon <ramon...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On May 20, 7:19?pm, "Con Reeder, unhyphenated American"
>><consta...@bill.perusion.com> wrote:
>>> On 2013-05-21, xyzzy <xyzzy.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> > On May 20, 7:52?pm, Dennis J <drjud...@frontier.SCRAPE.COM> wrote:
>>> >> On Mon, 20 May 2013 18:18:04 -0500, "Con Reeder, unhyphenatedAmerican" <consta...@bill.perusion.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >> in2002 it was defined as being Anti-Bush, they even went as far as to
>>> >> say to oppose the GOP policies was Un-American...
>>>
>>> > How soon they forget
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>>> We certainly do forget when it's just vague accusations you are tossing
>>> about -- care to cite something in similar detail as to what I posted?
>>>
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>> it was more like any opposition to Bush's policies was "emboldening
>> the enemy".
>
>Do you imagine that if you add enough vague accusations together, they
>equal one detailed critique?
nah it's called trying to nail jelly to a wall.... IIRC, T. Roosevelt
American" <cons...@bill.perusion.com> wrote:
>On 2013-05-21, Eric Ramon <ramon...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On May 20, 7:19?pm, "Con Reeder, unhyphenated American"
>><consta...@bill.perusion.com> wrote:
>>> On 2013-05-21, xyzzy <xyzzy.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > On May 20, 7:52?pm, Dennis J <drjud...@frontier.SCRAPE.COM> wrote:
>>> >> On Mon, 20 May 2013 18:18:04 -0500, "Con Reeder, unhyphenatedAmerican" <consta...@bill.perusion.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >> in2002 it was defined as being Anti-Bush, they even went as far as to
>>> >> say to oppose the GOP policies was Un-American...
>>>
>>> > How soon they forget
>>>
>>> We certainly do forget when it's just vague accusations you are tossing
>>> about -- care to cite something in similar detail as to what I posted?
>>>
>>
>> it was more like any opposition to Bush's policies was "emboldening
>> the enemy".
>
>Do you imagine that if you add enough vague accusations together, they
>equal one detailed critique?
used that one...
xyzzy
May 21, 2013, 2:58:55 PM5/21/13
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On May 21, 1:48 pm, "Con Reeder, unhyphenated American"
correct.
<consta...@bill.perusion.com> wrote:
> On 2013-05-21, xyzzy <xyzzy.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > On May 21, 7:22?am, "Con Reeder, unhyphenated American"
> ><consta...@bill.perusion.com> wrote:
> >> On 2013-05-21, Eric Ramon <ramon.e...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > On May 20, 7:19?pm, "Con Reeder, unhyphenated American"
> >> ><consta...@bill.perusion.com> wrote:
> >> >> On 2013-05-21, xyzzy <xyzzy.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> >> > On May 20, 7:52?pm, Dennis J <drjud...@frontier.SCRAPE.COM> wrote:
> >> >> >> On Mon, 20 May 2013 18:18:04 -0500, "Con Reeder, unhyphenatedAmerican" <consta...@bill.perusion.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> in2002 it was defined as being Anti-Bush, they even went as far as to
> >> >> >> say to oppose the GOP policies was Un-American...
>
> >> >> > How soon they forget
>
> >> >> We certainly do forget when it's just vague accusations you are tossing
> >> >> about -- care to cite something in similar detail as to what I posted?
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> >> > it was more like
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> On 2013-05-21, xyzzy <xyzzy.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > On May 21, 7:22?am, "Con Reeder, unhyphenated American"
> ><consta...@bill.perusion.com> wrote:
> >> On 2013-05-21, Eric Ramon <ramon.e...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > On May 20, 7:19?pm, "Con Reeder, unhyphenated American"
> >> ><consta...@bill.perusion.com> wrote:
> >> >> On 2013-05-21, xyzzy <xyzzy.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> >> > On May 20, 7:52?pm, Dennis J <drjud...@frontier.SCRAPE.COM> wrote:
> >> >> >> On Mon, 20 May 2013 18:18:04 -0500, "Con Reeder, unhyphenatedAmerican" <consta...@bill.perusion.com> wrote:
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> >> >> >> in2002 it was defined as being Anti-Bush, they even went as far as to
> >> >> >> say to oppose the GOP policies was Un-American...
>
> >> >> > How soon they forget
>
> >> >> We certainly do forget when it's just vague accusations you are tossing
> >> >> about -- care to cite something in similar detail as to what I posted?
>
> >> > it was more like
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> >> Do you imagine that if you add enough vague accusations together, they
> >> equal one detailed critique?
>
> >http://www.brendan-nyhan.com/blog/gop-dissent-attacks.html
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> I fail to see how this is equivalent,
Of course you do. Because it was "your side" doing it, it was
> >> equal one detailed critique?
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> >http://www.brendan-nyhan.com/blog/gop-dissent-attacks.html
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> I fail to see how this is equivalent,
correct.
Con Reeder, unhyphenated American
May 21, 2013, 3:53:29 PM5/21/13
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On 2013-05-21, xyzzy <xyzzy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 21, 1:48?pm, "Con Reeder, unhyphenated American"
in that the argued result would specifically and logically follow from
the actions. To wit, the playing of politics with regard to the war on
terror would "embolden the enemy" if you will. I don't think it had
great effect, nor that it is very valid, but it is specific to the
issue and is not generic to any discourse.
In the case of the Dem argument, they are accusing someone of the very
thing that they are doing, i.e. playing politics, and the only accused
effect is on the very discourse they are employing in their attack.
And it is not specific to one issue, it is generically defined as any
criticism of the administration at all on a broad range of issues.
There is a difference.
--
Making the simple complex, that is easy -- anyone can do that.
But to make the complex simple, awesomely simple, that is
true creativity. -- Charles Mingus
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