Carbon Fibre sabre guards

Neil Brown

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Aug 5, 2001, 6:19:59 AM8/5/01

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Does anybody know if carbon fibre sabre guards are legal or where can I find
the technical specifications of what a guard should be?

I've got some, they're fantastically light (70g compared to 105g for a thin
Allstar guard with no insulation) & want to use them in Nimes this year.
(I've also got some to sell but that's not why I'm posting.)

Any well informed help would be appreciated.

Neil

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Mark C. Orton

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Aug 5, 2001, 12:06:45 PM8/5/01

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On Sun, 5 Aug 2001 11:19:59 +0100, "Neil Brown"
<neil....@virgin.net> wrote:

> Does anybody know if carbon fibre sabre guards are legal or where can I find
> the technical specifications of what a guard should be?

The specs are in the rule book, articles m.5 and m.24. I don't see
anything that specifies the material the guard is made of. However,
it does say "The two sockets of the bodycord plug must be in direct
contact with the guard by soldering". Soldering could be a problem.

-Mark-

Fencerbill

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Aug 5, 2001, 12:56:44 PM8/5/01

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These are reactions, rather than extensively thought about.

The sound of a blade being parried by the new guards. Referees, and I am
included, consider whether they heard the metallic sound of the blade hitting
the guard, when they decide whether the parry was inadequate or the light is on
from a whipover when the line is properly closed.

The completely non-conductive guard (which is an assumption which may be false)
and what it does to the whipover lockout in the scoring machine. I believe the
lockout is initiated when the attacker's blade contacts the defender's
blade/guard before contact with the defender's lame. In other words, if you
lose benefit of the lockout, you had REALLY better parry. Of course you can
parry faster and further with a lighter guard.

What I have been waiting for is Titanium guards. If Foil and Epee, why not
Sabre?

Bill Hall

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Chris Hagen

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Aug 5, 2001, 5:30:10 PM8/5/01

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In article <20010805125644...@nso-da.aol.com>, fence...@aol.com
(Fencerbill) writes:

>
>What I have been waiting for is Titanium guards. If Foil and Epee, why not
>Sabre?
>
>Bill Hall

Say what?!?

Wherefore art these modern marvels to be obtained?

Fencing = Fun!

Chris Hagen

Have Fun: Fence!
Chris Hagen

Amy & Joseph Kormann

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Aug 5, 2001, 9:03:30 PM8/5/01

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Chris Hagen wrote:
>
> In article <20010805125644...@nso-da.aol.com>, fence...@aol.com
> (Fencerbill) writes:
>
> >
> >What I have been waiting for is Titanium guards. If Foil and Epee, why not
> >Sabre?
> >
> >Bill Hall
>
> Say what?!?
>
> Wherefore art these modern marvels to be obtained?

Really! "Dear Santa..."

Fencerbill

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Aug 5, 2001, 10:56:20 PM8/5/01

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In article <20010805173010...@nso-cd.aol.com>,
clha...@aol.comspamx (Chris Hagen) writes:

>
>Wherefore art these modern marvels to be obtained?
>

Titanium Foil and Epee guards are available from several vendors, have been for
a year or more for Epee.

Blue Gauntlet has titanium guards with a steel disc riveted on. Blade has
one-piece (at least for Epee) with a thicker section around the blade. I have
had one for over a year and love it.

Bill Hall

Amy & Joseph Kormann

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Aug 6, 2001, 5:35:11 PM8/6/01

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Are they lighter? Any characteristic differences that you've noticed?
Are they legal in competitions?

-Joseph

Ye Olde Armourer

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Aug 6, 2001, 9:12:21 PM8/6/01

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They are indeed lighter and they are legal for competitions. Titanium is
one of the lightest and strongest metal made.

Tim Loomis
Ye Olde Armourer

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PAN CYAN

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Aug 7, 2001, 9:38:25 PM8/7/01

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doesnt their lightness imbalance the weapon?

PAN CYAN

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Aug 7, 2001, 9:40:12 PM8/7/01

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talked to a metalurgist friend about this and he said that titanium is too
brittle for a weapon guard

Fencerbill

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Aug 7, 2001, 10:12:34 PM8/7/01

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In article <20010807214012...@mb-mv.aol.com>, pan...@aol.com (PAN
CYAN) writes:

>talked to a metalurgist friend about this and he said that titanium is too
>brittle for a weapon guard

As one who uses one, perhaps it is an alloy that is referred to as "titanium".

Bill Hall

Paolo Damiani

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Aug 7, 2001, 10:16:03 PM8/7/01

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> talked to a metalurgist friend about this and he said that titanium is too
> brittle for a weapon guard

I think that the use of the term "titanium" is a misnomer in this case and
actually refers to titanium alloy.

Titanium alloys are plenty tough. I'd suspect that they would use Ti-6Al-4V:
it's pretty much the workhorse of titanium alloys.

Paolo

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Ye Olde Armourer

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Aug 8, 2001, 12:04:45 AM8/8/01

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No it doesn't anymore then the light weight Alu. does. you just learn to
balance the blade to the bell guard. Not a big deal.

Tim Loomis
Ye Olde Armourer

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Amy & Joseph Kormann

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Aug 10, 2001, 9:16:11 AM8/10/01

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I checked with them and they don't carry it. Any other suggestions?