Frank Clair Stadium
Krammerhead
read on a website for another sport that there are plans to install
natural grass in Frank Clair Stadium in the next couple of years.
Anybody heard anything?
Krammerhead
G McCOY
One of the events will be soccer. According to international soccer rules
games must be played on grass.
Krammerhead wrote in message <3780EB...@infoserve.net>...
Krammerhead
>
> In 2001 or thereabouts Ottawa will be hosting the Franco-Phone games.
>
> One of the events will be soccer. According to international soccer rules
> games must be played on grass.
As should football.
Krammerhead
Ravi Ramkissoonsingh
> Excuse me if this has already been discussed and I missed it but I just
> read on a website for another sport that there are plans to install
> natural grass in Frank Clair Stadium in the next couple of years.
> Anybody heard anything?
> Krammerhead
Natural grass will be put back into Frank Clair Stadium for the 2001
Francophone Games. If a new CFL team takes the field in Ottawa, they will
reap the benefits from playing on the new natural grass.
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Ravi Ramkissoonsingh
M.A. Student, Department of Psychology
Carleton University
Ottawa, Ontario
Email address: rram...@ccs.carleton.ca
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Krammerhead
The Canadian Soccer Association is also touting it as a new Canadian
National soccer stadium.
Krammerhead
Julio
>read on a website for another sport that there are plans to install
>natural grass in Frank Clair Stadium in the next couple of years.
>Anybody heard anything?
>
>Krammerhead
Speaking of Stadiums and natural grass, I think it's about time BC Place
used natural grass. Anyway BC Place has new artificial turf this season,
but it still is as deadly as the old "Turf of Doom"
Sincerely,
Julio "The BC Lions Fan"
Krammerhead
That was new turf? Hell I didn't even notice. The paint job on the
field is still as crappy as ever with the wimpy dairyland logo
dominating the end zones as usual.
Krammerhead
Ted Soutar
With no apologies to Elsie Wayne, if the House of Commons needs to
debate something football-related, I say let them propose a bill to
outlaw artificial turf north of the 49th, instead of whining about a
deal worth under a million bucks to "get the players to where the flag".
Ravi Ramkissoonsingh wrote:
>
> Krammerhead (kwa...@infoserve.net) wrote:
> > Excuse me if this has already been discussed and I missed it but I just
> > read on a website for another sport that there are plans to install
> > natural grass in Frank Clair Stadium in the next couple of years.
> > Anybody heard anything?
>
> > Krammerhead
>
Kirk Dooley
doesn't grow indoors (the grass in the Astrodome died--which is why Astroturf
came into play). The new retractable-roofed stadia (i.e. Bank One Ballpark and
Safeco Field) leave the roof open until before game time (in the case of the
BOB, it takes about 2 hours for the AC to really have an effect) or rain in the
case of Safeco (where the roof is in effect an umbrella over what normally would
be an outdoor ballpark). Even the special grass the Diamondbacks tried last year
died in the places where there was mostly shade (near the foul poles).
--
Kirk Dooley
Mesa, AZ
"Make something idiot-proof, and someone will invent a better idiot."
Julio wrote in message ...
>
>Krammerhead wrote in message <3780EB...@infoserve.net>...
>>Excuse me if this has already been discussed and I missed it but I just
>>read on a website for another sport that there are plans to install
>>natural grass in Frank Clair Stadium in the next couple of years.
>>Anybody heard anything?
>>
>>Krammerhead
>
Julio
Krammerhead wrote in message <378292...@infoserve.net>...
>Julio wrote:
>>
>> Krammerhead wrote in message <3780EB...@infoserve.net>...
>> >Excuse me if this has already been discussed and I missed it but I just
>> >read on a website for another sport that there are plans to install
>> >natural grass in Frank Clair Stadium in the next couple of years.
>> >Anybody heard anything?
>> >
>> >Krammerhead
>>
>> Speaking of Stadiums and natural grass, I think it's about time BC Place
>> used natural grass. Anyway BC Place has new artificial turf this season,
>> but it still is as deadly as the old "Turf of Doom"
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Julio "The BC Lions Fan"
>
>field is still as crappy as ever with the wimpy dairyland logo
>dominating the end zones as usual.
>
>Krammerhead
Yeah that is new turf. It's greener, cleaner and thicker than the one used
last season.
You're right about the Dairy Land logo being in the end zone though. In my
opinion instead of the BC Lions logo being in between the 5 and 10 yard
line, it should be in the end zone, and then put the Dairy land logo in
between the 5 and 10 yard line. That Dairy Land logo in the end zone sure
is confusing. Last year there were these two guys who came up from Seattle
to watch the American Bowl, and then decided to stay a few days and watch
the BC Lions play. Do you know what they asked me. "What's the name of
your football team, The Vancouver Dairy Lands?"
Dennis Prouse
>Speaking of Stadiums and natural grass, I think it's about time BC Place
>used natural grass.
Will never happen. The floor is used extensively for things like
trade shows, events that make money for the stadium. Secondly, the
cost for a retractable roof would be in the neighbourhood of $75
million, and I don't see a line-up of investors waiting to get in on
that deal.
> Anyway BC Place has new artificial turf this season,
>but it still is as deadly as the old "Turf of Doom"
>
It's not new -- I was just talking to a guy who works at the stadium,
and apparently it has just been cleaned and re-painted, adding those
fat sideline marks for fan appeal.
Krammerhead
There is nothing appealing about paint job on the field at BC place.
Krammerhead
Dennis Prouse
wrote:
>
>There is nothing appealing about paint job on the field at BC place.
>
Maybe the workers misread the instructions, and thought it said,
"Appalling". :-)
Krammerhead
Probably. It looks like the paint job was done by pre-schoolers.
Especially the maple leaf logos in the end zone. It looks like home boy
wanna bees painted the rest of the football field. I know it may sound
like nit picking, but if the field was at least painted in a
proffesional way it might be more interesting. The numbers painted on
the field are poor cardboard stencil cut outs and makes the team look
bush league.
Krammerhead
Steve Marskell
Krammerhead wrote:
> proffesional way it might be more interesting. The numbers painted on
> the field are poor cardboard stencil cut outs and makes the team look
> bush league.
>
you were expecting the new-fandangle computer generated (image enhanced)
robo-painting machine would be used?
Krammerhead
No I was expecting something different. The paint job on the field has
been the same since the day the dome opened. I don't know maybe
something like in Hamilton where the numbers and lines on the field are
painted in team colours. Something with a little creativity that shows
that there is some thought to presenting the game on the field. The
field at BC place tells me that "Hey, lets slap down some field markings
and get it over with. This isn't a major sport anyway."
Krammerhead
John Gilman
Subject: nebraska stadium deal is completed!
http://www.journalstar.com:80/stories/spt/sto1
http://omaha.com/Omaha/OWH/StoryViewer/1,3153,184580,00.html
re lansdowne park
a Canadian firm had to market its technology in
the USA, before anyone
would listen up here. well we've done it. the
city of ottawa is well aware
of fieldturf (http://www.fieldturf.com). so is
kevan pipe of the
canadian soccer association.
I'd be interested to here more from any interested members of this newsgroup
regards
john gilman
Saturday, Jul. 10, 1999
Sports headlines
NU switches to FieldTurf
NU switches to FieldTurf
BY STEVEN M. SIPPLE Lincoln Journal Star
Nebraska football players will land on a much softer
artificial surface this season.
University officials on Friday announced plans to install
FieldTurf in the stadium and in the
Cook Pavilion indoor practice facility. FieldTurf Midwest,
based in Nebraska City, is
tentatively scheduled to begin work Monday in Cook
Pavilion.
Each project will take about three weeks to complete,
meaning the first few days of
Nebraska's fall camp, scheduled to begin Aug. 7, will be
held in Cook Pavilion and on the
outdoor practice fields while work in Memorial Stadium is
being completed.
Memorial Stadium has featured conventional Astro-Turf
since 1970. Nebraska now
becomes the first collegiate program to feature FieldTurf,
a soft, grass-like surface that
includes a patented fill made of ground recycled rubber
and silica sand.
Nebraska senior offensive tackle Adam Julch and other
Huskers have practiced on
FieldTurf since it was installed in Schulte Fieldhouse in
May.
"It's a lot nicer to land on," Julch said. "It doesn't
give you turf burns, and it's easier on the
joints, which is always nice." Nebraska Coach Frank Solich
enthusiastically supports the
switch, saying he likes the softer landings.
"Yet I think it plays faster than grass," Solich said. "It
probably plays somewhere between
grass and turf, but that remains to be seen." Some other
advantages of FieldTurf:
Former Nebraska coach Tom Osborne, a national spokesman
for the surface, has said
studies show far fewer lower-extremity injuries, such as
torn knee ligaments, on FieldTurf.
Said Solich, whose team was rocked by injuries last
season: "If we wouldn't have changed
anything and then had another bunch of injuries this
season, it would have been tough for me
to live with myself." Players can wear virtually any type
of shoe on FieldTurf. Julch, for
instance, loathes wearing cleats and will wear a flat-
soled shoe. NU I-back DeAngelo
Evans, meanwhile, plans to wear cleats.
The timing for a change was right, because Memorial
Stadium's seven-year-old Astro-Turf
was scheduled to be replaced before the 2000 season.
The price was right. Funding for the Memorial Stadium
project is estimated at $248,000,
while installation of FieldTurf at Seacrest Field,
scheduled to be completed Wednesday,
costs roughly $750,000.
James Gerking, president of FieldTurf Midwest, said the
university project is less expensive
because a deal was worked out in which his company will
receive the turf that currently
exists in Memorial Stadium and Cook Pavilion.
"We believe fans will want a piece of that turf, and we
plan to market it through another
local company," Gerking said. "We'll try to recoup our
costs, and anything above that will go
to a charity that Tom (Osborne) will pick out." John
Ingram, NU director of athletic
facilities, said Nebraska officials "looked at
everything," including natural grass, during their
evaluation of surfaces. He said there's risk in any
product.
"The main thing is that the field is ready to be
replaced," Ingram said. "Eight years is about as
long as you can go on an artificial field based on our
experience. With FieldTurf, we don't
know." Said Nebraska Athletic Director Bill Byrne: "We
believe (FieldTurf) wil be the next
generation of turf used in college athletics." Memorial
Stadium featured a grass surface from
its opening in 1923 through the 1969 season. Astro-Turf
was first installed in 1970 and
replaced in 1977. Artificial All-Pro Turf was installed in
1984 before being replaced with the
current Astroturf-8 system in 1992.
Published Saturday
July 10, 1999
NU Football: Memorial Stadium to Get New Turf After
Shrine Bowl
BY MITCH SHERMAN
WORLD-HERALD BUREAU
Lincoln - Natural grass or AstroTurf? The debate has
raged for
years.
On Friday, University of Nebraska officials said "No
thanks" to
both options, reaching an agreement to become the
nation's first
Division I school with FieldTurf in its football stadium.
The two- to three-week process begins Monday to install
the
synthetic surface at Cook Pavilion. And after the July 24
Shrine
Bowl, a FieldTurf crew will quickly place it at Memorial
Stadium as
the Aug. 7 start of Nebraska's fall camp nears. On both
sides of the deal, all involved seemed
ecstatic Friday.
"I am very happy about it," said Nebraska Coach Frank
Solich, who may spend the opening
days of practice next month with his team at Cook
Pavilion as the stadium work concludes.
"There is no question that this is a big step, but we
have done a lot of homework. We've got
nothing but excellent reports back from our players on
it, and even though it's a little
unknown, the pluses far outweigh the minuses."
In picking neither conventional turf nor grass, NU
essentially gets the benefits of both.
FieldTurf's supporters bill it as nearly identical to
grass in its quality of play. The 21/2-inch
slick-feeling blades - a combination of polyethylene and
polypropylene - rest on a
200,000-pound base of cryogenically ground scrap-tire
rubber and silica sand.
FieldTurf provides the safety and comfort of a grass
field, Solich said, and the durability and
low maintenance of carpet-like artificial turf, which has
been a staple at Memorial Stadium
since 1970. Cook Pavilion, an indoor practice facility,
opened in 1987 with artificial turf.
Before Friday's final decision, NU tested FieldTurf for
about a month at the Schulte
Fieldhouse under the north stadium. In addition, Solich
visited FieldTurf stadiums in Denver
and Amarillo, Texas. John Ingram, Nebraska's director of
athletic facilities, has also seen
several FieldTurf playing surfaces.
The two new surfaces cost $248,000 to install after a
trade of the Huskers' current
AstroTurf-8. The Touchdown Club of Nebraska has funded
the project. NU planned to
replace the seven-year-old turf at Memorial Stadium after
the 1999 season. But since the
university's fiscal year began this month, a July
installation does not alter the department's
budget.
FieldTurf comes with an eight-year warranty, Ingram said,
no different from AstroTurf.
"FieldTurf is a state-of-the-art surface," NU Athletic
Director Bill Byrne said in a press
release. "We found it to be less abrasive than other
natural surfaces, and it looks and feels
like grass. We believe it will be the next generation of
turf used in college athletics."
Nebraska's interest in FieldTurf appeared to begin
shortly after former Football Coach Tom
Osborne endorsed the surface in January. Osborne, who
viewed a FieldTurf stadium in
Monongahela, Pa., last December, serves as a spokesman
for the product. He holds a
position on the advisory board for SynTenniCo Inc., the
Montreal-based parent company of
FieldTurf.
About 35 outdoor fields - from Great Britain to Hong Kong
to Division III North Park University
in Chicago - have either installed the surface or plan to
play on it soon. Work to install
FieldTurf at Seacrest Field in Lincoln will be completed
next week.
FieldTurf is also used for soccer, baseball, tennis and
golf. Plants in Dalton, Ga., and
Montreal produce the material. The ground tires come from
EnTire Recycling Inc. in Nebraska
City.
"This is a major step," said James Gerking, president of
FieldTurf Midwest out of Nebraska
City. "When Nebraska decides that they want to play on
it, it's a tremendous boost for the
FieldTurf system."
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John Gilman
no1
demostrate a rug in Canada -- why didn't you blow the price
away for the new rug in Calgary, using it as a loss leader?
As far as Ottawa goes, they'll need REAL grass if they ever
want to play International soccer games there. NO ARTIFICIAL
turf, no matter how good. Even if it was better than grass
FIFA wouldn't change their policy for years and years!
On Sun, 11 Jul 1999 02:58:47 -0800, jgi...@minet.ca (John
Gilman) wrote:
:Saturday, July 10, 1999 4:09 PM
jgi...@minet.ca
1. I did offer macmahon stadium, Fieldturf for
about $400,000 cdn less than they paid for
the same dreaded astroturf, they had for about
8 years.
2. what I was trying to get across, is that we
canadians, always seem to embrace non-canadian
products, until they make a name for
themselves outside of canada.
I'll explain the trials and tribulations,
we've had to go through without anybody in a
position to test it in canada. except 1
person, kevan pipe coo of the canadian
soccer association.
3. furthermore, you are dead wrong about FIFA
not allowing a world cup match to be played
on an artificial surface. they will never
allow a game to be played on astroturf.
but they already had their technical
committee test, and they have approved
Fieldturf.
4. we are close to finalizing our deal with
FIFA and its agency ISL.
5. that's why it will be perfect for all
multi-purpose stadiums around the world.
john gilman
In article <378ce5cc.5864030@news>,
n...@nospam.com (no1) wrote:
> Take your ads to a forsale NG! If you really
wanted to
> demostrate a rug in Canada -- why didn't you
blow the price
> away for the new rug in Calgary, using it as a
loss leader?
>
> As far as Ottawa goes, they'll need REAL grass
if they ever
> want to play International soccer games there.
NO ARTIFICIAL
> turf, no matter how good. Even if it was better
than grass
> FIFA wouldn't change their policy for years and
years!
>
> On Sun, 11 Jul 1999 02:58:47 -0800,
jgi...@minet.ca (John
> Gilman) wrote:
>
> :Saturday, July 10, 1999 4:09 PM
> :Subject: nebraska stadium deal is completed!
> :
> :
> :
> :http://www.journalstar.com:80/stories/spt/sto1
> :
>
:http://omaha.com/Omaha/OWH/StoryViewer/1,3153,184
580,00.html
> :
In article <378ce5cc.5864030@news>,
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Saskfan in Winnipeg
jgi...@minet.ca wrote in message <7mbeae$9ct$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>hey no1
>
>1. I did offer macmahon stadium, Fieldturf for
> about $400,000 cdn less than they paid for
> the same dreaded astroturf, they had for about
> 8 years.
>2. what I was trying to get across, is that we
> canadians, always seem to embrace non-canadian
> products, until they make a name for
> themselves outside of canada.
> I'll explain the trials and tribulations,
> we've had to go through without anybody in a
> position to test it in canada. except 1
> person, kevan pipe coo of the canadian
> soccer association.
Give the City of Regina and the Saskatchewan Roughriders a call. They
intend to replace their turf after this season (at least, that's the story!)
I'm sure they wouldn't mind a deal.
Jim Wolf aka Saskfan in Winnipeg
no1
:hey no1
:
:1. I did offer macmahon stadium, Fieldturf for
: about $400,000 cdn less than they paid for
: the same dreaded astroturf, they had for about
: 8 years.
I thought they got something different/better than the old
astroturf, something supposed to be about the same as field
turf. Don't know why they would try you, guess your next
point answers that though.
:2. what I was trying to get across, is that we
: canadians, always seem to embrace non-canadian
: products, until they make a name for
: themselves outside of canada.
: I'll explain the trials and tribulations,
: we've had to go through without anybody in a
: position to test it in canada. except 1
: person, kevan pipe coo of the canadian
: soccer association.
:3. furthermore, you are dead wrong about FIFA
: not allowing a world cup match to be played
: on an artificial surface. they will never
: allow a game to be played on astroturf.
: but they already had their technical
: committee test, and they have approved
: Fieldturf.
Hmmm, this sounds interesting. There's a whole lot of stadia
in Scotland that suffer from wet grounds/ waterlogged
grounds etc that could use a replacement for grass fields --
if it really works.
:4. we are close to finalizing our deal with
: FIFA and its agency ISL.
Good luck
:5. that's why it will be perfect for all
: multi-purpose stadiums around the world.
Again, good luck
:
:john gilman
jgi...@minet.ca
tks for the nice comments
will embed
john
In article <378b7fc5.45286712@news>,
n...@nospam.com (no1) wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Jul 1999 00:53:38 GMT, jgi...@minet.ca wrote:
>
> :hey no1
> :
> :1. I did offer macmahon stadium, Fieldturf for
> : about $400,000 cdn less than they paid for
> : the same dreaded astroturf, they had for about
> : 8 years.
> I thought they got something different/better than the old
> astroturf, something supposed to be about the same as field
> turf. Don't know why they would try you, guess your next
> point answers that though.
astroturf has been around for 32 years. players have been getting hurt
on it from day one, careers shortened and unfortunately like garrison
hearst ended in a flash. what macmahon stadium got was astroturf 12 xl
the same as giants stadium, which was rated as one of the worst.
definitely one of the most abrasive versions of astroturf ever.
but the good folks at macmahon had 2 worries about fieldturf.
1. how would they get the snow off?
we explained in the same way as you take it off astroturf. they are
both synthetic, so don't let the plow touch the turf.
they were comfortable with the snow removal on astroturf, so could
not "move" them on that point.
2. history; they had astroturf in for 8 years and it lasted!
well I guess bad history doesn't count.
they claimed we were too new.
we've only been around for 12 years. guess that was not
good enough.
> :2. what I was trying to get across, is that we
> : canadians, always seem to embrace non-canadian
> : products, until they make a name for
> : themselves outside of canada.
> : I'll explain the trials and tribulations,
> : we've had to go through without anybody in a
> : position to test it in canada. except 1
> : person, kevan pipe coo of the canadian
> : soccer association.
> :3. furthermore, you are dead wrong about FIFA
> : not allowing a world cup match to be played
> : on an artificial surface. they will never
> : allow a game to be played on astroturf.
> : but they already had their technical
> : committee test, and they have approved
> : Fieldturf.
> Hmmm, this sounds interesting. There's a whole lot of stadia
> in Scotland that suffer from wet grounds/ waterlogged
> grounds etc that could use a replacement for grass fields --
> if it really works.
we've already put in training fields at st.johnstone f.c. & at
motherwell f.c. & hampden park,national stadium and shortly at
dundee united. so scotland is well covered.
our website has all the installations listed
> :4. we are close to finalizing our deal with
> : FIFA and its agency ISL.
> Good luck
> :5. that's why it will be perfect for all
> : multi-purpose stadiums around the world.
> Again, good luck
> :
> :john gilman
>
>
Jeremy M. Draude
Saskfan in Winnipeg <roughri...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:o4ei3.789$Zm.5...@typhoon.mbnet.mb.ca...
> Give the City of Regina and the Saskatchewan Roughriders a call. They
> intend to replace their turf after this season (at least, that's the
story!)
you mean they are going to get rid of the ice-turf they have now?!??!!?
please get grass please get grass please get grass please get grass please
get grass please get grass please get grass please get grass please get
grass please get grass please get grass please get grass please get grass
please get grass please get grass please get grass please get grass please
get grass please get grass please get grass please get grass please get
grass please get grass please get grass please get grass please get grass
please get grass please get grass please get grass please get grass please
get grass please get grass please get grass please get grass please get
grass please get grass please get grass please get grass please get grass
Jeremy M. Draude
Official Person, Dan Farthing Fan Club
http://www3.sk.sympatico.ca/wilger/dandan
Saskfan in Winnipeg
Jeremy M. Draude wrote in message ...
>
>Saskfan in Winnipeg <roughri...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:o4ei3.789$Zm.5...@typhoon.mbnet.mb.ca...
>> Give the City of Regina and the Saskatchewan Roughriders a call. They
>> intend to replace their turf after this season (at least, that's the
>story!)
>
>you mean they are going to get rid of the ice-turf they have now?!??!!?
>
>please get grass please get grass please get grass please get grass please
No grass. The field is used too much for other events.
They spoke of replacing the turf last year. Target date: 2000.
We can always dream, especially after how Regina shafted the Riders last
time when it came to replacing turf.
Cosmicthing
do, its a small, white one.
Have a nice day :^D,
Sean McQuillan
Port Moody