"Possibly the worst new car money can buy"
CheeseHusker dos
the new Honda Insight...
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/driving/jeremy_clarkson/article6294116.ece
"So far, though, you have not been told what it’s like as a car; as a
tool for moving you, your friends and your things from place to
place.
So here goes. It’s terrible. Biblically terrible. Possibly the worst
new car money can buy. It’s the first car I’ve ever considered
crashing into a tree, on purpose, so I didn’t have to drive it any
more."
Why does he hat3 tr33s??????????????????????????
That's awesome
VA Beach Hokie
> Score one for our friends across the pond with this scathing review of
> the new Honda Insight...
>
>
> "So far, though, you have not been told what it’s like as a car; as a
> tool for moving you, your friends and your things from place to
> place.
>
> So here goes. It’s terrible. Biblically terrible. Possibly the worst
> new car money can buy. It’s the first car I’ve ever considered
> crashing into a tree, on purpose, so I didn’t have to drive it any
> more."
>
> Why does he hat3 tr33s??????????????????????????
>
> That's awesome
"Dog on a ham slicer"
Wow.
TimV
"VA Beach Hokie" <wjl...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Wow.
_____
Jeremy Clarkson is one of my favorite British presenters. Classic really.
T
Professor
"But now comes the need to throw away the heart of the beast, the
internal combustion engine, and start again. And, critically, the
first of the new cars with their new power systems must be better than
the last of the old ones. Or no one will buy them. That’s a tall
order. That’s like dragging Didier Drogba onto a cricket pitch and
expecting him to be better than Ian Botham."
That's just what I was thinking.
xyzzy
> the new Honda Insight...
>
>
> "So far, though, you have not been told what it’s like as a car; as a
> tool for moving you, your friends and your things from place to
> place.
>
> So here goes. It’s terrible. Biblically terrible. Possibly the worst
> new car money can buy. It’s the first car I’ve ever considered
> crashing into a tree, on purpose, so I didn’t have to drive it any
> more."
>
> Why does he hat3 tr33s??????????????????????????
>
> That's awesome
Dude, until you read the 1968 Car and Driver review of the Opel Kadett
wagon (completely with pictures of the car taken in a junkyard), you
have NOT seen a car review hit piece. Sigh. I miss Car and Driver
when it was good.
(no I'm not that old, they re-ran it a couple of years ago in their
50th anniversary issue. I tried to find it on the web but was
unsuccessful, sorry).
Sendek Q. Sendek
Yeah the cricket analogy went over my head as well.
But reading into the context, I can only imagine the football
equivalent would be:
"That's like dragging Matthew Stafford onto the gridiron and expecting
him to be better than Tom Brady."
CheeseHusker dos
>
> - Show quoted text -
I know the review you speak of from the issue you speak of. That was
very much awesome. C & D used to be great - back when print
mattered. Now, not so much.
dam
Not quite, Drogba is a soccer player. bleh.
dam
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xyzzy
You got a lot of guts, admitting to RSFC that you know that.
xyzzy
Btw, compare and contrast:
"For the record, the Insight drives like a Honda, with tight
suspension motions, a firm ride, well-connected steering, and a no-fat
musculature. Interior sound levels are mild and well controlled,
especially at freeway speeds."
WHTMG?????
Sendek Q. Sendek
Second attempt:
It's like dragging Shaquille O'Neil to the microphone and expecting
him to be a better MC than Flava Flav.
CheeseHusker dos
>
> - Show quoted text -
Geeeez - they're so freakin' soft anymore
CheeseHusker dos
>
> - Show quoted text -
Dood - you got this all wrong.
It's like dragging an Irishman to a bar and expecting him to come home
sober.
Sid
>> "But now comes the need to throw away the heart of the beast, the
>> internal combustion engine, and start again. And, critically, the
>> first of the new cars with their new power systems must be better than
>> the last of the old ones. Or no one will buy them. That�s a tall
>> order. That�s like dragging Didier Drogba onto a cricket pitch and
>> expecting him to be better than Ian Botham."
>>
>> That's just what I was thinking.
>
>
> Yeah the cricket analogy went over my head as well.
Actually, Drogba is a football player.
> But reading into the context, I can only imagine the football
> equivalent would be:
>
> "That's like dragging Matthew Stafford onto the gridiron and expecting
> him to be better than Tom Brady."
A better analagy would be
"That's like dragging Greg Paulus onto the gridiron and expecting him to
better than Chad He..." never mind.
Sid
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Larry Sheldon
> On 2009-05-19 10:04:23 -0400, Sendek Q. Sendek <send...@asu.invalid> said:
>
>>> "But now comes the need to throw away the heart of the beast, the
>>> internal combustion engine, and start again. And, critically, the
>>> first of the new cars with their new power systems must be better than
>>> order. That�s like dragging Didier Drogba onto a cricket pitch and
>>> expecting him to be better than Ian Botham."
>>>
>>> That's just what I was thinking.
>>
>>
>> Yeah the cricket analogy went over my head as well.
>
> Actually, Drogba is a football player.
>
>> But reading into the context, I can only imagine the football
>> equivalent would be:
>>
>> "That's like dragging Matthew Stafford onto the gridiron and expecting
>> him to be better than Tom Brady."
>
> A better analagy would be
>
> "That's like dragging Greg Paulus onto the gridiron and expecting him to
> better than Chad He..." never mind.
>
> Sid
It's like trying to get people to use their heads instead of their asses
when they respond to cross-posted crap.
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Steve Firth
> But reading into the context, I can only imagine the football
> equivalent would be:
>
> "That's like dragging Matthew Stafford onto the gridiron and expecting
> him to be better than Tom Brady."
Well no, it's more like:
"That's like dragging <insert name of hideously overpaid girly American
football player> onto a baseball diamond and expecting him to be better
than <insert name of some over-paid rounders player>."
Tonawanda Kardex
> Score one for our friends across the pond with this scathing review of
> the new Honda Insight...
>
>
> "So far, though, you have not been told what it’s like as a car; as a
> tool for moving you, your friends and your things from place to
> place.
>
> So here goes. It’s terrible. Biblically terrible. Possibly the worst
> new car money can buy. It’s the first car I’ve ever considered
> crashing into a tree, on purpose, so I didn’t have to drive it any
> more."
>
> Why does he hat3 tr33s??????????????????????????
>
> That's awesome
My fave:
"And the sound is worse. The Honda’s petrol engine is a much-shaved,
built-for-economy, low-friction 1.3 that, at full chat, makes a noise
worse than someone else’s crying baby on an airliner. It’s worse than
the sound of your parachute failing to open. Really, to get an idea of
how awful it is, you’d have to sit a dog on a ham slicer.
So you’re sitting there with the engine screaming its head off, and
your ears bleeding, and you’re doing only 23mph because that’s about
the top speed, and you’re thinking things can’t get any worse, and
then they do because you run over a small piece of grit. "
dam
What can I say, both my boys are huge soccer fans. The oldest played
in youth, select and in cowledge so I had to be a good dad and become
at least a casual fan. I still think they should give red cards to
guys who feign injuries or collapse like a house of cards when they're
touched. That's just not manly.
dam
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As far as I can tell from studying the scriptures, all you do in
heaven is pretty much just sit around all day and praise the Lord. I
don’t know about you, but I think that after the first, oh, I don’t
know, 50,000,000 years of that I’d start to get a little bored. - Rick
Reynolds
Steve
Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:
-Sendek Q. Sendek <send...@asu.invalid> wrote:
-
-> But reading into the context, I can only imagine the football
-> equivalent would be:
->
-> "That's like dragging Matthew Stafford onto the gridiron and expecting
-> him to be better than Tom Brady."
-
-Well no, it's more like:
-
-"That's like dragging <insert name of hideously overpaid girly American
-football player> onto a baseball diamond and expecting him to be better
-than <insert name of some over-paid rounders player>."
You mean like dragging Kirk Gibson and better than Jose Canseco?
Steve
David V. Loewe, Jr
wrote:
Or Vincent "Bo" Jackson?
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wanting a tailored fit in an off the rack world."
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Edward M. Kennedy
>>-> But reading into the context, I can only imagine the football
>>-> equivalent would be:
>>->
>>-> "That's like dragging Matthew Stafford onto the gridiron and expecting
>>-> him to be better than Tom Brady."
>>-
>>-Well no, it's more like:
>>-
>>-"That's like dragging <insert name of hideously overpaid girly American
>>-football player> onto a baseball diamond and expecting him to be better
>>-than <insert name of some over-paid rounders player>."
>>
>>You mean like dragging Kirk Gibson and better than Jose Canseco?
>
> Or Vincent "Bo" Jackson?
Bill Buckner still gets hate mail even though he's moved
to Boise, Idaho.
--Tedward
David Loewe, Jr.
wrote:
?
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"Try to learn something about everything and everything about
something."
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Sendek Q. Sendek
Sendek Q. Sendek
Because your regular old Paddy O'Witherspoon of Bumfuckaruckus,
MA/VT/CT/NH/ME/RI has nothing better to do than to relive old BoSox
meltdowns EVEN AFTER THE BABE RUTH CURSE HAS BEEN LIFTED, DESTROYED,
ABOLISHED, BANISHED.
Sendek Q. Sendek
>Sid wrote:
>> On 2009-05-19 10:04:23 -0400, Sendek Q. Sendek <send...@asu.invalid> said:
>>
>>>> "But now comes the need to throw away the heart of the beast, the
>>>> internal combustion engine, and start again. And, critically, the
>>>> first of the new cars with their new power systems must be better than
>>>> the last of the old ones. Or no one will buy them. That�s a tall
>>>> order. That�s like dragging Didier Drogba onto a cricket pitch and
>>>> expecting him to be better than Ian Botham."
>>>>
>>>> That's just what I was thinking.
>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah the cricket analogy went over my head as well.
>>
>> Actually, Drogba is a football player.
>>
>>> But reading into the context, I can only imagine the football
>>> equivalent would be:
>>>
>>> "That's like dragging Matthew Stafford onto the gridiron and expecting
>>> him to be better than Tom Brady."
>>
>> A better analagy would be
>>
>> "That's like dragging Greg Paulus onto the gridiron and expecting him to
>> better than Chad He..." never mind.
>>
>> Sid
>
>It's like trying to get people to use their heads instead of their asses
>when they respond to cross-posted crap.
Just because it's crossposted doesn't mean it's crap.
These threads are classic Usenet trolling at its best.
Edward M. Kennedy
It's May 19th, 2009, and Bill Buckner's ball is still dribbling.
--Tedward
Sid
> Sid <sidesss...@mmmmmmapssssenerte.net> wrote:
>> A better analagy would be
>>
>> "That's like dragging Greg Paulus onto the gridiron and expecting him to
>> better than Chad He..." never mind.
>>
>> Sid
>
>
> You're a natural born rsfc-ker, I must say.
I lurk with the best.
Sid
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wayback1918
> "Sendek Q. Sendek" <sende...@asu.invalid> wrote
>
> - Show quoted text -
Teddy....have you come up with a car that floats yets?
Anthony Summers
> >"But now comes the need to throw away the heart of the beast, the
> >internal combustion engine, and start again. And, critically, the
> >first of the new cars with their new power systems must be better than
> >the last of the old ones. Or no one will buy them. That?s a tall
> >order. That?s like dragging Didier Drogba onto a cricket pitch and
> >expecting him to be better than Ian Botham."
> >
> >That's just what I was thinking.
>
>
> Yeah the cricket analogy went over my head as well.
Didier Drogba is a striker for Chelsea, one of the top football clubs in
the world. He's a beast, with a touch as nimble as an elephant's.
--
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Anthony Summers
> "And the sound is worse. The Honda?s petrol engine is a much-shaved,
> built-for-economy, low-friction 1.3 that, at full chat, makes a noise
> worse than someone else?s crying baby on an airliner. It?s worse than
> the sound of your parachute failing to open. Really, to get an idea of
> how awful it is, you?d have to sit a dog on a ham slicer.
>
> So you?re sitting there with the engine screaming its head off, and
> your ears bleeding, and you?re doing only 23mph because that?s about
> the top speed, and you?re thinking things can?t get any worse, and
> then they do because you run over a small piece of grit. "
Clarkson is not known for holding back, very much. If you have the
chance to watch Top Gear on BBC America, do so... you'll enjoy it.
Premier Bush
> Score one for our friends across the pond with this scathing review of
> the new Honda Insight...
>
>
> "So far, though, you have not been told what it�s like as a car; as a
> tool for moving you, your friends and your things from place to
> place.
>
> So here goes. It�s terrible. Biblically terrible. Possibly the worst
> new car money can buy. It�s the first car I�ve ever considered
> crashing into a tree, on purpose, so I didn�t have to drive it any
> more."
>
> Why does he hat3 tr33s??????????????????????????
>
>
> That's awesome
What? I thought all Japanese cars were perfect, refined, reliable
engineering masterpieces and their exhaust fumes didn't stink. The media
has been lying to me all these years.
garoadw...@yahoo.com
Hondas are usually winners for reliability, but hybrids in general are
NOT time tested and have quite a track record of problems. Just stick
to your 30-40 MPG standard compacts and wait to see if this technology
turns out to be something special or just another lemon. At least
give them points for trying.
CheeseHusker dos
wrote:
I've seen the show more than a few times - it rocks, sorta like how
the Old Sod used to do. The episode they did on the Bugatti Veyron -
freakin' amazing.....pure horsepower lust
On the offchance no one's seen this delicious piece of dominate:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk1t6S737Cs
The top speed test starts around the 4 minute mark....
Steve Firth
> On the offchance no one's seen this delicious piece of dominate:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk1t6S737Cs
>
> The top speed test starts around the 4 minute mark....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joPw97zcZow
The Top Gear team are excellent at what they do, the camerawork is
better than the competition, the timing is spot on and they choose the
best music. New Order for the XJ220 seems absolutely appropriate,
industrial strength music for a car built by Victorian engineers in top
hats.
I've seen the Australian version and the program sucks, I nearly fell
asleep.
I can't wait for the Top Gear take on this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5HJd3Pwtys
It's also interesting to note that short as it is that promo seems to
lean towards the Top Gear way of doing things.
CheeseHusker dos
Nice link - thanks - and yes, they're totally mimicking TG with that
promo - imitation and compliments and all that.
Just judging by the look of the car, I never would have guessed that
was a Jag
The ad kinda reminds me of an old Porsche ad - where a 911 goes from
0-100-0 while the Four Seasons plays in the background - couldn't find
on youtube tho.
Alright - enough complimentary talk - back to insults - QUIT DRIVING
ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE ROAD, YOU LIMEYTURDS!1!!!1
xyzzy
30-40 mpg standard compacts? Are you talking about imperial gallons
perchance?
Edward M. Kennedy
> >>>>-> But reading into the context, I can only imagine the football
> >>>>-> equivalent would be:
> >>>>->
> >>>>-> "That's like dragging Matthew Stafford onto the gridiron and expecting
> >>>>-> him to be better than Tom Brady."
> >>>>-
> >>>>-Well no, it's more like:
> >>>>-
> >>>>-"That's like dragging <insert name of hideously overpaid girly American
> >>>>-football player> onto a baseball diamond and expecting him to be better
> >>>>-than <insert name of some over-paid rounders player>."
>
> >>>>You mean like dragging Kirk Gibson and better than Jose Canseco?
>
> >>> Or Vincent "Bo" Jackson?
>
> >>Bill Buckner still gets hate mail even though he's moved
> >>to Boise, Idaho.
>
> > Because your regular old Paddy O'Witherspoon of Bumfuckaruckus,
> > MA/VT/CT/NH/ME/RI has nothing better to do than to relive old BoSox
> > meltdowns EVEN AFTER THE BABE RUTH CURSE HAS BEEN LIFTED, DESTROYED,
> > ABOLISHED, BANISHED.
>
> It's May 19th, 2009, and Bill Buckner's ball is still dribbling.
<
<Teddy....have you come up with a car that floats yets?
Volkswagens float, but no, my daddy just *had* to buy American.
--Tedward
wayback1918
> "wayback1918" <wayback1...@verizon.net> wrote
>
> - Show quoted text -
Chivas Regal isn't American.......
Steve Firth
> Nice link - thanks - and yes, they're totally mimicking TG with that promo
> - imitation and compliments and all that.
Just don't bother with the Australian Top Gear review of the XFR on
YouTube. They manage to make the most exciting car Jaguar have built in
a long time look dull.
> QUIT DRIVING ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE ROAD, YOU LIMEYTURDS!1!!!1
Obviously we are better drivers than you because we sit on the right
side of the car.
CheeseHusker dos
That's the seat for passengers...anyone can be a better driver from
the passenger seat
Steve Firth
Tsk, the best seat for drivers is the bench seat in the back, according
to my mother in law.
CheeseHusker dos
>
> - Show quoted text -
Why do you hate using your trunk? er....boot?
Steve Firth
> Why do you hate using your trunk?
I'm not an elephant.
> er....boot?
It's illegal to kick one's mother in law in most states in the US of
England.
xyzzy
> CheeseHusker dos <jonrus...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Why do you hate using your trunk?
>
> I'm not an elephant.
>
> > er....boot?
>
> It's illegal to kick one's mother in law in most states in the US of
> England.
I'm really starting to like this Brit. I think he may secretly be an
rsfcker . Well done chap.
CheeseHusker dos
Can we trade Mia for him?
xyzzy
I don't think they would go for it. We're talking to Brits, not
Frenchmen.
CheeseHusker dos
>
> - Show quoted text -
Maybe they can swing a 3 way deal with Belgium and France - they take
some pommes frites and a hunk of cheese to be named later?
Anthony Summers
Driver Ratings by Area I've Lived
1. Maryland
2. Colorado
3. Wisconsin
4. New Jersey
5. Delaware
6. United Kingdom
7. Kuwait
8. Iraq
Anthony Summers
> > I don't think they would go for it. We're talking to Brits, not
> > Frenchmen.- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Maybe they can swing a 3 way deal with Belgium and France - they take
> some pommes frites and a hunk of cheese to be named later?
non-sequitur that may make jon jellus... i hope.
Hey Jon, I'm going to the French Open and you're not. :P
CheeseHusker dos
> On Wed, 20 May 2009 12:59:03 -0700 (PDT), CheeseHusker dos wrote...
> > > I don't think they would go for it. We're talking to Brits, not
> > > Frenchmen.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Maybe they can swing a 3 way deal with Belgium and France - they take
> > some pommes frites and a hunk of cheese to be named later?
>
> non-sequitur that may make jon jellus... i hope.
>
> Hey Jon, I'm going to the French Open and you're not. :P
Hmmm....let's see....Paris....hawt athletic wimmins running
around....french food....
One word: fuckyouassholeIhopeyouhaveagreattime.
sd
>
> - Afficher le texte des messages précédents -
I guess some beancouters who cutted cuts at Honda as well as rushing
the Insight to be ready to arrive at the same time as the new Prius,
didn't helped the situation
but at least they aren't used as a "parade car" at Nascar for an event
and being towed like this Toyota Highlander was
http://jalopnik.com/5261006/toyota-hybrid-breaks-down-towed-off-track-before-nascar-event
Stéphane Dumas
N8N
That's pretty pathetic. Maryland drivers are the absolute WORST of
anywhere I've lived/driven.
I've never lived in NJ but based on traveling through that state, IMHO
they are far and away more competent and courteous than Maryland
drivers. Mostly because they seem to have some findamental
situational awareness and ability to KRETP that Maryland drivers don't
have.
nate
Adrian
saying:
> That's pretty pathetic. Maryland drivers are the absolute WORST of
> anywhere I've lived/driven.
Shit me. You HAVE lived a very sheltered life.
Steve Firth
> Driver Ratings by Area I've Lived
>
> 1. Maryland
> 2. Colorado
> 3. Wisconsin
> 4. New Jersey
> 5. Delaware
> 6. United Kingdom
> 7. Kuwait
> 8. Iraq
You haven't lived.
Where are Naples and Marseilles on that scale? And errm you've treated
the United states as five separate places. On that scale you have to
divide the UK by county.
Steve Firth
> Hmmm....let's see....Paris....hawt athletic wimmins running
> around....french food....
Negatives: It's not Italy. It is Paris. World's worst coffee[1], most
over-confident chefs and vile beer.
[1] It does fight hard for that reputation with Seattle amd Norway
putting up serious competition.
xyzzy
CheeseHusker dos
> CheeseHusker dos <jonrus...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Hmmm....let's see....Paris....hawt athletic wimmins running
> > around....french food....
>
> Negatives: It's not Italy. It is Paris. World's worst coffee[1], most
> over-confident chefs and vile beer.
Among other issues - but....
> [1] It does fight hard for that reputation with Seattle amd Norway
> putting up serious competition.
Chocolat chaud and fresh croissants - a truly wonderful way to start
the morning.
Anthony Summers
> On May 20, 4:21 pm, Anthony Summers <summerstorm0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Wed, 20 May 2009 16:51:58 +0100, Steve Firth wrote...
> > > CheeseHusker dos <jonrus...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > Nice link - thanks - and yes, they're totally mimicking TG with that promo
> > > > - imitation and compliments and all that.
> >
> > > Just don't bother with the Australian Top Gear review of the XFR on
> > > YouTube. They manage to make the most exciting car Jaguar have built in
> > > a long time look dull.
> >
> > > > QUIT DRIVING ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE ROAD, YOU LIMEYTURDS!1!!!1
> >
> > > Obviously we are better drivers than you because we sit on the right
> > > side of the car.
> >
> > Driver Ratings by Area I've Lived
> >
> > 1. Maryland
> > 2. Colorado
> > 3. Wisconsin
> > 4. New Jersey
> > 5. Delaware
> > 6. United Kingdom
> > 7. Kuwait
> > 8. Iraq
> >
> > --
> > A. Summers || summerstorm0007-->at<--yahoo.com
>
> That's pretty pathetic. Maryland drivers are the absolute WORST of
> anywhere I've lived/driven.
What part of Maryland? If you lived around DC, I don't think that you
should lump those people in with the rest of the state. Anywhere near
495 and you're right, the drivers are terrible. Anywhere near 695 and
the drivers are (or were) fantastic.
> I've never lived in NJ but based on traveling through that state, IMHO
> they are far and away more competent and courteous than Maryland
> drivers. Mostly because they seem to have some findamental
> situational awareness and ability to KRETP that Maryland drivers don't
> have.
KRETP... ah, so if this is a pet peeve presumably you're one of those
ragers who goes on major life tilt if someone's in the left lane and
going the speed limit? If so, you're in the group of people that I used
to really enjoy making quite angry as a bit of a hobby. ;)
Anthony Summers
Virginia is south of Maryland, and it's hard to rate the drivers as I
only really drove much around Virginia Tech. College students are
really bad drivers.
Georgia drivers I left out, and I've never lived in Delaware, so I meant
to put them at #5.
Anthony Summers
No, not really. You might want to check the scale of the UK as compared
to a first-world country or two, like the United States, for example.
Steve Firth
Even within the USA. I don't think there's anywhere in the UK that
matches the driving around Boston, MA. Not even Boston, Lincs is that
bad and it's chav central.
Hmm I just tried to catch a view of I-90 on the traffic cams but the
application is broken. I notice from the surrounding adverts that one of
our bankrupt banks owns one of their bankrupt banks. Fairly obvious logo
with "Citizen's Bank" written on it.
Anthony Summers
> Even within the USA. I don't think there's anywhere in the UK that
> matches the driving around Boston, MA. Not even Boston, Lincs is that
> bad and it's chav central.
I haven't lived in Boston but I have visited and must agree that they
have the worst drivers I have ever seen, anywhere, and that's even
including the lunatics in Iraq.
TimV
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Boston is not even the worst in the U.S. I'd say LA.
On a global level in terms of civilized places, driving in Rome is an awful
lot like being in the midst of a "Transporter" flick.
Images I've seen of traffic in Ho Chi Minh City makes it look like it was
intentionally designed as a population control device.
T
Steve Firth
> > Where are Naples and Marseilles on that scale? And errm you've treated
> > the United states as five separate places. On that scale you have to
> > divide the UK by county.
>
> No, not really. You might want to check the scale of the UK as compared
> to a first-world country or two, like the United States, for example.
Yes really, you might want to check population (hence vehicle) density.
Steve Firth
> Chocolat chaud and fresh croissants - a truly wonderful way to start
> the morning.
I'll agree on the croissants. Italians really, really can't do them, and
Italian breakfast is possible the world's most miserable experience. An
espresso, some stale cake and errm that's it.
Main meals OTOH are infinitely better than anything in France. So to get
the best out of European life start the day in France, then drive to
central Italy for dinner (it's not good eating in Northern Italy, the
food's vile) then there's a choice of driving to Germany or Belgium for
a beer at the end of the day. But don't drive through Switzerland
because they are miserable bastards who hate cars.
There we are, back on topic again.
Steve Firth
> On Wed, 20 May 2009 21:55:14 +0100, Steve Firth wrote...
>
> > Even within the USA. I don't think there's anywhere in the UK that
> > matches the driving around Boston, MA. Not even Boston, Lincs is that
> > bad and it's chav central.
>
> I haven't lived in Boston but I have visited and must agree that they
> have the worst drivers I have ever seen, anywhere, and that's even
> including the lunatics in Iraq.
The company I used to work for, with offices overlooking the Charles
River used to boast that the corridors at work were wide enough to drive
a Caddy along. And I used to observe that it would have been an easier,
faster and more pleasant drive than I-90.
Steve Firth
> On a global level in terms of civilized places, driving in Rome is an awful
> lot like being in the midst of a "Transporter" flick.
Rome is for pussycats. On a descending scale, I'd rate it as Rome,
Milan, Naples, Marseilles.
People tend to think that the original Luc Besson Taxi[1] movie was a
comedy with comedy driving, or that Ronin was a thriller with nrealistic
car chases. In fact both were documentaries about driving in France.
[1] Good film, don't even think of watching the "Queen" Latifah version
which is dire shite.
Anthony Summers
Nope, not 'hence vehicle':
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/tra_mot_veh-transportation-motor-
vehicles
01. United States - 765 motor vehicles per 1,000 people
02. Luxembourg
.
.
.
18. United Kingdom - 426 motor vehicles per 1,000 people
Steve Firth
> Nope, not 'hence vehicle':
Yes, hence vehicle *density*.
> http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/tra_mot_veh-transportation-motor-
> vehicles
>
> 01. United States - 765 motor vehicles per 1,000 people
> 02. Luxembourg
> .
> .
> .
> 18. United Kingdom - 426 motor vehicles per 1,000 people
Yes sonny, and in the UK there are approximately 6000 cars per mile of
trunk road and motorway. In the USA there are 1500 cars per mile of
highway.
Nate Nagel
Not really, I've lived in PA, OH, MI, MD, and VA. Also driven all up
and down the east coast. I stand by my statement that Maryland drivers
are the most oblivious and clueless (and therefore dangerous.) Driving
in NYC, Boston, etc. are stress free in comparison to trying to get from
DC to Annapolis (and that trip involves much lower traffic volumes, but
a much higher percentage of morons per capita.)
Now driving INSIDE Washington, D.C. - that's just a special experience.
nate
--
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Nate Nagel
Ah, I get it. You're what we call an asshole. please, get help for
your issues, or cut up your driver's license. The freeway is no place
to play your little passive-aggressive power trip games.
Fortunately, there's enough mentally unstable people out there that
hopefully you'll get what you so richly deserve one of these days.
Nate Nagel
> On Wed, 20 May 2009 21:55:14 +0100, Steve Firth wrote...
>
>> Even within the USA. I don't think there's anywhere in the UK that
>> matches the driving around Boston, MA. Not even Boston, Lincs is that
>> bad and it's chav central.
>
> I haven't lived in Boston but I have visited and must agree that they
> have the worst drivers I have ever seen, anywhere, and that's even
> including the lunatics in Iraq.
>
I've found them to be very fast and aggressive, alarmingly so, but
surprisingly competent. So long as you don't appear that you're going
to be an impediment to traffic flow, though, and just get on with the
business of driving, driving there isn't so bad, once you get over your
initial shock at how aggressively you have to drive to blend in.
Anthony Summers
You really don't see the irony in your post in reply, do you?
How amusing. ;)
> Fortunately, there's enough mentally unstable people out there that
> hopefully you'll get what you so richly deserve one of these days.
>
> nate
>
>
>
--
Nate Nagel
No, I really don't. It's the law (in most places, sadly NOT in
Maryland, because their legislators have their heads up their asses)
that slower traffic keeps to the right, to facilitate passing on the left.
Not only is it the law, it's a good idea, it is simply courteous and
sensible, and, oddly enough, pretty much universally understood outside
certain pockets of the US.
So how is it again that you justify your illegal, discourteous driving?
Oh, yeah, you like to "enjoy making people quite angry." Grow the
fuck up.
For the record, I am NOT one of the people riding your ass in the left
lane; I'm generally in the bottom 5% of drivers, speed wise, when I'm on
the freeway. I'm also generally in one of the rightmost two lanes.
(not always the rightmost, because people around here can't merge,
either.) That doesn't mean that your driving like a douchebag is any
less annoying to me.
Let me guess, you *live* in Maryland? You sound like a Maryland driver.
Steve Sobol
> Boston is not even the worst in the U.S. I'd say LA.
I live in the Los Angeles metro. I've visited Boston several times.
It's really close... the two cities are about as bad as each other...
--
Steve Sobol, Victorville, California, USA
Microsoft's new marketing slogan for Windows is "Life Without Walls."
But if you have no walls, how can you have windows?
Anthony Summers
Actually, I generally drive quite fast... usually about 75-80.
When I slow down is when the traffic flow dictates that going 75-80 is
unsafe... or when 75-80 (and moving past the traffic on the right with
regularity) isn't fast enough for some jackass who wants to tailgate me.
That's when I speed up a bit until I find a freight truck going 40. I
think the longest I've ever kept pace with one was about five miles.
Nate Nagel
so because someone else is breaking a law <droopy> and that makes you
mad </droopy> that justifies your breaking the law *and* being a douchebag.
got it.
Zaphod Beeblebrox
5/20/2009 8:08 PM???
> On 2009-05-20, TimV <nos...@nospam.org> wrote:
>
>> Boston is not even the worst in the U.S. I'd say LA.
>
> I live in the Los Angeles metro. I've visited Boston several times.
>
> It's really close... the two cities are about as bad as each other...
>
Sorry - not even close. Here's my take on THE worst drivers in the U.S.
1-7. Boston area
8. Washington D.C. area
9. L.A. area
10. NYC area (mostly the asswipes on the LI Expressway - in a class by
themselves)
To give you an idea - I had this close high-school pal here in
Pittsburgh. One of the nicest, most mild mannered, intellectual,
academic types you could ever see. So, he gets an offer from MIT and
moves to Boston (Natick, actually...).
Anyway, about 6 months later I go to Cambridge for a conference and
decide to crash at his place (partially to save money, partially to
spend time with him and his family). Next morning, he drives me to
Cambridge during rush hour in his Volvo. And HOLY CARP - it was Da Ride
from Hell! The guy's cutting off people, and flipping old ladies the
bird, and honking his horn (like it actually matters...). All on a road
that's covered in snow.
I look over to my left and say "Dude. What the fuck is THAT all about?"
He just glares back at me and goes "This is Boston, you hick!"
--
I'm so hip I have trouble seeing over my pelvis.
I'm so cool you can keep a side of meat in me for months.
Anthony Summers
> > When I slow down is when the traffic flow dictates that going 75-80 is
> > unsafe... or when 75-80 (and moving past the traffic on the right with
> > regularity) isn't fast enough for some jackass who wants to tailgate me.
> > That's when I speed up a bit until I find a freight truck going 40. I
> > think the longest I've ever kept pace with one was about five miles.
> >
>
> so because someone else is breaking a law <droopy> and that makes you
> mad </droopy> that justifies your breaking the law *and* being a douchebag.
>
> got it.
teaching a rager a lesson by slowing his childish arse down isn't
breaking a law, but thanks for playing.
i think here's where you imply (again) that if a rager runs me off the
road or otherwise takes out his road rage on me that i'll deserve it.
have a ball.
Nate Nagel
> On Wed, 20 May 2009 20:24:38 -0400, Nate Nagel wrote...
>
>>> When I slow down is when the traffic flow dictates that going 75-80 is
>>> unsafe... or when 75-80 (and moving past the traffic on the right with
>>> regularity) isn't fast enough for some jackass who wants to tailgate me.
>>> That's when I speed up a bit until I find a freight truck going 40. I
>>> think the longest I've ever kept pace with one was about five miles.
>>>
>> so because someone else is breaking a law <droopy> and that makes you
>> mad </droopy> that justifies your breaking the law *and* being a douchebag.
>>
>> got it.
>
> teaching a rager a lesson by slowing his childish arse down isn't
> breaking a law, but thanks for playing.
depending on what state you're in, it likely is.
http://www.mit.edu/~jfc/right.html
and it is not your place to "teach others a lesson." Grow the fuck up.
>
> i think here's where you imply (again) that if a rager runs me off the
> road or otherwise takes out his road rage on me that i'll deserve it.
You do. You obviously weren't socialized as a child, therefore in lieu
of being spanked you'll eventually get an ass-whuppin when you piss off
the wrong person.
You'll still think you were right. And nobody will feel sorry for you.
Because you're an immature little asshole who doesn't play well with
others.
I'd feel sorry for you if you weren't such an arrogant prick.
Steve Sobol
On 2009-05-21, Zaphod Beeblebrox <victor...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>> Boston is not even the worst in the U.S. I'd say LA.
>>
>> I live in the Los Angeles metro. I've visited Boston several times.
>>
>> It's really close... the two cities are about as bad as each other...
>
> Sorry - not even close.
Au contraire, M'sieu Beeblebrox.
Boston drivers are just flat-out insane, but SoCal drivers have a
sense of entitlement like nothing I've *ever* seen before, *anywhere.*
My favorite proof of this: Here in the High Desert... Bear Valley Road
westbound through Apple Valley.
Dude in an SUV starts turning into my lane from a parking lot. Holy crap,
he's gonna hit me! So, I toot my horn.
Not a prolonged "get away from me, you rat bastard" honk... a couple VERY
quick toots.
The guy stops, and lets me proceed, but then looks at me like I'm absolutely
crazy for even daring to honk at me.
> Anyway, about 6 months later I go to Cambridge for a conference and
> decide to crash at his place (partially to save money, partially to
> spend time with him and his family). Next morning, he drives me to
> Cambridge during rush hour in his Volvo. And HOLY CARP - it was Da Ride
> from Hell! The guy's cutting off people, and flipping old ladies the
> bird, and honking his horn (like it actually matters...). All on a road
> that's covered in snow.
>
> I look over to my left and say "Dude. What the fuck is THAT all about?"
>
> He just glares back at me and goes "This is Boston, you hick!"
Dassright. Like I said, Boston drivers are insane. It's a different problem.
Here, people aren't crazy, but they seriously believe they own the road.
And they get *very* angry with you if you dare claim otherwise.
Steve Sobol
> The guy stops, and lets me proceed, but then looks at me like I'm absolutely
> crazy for even daring to honk at me.
... even daring to honk at HIM. Sorry.
Steve Firth
> I live in the Los Angeles metro.
You poor thing. Do you sleep wrapped in newspapers and spend your day
mumbling "spare change?" Do you find it difficult when the conductor on
the Metro chases you out onto the platform?
Steve Sobol
No, jackass, I don't. Have you ever been to Southern California?
Comrade Otto Mac Yamamoto
> From: Steve Sobol <sjs...@JustThe.net>
> Organization: Glorb Internet Services, http://www.glorb.com
> Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college,uk.transport,misc.transport.road
> Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 02:35:21 +0000 (UTC)
> Subject: Re: "Possibly the worst new car money can buy"
Steve Firth=Randy Hersch GB style. Swap 'Nigger' with 'Seppo' and it reads
about the same.
Steve Firth
> On 2009-05-21, Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:
> > Steve Sobol <sjs...@JustThe.net> wrote:
> >
> >> I live in the Los Angeles metro.
> >
> > You poor thing. Do you sleep wrapped in newspapers and spend your day
> > mumbling "spare change?" Do you find it difficult when the conductor on
> > the Metro chases you out onto the platform?
>
> No, jackass, I don't. Have you ever been to Southern California?
Does that lip hurt?
Scott M. Kozel
>
>Steve Sobol <sjs...@JustThe.net>
>> Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Steve Sobol <sjs...@JustThe.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I live in the Los Angeles metro.
>>> You poor thing. Do you sleep wrapped in newspapers and spend your day
>>> mumbling "spare change?" Do you find it difficult when the conductor on
>>> the Metro chases you out onto the platform?
>> No, jackass, I don't. Have you ever been to Southern California?
>>
>> But if you have no walls, how can you have windows?
>
> Steve Firth=Randy Hersch GB style. Swap 'Nigger' with 'Seppo' and it reads
> about the same.
Plus the implication that von Braun and the other WWII German rocket
scientists should have been hanged or imprisoned for life ...
Anthony Summers
> Anthony Summers wrote:
> > On Wed, 20 May 2009 20:24:38 -0400, Nate Nagel wrote...
> >
> >>> When I slow down is when the traffic flow dictates that going 75-80 is
> >>> unsafe... or when 75-80 (and moving past the traffic on the right with
> >>> regularity) isn't fast enough for some jackass who wants to tailgate me.
> >>> That's when I speed up a bit until I find a freight truck going 40. I
> >>> think the longest I've ever kept pace with one was about five miles.
> >>>
> >> so because someone else is breaking a law <droopy> and that makes you
> >> mad </droopy> that justifies your breaking the law *and* being a douchebag.
> >>
> >> got it.
> >
> > teaching a rager a lesson by slowing his childish arse down isn't
> > breaking a law, but thanks for playing.
>
> depending on what state you're in, it likely is.
>
> http://www.mit.edu/~jfc/right.html
>
> and it is not your place to "teach others a lesson." Grow the fuck up.
'Grow ... up', followed by the rest of the crap you wrote is just
hysterical.
> > i think here's where you imply (again) that if a rager runs me off the
> > road or otherwise takes out his road rage on me that i'll deserve it.
>
> You do.
Only a sub-human would even suggest such a thing.
'You have upset me therefore I shall inflict violence upon you!' -- this
is the reaction on a child, not a grown man.
> You obviously weren't socialized as a child, therefore in lieu
> of being spanked you'll eventually get an ass-whuppin when you piss off
> the wrong person.
>
> You'll still think you were right. And nobody will feel sorry for you.
> Because you're an immature little asshole who doesn't play well with
> others.
>
> I'd feel sorry for you if you weren't such an arrogant prick.
Your pity is not required, thanks.
Steve Sobol
I'll interpret your answer as "no." I'm assuming that if the answer was
in fact "yes," you'd have said yes.
CAHighway99
> Adrian wrote:
> > N8N <njna...@hotmail.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
I didn't find D.C. drivers to really be all that bad.
Steve Firth
> Plus the implication that von Braun and the other WWII German rocket
> scientists should have been hanged or imprisoned for life ...
Your schizophrenia is showing again. You can't work out whether to
condemn the Nazis or give them a big kiss.
N8N
> On May 20, 3:30 pm, Nate Nagel <njna...@roosters.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Adrian wrote:
> > > N8N <njna...@hotmail.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
> > > saying:
>
> > >> That's pretty pathetic. Maryland drivers are the absolute WORST of
> > >> anywhere I've lived/driven.
>
> > > Shit me. You HAVE lived a very sheltered life.
>
> > Not really, I've lived in PA, OH, MI, MD, and VA. Also driven all up
> > and down the east coast. I stand by my statement that Maryland drivers
> > are the most oblivious and clueless (and therefore dangerous.) Driving
> > in NYC, Boston, etc. are stress free in comparison to trying to get from
> > DC to Annapolis (and that trip involves much lower traffic volumes, but
> > a much higher percentage of morons per capita.)
>
> > Now driving INSIDE Washington, D.C. - that's just a special experience.
>
> > nate
>
I avoid the city like the plague even though I live right nearby...
but at least in my experience, DC drivers are dangerous not because
they are fast or aggressive but because they just aren't paying
attention and don't know the rules of the road. Last-minute,
unsignaled lane changes are de rigeur; not seeing a green light,
tenatively wobbling back and forth between lanes, blocking the box
because drivers don't notice the wall-o-traffic on the other side of
the intersection etc. all are common. Usually if I see someone
driving fast and aggressively I can at least predict what he's going
to do because I can see where he needs to go to get ahead in traffic.
DC drivers I find very difficult to predict what they're going to do
because half the time they don't know themselves.
The road signage doesn't help any either...
Now that they've somewhat fixed the Anacostia Freeway at least that
isn't quite the Ride of Terror(tm) that it used to be. Used to be
wall to wall cars doing 60 MPH on a road that was rougher than the
dirt road my parents live on. (at one point, I saw a VW Jetta lose the
bottom of its oil pan just driving down the road. I guess she
straddled a manhole cover and didn't realize how high it was sticking
up.) At least now it's smooth, and I haven't been on it in a while
but it appears that they're finally fixing (widening?) the bridge over
Burroughs...
nate
N8N
wrote:
> On Wed, 20 May 2009 20:44:44 -0400, Nate Nagel wrote...
> > Anthony Summers wrote:
> > > On Wed, 20 May 2009 20:24:38 -0400, Nate Nagel wrote...
>
> > >>> When I slow down is when the traffic flow dictates that going 75-80 is
> > >>> unsafe... or when 75-80 (and moving past the traffic on the right with
> > >>> regularity) isn't fast enough for some jackass who wants to tailgate me.
> > >>> That's when I speed up a bit until I find a freight truck going 40. I
> > >>> think the longest I've ever kept pace with one was about five miles.
>
> > >> so because someone else is breaking a law <droopy> and that makes you
> > >> mad </droopy> that justifies your breaking the law *and* being a douchebag.
>
> > >> got it.
>
> > > teaching a rager a lesson by slowing his childish arse down isn't
> > > breaking a law, but thanks for playing.
>
> > depending on what state you're in, it likely is.
>
> >http://www.mit.edu/~jfc/right.html
>
> > and it is not your place to "teach others a lesson." Grow the fuck up.
>
> 'Grow ... up', followed by the rest of the crap you wrote is just
> hysterical.
>
> > > i think here's where you imply (again) that if a rager runs me off the
> > > road or otherwise takes out his road rage on me that i'll deserve it.
>
> > You do.
>
> Only a sub-human would even suggest such a thing.
Only a sub-human would deliberately initiate rage in another while
piloting a two-ton chunk of steel at high speed.
>
> 'You have upset me therefore I shall inflict violence upon you!' -- this
> is the reaction on a child, not a grown man.
Exactly. And yet, it's quite similar to your rationalization for your
antisocial behavior. The fact that you can't see this shows that you
have quite a bit of growing up to do.
>
> > You obviously weren't socialized as a child, therefore in lieu
> > of being spanked you'll eventually get an ass-whuppin when you piss off
> > the wrong person.
>
> > You'll still think you were right. And nobody will feel sorry for you.
> > Because you're an immature little asshole who doesn't play well with
> > others.
>
> > I'd feel sorry for you if you weren't such an arrogant prick.
>
> Your pity is not required, thanks.
Good, because all I'm feeling towards you is disgust.
nate
The BorgMan
news:MPG.247e6b402...@news-europe.giganews.com:
> On Wed, 20 May 2009 20:24:38 -0400, Nate Nagel wrote...
>
>> > When I slow down is when the traffic flow dictates that going 75-80
>> > is unsafe... or when 75-80 (and moving past the traffic on the
>> > right with regularity) isn't fast enough for some jackass who wants
>> > to tailgate me. That's when I speed up a bit until I find a freight
>> > truck going 40. I think the longest I've ever kept pace with one
>> > was about five miles.
>> >
>>
>> so because someone else is breaking a law <droopy> and that makes you
>> mad </droopy> that justifies your breaking the law *and* being a
>> douchebag.
>>
>> got it.
>
> teaching a rager a lesson by slowing his childish arse down isn't
> breaking a law, but thanks for playing.
Actually, in most states it is.
In Michigan for example, on two lane highways it is illegal to use the
left lane for anything other than passing.
Using the left lane to block someone going faster than you'd like isn't
exactly "passing".
--
Aaron
Edward M. Kennedy
>> 01. United States - 765 motor vehicles per 1,000 people
>> 02. Luxembourg
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> 18. United Kingdom - 426 motor vehicles per 1,000 people
>
> Yes sonny, and in the UK there are approximately 6000 cars per mile of
> trunk road and motorway. In the USA there are 1500 cars per mile of
> highway.
You do realize the US has vast sparsely populated areas
that are several times the size of the UK?
--Tedward
Steve Firth
Yes.
You do realise that means that the average density of vehicles on US
roads is much lower than it is in the UK?
Good. I've taught you something then.
CheeseHusker dos
> Edward M. Kennedy <e...@eio.com> wrote:
>
Misleading stat 'cuz we got lots of empty roads - in the urban areas
however...yikes
Adrian
they were saying:
>> > > Yes sonny, and in the UK there are approximately 6000 cars per mile
>> > > of trunk road and motorway. In the USA there are 1500 cars per mile
>> > > of highway.
>> > You do realize the US has vast sparsely populated areas that are
>> > several times the size of the UK?
>> Yes.
>>
>> You do realise that means that the average density of vehicles on US
>> roads is much lower than it is in the UK?
>>
>> Good. I've taught you something then.
> Misleading stat 'cuz we got lots of empty roads - in the urban areas
> however...yikes
You think that somehow our average figure is evenly spread across the
whole country? If so, you're clearly more stupid than I thought.
Steve Firth
> > You do realise that means that the average density of vehicles on US
> > roads is much lower than it is in the UK?
> >
> > Good. I've taught you something then.
>
> Misleading stat
Not at all, I only compared interstate and major road length in the US.
> 'cuz we got lots of empty roads - in the urban areas
> however...yikes
Do you think that the Highlands of Scotland are teeming with traffic?
Anyway, what Americans think of as busy is a road at 3AM in the UK.
CheeseHusker dos
> CheeseHusker dos <jonrus...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > You do realise that means that the average density of vehicles on US
> > > roads is much lower than it is in the UK?
>
> > > Good. I've taught you something then.
>
> > Misleading stat
>
> Not at all, I only compared interstate and major road length in the US.
Ever been on I39 thru downstate Illinois?
> > 'cuz we got lots of empty roads - in the urban areas
> > however...yikes
>
> Do you think that the Highlands of Scotland are teeming with traffic?
Nope - however we have some pretty incredibly empty spaces here - with
interstates running thru them - even using interstate numbers is going
to give you a misleading look at "average" road densities -
particularly if you're using any sort of length figure rather than a
mean urban concentration level of hell.
> Anyway, what Americans think of as busy is a road at 3AM in the UK.
Having spent many an hour parked on the Dan Ryan in Chicago, I'll
simply laugh at this comment.