1995 CFL Complete Schedule.
Deryck Velasquez
the Canadian league and plan to attend at least one game. Some small
changes to the schedule and the TV schedule may follow.
Veteran training camps are currently underway as of June 4th, 1995.
CFL Rescources:
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Saskatchewan Offical Team Page: http://spider.regina.ism.ca/rider/index.htm
1995 CFL Schedule:
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Some small additional modifications may be made to accomodate local
area events.
Please note that starting times are local times! Please check
your local listings for the starting time in your area.
In addition, the TV schedule is not "set in stone". Different
games may be televised, other than those indicated, especially
those with serious playoff consequences towards the end of the
regular season.
1995 CFL Schedule.
PRE-SEASON
DATE TEAMS TIME TV
Tues. June 13 B.C. at Edmonton 7:30 p.m.
Thurs. June 15 Toronto at Hamilton 7:30 p.m.
Fri. June 16 Winnipeg at Saskatchewan 7:30 p.m.
Fri. June 16 Birmingham at Shreveport 7:30 p.m.
Sat. June 17 Ottawa at Baltimore 7:30 p.m.
Sat. June 17 Calgary at B.C. 7:30 p.m.
Sat. June 17 San Antonio at Memphis 7:30 p.m.
Thurs. June 22 Memphis at Ottawa 7:30 p.m.
Thurs. June 22 Hamilton at Winnipeg 7:30 p.m.
Thurs. June 22 Edmonton at Calgary 7:30 p.m.
Sat. June 24 Saskatchewan at Toronto 1:30 p.m.
Sat. June 24 Shreveport at San Antonio 7:30 p.m.
Sat. June 24 Baltimore at Birmingham 7:00 p.m.
REGULAR SEASON
Wed. June 28 Winnipeg at Ottawa 7:30 p.m. TSN
Thurs. June 29 Memphis at Calgary 7:00 p.m. ESPN2
Fri. June 30 Hamilton at Saskatchewan 7:30 p.m.
Fri. June 30 Baltimore at B.C. 7:30 p.m. TSN
Sat. July 1 Toronto at Edmonton 1:30 p.m. TSN
Sat. July 1 San Antonio at Shreveport 7:30 p.m.
Tues. July 4 Birmingham at Winnipeg 7:30 p.m.
Thurs. July 6 Ottawa at Toronto 7:00 p.m. TSN
Fri. July 7 Edmonton at Saskatchewan 7:30 p.m. TSN
Fri. July 7 B.C. at Memphis 7:30 p.m.
Sat. July 8 Birmingham at Hamilton 7:30 p.m.
Sat. July 8 San Antonio at Baltimore 7:30 p.m.
Sat. July 8 Calgary at Shreveport 7:00 p.m. TSN/ESPN2
Thurs. July 13 Calgary at Ottawa 7:00 p.m. TSN/ESPN2
Thurs. July 13 Shreveport at Winnipeg 7:30 p.m.
Thurs. July 13 Toronto at B.C. 7:30 p.m.
Fri. July 14 Saskatchewan at Memphis 7:30 p.m. TSN
Sat. July 15 Hamilton at Birmingham 7:00 p.m. TSN
Sat. July 15 Baltimore at San Antonio 7:00 p.m. ESPN
Mon. July 17 Shreveport at Edmonton 7:30 p.m.
Wed. July 19 Memphis at Ottawa 7:30 p.m.
Fri. July 21 B.C. at Calgary 7:00 p.m. TSN/ESPN2
Sat. July 22 Edmonton at San Antonio 7:30 p.m.
Sat. July 22 Winnipeg at Baltimore 7:30 p.m. ESPN
Sat. July 22 Toronto at Shreveport 7:00 p.m. TSN
Sat. July 22 Saskatchewan at Birmingham 7:00 p.m.
Mon. July 24 Memphis at Hamilton 7:30 p.m. TSN
Wed. July 26 San Antonio at Winnipeg 7:30 p.m.
Thurs. July 27 Ottawa at B.C. 7:30 p.m. TSN
Fri. July 28 Edmonton at Hamilton 7:30 p.m. TSN
Fri. July 28 Shreveport at Calgary 7:30 p.m.
Sat. July 29 Toronto at Memphis 7:30 p.m. TSN
Sat. July 29 Baltimore at Birmingham 7:00 p.m. ESPN2
Sun. July 30 San Antonio at Saskatchewan 2:00 p.m.
Wed. Aug. 2 Baltimore at Edmonton 7:30 p.m.
Thurs. Aug. 3 Hamilton at Toronto 7:30 p.m.
Thurs. Aug. 3 Birmingham at B.C. 7:30 p.m.
Fri. Aug. 4 Saskatchewan at Ottawa 7:30 p.m. TSN
Sat. Aug. 5 Memphis at San Antonio 2:00 p.m.
Sat. Aug. 5 Winnipeg at Shreveport 7:00 p.m. TSN/ESPN2
Sun. Aug. 6 Baltimore at Calgary 2:30 p.m. TSN
Wed. Aug. 9 Edmonton at Toronto 7:30 p.m. TSN
Wed. Aug. 9 B.C. at Saskatchewan 7:30 p.m.
Fri. Aug. 11 Shreveport at Hamilton 7:30 p.m. TSN
Sat. Aug. 12 Calgary at San Antonio 2:00 p.m. TSN
Sat. Aug. 12 Memphis at Baltimore 7:30 p.m. ESPN2
Sat. Aug. 12 Winnipeg at Birmingham 7:00 p.m.
Sun. Aug. 13 Edmonton at Ottawa 4:30 p.m.
Mon. Aug. 14 B.C. at Toronto 7:30 p.m. TSN
Fri. Aug. 18 B.C. at Winnipeg 7:30 p.m. TSN
Fri. Aug. 18 Birmingham at Calgary 7:30 p.m. ESPN2
Fri. Aug. 18 Saskatchewan at Edmonton 7:30 p.m.
Fri. Aug. 18 Ottawa at Shreveport 7:30 p.m.
Sat. Aug. 19 San Antonio at Hamilton 7:30 p.m. TSN
Sat. Aug. 19 Baltimore at Memphis 7:30 p.m.
Wed. Aug. 23 Ottawa at Saskatchewan 7:00 p.m. TSN
Fri. Aug. 25 Hamilton at Winnipeg 7:30 p.m. TSN
Sat. Aug. 26 Shreveport at B.C. 7:30 p.m.
Sat. Aug. 26 Toronto at Baltimore 4:00 p.m. TSN
Sat. Aug. 26 San Antonio at Memphis 7:30 p.m.
Sat. Aug. 26 Calgary at Birmingham 7:00 p.m. ESPN2
Sun. Aug. 27 Ottawa at Edmonton 2:30 p.m. TSN
Fri. Sept. 1 Birmingham at Ottawa 7:30 p.m. TSN/ESPN2
Sat. Sept. 2 Baltimore at Hamilton 8:00 p.m. CBC
Sun. Sept. 3 Winnipeg at Saskatchewan 2:00 p.m.
Sun. Sept. 3 Memphis at Shreveport 7:00 p.m.
Mon. Sept. 4 San Antonio at Toronto 6:00 p.m. CBC
Mon. Sept. 4 Edmonton at Calgary 1:00 p.m. CBC
Fri. Sept. 8 Calgary at Edmonton 7:30 p.m. TSN/ESPN2
Sat. Sept. 9 B.C. at Ottawa 4:30 p.m. CBC
Sat. Sept. 9 Toronto at Hamilton 8:00 p.m.
Sat. Sept. 9 Birmingham at Baltimore 7:30 p.m.
Sun. Sept. 10 Saskatchewan at Winnipeg 12:00 p.m. CBC
Sun. Sept. 10 Shreveport at Memphis 2:30 p.m.
Fri. Sept. 15 Winnipeg at Edmonton 7:30 p.m. TSN
Fri. Sept. 15 Baltimore at Shreveport 7:00 p.m. ESPN2
Sat. Sept. 16 Hamilton at B.C. 7:30 p.m. TSN
Sat. Sept. 16 Toronto at San Antonio 7:00 p.m. CBC
Sun. Sept. 17 Memphis at Saskatchewan 2:00 p.m.
Sun. Sept. 17 Ottawa at Birmingham 12:30 p.m. CBC
Tues. Sept. 19 Winnipeg at Calgary 7:00 p.m. ESPN2
Fri. Sept. 22 Edmonton at B.C. 7:30 p.m. TSN
Sat. Sept. 23 Saskatchewan at Toronto 8:00 p.m. CBC
Sat. Sept. 23 Hamilton at San Antonio 3:00 p.m. TSN
Sat. Sept. 23 Shreveport at Baltimore 7:30 p.m.
Sun. Sept. 24 Calgary at Winnipeg 1:00 p.m. CBC
Sun. Sept. 24 Birmingham at Memphis 2:30 p.m.
Fri. Sept. 29 Winnipeg at Hamilton 7:30 p.m. TSN/ESPN2
Sat. Sept. 30 San Antonio at Ottawa 1:30 p.m. TSN
Sat. Sept. 30 Toronto at Calgary 6:00 p.m. CBC
Sun. Oct. 1 Baltimore at Saskatchewan 2:00 p.m. ESPN2
Sun. Oct. 1 B.C. at Edmonton 1:00 p.m. CBC
Sun. Oct. 1 Shreveport at Birmingham 3:00 p.m.
Sat. Oct. 7 Saskatchewan at Baltimore 2:00 p.m. CBC
Sat. Oct. 7 Hamilton at Shreveport 3:00 p.m. TSN
Sun. Oct. 8 Ottawa at Memphis 1:00 p.m. CBC
Sun. Oct. 8 San Antonio at Birmingham 3:00 p.m.
Mon. Oct. 9 Winnipeg at Toronto 7:00 p.m. CBC
Mon. Oct. 9 Calgary at B.C. 1:00 p.m. CBC/ESPN2
Thurs. Oct. 12 Ottawa at San Antonio 7:30 p.m.
Fri. Oct. 13 Memphis at Edmonton 7:30 p.m. TSN
Fri. Oct. 13 Birmingham at Shreveport 7:00 p.m. ESPN2
Sat. Oct. 14 Toronto at Winnipeg 7:00 p.m. TSN
Sat. Oct. 14 Calgary at Saskatchewan 1:00 p.m. CBC
Sun. Oct. 15 B.C. at Hamilton 1:30 p.m. CBC
Thurs. Oct. 19 Shreveport at San Antonio 7:30 p.m.
Fri. Oct. 20 Memphis at Toronto 7:30 p.m. TSN/ESPN2
Fri. Oct. 20 Edmonton at Birmingham 7:30 p.m.
Sat. Oct. 21 Hamilton at Ottawa 1:30 p.m. CBC
Sat. Oct. 21 B.C. at Baltimore 7:30 p.m. TSN
Sun. Oct. 22 Saskatchewan at Calgary 1:00 p.m. CBC
Thurs. Oct. 26 Edmonton at Memphis 7:00 p.m. TSN/ESPN
Fri. Oct. 27 Calgary at Toronto 7:30 p.m. TSN/ESPN2
Sat. Oct. 28 Saskatchewan at B.C. 7:30 p.m. TSN
Sun. Oct. 29 Hamilton at Baltimore 2:00 p.m. CBC
Sun. Oct. 29 Ottawa at Winnipeg 2:00 p.m. CBC
Sun. Oct. 29 Birmingham at San Antonio 7:30 p.m.
PLAYOFFS
Divisional semi-finals:
Sat. Nov. 4
Sat. Nov. 4
Sun. Nov. 5
Sun. Nov. 5
Divisional finals:
Sun. Nov. 12
Grey Cup Championship:
Sun. Nov. 19 in Regina, Saskatchewan 5:30 p.m. CBC
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Deryck.
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Eric Davis
> CFL ? So Soon? I guess this means that professional football can't be far off!
> GO BILLS!
Hey, they are thinking of giving toronto a NFL team. If that
happens kiss the CFL goodbye!
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Eric Davis
Carleton University
Suicide is a way of saying to God, you cant fire me... I QUIT!
"And now I think I'm sick
and I wanna go home" - Green Day
A sucking chest wound is nature's way of saying you should slow down!
Eric Sieferman
Eric Davis <eda...@chat.carleton.ca> wrote:
>John Austin (jau...@bnr.ca) wrote:
>
>> CFL ? So Soon? I guess this means that professional football can't be far off!
>
>> GO BILLS!
>
> Hey, they are thinking of giving toronto a NFL team. If that
>happens kiss the CFL goodbye!
Especially if the CFL keeps drafting dead guys.
Jon Claude Joseph Leblanc
Eric Sieferman <sief...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
>In article <D9rEo...@cunews.carleton.ca>,
>Eric Davis <eda...@chat.carleton.ca> wrote:
>>John Austin (jau...@bnr.ca) wrote:
Hey, you guys are clever! Oh, what scintillating repartee! What
cogent analysis! Brilliant! <yes, I'm being sarcastic> There is
a problem, however: you are spamming several groups with this
stuff. One of the groups, rec.sport.football.canadian, is devoted
to discussion of Canadian football, whether at the CFL or
University level. Since your posts have been obviously
disparaging of the CFL, I must wonder why you would bother to
post to r.s.f.c. at all. Are you spam/trolling? We on r.s.f.c.
get many visitors from NFL groups and we enjoy having INTELLIGENT
DISCUSSIONS with the better writers. Further, it seems to me that
if I was not particularly amenable to the focus subject of a
Usenet group, I wouldn't post to it, but that's just my ethics.
I have to assume that all of you who have added to this thread
are trolling, but lets look at some other possibilities:
What other purpose could this thread serve? If you are trying
to dissuade CFL fans from following their sport, I don't see
how this thread would accomplish that. If you are implying
that the NFL is better than the CFL, that's your opinion, but
it won't go anywhere with CFL fans so it is pointless to rehash
a topic that never achieves resolution. Since such a topic has
been copiously debated by CFL and NFL fans, I have to take this
as evidence that you do not and have not read r.s.f.c. That would
be proof of trolling if it is so.
Perhaps you simply want to aggravate people, in which case you
are certainly spam/trolling, which puts you on a level with
mischievous children. If so, then go back to your sandboxes and
don't forget to wash your hands before dinner.
If you wish to refute any of my observations, I'll be eagerly
awaiting evidence that you wish to have an intelligent
discussion. Don't disappoint me.
--
Jon LeBlanc Or @ (University of Calgary)
leb...@freenet.calgary.ab.ca jcjl...@acs.ucalgary.ca
Calgary, Alberta, Canada, Earth 51 04'48" North, 114 07'55" West
Eric Sieferman
Jon Claude Joseph Leblanc <jcjl...@acs.ucalgary.ca> wrote:
>In article <3r227v$p...@nntp4.u.washington.edu>,
>Eric Sieferman <sief...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
>>In article <D9rEo...@cunews.carleton.ca>,
>>Eric Davis <eda...@chat.carleton.ca> wrote:
>>>John Austin (jau...@bnr.ca) wrote:
>
>Hey, you guys are clever! Oh, what scintillating repartee! What
>cogent analysis! Brilliant!
Why, thank you.
<yes, I'm being sarcastic>
The sarcasm part must not have made it past the border.
>There is
>a problem, however: you are spamming several groups with this
>stuff. One of the groups, rec.sport.football.canadian, is devoted
>to discussion of Canadian football, whether at the CFL or
>University level. Since your posts have been obviously
>disparaging of the CFL, I must wonder why you would bother to
>post to r.s.f.c. at all. Are you spam/trolling?
I'm reading this on rec.sport.baseball. Some moron thought it would be
cool to post the ENTIRE CFL schedule here, and other places as well.
Some people ignore such misposted messages; others, like me, have a
weakness that compels us to play ping-pong with them.
Blake Claydon
> > Hey, they are thinking of giving toronto a NFL team. If that
> >happens kiss the CFL goodbye!
> Especially if the CFL keeps drafting dead guys.
That was just pathetic and it signifies why the CFL is a league with
one leg already 6 feet under.....
Blake
'Noles in '95
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Andy Fierens
: >>>John Austin (jau...@bnr.ca) wrote:
: >
>: Some people ignore such misposted messages; others, like me, have a
>: weakness that compels us to play ping-pong with them.
You clearly must have nothing better to do but start flame
wars, well have a nide day.
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Ravi Ramkissoonsingh
> > > Hey, they are thinking of giving toronto a NFL team. If that
> > >happens kiss the CFL goodbye!
> > Especially if the CFL keeps drafting dead guys.
> That was just pathetic and it signifies why the CFL is a league with
> one leg already 6 feet under.....
> Blake
It's funny that people have been making these disparaging remarks
about the CFL and predicting its demise for the last 40 years or so
and it is still very much alive and providing the most exciting pro
football in the world.
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Ravi Ramkissoonsingh
Department of Psychology
Carleton University
Ottawa, Ontario
Email address: rram...@ccs.carleton.ca
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Jonathan C. Enslin
>From: rram...@ccs.carleton.ca (Ravi Ramkissoonsingh)
>Subject: Re: 1995 CFL Complete Schedule.
>Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 04:27:43 GMT
>Blake Claydon (bcla...@chat.carleton.ca) wrote:
>> Eric Sieferman (sief...@u.washington.edu) wrote:
>
>> > > Hey, they are thinking of giving toronto a NFL team. If that
>> > >happens kiss the CFL goodbye!
>
>> > Especially if the CFL keeps drafting dead guys.
>
>> That was just pathetic and it signifies why the CFL is a league with
>> one leg already 6 feet under.....
>
>> Blake
>
> It's funny that people have been making these disparaging remarks
>about the CFL and predicting its demise for the last 40 years or so
>and it is still very much alive and providing the most exciting pro
>football in the world.
I find it even more amazing that people think "pinball football" is
exciting. The CFL will always be a fringe sports league - even in Canada.
Jon
Jon Claude Joseph Leblanc
Jonathan C. Enslin <deve...@amber.indstate.edu> wrote:
>In article <D9sCE...@cunews.carleton.ca>,
>rram...@ccs.carleton.ca (Ravi Ramkissoonsingh) writes:
>> It's funny that people have been making these disparaging remarks
>>about the CFL and predicting its demise for the last 40 years or so
>>and it is still very much alive and providing the most exciting pro
>>football in the world.
>
>I find it even more amazing that people think "pinball football" is
>exciting. The CFL will always be a fringe sports league - even in Canada.
"Pinball Football." I like that. It sounds exciting, like CFL
football! This, of course, beats the hell out of "Chess
Football," that game known to prevail in the NFL when the 49ers
are not playing.
My Webster's says that, among other things, to be "excited" is to
be "in a state of agitated elation." Does a ground rushing
saw-off move you to this state, Jon? When there are 3 minutes
left and fans are leaving the stadium because the rules forbid a
comeback, is that exciting? (It happens all to often in the NFL.)
On the other hand, when passes go flying, when entire backfields
go in motion, when linebackers can match NFL style recievers
step-for-step, when rushers have to elude 12 defenders, when every
second on the clock is crucial to the game and holds you pinned
to your seat, then THAT is certainly a state of agitated elation!
"Pinball Football" is far more exciting than "Chess Football."
Whether it is a "fringe" league to the NFL is irrelevent. More
Canadians watched the Grey Cup than the Super Bowl, so I
completely reject your assertion that the CFL is a fringe league
in Canada. What nonsense.
Doug Riblet
But I don't want to read about it in rec.sport.baseball forchrissakes!
Please note that I have deleted all but r.s.f.c from the
newsgroups line in the header before posting this response.
Simple netiquette, takes but a second, appreciate it if
y'all could kindly do the same. Or would you like to have
the latest installment of the "PETE ROSE BELONGS IN THE HALL
OF FAME!!!!!" thread accidentally cross-posted to your group?
Insert smileys to taste.
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dbri...@students.wisc.edu ** Veras Quilvio rather than Quilvio
(3 games) .222/.364/.222 ** Veras, wouldn'cha?" - Harry Caray
John P. Phillips
good analogy, and I sure enjoy the strategy aspect in NFL. I also
like to play pinball, and I can tell you fellas that Arena Football
is the pinball version of football, not CFL! Arena is fun and even more
fast-paced than CFL. If we're going to push this analogy, then I would
call CFL "checkers (draughts) football" I find CFL's style more simplistic
and one-dimensional, just the same way I feel about checkers. Some people
prefer checkers, that's okay with me, but nothing can top chess, the best
board game of them all, and I feel the same thing about NFL-style
football! I can't help but feel that if CFL was truly better than NFL,
then we wouldn't have CFL fans trying to convince people in r.s.f.p.
on that, they would look upon us with scorn laugh at our assertions about
NFL, and ignore us for the most part; basically the same way that we're
behaving towards them now.
Cowboys Forever!
John Paul Phillips
Dewey
that we hadn't started this again. So what if the original poster posted
it to the other groups, all you have to do is delete it, its a free
country anyone can say whatever anyone wants anywhere anyone wants, if
you don't want to read it, then delete it. If you want to keep ranting
and raving about mine is better than yours. I guess my delete key will
be getting a lot of use these next few days!
john
John Dewey (gop...@wam.umd.edu)
The University of Maryland at College Park - GO TERPS!!!
Big, Bad, and Blue! Baltimore CFL Colts Football!!!
Colin R. Leech
>>Are you spam/trolling?
>
>I'm reading this on rec.sport.baseball. Some moron thought it would be
>cool to post the ENTIRE CFL schedule here, and other places as well.
>weakness that compels us to play ping-pong with them.
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Ramesh Fernando
> I find it even more amazing that people think "pinball football" is
> exciting. The CFL will always be a fringe sports league - even in Canada.
I find it amazing that only Americans can critize the CFL. Why?
Maybe there jealous of a real fast paced game. Where QB's size doesn't
matter, who needs Troy Aikman, give me Doug Flutie any day. We have a
faster, more enjoyable game. No run run run punt 4 downs. All you
guys worship is the wishbone. Most of the CFL teams would make the run
and shoot look like a running offense. Looking at the Det. Lions it is.
> Jon
Blake Claydon
Distribution:
Ramesh Fernando (rfer...@chat.carleton.ca) wrote:
> Jonathan C. Enslin (deve...@amber.indstate.edu) wrote:
> > I find it even more amazing that people think "pinball football" is
> > exciting. The CFL will always be a fringe sports league - even in Canada.
> I find it amazing that only Americans can critize the CFL. Why?
Im Canadian and at least half my friends cant stand the CFL either.
Are you trying to tell me that its better just because it is faster
and high scoring? Christ, you must just love the Roller Hockey
International League then as this would certainly satisfy your
criteria for speed, and hell who needs a huge hulking defencemen to
level a bonejarring hit?
> Maybe there jealous of a real fast paced game. Where QB's size doesn't
> matter, who needs Troy Aikman, give me Doug Flutie any day. We have a
> faster, more enjoyable game. No run run run punt 4 downs. All you
> guys worship is the wishbone. Most of the CFL teams would make the run
> and shoot look like a running offense. Looking at the Det. Lions it is.
> > Jon
Yeah I can see how that would be boring as compared to being able to
throw a ball about 100 yards in any f###ing direction....or have they
made the field any larger recently? :)
Or how about the spine tingling endings of a team kicking the ball
through the endzone with no time remaining to break a tie with THE
SINGLE POINT!!!!! Grab your seats folks!!!
Canadian(American?) Football League flamer
Blake
Jonathan C. Enslin
>> I find it even more amazing that people think "pinball football" is
>> exciting. The CFL will always be a fringe sports league - even in Canada.
> I find it amazing that only Americans can critize the CFL. Why?
Why criticize the CFL? Here you go:
One: Less talent
Two: No defense
Three: Lack of running game
Four: Unstable franchises
Five: Unlimited motion
Six: Undersized players
Seven: Rewarding teams who miss field goals. One point - dumb.
>Maybe there jealous of a real fast paced game. Where QB's size doesn't
>matter, who needs Troy Aikman, give me Doug Flutie any day.
Take him. The NFL certainly didn't want him.
>We have a
>faster, more enjoyable game. No run run run punt 4 downs.
Well passing does make up about 50% of the plays in the NFL, and a running
game is fun to watch for true football fans.
>All you
>guys worship is the wishbone.
Beautiful offense when run right. Too bad the NFL has never used it and 99%
of college teams don't either.
>Most of the CFL teams would make the run
>and shoot look like a running offense. Looking at the Det. Lions it is.
Detroit hasn't used the run-and-shoot for a couple of years.
Any other assertions you would like shot down?
Jon
GREG
>Organization: Carleton University
>Distribution:
>
>Ramesh Fernando (rfer...@chat.carleton.ca) wrote:
>> Jonathan C. Enslin (deve...@amber.indstate.edu) wrote:
>
>> > exciting. The CFL will always be a fringe sports league - even in Canada.
>> I find it amazing that only Americans can critize the CFL. Why?
>
>Are you trying to tell me that its better just because it is faster
>and high scoring? Christ, you must just love the Roller Hockey
>International League then as this would certainly satisfy your
>criteria for speed, and hell who needs a huge hulking defencemen to
>level a bonejarring hit?
>
I am American, and half my friends questioned the CFL, also.
Then, Baltimore receives a team, and low and behold, my friends go to
the local sports bar to watch the Toronto vs Shreveport game by the
end of last year. Perceptions stink.
I am curious as to your statement about roller hockey. Especially the
last sentence. Are you trying to say that there is always, in a game,
a huge hulking defenceman that dishes out a bonejarring hit? I am
waiting for the day when hockey people are discussing the game, and
one person will say, "What happened to the hip-check?", and everyone
else will say, "What's that?" The lack of testicular fortitude by the
NHL and its referees have put artificial constraints on the game of
hockey. Remove the two-line pass. Now let's see those bone-jarring
hits.
>> Maybe there jealous of a real fast paced game. Where QB's size doesn't
>> matter, who needs Troy Aikman, give me Doug Flutie any day. We have a
>> faster, more enjoyable game. No run run run punt 4 downs. All you
>> guys worship is the wishbone. Most of the CFL teams would make the run
>> and shoot look like a running offense. Looking at the Det. Lions it is.
>> > Jon
>
>Yeah I can see how that would be boring as compared to being able to
>throw a ball about 100 yards in any f###ing direction....or have they
>made the field any larger recently? :)
I love the smiley, even though in '85 the field was made shorter.
>Or how about the spine tingling endings of a team kicking the ball
>through the endzone with no time remaining to break a tie with THE
>SINGLE POINT!!!!! Grab your seats folks!!!
My oh my, another Canadian that doesn't even know their own history.
Are you ready for this? The single has been around longer than the
NFL. Period. P E R I D. (I thought that if I spelled like Shaq, you
might understand better)
>Canadian(American?) Football League flamer
>
>Blake
Sports fan and realist
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bim...@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov
Jonathan C. Enslin
>"Pinball Football." I like that. It sounds exciting, like CFL
>football! This, of course, beats the hell out of "Chess
>Football," that game known to prevail in the NFL when the 49ers
>are not playing.
>
>My Webster's says that, among other things, to be "excited" is to
>be "in a state of agitated elation." Does a ground rushing
>saw-off move you to this state, Jon?
Actually, yes. Give me a good 9-7 well played defensive struggle anyday to
a 48-45 game where defense means nothing.
>When there are 3 minutes
>left and fans are leaving the stadium because the rules forbid a
>comeback, is that exciting?
Better than a league that rewards teams that don't play well for 57 minutes
with another miracle comeback
>
>On the other hand, when passes go flying, when entire backfields
>go in motion,
Rediculous.
>when linebackers can match NFL style recievers
>step-for-step
Yeah, too bad they can't tackle NFL style running backs.
>when rushers have to elude 12 defenders,
They don't seem to do that very well. How many 1,000 rushers are there a
season in the CFL?
>"Pinball Football" is far more exciting than "Chess Football."
>Whether it is a "fringe" league to the NFL is irrelevent. More
>Canadians watched the Grey Cup than the Super Bowl, so I
>completely reject your assertion that the CFL is a fringe league
>in Canada. What nonsense.
Yeah, tell that to the fans who will sell out the SkyDome for an NFL
exhibition game. How many times have the Argos sold out the Dome lately?
The Super Bowl was watched by more people in the rest of the world. Europe,
Asia, Latin America, and the US. You can have the Grey Cup...the rest of
the world knows which leage the true world champion comes out of -- the NFL.
Jon
FLOUNDERING IN A QUANTUM SEA...
>Or how about the spine tingling endings of a team kicking the ball
>through the endzone with no time remaining to break a tie with THE
>SINGLE POINT!!!!! Grab your seats folks!!!
Oh, that's much better than 10 or 20 fair-catches during the game. Sheesh!
"Mommy, the big bad man is going to hit me..."
And besides, Canadian football is more like backgammon. A little bit of luck
and a lot of strategy and more *fun* than either chess of checkers.
J. Lange
Brian Clarke
> Eric Sieferman (sief...@u.washington.edu) wrote:
|>
|> > > > Hey, they are thinking of giving toronto a NFL team. If that
|> > > >happens kiss the CFL goodbye!
|>
|> > > Especially if the CFL keeps drafting dead guys.
|>
|> > That was just pathetic and it signifies why the CFL is a league with
|> > one leg already 6 feet under.....
|>
|> > Blake
There, there, friends, don't be afraid- That rerehensible upstart CFL will
soon fade away, I'm sure- just ask any NFL owner. Gosh, NFL fans are such
dignified, well-spoken individuals- always a class act and a real pleasure to
hear from. Nothing but thoughtful commentary all the way around, with a league
rich in tradition and stability. We salute you all. With such fans, it's no
wonder that the NFL has the reputation for challenge and excitement it so richly
deserves.
-Brian D. "'Anything Goes School of Academics'" Clarke
Gordon McLean
Enslin) said:
>
>Actually, yes. Give me a good 9-7 well played defensive struggle anyday
to a
>48-45 game where defense means nothing.
>
dead on about the NFL, but sorely showing your lack of knowledge about the
CFL.
How hard is it to defend against the passing game? Quite hard, and this is
what you have to do when you have three downs instead of four. The CFL is
based on this. If you don't like it, please post your opinions where they
will be appreciated, and don't waste my time and yours by posting here
again.
>
>Better than a league that rewards teams that don't play well for 57
minutes
>with another miracle comeback
>
league you are talking about. You don't even bother to defend your
precious league without stretching the facts to the breaking point. If you
have a problem with close games, NFL is for you. Both CFL and NFL have
their merits, there is no *better* league. Arguing this won't reach any
resolution.
>
>Yeah, tell that to the fans who will sell out the SkyDome for an NFL
exhibition
>game. How many times have the Argos sold out the Dome lately?
>
people attending the game are from the Buffalo area. AND it just so
happens that the Bills are playing! Go figure! SURE the game is going to
sell out! Any brain-dead NFL fan knows Buffalo is within shouting distance
of Toronto. I would be surprised if it didn't, frankly. It seems the NFL
only plays exhibition games where they KNOW it will sell out!
As for an NFL TEAM in Toronto, don't hold your breath. SkyDome isn't big
enough, expansion fee is too high, Labatt Brewery will not buy the
franchise, and tickets will cost a fortune. If this is your definition of
BIG LEAGUE, then I want no part of it.
BTW, how much does it cost to go to an NFL game, anyway? Reports seem to
indicate that the NawFuL costs the most money than any major league sport.
How do you defend that? Are defensive struggles THAT important?
>The Super Bowl was watched by more people in the rest of the world.
Europe,
>Asia, Latin America, and the US. You can have the Grey Cup...the rest of
the
>world knows which leage the true world champion comes out of -- the NFL.
Maybe Americans think the rest of the world cares about American sports,
but really the only ones that care about them is themselves! Canadians
don't give a shit about the NawFuL, either.
I wouldn't brag about the Super Bowl. I watched the last one, and I
switched it off after the first quarter. The Super Bowl is a good reason
why the NFL gets slammed. The NFL is the most over-rated game in the
world, bar none! Don't blame the CFL for having normal ticket prices and
fast games for the dollar! As a matter of fact, you can have your
over-priced beer, players, ticket prices, and inflated egos!
>
>Jon
Well, Jon Boy, please don't bother this news group again. Ignorance will
not be tolerated. You are asking for mail overflow by posting this garbage
in this news group.
You have been warned...
Jody
MROZ
Jonathan C. Enslin <deve...@amber.indstate.edu> wrote:
>Why criticize the CFL? Here you go:
>
>Three: Lack of running game
That's the first criticism for the NFL: too much running, not enough passing.
The second criticism is too many field goals.
--
_/\_ MROZ _/\_
-\| |/- Toronto Maple Leafs -\| |/-
`______' Mike Foligno `______'
' || ` Man, Chicago fans are loud and nasty! ' || `
GreggSun
>Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 21:21:17 GMT
>Message-ID: <devensli.74...@amber.indstate.edu>
Jon:
Get a life! There is room in the world for all sports. Some people even
like soccer, I'm told. Lighten up before that acute angina kicks in.
Gregg Diethorn Orioles Designated Hitter and Colts Special Teamer
Taras Ciuriak
> Jon:
>
> Get a life! There is room in the world for all sports. Some people even
> like soccer, I'm told. Lighten up before that acute angina kicks in.
>
> Gregg Diethorn Orioles Designated Hitter and Colts Special Teamer
I never used to like soccer until I moved to England. But I'll tell you
something, the atmosphere, the crowds and the game have all proved rather
intoxicating and I dare any real sports fan to go to a soccer game in Europe
and not get hooked.
--
Taras Ciuriak
tn...@soliton.com
tn...@hopak.demon.co.uk
Eric Smith [CONTRACTOR]
>greg...@aol.com "GreggSun" writes:
>> Get a life! There is room in the world for all sports. Some people even
>> like soccer, I'm told. Lighten up before that acute angina kicks in.
>I never used to like soccer until I moved to England. But I'll tell you
>something, the atmosphere, the crowds and the game have all proved rather
>intoxicating and I dare any real sports fan to go to a soccer game in Europe
>and not get hooked.
Hooked into a drunken brawl you mean? :-)
I'll tell you, there's no possible atmosphere that could interest me
in a game that's such a back-and-forth yawner.
-----
Eric Smith | "Sometimes it seems to me that plastic
er...@netcom.com | surgery is ... very, very complicated."
CI$: 70262,3610 | - Doctor Gaynor, in Ed Wood's "Jail Bait"
Jonathan C. Enslin
>My oh my, another Canadian that doesn't even know their own history.
>Are you ready for this? The single has been around longer than the
>NFL. Period. P E R I D. (I thought that if I spelled like Shaq, you
>might understand better)
So that makes it a good idea? So that makes it legitimate? Nothing like
rewarding a team for missing a field goal or making a punt.
Jon
Carl Gordon Mellesmoen
: >My oh my, another Canadian that doesn't even know their own history.
Yes, as a matter of fact, it _does_ make it legitimate, moreso than
"I'm a true (NFL) football fan and I think it's dumb" makes it illegitimate,
which seems to be your standard argument (and which is nothing new around
here. It would be nice to see something original for once, but, alas...).
--
___________________________________________________________________________
Carl Mellesmoen
aa...@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca or cgm...@cs.usask.ca
http://alf.usask.ca/~cgm133 for obligatory home page
___________________________________________________________________________
GREG
>Jonathan C. Enslin (deve...@amber.indstate.edu) wrote:
>
>: >My oh my, another Canadian that doesn't even know their own history.
>: >Are you ready for this? The single has been around longer than the
>: >NFL. Period. P E R I D. (I thought that if I spelled like Shaq, you
>: >might understand better)
>
>: So that makes it a good idea? So that makes it legitimate? Nothing like
>: rewarding a team for missing a field goal or making a punt.
>
>Yes, as a matter of fact, it _does_ make it legitimate, moreso than
>"I'm a true (NFL) football fan and I think it's dumb" makes it illegitimate,
>which seems to be your standard argument (and which is nothing new around
>here. It would be nice to see something original for once, but, alas...).
OK, my server has spammed some of the follow-ups to my article.
I also get tired of hearing, "that weird league that gives one point
for a missed field-goal." I have posted my opinion several times about
the single. It should be left alone. Canadian football is still a
closer derivative to rugby union than NCAA football or NFL football,
solely on the basis of the kicking game. Out of the sports mentioned
in this paragraph, rugby union is the harshest for the receiving team
holding the ball in what we call the end-zone. Why should the
end-zone be what amounts to a dead-ball zone? Rugby union allows the
receiving team to down the ball in the end-zone, and then forces the
receiving team to kick-off from the 22m line. The Canadians did away
with that in the 1880's, where a single point would be awarded with
balls downed in the end-zone, and receiving team keeps posession.
Us CFL supporters are tired of the flame war, and anyone that claims,
"Wow, how exciting when at the end of the game, the team that can kick
the ball through the end-zone gets a point and wins the game," is a
complete fool. We argue with those that just absolutely slam the CFL,
such as the above statement. Again, the NFL, NCAA, and CFL games are
different. Accept that as fact. The NFL has more quality players
than the CFL. Accept that as fact. That is all that can be
accomplished by these flame wars. Which is why I am asking to end
them.
Now, for anyone who even cared to know how this post was started,
there is a sports scheduling program that is provided by George
Ferguson, out of Rochester, NY. Someone posted to the groups that use
the same program, i.e., rec.sport.hockey, rec.sport.football.pro,
etc., that the program was now available for the CFL. Of course,
someone sees 'CFL', and it is time to start the bashing, and, of
course, now that the CFL has expanded more into the US, the bashing
gets louder.
Jonathan C. Enslin
>From: bdcl...@sirius.UVic.CA (Brian Clarke)
>Subject: Re: 1995 CFL Complete Schedule.
Actually, you hit it right on the button.
Jon
Ernest Boffa
>
> Actually, yes. Give me a good 9-7 well played defensive struggle anyday
to
> a 48-45 game where defense means nothing.
>
it too low scoring, and therefore boring. Yet if the NFL gave only one
point for a touchdown, NFL games would be just as low scoring as the
soccer (or, maybe ironically, "football" as its known outside North
America) games that Americans find boring.
Anyway, I find the debate to be a waste of space. The comparison is like
apples and oranges. The NFL and CFL are two different games. (Perhaps a
better comparison would be comparing man and ape...a similar origin with a
different evolutionary path...you decide which one is the ape). Don't
waste my time saying one's better than the other, because that's just
opinion, which differs between every individual, and we're not going to
change anybody's mind about which game they prefer.
Personally, I have nothing against the NFL...I'll watch both, but given
the choice, I'd rather watch the CFL. Particularily, I'd rather watch the
Grey Cup, where you don't know who's going to win, rather than the Super
Bowl, where everyone knows that the NFC will have won by halftime.
Ernie
Ramesh Fernando
Organization: Carleton University
Distribution:
All follow-ups have been removed from ott.events rec.hockey etc, who was
the original poster. Hope you get this post Blake.
Blake Claydon (bcla...@chat.carleton.ca) wrote:
> Im Canadian and at least half my friends cant stand the CFL either.
lads who worship the Bills bahaha, besides CFL even isn't as good compared to
a real sport like Rugby. Real fast paced, and good physical game.
For each his own. First all, I don't care what Americans worshipping
there boring NFL think. With your friends there's some who
prefer NFL. THere are many Canadian's and look at Baltimore, Americans
who like the CFL. If people didn't like it, why did the Colts do so
well in attendance. The game is a more fluid, 12 man wider
field, allows for faster action.In the CFL at least 50% is passing,
look at the NFL fan who replied how good the wishbone is and can be
used if it works. Running, Running, Running who wants to watch boring
Fullbacks go for 3 yards a carry and get there first downs. Best
example is the boring NCAA Division 1-A teams. Look at Notre Dame, how
boring, they have a good young QB who can throw for once, they get him to
run a bloody option. Talent is wasted.
> criteria for speed, and hell who needs a huge hulking defencemen to
> level a bonejarring hit?
> Yeah I can see how that would be boring as compared to being able to
> throw a ball about 100 yards in any f###ing direction....or have they
> made the field any larger recently? :)
110 yards in the CFL, been that way for many years.
> Or how about the spine tingling endings of a team kicking the ball
> through the endzone with no time remaining to break a tie with THE
> SINGLE POINT!!!!! Grab your seats folks!!!
That is one of the stupid rules ever, the CFL should have gotten rid
of that many years ago. On the hand ain't the NFL fun, watching
kickers go for a FG rather than the team going for the a real TD.
Great 6-3 finals. Now thats boring.
Lets be honest, the NFL has the best talent, CFL has NFL dropouts
and Canadian players. Compare the playing level though, especially
dependind less on kicking only FG for score. CFL game is far superior.
> Blake
Jonathan C. Enslin
>BTW, how much does it cost to go to an NFL game, anyway? Reports seem to
>indicate that the NawFuL costs the most money than any major league sport.
>How do you defend that? Are defensive struggles THAT important?
Obviously, since every team in the NFL out drew the top drawing team in the
CFL last year. Oh yeah, TV ratings were higher too.
>
>>The Super Bowl was watched by more people in the rest of the world.
>Europe,
>>Asia, Latin America, and the US. You can have the Grey Cup...the rest of
>the
>>world knows which leage the true world champion comes out of -- the NFL.
>
>How do you define 'world champion'? All twenty-eight teams are in the US.
>Maybe Americans think the rest of the world cares about American sports,
>but really the only ones that care about them is themselves! Canadians
>don't give a shit about the NawFuL, either.
Well then, tell me why 75+ countries tune in for the Super Bowl? Tell me
why Super Bowls are amongst the highest rated television programs in the
world ever? Tell me why an exhibition game sold out in Mexico? Why there
is a professional American football league in Europe? Why there are
Germans, English, Dutch, and Spanish members of the official Green Bay
Packers mailing list that I am a member of? Can the CFL and the Grey Cup
say this?
Canadians don't seem to give a shit, but much of the rest of the world does.
>
>I wouldn't brag about the Super Bowl. I watched the last one, and I
>switched it off after the first quarter. The Super Bowl is a good reason
>why the NFL gets slammed. The NFL is the most over-rated game in the
>world, bar none! Don't blame the CFL for having normal ticket prices and
>fast games for the dollar! As a matter of fact, you can have your
>over-priced beer, players, ticket prices, and inflated egos!
As I said before, the NFL is watched in front of larger crowds both in the
stands and on TV. Obviously people don't mind paying for it and watching it.
>Well, Jon Boy, please don't bother this news group again. Ignorance will
>not be tolerated. You are asking for mail overflow by posting this garbage
>in this news group.
Try it asshole!
You know I have been on this newsgroup for about a year now ever since I
learned about the CFL expansion into the US. However, as a big football
fan who is interested in football of all sorts, I have been disappointed -
Canadian football seems to be the last thing discussed on this list. Half
the posts are rips of the NFL, its fans, its owners, etc. Rediculous. I
have criticized the CFL and stuck up for the NFL throughout the year in
response to these posts and have started NONE of the anti-CFL posts. I know
there is a lot of vicious cross-posting from NFL fans, but there is just as
much from CFL fans on the NFL newsgroup.
People on this list should look at the NFL group. The discussion is focused
much more on "on-the-field" football talk than this group will ever hope to
be. There are many fans on this group, such as Butch Kamena, who have
intelligent posts dealing with subjects off the field, but they seem to be
in the minority.
I'm going to drop this group for awhile. I just want you to know that the
attitudes of some of the people on this newsgroup is driving away a fan that
the CFL desperately needs - a football crazed American who has attempted in
vain to learn a little more about the CFL game.
>You have been warned...
Whatever.
Jon
Gordon McLean
I really didn't think you would be this stupid. You are just begging for
grief...
>>BTW, how much does it cost to go to an NFL game, anyway? Reports seem to
>>indicate that the NawFuL costs the most money than any major league
sport.
>>How do you defend that? Are defensive struggles THAT important?
>
>Obviously, since every team in the NFL out drew the top drawing team in
the CFL
>last year. Oh yeah, TV ratings were higher too.
That doesn't explain the high ticket prices. Why don't you just admit that
the NFL is gouging the market? At least the CFL doesn't charge a fortune
for a hot dog...
Defensive struggles in a football game are about as interesting as watching
paint dry, IMHO. I personally hate games that are decided by the first
quarter... any true-blue football fan, NFL or CFL, feels the same as I do,
whether they admit it or not. People like you, a vocal minority, think
otherwise. In other words, GET WITH IT!
As far as I'm concerned, as I said before (forgive me for sounding like a
broken record), the NFL reputation precedes itself wherever it goes. The
actual game comes second.
>
>Well then, tell me why 75+ countries tune in for the Super Bowl? Tell me
why
>Super Bowls are amongst the highest rated television programs in the world
>ever? Tell me why an exhibition game sold out in Mexico? Why there is a
>professional American football league in Europe? Why there are Germans,
>English, Dutch, and Spanish members of the official Green Bay Packers
mailing
>list that I am a member of? Can the CFL and the Grey Cup say this?
Why did the WLAF fold? Why is LA in trouble? Why are Super Bowl games
boring? Why does the NFL target markets where they KNOW the game will sell
out (fixing game sell-outs is not a very good move, IMHO. Toronto is
case-and-point. Why do you think they would put an exhibition game so
close to Buffalo, who (low and behold) is playing in Toronto?)? Do
Europeans really think NFL is higher than soccer? Obviously, you would
like to think so. All Americans would like to think that their game is
tops all around the world. You are no exception. In that respect, the NFL
has really fried your brain with lies and mis-truths. It is my mission to
set you straight. :-)
BTW, people DO follow the CFL in Europe. Unlike your over-blown figures,
the following is not that big, but it's a market that the CFL can grow on
if given enough time.
>
>Canadians don't seem to give a shit, but much of the rest of the world
does.
Don't blame us for enjoying a better game! At least I can afford a hot
dog! I read that a family of four at an NFL game pays $500 at least to
watch one of your over-rated, over-blown, pig-headed, money-grabbing,
oh-so-precious NawFuL games. That would make it a game for the rich, would
it not? Rich guys like you are suckers.
>As I said before, the NFL is watched in front of larger crowds both in the
>stands and on TV. Obviously people don't mind paying for it and watching
it.
Again, the NawFuL's reputation precedes it. The key to NFL's success is
one thing and one thing only... MARKETING. If it wasn't for marketing, NFL
wouldn't outclass the CFL in every area around the world. Why is it cool
to go to an NFL game? Marketing has a lot to do with it. Most people
couldn't give a shit about the actual game. It's just cool to go to a
game, just as it is cool to watch it on TV. Lots of NFL games I see on TV
rely more on flash-in-the-pan broadcasting. This is not uncommon in the
US. I admit that the CFL could use a good shot of this, but with more CFL
teams in the US and a possible CBS contract, this may become a reality.
Marketing is the only reason why the NFL gets the best players. More fans
think it's cool to go to a game, so that means that the owners have more
money to play with. Simple economics. Because of this expediency, very
few pro players really show their true colors in the NFL, because the
owners are being a little too expedient with their money. Another reason
is the NFL rules. Why do you think the NFL is making the game *better* by
incorperating some rules that were only in the CFL? Because the NFL rules
need improving in a BIG way.
>
>Try it asshole!
>
Beligerance will get you nowhere, here. Please post elsewhere where your
comments will be appreciated, instead of flamed.
>You know I have been on this newsgroup for about a year now ever since I
>learned about the CFL expansion into the US. However, as a big football
fan
>who is interested in football of all sorts, I have been disappointed -
Canadian
>football seems to be the last thing discussed on this list.
You just put your foot in your mouth by saying you like football of all
sorts. If so, why do you put down the CFL? It seems to me you have got a
serious problem with your loyalties. If you are disappointed with this
list, please leave. We won't miss you. People like you polute the content
in this group. I, at least, have something good to say about the CFL.
Half the posts are
>rips of the NFL, its fans, its owners, etc. Rediculous. I have
criticized the
>CFL and stuck up for the NFL throughout the year in response to these
posts and
>have started NONE of the anti-CFL posts.
It seems you would like to see this group this way. You have started none
of the posts, but you sure as hell contributed to them. That would make
you no better than the guys that dug up this shit in the first place.
Again, if you are not a CFL fan, you have come to the wrong place.
I know there is a lot of vicious
>cross-posting from NFL fans, but there is just as much from CFL fans on
the NFL
>newsgroup.
That is not my fault. Please vent your anger on the person that
cross-posted in the first place. Believe it or not, most people in this
group never repeat NEVER cross-post anywhere. Please take your little
vendetta elsewhere.
>
>People on this list should look at the NFL group. The discussion is
focused
>much more on "on-the-field" football talk than this group will ever hope
to be.
Why should I? Why should people talk about a season long-gone? Who cares?
The reason why you don't see 'on the field' talk here is because the
season hasn't started yet! Or didn't you know that?
> There are many fans on this group, such as Butch Kamena, who have
intelligent
>posts dealing with subjects off the field, but they seem to be in the
minority.
Sorry, but that's a hell of a lot more interesting than pointless stat
debates. What good do they do? They are so trivial it isn't even funny.
>
>I'm going to drop this group for awhile.
Why stop there? Most of us won't care if we never heard from you again! I
know that hurts, but it's the truth. People hit the delete button like
crazy when you come onboard.
I just want you to know that the
>attitudes of some of the people on this newsgroup is driving away a fan
that
>the CFL desperately needs - a football crazed American who has attempted
in
>vain to learn a little more about the CFL game.
It seems you have more interest in criticizing than in learning. If you
don't contribute to the discussion, you are a detriment to this group.
BTW, I'm glad CFL fans aren't like you. You are loud, boisterous, and just
want to stir trouble. People like you the CFL doesn't need. Go back to
your expensive NFL hobby, and leave us CFL fans alone.
CFL fan and Realist,
Jody McLean
Keith Willoughby
[snip]
>Give me a good 9-7 well played defensive struggle anyday to a
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>48-45 game where defense means nothing.
Jonathan,
You've got it all wrong!!! The 9-7 game in the NFL is the
offensive blowout!!! It's those 3-0 and 6-3 contests that are
the true defensive struggles.
Regards,
Keith
Ravi Ramkissoonsingh
> I'll tell you, there's no possible atmosphere that could interest me
> in a game that's such a back-and-forth yawner.
I guess that you aren't an NFL fan then. ;)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ravi Ramkissoonsingh
Department of Psychology
Carleton University
Ottawa, Ontario
Email address: rram...@ccs.carleton.ca
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Judy Young
>>My oh my, another Canadian that doesn't even know their own history.
>>Are you ready for this? The single has been around longer than the
>>NFL. Period. P E R I D. (I thought that if I spelled like Shaq, you
>>might understand better)
>So that makes it a good idea? So that makes it legitimate? Nothing like
>rewarding a team for missing a field goal or making a punt.
No what makes it legitimate is the fact the ball is live, the ball must be
returned out of the end zone or a single point is conceded........or, the
returner fumbles, and the kicking team pounces on it to score a
touchdown......or the returner gives up the ball by punting it out of the end
zone! The crucial point is not that the kicking team receives a point for
missing the field goal but that the returner fails to move the ball somehow
out of the end zone.
Let's repeat the litany, a single is scored if the receiving team does not
move the ball out of the end zone. Why does this not happen in the NFL, well
I guess it could be that the goal posts are conveniently located outside the
playing field. (snort)
Bob Vespaziani
>
>Taras Ciuriak <tn...@hopak.demon.co.uk> writes:
>
>>greg...@aol.com "GreggSun" writes:
>
>>> Get a life! There is room in the world for all sports. Some people
even
>>> like soccer, I'm told. Lighten up before that acute angina kicks in.
>
>>I never used to like soccer until I moved to England. But I'll tell
you
>>something, the atmosphere, the crowds and the game have all proved
rather
>>intoxicating and I dare any real sports fan to go to a soccer game in
Europe
>>and not get hooked.
>
>Hooked into a drunken brawl you mean? :-)
>
>in a game that's such a back-and-forth yawner.
>
>Eric Smith | "Sometimes it seems to me that plastic
>er...@netcom.com | surgery is ... very, very complicated."
>CI$: 70262,3610 | - Doctor Gaynor, in Ed Wood's "Jail Bait"
>
Could we please kill this thread and get back to FOOTBALL? If you really
are a fan of the sport, then it doesn't matter if you are watching CFL,
NFL, CIAU, Little League, High School, Big Ten, Little Ten, Medium Ten,
or whatever ----- it's all a great game.
Bob.
Theodore Kamena
Jonathan C. Enslin <deve...@amber.indstate.edu> wrote:
>
>
>Why criticize the CFL? Here you go:
>
Less talent in the NCAA than in the NFL, too, but you never
hear people complain about that.
>
>Two: No defense
Rubbish. The Arena League has no defense. Again, the CFL game
has more possesions than the average NFL game. Thus, more
opportunities to score. I'm waiting to see a
points-per-possession analysis before I'll accept the argument
there's no defense in the CFL.
>
>Three: Lack of running game
Less of a running game, yes. But that isn't really grounds for
criticism, is it? Better than watching some of the "prevent
offenses" bad NFL teams like the Bears run.
>
>Four: Unstable franchises
No question about that one. It really is a black mark on the
league.
>Five: Unlimited motion
Do you know why there isn't unlimited motion in U.S. football?
Because of Knute Rockne and the Notre Dame shift back in the 20s
or 30s. It really has no relevance to today's game. It's a very
good rule.
>Six: Undersized players
So. Does this really diminish from the game? No more so than
330-pound lineman who have guts so big they hang out their
uniform. Many of those big NFL lineman are in good shape, but
some of them aren't. Frig Perry would have died in the CFL. Of
course, some argue he did in the NFL, too.:-)
>
>Seven: Rewarding teams who miss field goals. One point - dumb.
For the 1,843rd time, teams do not get a point for missing a
field goal. They get a point for kicking the ball into the end
zone and the other team not getting it out.
It is only seen as a reward for failure by those who insist on
misrepresenting it.
>>Maybe there jealous of a real fast paced game. Where QB's size doesn't
>>matter, who needs Troy Aikman, give me Doug Flutie any day.
>
>Take him. The NFL certainly didn't want him.
Glad to. He proves the point the CFL requires a different type
of player. Nonetheless, Flutie's record as a NFL starter was
pretty good.
>
>>We have a
>>faster, more enjoyable game. No run run run punt 4 downs.
>
>Well passing does make up about 50% of the plays in the NFL, and a running
>game is fun to watch for true football fans.
What do you mean, 'true' football fans? A running game can be
fun, but too many NFL teams have gotten way too conservative.
Four-down football CAN be interesting. In recent years, though,
it often hasn't been.
>
>>All you
>>guys worship is the wishbone.
>
>Beautiful offense when run right. Too bad the NFL has never used it and 99%
>of college teams don't either.
Agreed. At least the wishbone has some risk to it. Much better
to watch a wishbone than a straight power offense run out of the
"I" with double tight ends.
>Any other assertions you would like shot down?
>Jon
No, but are you getting a little more adamant about this than you
were a few months ago?
Still, nine times out of 10, at least you attempt you build your
arguments around some logic, and I respect that. I just don't
agree with you.
Butch Kamena
Ralph Connors
>
>
> >My oh my, another Canadian that doesn't even know their own history.
> >Are you ready for this? The single has been around longer than the
> >NFL. Period. P E R I D. (I thought that if I spelled like Shaq, you
> >might understand better)
>
> So that makes it a good idea? So that makes it legitimate? Nothing like
> rewarding a team for missing a field goal or making a punt.
>
Jon,
If you dislike nearly everything about the CFL, why do you
continue to write in this newsgroup?? If you love 3-0 cliffhangers
of the No Fun League, (American Medical Association's recommended
cure for insomnia), stay in their newsgroup!!!!
CFL forever
Ralph
Ralph Connors
Jon,
If you dislike the CFL so much, why do you continue to write
in this newsgroup??? Why don't you just go back and enjoy your
6-3 cliffhangers <yawn> of the No Fun League (the American Medical
Association recommended cure for insomnia.), while we enjoy our
game!!!
See Ya
Ralph
GREG
>> >Are you ready for this? The single has been around longer than the
>> >NFL. Period. P E R I D. (I thought that if I spelled like Shaq, you
>> >might understand better)
>>
>> So that makes it a good idea? So that makes it legitimate? Nothing like
>> rewarding a team for missing a field goal or making a punt.
>>
>
>
> Jon,
> If you dislike nearly everything about the CFL, why do you
> continue to write in this newsgroup?? If you love 3-0 cliffhangers
> of the No Fun League, (American Medical Association's recommended
> cure for insomnia), stay in their newsgroup!!!!
>
> CFL forever
> Ralph
That is kind of harsh, Ralph. Jon came over to this group to learn
about the CFL, and received many NFL-bashing replies. I do not mind
discussing the merits of each football code. The problem is it turns
out to be a flamewar the size of hell, and many people cannot get
their facts straight.
Jon, I will say it over and over again until I am blue in the face, or
my internet access is revoked: The single is not a reward for
failure. The single is a reward for the offense/kicking team. If the
defense/receiving team allows the offense/kicking team to close to the
end zone, and the defense/receiving team does not move the ball out of
the endzone, that is the defense's/receiving team's fault. Even with
that, the single is a trade-off for better field position. Just ask
the BFC in the Grey Cup game last year.
Besides, I am one of those people that believe the fair catch is for
gutless wonders...
Richard Dooley
>deve...@amber.indstate.edu (Jonathan C. Enslin) wrote:
>>
>> In article <1995Jun8.2...@sol.UVic.CA> bdcl...@sirius.UVic.CA (Brian Clarke) writes:
>> >From: bdcl...@sirius.UVic.CA (Brian Clarke)
>> >Subject: Re: 1995 CFL Complete Schedule.
>> >Date: Thu, 8 Jun 95 20:20:40 GMT
>> >> Blake Claydon (bcla...@chat.carlet|>
>> > > Eric Sieferman (sief...@u.washington.edu) wrote:
>> >|>
>> >|> > > > Hey, they are thinking of giving toronto a NFL team. If that
>> >|> > > >happens kiss the CFL goodbye!
>> >|>
>> >|> > > Especially if the CFL keeps drafting dead guys.
>> >|>
>> >|> > That was just pathetic and it signifies why the CFL is a league with
>> >|> > one leg already 6 feet under.....
>> >|>
>> >|> > Blake
>> >
>> >
>> >There, there, friends, don't be afraid- That rerehensible upstart CFL will
>> >soon fade away, I'm sure- just ask any NFL owner. Gosh, NFL fans are such
>> >dignified, well-spoken individuals- always a class act and a real pleasure to
>> >hear from. Nothing but thoughtful commentary all the way around, with a league
>> >rich in tradition and stability. We salute you all. With such fans, it's no
>> >wonder that the NFL has the reputation for challenge and excitement it so richly
>> >deserves.
>>
>> Actually, you hit it right on the button.
>>
>> Jon
Jon,
You are becoming a pain in the ass with your comments and are
beginning to bother me. How can you call the CFL an upstart league when
its been around for 75 years and taught Americans how to play football
before they changed the rules. (yes its true, check your history books).
I'm not going to bash the NFL now though it is tempting but if you don't
like the CFL and do nothing but fixate on small mistakes while ignoring
the big picture (no matter some team drafts a dead player, the league as
a whole is stable. Mistakes happen, let it go.), just stay off this new
group and leave it to fans of this game.
Kevin
Jonathan C. Enslin
> Jon,
> You are becoming a pain in the ass with your comments and are
>beginning to bother me. How can you call the CFL an upstart league when
>its been around for 75 years and taught Americans how to play football
>before they changed the rules. (yes its true, check your history books).
No disputing your historical facts here, but you have to realize that in the
US, the CFL IS an upstart league facing the same problems that the USFL,
WFL, etc. did. 75 years of history in Canada doesn't mean a hill of beans
to US football fans.
>I'm not going to bash the NFL now though it is tempting but if you don't
>like the CFL and do nothing but fixate on small mistakes while ignoring
>the big picture (no matter some team drafts a dead player, the league as
>a whole is stable. Mistakes happen, let it go.), just stay off this new
>group and leave it to fans of this game.
The reason I joined this group in the first place was to learn more about
the CFL.
Hey last week was a bad one. Someone from this group filled my box with
100+ messages, each containing over 100 lines, work was very busy, etc. So
I would like to appologize for my recent, pointless posts. However, the
fact is that I don't know much about the game, the teams or the players.
THe only thing I can comment on with any authority is about the NFL and how
the CFL is perceived.
Jon
Anshu Prasad
: I would like to appologize for my recent, pointless posts. However, the
: fact is that I don't know much about the game, the teams or the players.
: THe only thing I can comment on with any authority is about the NFL and how
: the CFL is perceived.
Perceptions are a major obstacle the CFL must overcome if it is to
succeed in the US. It is human nature to evaluate something new by
comparing it to a benchmark you're familiar with. This counts against
the CFL in two ways:
1) A common reaction is: "The CFL has different rules than the NFL
so its not *real* football, but a cheap imitation and minor
league."
2) The second perception-related problem comes about in a different
way. There are those who do watch a CFL game but are still quick
to dismiss it as minor league. Why? Because they often judge the
players by a scale applicable to NFL players but not to CFL players.
For example, I've know people who, when watching the CFL say things
like "Look at how small that linebacker is, he'd never have a chance
in the NFL." This is a true statement. However, judging a CFL
linebacker (or many other CFL positions) by a comparison to the NFL
equivalent position is flawed. The CFL game differs sufficiently
from the NFL that it calls for different abilities and attributes of
players. An NFL tight-end, in many cases, would not make a good CFL
slotback. The requirements of the inside receiver position are
different between leagues. The same is true for many other positions.
Look, I admit that skill level is generally higher in the NFL than in
the CFL, regardless of what criteria you use to judge players. However,
the perception of this disparity is perpetuated further by that fact
that players suited to the CFL, in many cases, would not be suited to
the NFL.
So Jon, you seem to be well past the first example listed above. You
obviously didn't simply dismiss the league because its different or you
wouldn't bother to be a participant in this newsgroup. However, as you
try to learn more about the CFL, please keep in mind that the game is
different and don't be too quick to judge the CFL against NFL benchmarks.
If you keep an open mind, I think you'll find the CFL has a lot to offer
football fans of any variety.
--
,> )\ `a_ Anshu Prasad _a' /(
( _ )/ /{_ ~~ Bell Northern Research Ltd. ~~ _}\ \( -
`(,)_,)/ Ottawa, Ontario, Canada \(,_(,\\
,<_ ,<_. Opinions are my own, not my employer's ._>, _>,``==>
Chelios for the Norris
Please stop crossposting!
Keith R. Phelps
krph...@umr.edu
"They shout about love. But when push comes to shove. They live for things they're afraid of."
==Neil Peart
J.M. Joch
and it's expired.
I'm also still waiting for the RDS schedule and local TV schedules for
the American teams, if anyone has them.
(pleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleaseplease)
I have Shreveport's already. Thanks to whoever posted it, I forget who
you were.
John Joch
McMaster University
Hamilton, Ontario
hehittheballrealhard
Gordon McLean
the
>US, the CFL IS an upstart league facing the same problems that the USFL,
WFL,
>etc. did. 75 years of history in Canada doesn't mean a hill of beans to
US
>football fans.
US, but doesn't the longevity of the CFL in Canada sort of set it apart
from other US football leagues? This is not some pie-in-the-sky league
thought up by a Southerner.
The goal of the CFL is not to eliminate the NFL, but to peacefully co-exist
with it. With NFL teams currently topping 30 teams, I feel that the US
market is saturated by the NFL. This would leave lots of cities that were
snubbed by the NFL to get an exciting alternative. I think the CFL would
fit this part nicely.
>
>The reason I joined this group in the first place was to learn more about
the
>CFL.
Showing interest in the CFL does not include pointing out the mistakes of
the league. Weigh the pros with the cons. If you find that the game
doesn't interest you, please unsubscribe this newsgroup. I believe I've
said this before...
BTW, I have noticed you have not placed any good points about this league.
Focusing on the bad is a no-no! You would make a lot more friends here if
you said good things about the league, just to boost our moral a little
bit. :-) I have been a CFL fan as long as I can remember, and the
criticisms you made sort of made me angry! It's easy for you to talk that
way if all you've seen are NFL games. I've seen both and prefer the CFL
out of the two. Draw your own conclusions...
>
>Hey last week was a bad one. Someone from this group filled my box with
100+
>messages, each containing over 100 lines, work was very busy, etc.
gave you, BTW, was not meant in malice, but looks like someone took me
literally. Sorry about that...)
So I would
that I
>don't know much about the game, the teams or the players.
You might be surprised... it might even be better than (gasp!) the NFL!
>THe only thing I can comment on with any authority is about the NFL and
how the
>CFL is perceived.
smaller, but does that make the CFL game inferior? I don't think so! The
quickness of the players adds a new dimension to the game. I see it more
as an advantage than a disadvantage.
>
>Jon
Again, watch a CFL game on ESPN2 before you make comparisons! CFL is a
great game in its own right!
A dedicated CFL fan forever,
Jody
Mike...@cc.umanitoba.ca
the Canadian league and plan to attend at least one game. Some small
changes to the schedule and the TV schedule may follow.
Veteran training camps are currently underway as of June 4th, 1995.
Please note that starting times are local times!
============
1995 CFL Schedule.
PRE-SEASON
DATE TEAMS TIME TV
Tues. June 13 B.C. at Edmonton 7:30 p.m.
Thurs. June 15 Toronto at Hamilton 7:30 p.m.
Fri. June 16 Winnipeg at Saskatchewan 7:30 p.m.
Fri. June 16 Birmingham at Shreveport 7:30 p.m.
Sat. June 17 Ottawa at Baltimore 7:30 p.m.
Sat. June 17 Calgary at B.C. 7:30 p.m.
Sat. June 17 San Antonio at Memphis 7:30 p.m.
Thurs. June 22 Memphis at Ottawa 7:30 p.m.
Thurs. June 22 Hamilton at Winnipeg 7:30 p.m.
Thurs. June 22 Edmonton at Calgary 7:30 p.m.
Sat. June 24 Saskatchewan at Toronto 1:30 p.m.
Sat. June 24 Shreveport at San Antonio 7:30 p.m.
Sat. June 24 Baltimore at Birmingham 7:00 p.m.
REGULAR SEASON
Wed. June 28 Winnipeg at Ottawa 7:30 p.m. TSN
Thurs. June 29 Memphis at Calgary 7:00 p.m. ESPN2
Fri. June 30 Hamilton at Saskatchewan 7:30 p.m.
Fri. June 30 Baltimore at B.C. 7:30 p.m. TSN
Sat. July 1 Toronto at Edmonton 1:30 p.m. TSN
Sat. July 1 San Antonio at Shreveport 7:30 p.m.
Tues. July 4 Birmingham at Winnipeg 7:30 p.m.
Thurs. July 6 Ottawa at Toronto 7:00 p.m. TSN
Fri. July 7 Edmonton at Saskatchewan 7:30 p.m. TSN
Fri. July 7 B.C. at Memphis 7:30 p.m.
Sat. July 8 Birmingham at Hamilton 7:30 p.m.
Sat. July 8 San Antonio at Baltimore 7:30 p.m.
Sat. July 8 Calgary at Shreveport 7:00 p.m. TSN/ESPN2
Thurs. July 13 Calgary at Ottawa 7:00 p.m. TSN/ESPN2
Thurs. July 13 Shreveport at Winnipeg 7:30 p.m.
Thurs. July 13 Toronto at B.C. 7:30 p.m.
Fri. July 14 Saskatchewan at Memphis 7:30 p.m. TSN
Sat. July 15 Hamilton at Birmingham 7:00 p.m. TSN
Sat. July 15 Baltimore at San Antonio 7:00 p.m. ESPN
Mon. July 17 Shreveport at Edmonton 7:30 p.m.
Wed. July 19 Memphis at Ottawa 7:30 p.m.
Fri. July 21 B.C. at Calgary 7:00 p.m. TSN/ESPN2
Sat. July 22 Edmonton at San Antonio 7:30 p.m.
Sat. July 22 Winnipeg at Baltimore 7:30 p.m. ESPN
Sat. July 22 Toronto at Shreveport 7:00 p.m. TSN
Sat. July 22 Saskatchewan at Birmingham 7:00 p.m.
Mon. July 24 Memphis at Hamilton 7:30 p.m. TSN
Wed. July 26 San Antonio at Winnipeg 7:30 p.m.
Thurs. July 27 Ottawa at B.C. 7:30 p.m. TSN
Fri. July 28 Edmonton at Hamilton 7:30 p.m. TSN
Fri. July 28 Shreveport at Calgary 7:30 p.m.
Sat. July 29 Toronto at Memphis 7:30 p.m. TSN
Sat. July 29 Baltimore at Birmingham 7:00 p.m. ESPN2
Sun. July 30 San Antonio at Saskatchewan 2:00 p.m.
Wed. Aug. 2 Baltimore at Edmonton 7:30 p.m.
Thurs. Aug. 3 Hamilton at Toronto 7:30 p.m.
Thurs. Aug. 3 Birmingham at B.C. 7:30 p.m.
Fri. Aug. 4 Saskatchewan at Ottawa 7:30 p.m. TSN
Sat. Aug. 5 Memphis at San Antonio 2:00 p.m.
Sat. Aug. 5 Winnipeg at Shreveport 7:00 p.m. TSN/ESPN2
Sun. Aug. 6 Baltimore at Calgary 2:30 p.m. TSN
Wed. Aug. 9 Edmonton at Toronto 7:30 p.m. TSN
Wed. Aug. 9 B.C. at Saskatchewan 7:30 p.m.
Fri. Aug. 11 Shreveport at Hamilton 7:30 p.m. TSN
Sat. Aug. 12 Calgary at San Antonio 2:00 p.m. TSN
Sat. Aug. 12 Memphis at Baltimore 7:30 p.m. ESPN2
Sat. Aug. 12 Winnipeg at Birmingham 7:00 p.m.
Sun. Aug. 13 Edmonton at Ottawa 4:30 p.m.
Mon. Aug. 14 B.C. at Toronto 7:30 p.m. TSN
Fri. Aug. 18 B.C. at Winnipeg 7:30 p.m. TSN
Fri. Aug. 18 Birmingham at Calgary 7:30 p.m. ESPN2
Fri. Aug. 18 Saskatchewan at Edmonton 7:30 p.m.
Fri. Aug. 18 Ottawa at Shreveport 7:30 p.m.
Sat. Aug. 19 San Antonio at Hamilton 7:30 p.m. TSN
Sat. Aug. 19 Baltimore at Memphis 7:30 p.m.
Wed. Aug. 23 Ottawa at Saskatchewan 7:00 p.m. TSN
Fri. Aug. 25 Hamilton at Winnipeg 7:30 p.m. TSN
Sat. Aug. 26 Shreveport at B.C. 7:30 p.m.
Sat. Aug. 26 Toronto at Baltimore 4:00 p.m. TSN
Sat. Aug. 26 San Antonio at Memphis 7:30 p.m.
Sat. Aug. 26 Calgary at Birmingham 7:00 p.m. ESPN2
Sun. Aug. 27 Ottawa at Edmonton 2:30 p.m. TSN
Fri. Sept. 1 Birmingham at Ottawa 7:30 p.m. TSN/ESPN2
Sat. Sept. 2 Baltimore at Hamilton 8:00 p.m. CBC
Sun. Sept. 3 Winnipeg at Saskatchewan 2:00 p.m.
Sun. Sept. 3 Memphis at Shreveport 7:00 p.m.
Mon. Sept. 4 San Antonio at Toronto 6:00 p.m. CBC
Mon. Sept. 4 Edmonton at Calgary 1:00 p.m. CBC
Fri. Sept. 8 Calgary at Edmonton 7:30 p.m. TSN/ESPN2
Sat. Sept. 9 B.C. at Ottawa 4:30 p.m. CBC
Sat. Sept. 9 Toronto at Hamilton 8:00 p.m.
Sat. Sept. 9 Birmingham at Baltimore 7:30 p.m.
Sun. Sept. 10 Saskatchewan at Winnipeg 12:00 p.m. CBC
Sun. Sept. 10 Shreveport at Memphis 2:30 p.m.
Fri. Sept. 15 Winnipeg at Edmonton 7:30 p.m. TSN
Fri. Sept. 15 Baltimore at Shreveport 7:00 p.m. ESPN2
Sat. Sept. 16 Hamilton at B.C. 7:30 p.m. TSN
Sat. Sept. 16 Toronto at San Antonio 7:00 p.m. CBC
Sun. Sept. 17 Memphis at Saskatchewan 2:00 p.m.
Sun. Sept. 17 Ottawa at Birmingham 12:30 p.m. CBC
Tues. Sept. 19 Winnipeg at Calgary 7:00 p.m. ESPN2
Fri. Sept. 22 Edmonton at B.C. 7:30 p.m. TSN
Sat. Sept. 23 Saskatchewan at Toronto 8:00 p.m. CBC
Sat. Sept. 23 Hamilton at San Antonio 3:00 p.m. TSN
Sat. Sept. 23 Shreveport at Baltimore 7:30 p.m.
Sun. Sept. 24 Calgary at Winnipeg 1:00 p.m. CBC
Sun. Sept. 24 Birmingham at Memphis 2:30 p.m.
Fri. Sept. 29 Winnipeg at Hamilton 7:30 p.m. TSN/ESPN2
Sat. Sept. 30 San Antonio at Ottawa 1:30 p.m. TSN
Sat. Sept. 30 Toronto at Calgary 6:00 p.m. CBC
Sun. Oct. 1 Baltimore at Saskatchewan 2:00 p.m. ESPN2
Sun. Oct. 1 B.C. at Edmonton 1:00 p.m. CBC
Sun. Oct. 1 Shreveport at Birmingham 3:00 p.m.
Sat. Oct. 7 Saskatchewan at Baltimore 2:00 p.m. CBC
Sat. Oct. 7 Hamilton at Shreveport 3:00 p.m. TSN
Sun. Oct. 8 Ottawa at Memphis 1:00 p.m. CBC
Sun. Oct. 8 San Antonio at Birmingham 3:00 p.m.
Mon. Oct. 9 Winnipeg at Toronto 7:00 p.m. CBC
Mon. Oct. 9 Calgary at B.C. 1:00 p.m. CBC/ESPN2
Thurs. Oct. 12 Ottawa at San Antonio 7:30 p.m.
Fri. Oct. 13 Memphis at Edmonton 7:30 p.m. TSN
Fri. Oct. 13 Birmingham at Shreveport 7:00 p.m. ESPN2
Sat. Oct. 14 Toronto at Winnipeg 7:00 p.m. TSN
Sat. Oct. 14 Calgary at Saskatchewan 1:00 p.m. CBC
Sun. Oct. 15 B.C. at Hamilton 1:30 p.m. CBC
Thurs. Oct. 19 Shreveport at San Antonio 7:30 p.m.
Fri. Oct. 20 Memphis at Toronto 7:30 p.m. TSN/ESPN2
Fri. Oct. 20 Edmonton at Birmingham 7:30 p.m.
Sat. Oct. 21 Hamilton at Ottawa 1:30 p.m. CBC
Sat. Oct. 21 B.C. at Baltimore 7:30 p.m. TSN
Sun. Oct. 22 Saskatchewan at Calgary 1:00 p.m. CBC
Thurs. Oct. 26 Edmonton at Memphis 7:00 p.m. TSN/ESPN
Fri. Oct. 27 Calgary at Toronto 7:30 p.m. TSN/ESPN2
Sat. Oct. 28 Saskatchewan at B.C. 7:30 p.m. TSN
Sun. Oct. 29 Hamilton at Baltimore 2:00 p.m. CBC
Sun. Oct. 29 Ottawa at Winnipeg 2:00 p.m. CBC
Sun. Oct. 29 Birmingham at San Antonio 7:30 p.m.
PLAYOFFS
Divisional semi-finals:
Sat. Nov. 4
Sat. Nov. 4
Sun. Nov. 5
Sun. Nov. 5
Divisional finals:
Sun. Nov. 12
Grey Cup Championship:
Sun. Nov. 19 in Regina, Saskatchewan 5:30 p.m. CBC
============
_______________________________________________________
Mike Qua Mike...@CC.UManitoba.CA
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada. University of Manitoba
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"The man who complains about the way the ball bounces, is
likely the one who dropped it." -Lou Holtz
Ralph Connors
>
> In article <3ri2fo$s...@cs6.rmc.ca>, Ralph Connors <Connors_R%DCS%R...@banyan.rmc.ca> writes...
Greg
I apoligize if I sounded a little harsh to Jon, but I am getting
a little tired of people trashing our game without really watching it!!
I think many detractors of the CFL, would love this game if they just
sit down and watch a game without refering to the negatives (i.e.
management blunders, supposive "minor league" status).
Once again my apoligises
BTW. Just heard this morning on TSN (June 16), that it looks like
the exibition game at the Orange Bowl between Baltimore (go COLTS )
and Birmingham will be a great success. As of this morning over
41000!!!! tickets have been sold!!! Let's hope for a sellout!!! Just
wish I could be there.
Ralph
1
Yn3 Dykehouse
would win the Grey Cup. Don't insult the NFL bro. You only dream of having
someone like Deion "Primetime" Sanders in your league. Stick to Hockey, and
maybe even the Expos but don't mess with football.
Sincerely,
A Raider Fan (Yes, the Raiders, a real football team, in a real football
league).
INET: n1...@pnet16.navy.mil
cgr...@hookup.net
>In rec.sport.football.canadian deve...@amber.indstate.edu (Jonathan C.
>Enslin) said:
>
>>
>Showing interest in the CFL does not include pointing out the mistakes of
>the league. Weigh the pros with the cons. If you find that the game
>doesn't interest you, please unsubscribe this newsgroup. I believe I've
>said this before...
>
>BTW, I have noticed you have not placed any good points about this league.
>Focusing on the bad is a no-no! You would make a lot more friends here if
>you said good things about the league, just to boost our moral a little
>bit. :-) I have been a CFL fan as long as I can remember, and the
>criticisms you made sort of made me angry! It's easy for you to talk that
>way if all you've seen are NFL games.
>Please look at a CFL game before making any judgements.
>You might be surprised... it might even be better than (gasp!) the NFL!
>
>Perception is one thing, reality is another. The players in the CFL may be
>smaller, but does that make the CFL game inferior? I don't think so! The
>quickness of the players adds a new dimension to the game. I see it more
>as an advantage than a disadvantage.
>
>A dedicated CFL fan forever,
>
>Jody
I rather disagree with the viewpoint expressed by this CFL fan
(and I am a long-standing CFL fan myself). There is nothing
wrong with constructive criticism - it can even be life-saving.
Unfortunately this forum is likely ineffective in regard to the
translation of critical opinion into positive results. For example,
it is obvious that one of the fundamental flaws of the CFL
"braintrust" (such as it is) is the inabiltiy to effectively market
the product. Another is the CFL penchant for faux pas such as
drafting a dead man, a one-year expansion franchise and the
Posse resurrection fiasco...
In regard to the relative abilities of the average NFL player and
the average CFL player (or, for that matter, team vs. team) -
I've posted on this subject before. Clearly, the average NFL player is
better even given that the skill emphasis is somewhat different in
the two leagues. Nevertheless, there are a number of very good
CFL players - just look at this year to date - at least a dozen CFL
players have jumped to the NFL. There is a lot of football talent
out there, enough to easily supply two leagues. Looking at the
bottom line, the NFL has the TV money and the Made in America
designation...
Chris.
Carl Gordon Mellesmoen
: Hey Ralph, the CFL is so bad that if you put the Miami Hurricanes in it, they
: Sincerely,
^^^^^^^^
Address says it all.
Balto Colt
remove the top 10 guys you could take the other 30 and put them on any
team you like and you would not effect the outcome of the season to any
great deal!! The average stay in pro football is less than 2 full seasons
so give me abreak on talent front. Lets get one thing clear right off the
bat and that thing is money!!! If the C.F.L. had national TV contracts
and the nfl didn't the story would be different. With expandsion and the
need to fill air time along with the fact that the C.F.L. game is a great
game the networks will start to carry these games salary cap will go up
talent will get better than it already is and then we get watch the nfl
piss and moan (I can't wait)!
Happy Days
GO
COLTS!!!!!!!!!!!!
Balto Colt
Balto Colt
they have that jerk wad AL (I SURE I SUCKER THESE STUPID FANS FOR A COUPLE
MILL MORE!!!) Davis you got a whole lot a room to talk! Go back to nfl
news group and talk to someone who gives a crap!
Balto Colt
Dave Winter
>
>Hey Ralph, the CFL is so bad that if you put the Miami Hurricanes in it,
they
>would win the Grey Cup. Don't insult the NFL bro. You only dream of
having
>someone like Deion "Primetime" Sanders in your league.
ah yes the guy that gets into slapping(not punches,slaps)fights with
someone who is wearing a helmate. Very professional.
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>In article <DAAEs...@nctamsep.navy.mil>, n1...@pnet16.navy.mil says...
>>
>>Hey Ralph, the CFL is so bad that if you put the Miami Hurricanes in it,
>they
>>would win the Grey Cup. Don't insult the NFL bro. You only dream of
>having
>>someone like Deion "Primetime" Sanders in your league.
>
>ah yes the guy that gets into slapping(not punches,slaps)fights with
>someone who is wearing a helmate. Very professional.
*sarcasm on*
We already had that in the Rocket. Thouroughly enjoyable.
Of course the Miami Hurricanes could win a Grey Cup; they are a
professional team.
*sarcasm off*
I do not understand the need to bash the CFL, or the NFL. At least
the main opponent of the CFL that posts regularly to this group does
not need to result to this mindless drivel...
And this post was probably a troll, so if anyone catches this address
posting such utter nonsense here again...
Please ignore it.
ro...@microcity.com
To: IN:cgm...@cs.usask.ca
I >
I >Yn3 Dykehouse (n1...@pnet16.navy.mil) wrote:
I >: Hey Ralph, the CFL is so bad that if you put the Miami Hurricanes in it,
I >they
I >: would win the Grey Cup. Don't insult the NFL bro. You only dream of
I >having
I >: someone like Deion "Primetime" Sanders in your league. Stick to Hockey,
I >and
I >: maybe even the Expos but don't mess with football.
I >
I >: Sincerely,
I >
I >: A Raider Fan (Yes, the Raiders, a real football team, in a real football
I >: league).
I >:
Who the heck are the Miami Hurricanes?
Ron
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