are the LSU women's gymnastics team supposed to be......

[michael anderson]

student-athletes or aspiring soft core porn pinups?

And not just the one girl who has like 10 million followers and makes several million a year, but like 3 or more of the team. Look them up....

Everyone is bashing these so called immature LSU frat boys for making a mockery of a gymnastics meet, but shouldn't some of the blame be with 'lizzie' and one or two of the other girls as well? I mean if you advertise yourself in highly sexually charged poses wearing basically nothing, isn't it to be expected that the people your selling yourself to that way will respond accordingly?

[The NOTBCS Guy]

> student-athletes or aspiring soft core porn pinups?
> And not just the one girl who has like 10 million followers and makes several million a year, but like 3 or more of the team. Look them up....

I can't speak for the others, but I have a feeling Dunne knows why she's raking in the NIL money and playing to her fanbase accordingly.

> Everyone is bashing these so called immature LSU frat boys for making a mockery of a gymnastics meet

Given the fact that the meet was in Provo, I don't think the problems were caused mainly by anybody from LSU, and I also doubt it was necessarily "frat boys," unless you use the phrase to refer to their mentality (and who knows how many of her followers are even in college yet?).
Also, this isn't football, where the opposing fans are pretty much expected to shout out a QB's signals, or basketball, where the same goes with free throw shooters. Gymnastics has enough problems with noise (mainly, someone is in the middle of a routine when someone else's routine ends and there's sudden applause) without fans disrupting the meet with calls for an athlete who wasn't going to compete because she was injured.
Besides, I think the main problem wasn't inside; it was a group of men waiting outside for her after the meet ended.

>I mean if you advertise yourself in highly sexually charged poses wearing basically nothing, isn't it to be expected that the people your selling yourself to that way will respond accordingly?

You are coming across like someone accused of rape whose defense is, "But...but...look at how she is dressed!"
And, unfortunately, you caught me on one of my grammar cop days; it's "you're selling yourself."

Besides, whatever she's doing works; it got someone who once said that he wasn't interested in watching women's sports because they were "women and lesbians" interested in a women's sport...

[Ted Heise]

IAWTP

--
Ted Heise <the...@panix.com> West Lafayette, IN, USA

[michael anderson]

On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 2:40:32 PM UTC-6, The NOTBCS Guy wrote:
> > student-athletes or aspiring soft core porn pinups?
> > And not just the one girl who has like 10 million followers and makes several million a year, but like 3 or more of the team. Look them up....
> I can't speak for the others, but I have a feeling Dunne knows why she's raking in the NIL money and playing to her fanbase accordingly.
> > Everyone is bashing these so called immature LSU frat boys for making a mockery of a gymnastics meet
> Given the fact that the meet was in Provo, I don't think the problems were caused mainly by anybody from LSU, and I also doubt it was necessarily "frat boys," unless you use the phrase to refer to their mentality (and who knows how many of her followers are even in college yet?).
> Also, this isn't football, where the opposing fans are pretty much expected to shout out a QB's signals, or basketball, where the same goes with free throw shooters. Gymnastics has enough problems with noise (mainly, someone is in the middle of a routine when someone else's routine ends and there's sudden applause) without fans disrupting the meet with calls for an athlete who wasn't going to compete because she was injured.
> Besides, I think the main problem wasn't inside; it was a group of men waiting outside for her after the meet ended.
> >I mean if you advertise yourself in highly sexually charged poses wearing basically nothing, isn't it to be expected that the people your selling yourself to that way will respond accordingly?
> You are coming across like someone accused of rape whose defense is, "But...but...look at how she is dressed!"

the main difference is that rape is a terrible act that cannot be justified away by such factors. How you come across to a young woman in general and how they are going to perceive they are treated? Absolutely that is going to dependent on other factors....

And from what I can tell Dunne and the other couple LSU gymnasts who are very photogenic and post skimpy pics on social media weren't really complaining about it much. It was more the so called adults in the lamestream sports media that was making a joke of themselves(as usual)

[The NOTBCS Guy]

> And from what I can tell Dunne and the other couple LSU gymnasts who are very photogenic and post skimpy pics on social media weren't really complaining about it much. It was more the so called adults in the lamestream sports media that was making a joke of themselves(as usual)

Depends on what you mean by "complaining about it." The only problem Dunne seems to have with it is, it's affecting her teammates - and remember that, when it comes down to it, gymnastics is a team sport. Well, women's gymnastics, anyway; for some strange reason, the NCAA still invites 12 teams to the men's championships, even though, in 2022, only 13 schools even had men's gymnastics (the current membership list shows 15 - and that's not just in Division I).

[TE]

On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 3:40:32 PM UTC-5, The NOTBCS Guy wrote:

<snip>

> You are coming across like someone accused of rape whose defense is, "But...but...look at how
> she is dressed!" And, unfortunately, you caught me on one of my grammar cop days; it's "you're
> selling yourself."
>
> Besides, whatever she's doing works; it got someone who once said that he wasn't interested in
> watching women's sports because they were "women and lesbians" interested in a women's sport...

She produces erections. Nobody cares about women's sports, with the possible
exception of tennis, but they do care about attractive women.

She gets shit from lesbians because she's a prime example of feminine beauty and
a decent athlete. A sexualized female athlete, like a beautiful CEO or politician upsets
liberal puritanism.

-TE

[unclejr]

Only you could make this issue political.

[TE]

And here I thought I've been pretty good about that.

Anyway, the math still adds-up. Olivia Dunne creates millions of boners, Tara Vanderveer
is an oh-fer. 'Tara' .... heh... Don't worry, the Olivia Dunnes of the world are fading, the
Tara Vanderveer's are the future.

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/legendary-basketball-coach-tara-vanderveer-takes-issue-how-popular-gymnast-olivia-dunne-earns-nil-deals

-TE

[michael anderson]

On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 9:33:30 PM UTC-6, TE wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 3:40:32 PM UTC-5, The NOTBCS Guy wrote:
>
> <snip>
> > You are coming across like someone accused of rape whose defense is, "But...but...look at how
> > she is dressed!" And, unfortunately, you caught me on one of my grammar cop days; it's "you're
> > selling yourself."
> >
> > Besides, whatever she's doing works; it got someone who once said that he wasn't interested in
> > watching women's sports because they were "women and lesbians" interested in a women's sport...
> She produces erections. Nobody cares about women's sports

to be fair, very few people care about most men's sports either. And I'm all for men and women to continue to be able to play
that generate little interest. Nobody cares about a lot of things, but for hundreds of thousands of male and female athletes across the country involved in those sports, they are very important to them.

What I do get irritated by is the incessant whining by many in the media and people like Tara Vanderveer about how
certain women's sports aren't being catered to in (mostly material) ways. Women's college basketball is the best example of this.

Because ultimately it's not fair to most of the women's college basketball players themselves due to it creating a backlash. For the most part nobody has anything against these student athletes. But when we are constantly bombarded with the Christine Brennan's of the world telling us complete nonsense, well......

[The NOTBCS Guy]

> > > Besides, whatever she's doing works; it got someone who once said that he wasn't interested in
> > > watching women's sports because they were "women and lesbians" interested in a women's sport...
> > She produces erections. Nobody cares about women's sports

I assume he meant, "Nobody really cares about college women's gymnastics," and with the possible exception of the two HBCUs (both NAIA schools) that just started programs, that's pretty much right. The thing with college women's gymnastics is, most of the athletes are past the sport's prime age. If it really mattered, the NCAA wouldn't still be using the old "perfect 10" scoring system, which it doesn't use for the men as most of them do compete at the international level.

> What I do get irritated by is the incessant whining by many in the media and people like Tara Vanderveer about how
> certain women's sports aren't being catered to in (mostly material) ways. Women's college basketball is the best example of this.

She has a point. Did you see the tournament in Vegas where some of the top women's teams in the country played in hotel ballrooms, as if it was some sort of club tournament? (What, was the gymnasium at College of Southern Nevada booked that weekend?) All she, and pretty much everybody else bringing this up, wants is for the women to be able to practice and play under the same conditions as men. I'm not saying that they should make the first two rounds of the women's tournament neutral sites - in fact, one of the smartest things the NCAA ever did was to realize after it tried this for a couple of years that it was a complete mistake, and not only did it go back to the "first weekend is on the highest seed's home court" policy, but it went one step further and said, "No, we're not going to select a neutral city for the First Four like we do for the men with Dayton; each First Four game will be played on the same court where the winner would play its first round game."
Then again, I'd like to see a comparison between the training/practice areas for the Division I women's tournament and the Division II and III men's tournaments.

> For the most part nobody has anything against these student athletes. But when we are constantly bombarded with the Christine Brennan's of the world telling us complete nonsense, well......

The problem is, Brennan makes the occasional point. Okay, it's buried underneath stuff like, "Shame on CBS for saying that Rutgers's men's tournament win in 2021 was the school's first win in the tournament since 1983, when it had 36 wins in the women's tournament since then" (er, when talking about the men's tournament, "the tournament" means just the men), and one of the things she did call for actually happened (starting in 2022, the men's Final Four is called the "Men's Final Four" (not just the "Final Four"), and the NCAA did the same thing with the "Men's Frozen Four" and the "Men's College World Series").

[Michael Falkner]

On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 11:40:12 AM UTC-8, miande...@gmail.com wrote:
> student-athletes or aspiring soft core porn pinups?

You just answered the question as to why -- IN TRUTH -- no one has interest in the reality of women's sports, and they will die once the good athletes and the like are out of the picture.

Mike

[Michael Falkner]

On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 5:16:32 PM UTC-8, miande...@gmail.com wrote:

> the main difference is that rape is a terrible act that cannot be justified away by such factors. How you come across to a young woman in general and how they are going to perceive they are treated? Absolutely that is going to dependent on other factors....

A lie in both counts.

The only reason a person gets prosecuted for rape in this country anymore is because he is not important enough, she is, or both.

Mike

[The NOTBCS Guy]

> You just answered the question as to why -- IN TRUTH -- no one has interest in the reality of women's sports, and they will die once the good athletes and the like are out of the picture.

Pretty much everybody who is, or has a daughter that is, involved in pre-collegiate club girls' volleyball is laughing at you right now.

And if there was a requirement that only "the good athletes" compete, then explain how any Division II or III sports - men's or women's - exist.

[Michael Falkner]

On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 11:32:22 AM UTC-8, The NOTBCS Guy wrote:
> > You just answered the question as to why -- IN TRUTH -- no one has interest in the reality of women's sports, and they will die once the good athletes and the like are out of the picture.

> Pretty much everybody who is, or has a daughter that is, involved in pre-collegiate club girls' volleyball is laughing at you right now.

The only interest many have is to see who they can fuck/rape after the match. Stop it.

> And if there was a requirement that only "the good athletes" compete, then explain how any Division II or III sports - men's or women's - exist.

Give that time too.

Take the transgenders and the high-testosterone women out of sports, and the quality PLUMMETS.

Mike

[michael anderson]

On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 10:33:05 AM UTC-6, The NOTBCS Guy wrote:
> > > > Besides, whatever she's doing works; it got someone who once said that he wasn't interested in
> > > > watching women's sports because they were "women and lesbians" interested in a women's sport...
> > > She produces erections. Nobody cares about women's sports
> I assume he meant, "Nobody really cares about college women's gymnastics," and with the possible exception of the two HBCUs (both NAIA schools) that just started programs, that's pretty much right.

but college women's gymnastics meets at many schools(especially here in the sec) draw pretty decent crowds. So is the interest(outside of sexpots like dunne) super high? No, but it's on a different level at many schools in terms of interest than the least watched/attended sports.

> > certain women's sports aren't being catered to in (mostly material) ways. Women's college basketball is the best example of this.
> She has a point. Did you see the tournament in Vegas where some of the top women's teams in the country played in hotel ballrooms, as if it was some sort of club tournament?

yes, I heard about it. There was nothing 'wrong' about that. The accomodations and setting of that tournament was of poor quality because it was not a highly watched event that had a lot of eyeballs or brought in revenue. So in a situation like that, what do you expect? If it would have, then there would be better bids for such things and the tourney and teams has more and better choices......that's just the way things work. nothing wrong or unfair about it at all.

> (What, was the gymnasium at College of Southern Nevada booked that weekend?) All she, and pretty much everybody else bringing this >up, wants is for the women to be able to practice and play under the same conditions as men.

but that wouldn't make any sense at all. mens college basketball is 'bigger' in terms of revenue and fan support than women's college basketball, so of course the conditions are going to be different. Just like the conditions of a mlb team(stadiums, clubhouses, travel, etc) are much different than a single A team. For the same reasons......sheeesh

[Michael Falkner]

On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 9:38:38 PM UTC-8, miande...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 10:33:05 AM UTC-6, The NOTBCS Guy wrote:
> > > > > Besides, whatever she's doing works; it got someone who once said that he wasn't interested in
> > > > > watching women's sports because they were "women and lesbians" interested in a women's sport...
> > > > She produces erections. Nobody cares about women's sports
> > I assume he meant, "Nobody really cares about college women's gymnastics," and with the possible exception of the two HBCUs (both NAIA schools) that just started programs, that's pretty much right.
> but college women's gymnastics meets at many schools(especially here in the sec) draw pretty decent crowds. So is the interest(outside of sexpots like dunne) super high? No, but it's on a different level at many schools in terms of interest than the least watched/attended sports.

Scantily clad girls will do that.

> > > certain women's sports aren't being catered to in (mostly material) ways. Women's college basketball is the best example of this.
> > She has a point. Did you see the tournament in Vegas where some of the top women's teams in the country played in hotel ballrooms, as if it was some sort of club tournament?
> yes, I heard about it. There was nothing 'wrong' about that. The accomodations and setting of that tournament was of poor quality because it was not a highly watched event that had a lot of eyeballs or brought in revenue. So in a situation like that, what do you expect? If it would have, then there would be better bids for such things and the tourney and teams has more and better choices......that's just the way things work. nothing wrong or unfair about it at all.

Because NO. ONE. CARES.

You take the transgenders and the high-testosterone females out and try to make it about feminine women, athletic achievement on the female side ENDS. And they know it and they'll put it at the feet of the transgenders when it is clear to a five-year-old that the only reason most schools have women's sports is because the law forces them to to allow them to have the football and men's basketball team.

> > (What, was the gymnasium at College of Southern Nevada booked that weekend?) All she, and pretty much everybody else bringing this >up, wants is for the women to be able to practice and play under the same conditions as men.
> but that wouldn't make any sense at all. mens college basketball is 'bigger' in terms of revenue and fan support than women's college basketball, so of course the conditions are going to be different. Just like the conditions of a mlb team(stadiums, clubhouses, travel, etc) are much different than a single A team. For the same reasons......sheeesh

But if you want to have sports at any discernible level, there is a minimum modicum of conditions which must be met as a function of having the competition or basic human decency. Which is one of the reasons, to dovetail off of one of your examples, Manfred has been trying to kill Minor League Baseball.

Mike

[michael anderson]

lol....the conditions at that tournament certainly met "basic human decency".....sheeesh.

The activists and women's basketball supporters because the conditions and amenities at that and other tournament were in line with and appropriate for
an event with that sort of draw, revenue, interest, etc.....they want the women's final four to be treated like the men's final four with respect to those things. But why in the world should that be the
case?

[Michael Falkner]

On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 9:48:32 AM UTC-8, miande...@gmail.com wrote:

> The activists and women's basketball supporters because the conditions and amenities at that and other tournament were in line with and appropriate for
> an event with that sort of draw, revenue, interest, etc.....they want the women's final four to be treated like the men's final four with respect to those things. But why in the world should that be the
> case?

Then don't hold the damn tournament. And you give the greatest advocacy for the abolition of women's sports except for jack-off and rape material.

Why in the world should that be the case? Title IX, the same reason women's sports exist at many schools.

At all.

Mike

[TE]

On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 1:40:32 PM UTC-5, Michael Falkner wrote:

> Then don't hold the damn tournament. And you give the greatest advocacy for the abolition of women's sports except for jack-off and rape material.
>
> Why in the world should that be the case? Title IX, the same reason women's sports exist at many schools.
>
> At all.

Title IX is interpreted incorrectly on purpose. It does not say that men and women
should have equal representation , it states that men and women should have equal
opportunity to engage in athletics, and other educational activities. If a school's
teams are 100% male or 100% female it doesn't prove that someone is being denied
an opportunity.

However, it is much easier for school to just have it 50/50. Title IX, as it is enforced,
disadvantages men to a great degree. Furthermore, if the Title IX slappies really
believed that they have it right, college students wouldn't be 60/40 female/male.

-TE

> Mike

[The NOTBCS Guy]

> Title IX is interpreted incorrectly on purpose. It does not say that men and women
> should have equal representation

Last time I looked, the NCAA applies something called the "three-prong test." A school has to do one of three things:
1. Have the fraction of athletes that are female be within 5% of the fraction of the students at that school that are male. For example, if 55% of the students at a school are female, then between 50% and 60% of the athletes need to be female. (Yes, a school can be cited for not having enough male athletes. It's surprisingly easy to do at a school without football.) Note that multi-sport athletes are counted once for each sport, which, depending on how this is interpreted, may be good for the men, as a woman who plays both indoor and beach volleyball might be counted twice.
2. Show "a history and ongoing pattern of adding participation opportunities for women and improving the already existing opportunities."
3. Show that pretty much every woman that wants to participate in sports, does. Some schools caught some flak when they sent each woman student a card asking if they expressed interest in participating in sports, and treating all non-returned cards as "no" answers.

>If a school's teams are 100% male or 100% female it doesn't prove that someone is being denied an opportunity.

It does if someone from the other sex wanted to be on the team. Remember, "Is it our fault if the best players all happen to be men?" is pretty much the primary reason Title IX exists (in terms of athletics) in the first place - and as long as people make statements like that, it is not only not going anywhere anytime soon, but will be enforced stronger.

> Title IX, as it is enforced, disadvantages men to a great degree.

Especially in "minor" sports that end up getting dropped because the school can't afford to fund them because they have to balance the funding between the football and men's basketball teams (which are necessary to bring in necessary revenues) and women's sports. This has been a known problem for decades.

You want to take big money football and men's basketball out of the Title IX equation? I've said how to do it for years - make a clean break from the schools themselves, except for licensing the names/colors/mascots and renting out the stadiums. Nobody REALLY cares how many players on Alabama's, or Ohio State's, or USC's, football teams actually attend classes at those schools.

[Michael Falkner]

On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 4:56:02 PM UTC-8, TE wrote:

> However, it is much easier for school to just have it 50/50. Title IX, as it is enforced,
> disadvantages men to a great degree. Furthermore, if the Title IX slappies really
> believed that they have it right, college students wouldn't be 60/40 female/male.

It also disadvantages men, righties believe, by having non-competitive women's sports which would not exist otherwise.

Mike

[TE]

It's not just 'righties' or a 'belief.' It's one of those truths we all know like men can't
give birth and Hannah Gadsby isn't funny. We all know it's true, it's just some can't
admit it.

-TE

> Mike

[RoddyMcCorley]

RESPECT?

--
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In
practice, there is." Ruben Goldberg

[Michael Falkner]

On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 6:39:42 PM UTC-8, TE wrote:

> It's not just 'righties' or a 'belief.' It's one of those truths we all know like men can't
> give birth and Hannah Gadsby isn't funny. We all know it's true, it's just some can't
> admit it.

So the only purpose of a woman is to have babies, fuck you, and get you a sammich...

Without transgender athletes and high-testosterone women (you know, the ones you call "horse-faced lesbians"), there are very few (I won't quite say none, but not nearly enough to save women's sports) quality female athletes.

Mike

[Michael Falkner]

On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 9:43:41 PM UTC-8, RoddyMcCorley wrote:

> RESPECT?

You do realize what you're dealing with here -- and far more than just mia.

Mike

[TE]

On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 4:05:04 AM UTC-5, Michael Falkner wrote:
> On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 6:39:42 PM UTC-8, TE wrote:
>
> > It's not just 'righties' or a 'belief.' It's one of those truths we all know like men can't
> > give birth and Hannah Gadsby isn't funny. We all know it's true, it's just some can't
> > admit it.

> So the only purpose of a woman is to have babies, fuck you, and get you a sammich...

Well, yeah. Except for the sandwich part. Women exist to give birth, men exist to
impregnant them.

> Without transgender athletes and high-testosterone women (you know, the ones you
> call "horse-faced lesbians"), there are very few (I won't quite say none, but not nearly
> enough to save women's sports) quality female athletes.

A horse-faced lesbian walks into a bar. The bartender asks, "why the long face?"

'High-testosterone' women are actually men, according to the new science [sic].

I bet my wife is a better athlete than you.

-TE

> Mike

[Michael Falkner]

On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 8:45:19 PM UTC-8, TE wrote:
> On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 4:05:04 AM UTC-5, Michael Falkner wrote:

> > So the only purpose of a woman is to have babies, fuck you, and get you a sammich...

> Well, yeah. Except for the sandwich part. Women exist to give birth, men exist to
> impregnant them.

You have no clue where you're going with that. Just saying.

> > Without transgender athletes and high-testosterone women (you know, the ones you
> > call "horse-faced lesbians"), there are very few (I won't quite say none, but not nearly
> > enough to save women's sports) quality female athletes.

> A horse-faced lesbian walks into a bar. The bartender asks, "why the long face?"
>
> 'High-testosterone' women are actually men, according to the new science [sic].

There are those who believe it in the first place. The head of the Russian Tennis Federation was thrown out of the sport when he called Williams' men.

> I bet my wife is a better athlete than you.

And no one cares, dipshit. That's the point of this exercise.

Moron.

Mike

[RoddyMcCorley]

Doesn't bother me one way or the other.

I' a Tennessee alumnus so naturally I enjoy women's roundball. Also, my
daughter was a pretty good athlete in HS and college. Soccer, field
hockey, track and cross country. All district (PA) in track (1mi, 2mi)
and all-state in cross. Went virtually all of her games and meets. So I
have an appreciation for women's sports.

BTW, at 38 y.o., she still runs competitively and often wins monetary
prizes.

[The NOTBCS Guy]

SEC Network posted on its Facebook page that Missouri set a home attendance record of 6,041 for a women's gymnastics meet. Pretty much half the replies are, "Was it against LSU?" (BTW, no - but it was Auburn, so I wouldn't be surprised if most of the crowd was little girls and their mothers wanting to see Olympic all-around champion Suni Lee perform, especially as she announced a few months ago that she won't be competing in college next season as she has to train for the 2024 Olympics.)

[michael anderson]

I didn't know(thankfully) who that was, so I looked her up and read this about her: In a review for Time Out of her next show Douglas, Ben Neutze wrote that in Nanette, "Gadsby's main objective was to deliver a fiery and furious takedown of the heterosexual patriarchy."

lol.....is this seriously a real person?

>
> -TE
>
> > Mike