DC United Game and WAFC Exhibition Event
JSH
Fozz
> http://wafc.org/story/941
wait, y'all are wasting time with the following?
1) arguing if "gay" and "queer" are words to be used in polite
company, and if so would it still make you a bigot, homophobic,
homosexual, so combination of the three.
2) blogging about blogging, lack of blogging, what is blogging...
3) dividing into factions base on two believe systems "OMG WE HAVE TO
HAVE REFS TO SAVE OUR SOULS" vs "REFS ARE MENTIONED IN THE BOOK OF
REVELATION, TEMP NOT THE APOCALYPSE!"
4) living 15 years in the past rating showcase games and all-star
teams from the early 90s. 6000 years of beautiful history?
5) discussing the merits of rating posts and why one might rate a
post.
6) hating the UPA of course... bunch of commie fascist.
BUT NOT ONE PERSON could bother to say: "Damn! That's kind of sweet
that DC United is hosting an ultimate exhibition game during
halftime. Reminds me of that cool thread we had going with details
about NYNY playing in Giants Stadium before that thread got
threadjacked like EVERY SINGLE other thread on RSD. Perhaps we could
discuss who from the DC area should participate? Anyone traveling
through the area? Hell, we could even discuss who from the DC area in
the mid 90s could have participate and if they had played would it be
the great halftime exhibition game ever?"
seriously? no one wanted to say anything about that? to repeat:
http://wafc.org/story/941
that's cool. sure it will be 130 degrees on the field, but it would
be fun to see. and dc united even has fans that attend the games so
there will be people and everything.
ugh...
much love,
fozz
slad...@gmail.com
Brilliant! Great opportunity to showcase the sport!
oacu...@mac.com
alumni allstars...
Jeff
the local Ultimate communites or the UPA does not serve the agenda of
Toad.
3jane.
It surprises me not at all that WAFC is getting this done. From Fools
to spring summer & fall leagues (all pretty much perfectly run, I
should know I played in a bunch of them) to now actually getting the
game out in front of a bunch of parents and *kids* at a moderately big
time sporting event, well done and entirely in character.
I think it also shows that, at least for now, this stuff is better
handled at the local level. UPA at this point doesn't have the
resources or local credibility to pull this stuff on any real scale.
What they might think about is "aggregating" all the local successes-
if there are more of these-and using that as leverage to approach the
national parent (MSL in this case).
ultic...@live.com
> Couple things on this:
> It surprises me not at all that WAFC is getting this done. From Fools
> to spring summer & fall leagues (all pretty much perfectly run, I
> should know I played in a bunch of them) to now actually getting the
> game out in front of a bunch of parents and *kids* at a moderately big
> time sporting event, well done and entirely in character.
are you implying that it WOULD surprise you if the upa were to pull
off somthing similar. sure seems so. OF WHICH.......why hasent the
upa ever actively sought out (AND SUCEEDED AT) "getting this done"?
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> I think it also shows that, at least for now, this stuff is better
> handled at the local level.
well the upa is local to denver........i'd say. Youde think theyde
pull it off first in THEIR local area and then set the preciednt for
orgs like wafc......rather than the other way around. I'd say the
wafc is making the upa look bad here........of course its the upas own
doing so more power to ya wafc!!!!
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UPA at this point doesn't have the
> resources or local credibility to pull this stuff on any real scale.
you forgot a couple other things they aint got..............THE BRAINS
OR THE BALLS
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> What they might think about is "aggregating" all the local successes-
> if there are more of these-and using that as leverage to approach the
> national parent (MSL in this case).
but why not INITIATE rather that AGGREGATE???? This would be yet
another case of them REACTING to the efforts of independent
contractors and then spinning it like its their own program and takin
all the glory. And how again is it that the upa dosent have the
resources to "pull this off" when the have a paid staff, a huge
volunteer network AND a large bundle of OUR cash?
ultic...@live.com
> UPA at this point doesn't have the
> resources or local credibility to pull this stuff on any real scale.
you know what else they dont have the resourses or local credibility
to pulloff????????? aquiring field site ownership!!!!!! yet for some
strange reason THAT issue is one of the eleven main initiatiives tha
the upa is prioritizing. I'd say they would not only be much more
successful in TAKING THE INITIATIVE TO ORGANIZE.....not simply
"aggregate" such half time promotions but also do more good for the
sport than puting efforts towards local orgs aquiring land(even in an
"aggregate" fashion).....especially when local municipalities are
already making such aquisitional efforts. On that issue ultimate
would be wise to take a tip from youth soccer and form partnerships
with the municipalities so that ultimate programing received
prioritiy. ALSO, aquiring land/fields is all about cold hard
cash.....and lets face it, if ultimate aint got the money to pony up
for refs......how you suckas gonna afford dirt.
Point being, initiating and organizing such promotional efforts should
be on the forefront of the upa administrative responsiblities.
neeley
> my list of 14 DC players to nominate for the game:
>
> for sheer excitement purposes I would want a mix of huckers,
> defenders, and personalities from the lockdown to the airborne (not
> necessarily the best squads): here's my list of those I love watching
> in dc who sacrifice their bodies, take shots, and generally make the
> sport awesome to watch:
>
> ryan morgan
> reid whitten
> deuce
> damon
> noah
> stout
> agan
> nick hollon (opie)
> matt broaddus
> lasky
> jarnail bajwa
> calvin
> ben bain
> jake horowitz
you forgot the neovs dude.
blw
> my list of 14 DC players to nominate for the game:
Great list. A suggestion or two:
Suggestion #1: Get 21+ players (unless you think there is a huge
talent drop-off, which I doubt).
Have everyone bring both colors, and a neutral third color for shorts.
After a line scores, replace the line that just lost the last point.
This will drastically cut down on fatigue and will shorten the between-
points time (giving you more Ultimate for the short half-time window).
Even the best players, if they are sucking a little wind, will start
to take a minute or two between points. If you only have 15 minutes,
this could mean only playing 10 points or so. Get a third line, and
pulling within 30-40 seconds should be possible.
Suggestion #2: Do not overemphasize the long ball.
I've played in 'showcase games' where we put a big emphasis on hucks.
This leads to huckfests, which leads to tons of turnovers, which tells
any athlete in the crowd that the skill level of the players (and
ability to work the disc) must be very low if low-percentage hucks are
the right play.
If you go short, short, short, short, short...and then finally a huck
opens up and you take it, it makes for much, much better viewing. Fans
understand risk/reward, and they know this rare moment is special.
Force the D to stop you, or else the game has an artificial feel to
it. When the huck finally does go up, it makes for a great fan moment.
Believe me on the first suggestion 'cause it makes obvious sense.
Trust me on the second suggestion 'cause I've been there.
And best of luck! Great work getting this thing to happen, and I look
forward to hearing about it!
blw
ultic...@live.com
> After a line scores, replace the line that just lost the last point.
> This will drastically cut down on fatigue and will shorten the between-
> points time (giving you more Ultimate for the short half-time window).
> Even the best players, if they are sucking a little wind, will start
> to take a minute or two between points. If you only have 15 minutes,
> this could mean only playing 10 points or so. Get a third line, and
> pulling within 30-40 seconds should be possible.
now wy wouldnt or shouldnt this philosophy be applied to all official
competition???? 30 to 40 secs is all any team should ever get between
points......unless its just pick up of course.
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> Believe me on the first suggestion 'cause it makes obvious sense.
"obvious sense".........that usually the same reason i often
use.......for the same exact thing. having the next line of players
ready to take the field to speed up the pace of the game and make it
more entertaining?!?!?!? who woulda thunk?
blw
> now wy wouldnt or shouldnt this philosophy be applied to all official
> competition???? 30 to 40 secs is all any team should ever get between
> points......unless its just pick up of course.
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If your goal is to make Ultimate marketable, I totally agree. 30s to
signal readiness, 40 seconds between points total. Longer delays (for
commercial breaks) during the 3-4 timeouts per half.
That is only IF your primary goal is make Ultimate marketable.
For UPA competition, the members have made it clear that they want to
play Ultimate in a way that is most fun to PLAY, not to WATCH. 30-40s
between pulls is exhausting. It requires more logistical support to
manage time-outs. It could lower the total athleticism displayed on
the field as players will be forced to train less for strength/speed
in order to maximize endurance. Or else they'll need to take larger
teams, meaning more players playing fewer points. Or at least, more
players playing less total time.
The most marketable way to play Ultimate is NOT the most fun way to
play. That is, unless you count 'watching yourself on TV' as the most
fun thing about Ultimate....I've watched myself on TV a couple of
times, and I spent most of the time cringing. I would definitely
rather play swilly pick-up than watch myself play. I didn't think that
would be true before I saw it, but it is definitely true for me.
UPA Ultimate is NOT the most marketable form of the game. The members
do not want it to, because it means sacrificing fun. Duh. Repeatedly
yelling this on RSD is not the result of a stroke of genius. It seems
more likely to be the result of a stroke.
ultic...@live.com
>
> If your goal is to make Ultimate marketable, I totally agree. 30s to
> signal readiness, 40 seconds between points total. Longer delays (for
> commercial breaks) during the 3-4 timeouts per half.
so by allowing 90 secs arent you sending the message that your goal
ISNT to market ultimate?
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>
> That is only IF your primary goal is make Ultimate marketable.
why wouldnt that be the goal? i thought ther was a big push to market
ultimate to the youth???? so i though that WAS already the goal? i'm
confused
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>
> For UPA competition, the members have made it clear that they want to
> play Ultimate in a way that is most fun to PLAY, not to WATCH. 30-40s
> between pulls is exhausting.
even with a 27 man roster?
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It requires more logistical support to
> manage time-outs.
most sports call such "logistical managers" refs.........which are
quite common
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It could lower the total athleticism displayed on
> the field as players will be forced to train less for strength/speed
> in order to maximize endurance.
the way i look at it, with such a "select" league, a lot would come
down to natural athletic ability. and remember we are talking about
reducing quantities and increasing qualities as a general philosophy.
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Or else they'll need to take larger
> teams, meaning more players playing fewer points. Or at least, more
> players playing less total time.
how about less players AND less total time.
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>
> The most marketable way to play Ultimate is NOT the most fun way to
> play.
maybe it is to those that would be able to shine in such an
environment. and as far as i remember ALL the players had a blast
playin in the nua allstar game.....which, to date, would be one of the
most marketable presentations of ultimate ever.
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That is, unless you count 'watching yourself on TV' as the most
> fun thing about Ultimate....I've watched myself on TV a couple of
> times, and I spent most of the time cringing.
so does that mean that the people that, when watching themselves,
DIDNT cringe DID have fun? so maybe its just a matter of weeding out
the players that make one cringe????
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I would definitely
> rather play swilly pick-up than watch myself play.
as would most......rather play swilly pick up that watch you play.
but there are some that might opt to watch the best of the best in
leiu of playing swilly pick up. And how about those of us that just
dont play anymore but might go watch some good teams play if it were
presented in a more "marketable" fashion???? Its seems you are
missing that whole end of the spectrum and what it could do to help
the sport grow.
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I didn't think that
> would be true before I saw it, but it is definitely true for me.
what do you expect.....your short and white?
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>
> UPA Ultimate is NOT the most marketable form of the game.
duh. tell us somthing we dont know. its too long (of an event), there
are too many games going on at once (too overwhelming), comp is too
watered down, nationals is held in a "newly wed or nearly dead"
obscure town, the rules suck, the game management sucks, its a piss
poor product as far as sports entertainment goes. but thats not the
athletes fault....OR THE SPORTS. its the fault of those that are in
charge on marketing, promotion and presentation.
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The members
> do not want it to,
that dosent mean they wouldnt be up for a DIFFERENT more marketable
version durring the summertime months. My personal survey showed
overwhelming support for the formation of such a marketable version of
ultimate to be persued by the upa.
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>because it means sacrificing fun. Duh.
again ben.....those that arent ashamed of there own play are the ones
having fun. surely you might know a few fellow ultimate players that
rarely make you cringe when watching them. you know, like when you
watch a guy like jordan or kobe bryant and they just never siece to
amaze you. yea, those guys aint havin no fun are they? and neither
are those of us that are amazed when we watch em. no fun there
either. probably why i wont watch the orlando la game tonight. i
just dont see any fun(or entertainment) in it.
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Repeatedly
> yelling this on RSD is not the result of a stroke of genius. It seems
> more likely to be the result of a stroke.
i'd say, repetedly ignoring and deneying it is the sign of someone
having had a stroke in that scenerio.
heltzooor
> you forgot the neovs dude.
the rare triple heckle. money.
ultic...@live.com
> that DC United is hosting an ultimate exhibition game during
> halftime. Reminds me of that cool thread we had going with details
> about NYNY playing in Giants Stadium before that thread got
> threadjacked like EVERY SINGLE other thread on RSD.
only diference would be that todays dc talent is a far cry from
yesterdays NYNY talent........and.........i'm pretty sure there werent
any women on the field when NYNY played in giant stadium.
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Perhaps we could
> discuss who from the DC area should participate?
yes, lets. I will open the discussion by proclaiming that it should
be strickly men playing in this game!!!
richarda...@gmail.com
> Suggestion #1: Get 21+ players (unless you think there is a huge
> talent drop-off, which I doubt).
>
> Have everyone bring both colors, and a neutral third color for shorts.
> After a line scores, replace the line that just lost the last point.
> This will drastically cut down on fatigue and will shorten the between-
> points time (giving you more Ultimate for the short half-time window).
> Even the best players, if they are sucking a little wind, will start
> to take a minute or two between points. If you only have 15 minutes,
> this could mean only playing 10 points or so. Get a third line, and
> pulling within 30-40 seconds should be possible.
This idea is a creative fix, except that it would be very confusing to
watch. As many people will have never watched the sport before and
know little about it, a three-team game without meaningful scoring
would be odd for people who can only assume that this is how the sport
is normally played. I'd go for ~12 man teams and encourage fast
substitution and short breaks.
> Suggestion #2: Do not overemphasize the long ball.
>
> I've played in 'showcase games' where we put a big emphasis on hucks.
> This leads to huckfests, which leads to tons of turnovers, which tells
> any athlete in the crowd that the skill level of the players (and
> ability to work the disc) must be very low if low-percentage hucks are
> the right play.
> If you go short, short, short, short, short...and then finally a huck
> opens up and you take it, it makes for much, much better viewing. Fans
> understand risk/reward, and they know this rare moment is special.
> Force the D to stop you, or else the game has an artificial feel to
> it. When the huck finally does go up, it makes for a great fan moment.
Agreed strongly, great point.
Also, posting a good writeup of who/what/when/how with debrief would
be a great resource for groups trying to set up similar events in
other towns.
ultic...@live.com
<richardaustinw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'd go for ~12 man teams and encourage fast
> substitution and short breaks.
see no thats what i would do for normal competitive
ultimate.......only maybe allow 12 man rosters. although 6 on 6 (thus
only requiring 12 man rosters) could be even better.
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>
> Also, posting a good writeup of who/what/when/how with debrief would
> be a great resource for groups trying to set up similar events in
> other towns.
or the upa could prioritize it as program INITIATIVE that they could
organize and oversee........if they werent so lame that is.
bluec...@gmail.com
> On Jun 4, 3:20 pm, "richardaustinw...@gmail.com"
>
> <richardaustinw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I'd go for ~12 man teams and encourage fast
> > substitution and short breaks.
>
> see no thats what i would do for normal competitive
> ultimate.......only maybe allow 12 man rosters. although 6 on 6 (thus
> only requiring 12 man rosters) could be even better.
>
>
>
> > Also, posting a good writeup of who/what/when/how with debrief would
> > be a great resource for groups trying to set up similar events in
> > other towns.
>
> or the upa could prioritize it as program INITIATIVE that they could
> organize and oversee........if they werent so lame that is.
I agree Toad. WAFC, please please please please please do not make
this a coed exhibition.
This should be such a great thing for ultimate, but for some reason it
makes me nervous and not at all excited. Actually, I know exactly
what the reason is. I can see it already. Disc is swung across the
field. A 45-yard huck goes up into the endzone. There's a little
contact between the offensive and defensive players and the disc ends
up on the ground. The offensive player calls a foul, but nobody in he
audience knows that. Now here's where everything goes wrong. Keep in
mind the audience is hearing nothing. Instead of hearing a whistle,
or instead of the defense player picking the disc up and continuing
play, the two players stand around discussing what happened. THREE
MINUTES LATER, the disc will go back to the thrower. What's even more
sad than what's going on on the field is what's happening in the
stands. Can you see it? It's another generation of DC sports fans
writing off the game of Ultimate.
Here's what I propose, WAFC. Get four observers. Pay them if you have
to. Put them in stripes or orange or yellow. Doesn't matter really
as long as they match and they look both official and well put
together. Now, stop calling them observers and call them referees.
Let them make calls. This game isn't for the people who know the
rules. It's to show the game off to those who don't know much, if
anything, about it. It, therefore, doesn't matter if the calls are
even good, only that they're made and that the game keeps moving and
stays entertaining.
3jane.
> makes me nervous and not at all excited. Actually, I know exactly
> what the reason is. I can see it already. Disc is swung across the
> field. A 45-yard huck goes up into the endzone. There's a little
> contact between the offensive and defensive players and the disc ends
> up on the ground. The offensive player calls a foul, but nobody in he
> audience knows that. Now here's where everything goes wrong. Keep in
> mind the audience is hearing nothing. Instead of hearing a whistle,
> or instead of the defense player picking the disc up and continuing
> play, the two players stand around discussing what happened. THREE
> MINUTES LATER, the disc will go back to the thrower. What's even more
> sad than what's going on on the field is what's happening in the
> stands. Can you see it? It's another generation of DC sports fans
> writing off the game of Ultimate.
>
> Here's what I propose, WAFC. Get four observers. Pay them if you have
> to. Put them in stripes or orange or yellow. Doesn't matter really
> as long as they match and they look both official and well put
> together. Now, stop calling them observers and call them referees.
> Let them make calls. This game isn't for the people who know the
> rules. It's to show the game off to those who don't know much, if
> anything, about it. It, therefore, doesn't matter if the calls are
> even good, only that they're made and that the game keeps moving and
> stays entertaining
Observers/refs are probably a good idea but if they ain't there the
solution is simple, *do* *not* *call* (or commit) *fouls* (or anything
else, especially travelling or picks) in a 10 minute showcase game.
ultic...@live.com
>
> I agree Toad.
If i only had a dime for every time someone wrote that.
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WAFC, please please please please please do not make
> this a coed exhibition.
yet for some reason somthing tells me they will. i think dc is too pc
not to.
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>
> This should be such a great thing for ultimate, but for some reason it
> makes me nervous and not at all excited.
i am completely with ya there.
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Actually, I know exactly
> what the reason is. I can see it already. Disc is swung across the
> field. A 45-yard huck goes up into the endzone. There's a little
> contact between the offensive and defensive players and the disc ends
> up on the ground. The offensive player calls a foul, but nobody in he
> audience knows that. Now here's where everything goes wrong. Keep in
> mind the audience is hearing nothing. Instead of hearing a whistle,
> or instead of the defense player picking the disc up and continuing
> play, the two players stand around discussing what happened. THREE
> MINUTES LATER, the disc will go back to the thrower. What's even more
> sad than what's going on on the field is what's happening in the
> stands. Can you see it? It's another generation of DC sports fans
> writing off the game of Ultimate.
>
> Here's what I propose, WAFC. Get four observers. Pay them if you have
> to. Put them in stripes or orange or yellow. Doesn't matter really
> as long as they match and they look both official and well put
> together. Now, stop calling them observers and call them referees.
> Let them make calls. This game isn't for the people who know the
> rules. It's to show the game off to those who don't know much, if
> anything, about it. It, therefore, doesn't matter if the calls are
> even good, only that they're made and that the game keeps moving and
> stays entertaining.- Hide quoted text -
>
word fucking up......i mean, if you arent gonna argue calls, take
exessive time between points and are actually putting out a product
that IS marketable then you are misrepresenting what ultimate really
is anyways. so ya might as well misrepresent it in a way that makes
it MORE appealing .
SO DICKEAR it seems i have come up with two MORE smart and educated
ideas,.........USE REFS WITH WHISTLES and NO CHICKS!!!!!!
ultic...@live.com
> field. A 45-yard huck goes up into the endzone. There's a little
> contact between the offensive and defensive players and the disc ends
> up on the ground. The offensive player calls a foul, but nobody in he
> audience knows that. Now here's where everything goes wrong. Keep in
> mind the audience is hearing nothing. Instead of hearing a whistle,
> or instead of the defense player picking the disc up and continuing
> play, the two players stand around discussing what happened. THREE
> MINUTES LATER, the disc will go back to the thrower. What's even more
> sad than what's going on on the field is what's happening in the
> stands. Can you see it? It's another generation of DC sports fans
> writing off the game of Ultimate.
BUT DONT YOU SEE THAT THIS IS THE EFFECT THAT EVERY ULTIMATE GAME AND
OR EVENT PRESENTLY HAS ON PEOPLE. Why do some of you feel a sence of
urgancy to change/update/modernize the presentation and format just in
these types of "promotional" settings and not in other normal official
comp?????? especially for finals and showcased games......like the
one held at college nationals. Its just as much of a disgrace or
"setback" to the sport when not presented properly at a nationals
event as it is in this setting. now it might not influance as many
people but anyone who does see it in a "non marketable" fasion will be
impacted the same way where ever they see it being presented.
ultic...@live.com
>
> Observers/refs are probably a good idea but if they ain't there the
> solution is simple, *do* *not* *call* (or commit) *fouls* (or anything
> else, especially travelling or picks) in a 10 minute showcase game
in other words.......COMPLETELY MISREPRESENT THE SPORT!!!!!!!!
Reggie Fanelli
---i'm a certified observer and would help if you guys need it!
ultic...@live.com
observers would do the trick......but you guys would have to have your
mechanics down a lot better than at nationals.....and face a sideling
scorekeeper when announcing calls and results. and on goals, no
looking back, just hands straight over your heads. These spectators
are gonna want immediate gratification.
someone should definitely film this.......and posibly use it as an
instructive tape on officiating.
Only bad part is, what is gonna happen if and when some interested
onlooker seeks out a different advertised ultimate event and it comes
nowhere nearly as close to living up to that halftime show. I guess i
just dont get why you wouldnt format a league/series in which you
could/would present ultimate and showcasr ONLY ITS BEST ATHLETES in
this style on a regular basis........like how blue was talkin
about??? just dosent make sense not to.
bluec...@gmail.com
I completely agree with you Toad. (again) There should be refs (full-
fledged refs, not observers) at as many games as possible. I don't
understand in the least the opposition to refs. But, I also see a
especially strong need to use refs in situations like these. The hope
is that it won't be misrepresenting the sport for very long. I think
(or is that hope) that using refs is the direction that the sport is
already moving in, and hopefully having a fully reffed exhibition game
will allow non-ultimate fans to see how fun the game can be to play
and watch, and will allow ultimate fans the ability to see how much
better the reffed game is to watch than the self-officiated game.
ultic...@live.com
another dime......cha ching
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There should be refs (full-
> fledged refs, not observers) at as many games as possible. I don't
> understand in the least the opposition to refs.
its because, unfortunately, most of our idiot administrators side with
blw on this issue. they want to propagate some kind of theraputic
cult type hybrid sport where, obviously, there is more emphisis on
conduct than competition. its a sad state of affairs. I just feel bad
for the sport that its all tangled up in a bunch of needy jock rejects
issues with normal sports.
neeley
> On Jun 4, 5:27 pm, bluecla...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > I completely agree with you Toad. (again)
>
> another dime......cha ching
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dude, you're totally gonna have enough for a five piece nugget and
maybe a frosty tonight. may i suggest mixing the bbq and honey mustard
sauces?
boomgard
On Jun 4, 9:26 am, heltzooor <helt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> my list of 14 DC players to nominate for the game:
>
ultic...@live.com
> play Ultimate in a way that is most fun to PLAY, not to WATCH.
first off, show me data that "clearly" proves that (and please dont
use somthing in which only 6% of the membership gave feedback). and
second.....there is only a very small percentage of ultimate that
would be worth to market(as a spectator sport) anyways.......so i'm
sure thos not good enough to play would be all for the changes that
would make it more enjoyable to watch.
My data showed CLEARLY that membership was supportive(around 90%
approval......highest support of all the issues responded to) of a
summertime elite select league that was geared towards markerting and
exposing the sport that would be run by the upa.
Bryan Steffen
a couple of items about the exhibition, to gather more helpful
feedback from you all. This discussion is great.
-We will only have 5 minutes to play at halftime, a very limited
amount of time to do a real demonstration of a game.
-There is a huge Volkswagon logo that goes right in the middle of the
field, that we are not allowed to run over. We can't set up a field
right in the middle then.
-I believe we are allowed to have an announcer on the PA system, so we
can have someone describing the action, rules, scoring as it happens.
Just some more details about the event if you have any ideas. We are
also working on getting a women's demonstration at halftime of a
Washington Freedom game (women's professional soccer, yes it is back)
in August.
AMW
> -I believe we are allowed to have an announcer on the PA system, so we
> can have someone describing the action, rules, scoring as it happens.
Find a couple of people who are interested in being announcers, and
have them practice announcing, maybe during a league game or local
tourney. You could even make it like an audition. Make sure they
know everyone's names, and also have a set of prepared tidbits about
the athletes (Joe Schmoe is ready to receive the pull for dark, he was
all-region in college at State U), ultimate in general, WAFC, where
people can go to see more, etc, to make maximum use of every second of
downtime or time between points. With only 5 minutes, everything
needs to be super-tight to have any kind of positive impact.
> Just some more details about the event if you have any ideas. We are
> also working on getting a women's demonstration at halftime of a
> Washington Freedom game (women's professional soccer, yes it is back)
> in August.
Sweet. If the first demo works well, maybe you can get more than 5
minutes next time.
Are the soccer players not allowed to run over the VW logo? Seems
like a ridiculous caveat, but at this point I guess you gotta take
what they'll give you.
Bring discs, shirts, etc, to throw into the crowd, preferably with the
WAFC url on them.
-AM
AMW
in the first place, this is very cool. Best of luck with the
implementation.
blw
> -I believe we are allowed to have an announcer on the PA system, so we
> can have someone describing the action, rules, scoring as it happens.
Great work, Bryan!
One more piece of unsolicited advice: Don't let the announcer define
throw names.
Repeatedly, I have seen announcers give definitions like "a forehand
is thrown with two fingers on the rim of the disc, on your right hand
side of you body, blah blah". This is while players are running and
diving and doing all kinds of more interesting things.
If you say, "Jim with the great forehand to Eric", your average fan
understands what a forehand is. Similar to basketball in this way;
where an announcer wouldn't take time out of live action to define the
motion of what a 'hook shot' is. I don't know why we (as a sport) get
so concerned with bystanders knowing the correct way to define a
hammer (especially when we, as a sport, have so many different names
for it).
AMW's idea (having announcers practice) is 100% right on. Having done
some announcing, that first second when you hear your voice magnified
is terrifying. You MUST practice beforehand.
Some Portland folks set up a Blazer's halftime game a while back.
Great work on their part, and the game went really well (in a very
short time-span). Hearing their thoughts on it would be really
valuable.
blw
Bryce
thousands of new registrations for WAFC
Fisher
> Just get Frankie Hazera on the PA system and you'll instantly have
> thousands of new registrations for WAFC
Chris Fortin for callahan, 2010
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Micah Tapman
> http://wafc.org/story/941
The exhibition went over well, here's the full write-up on the WAFC
site. http://www.wafc.org/story/1027
3jane.
WAFC-the only organization in this town that actually works. Well
done (as usual).
Peachy
Turns out they had side-by-side women's and men's scrimmages, w/ about
40 yard fields playing 5 on 5.
It was Truckstop v Truckstop and Scandal v. Scandal.
Given the short fields and the 5 minute game, there were lots of
"hucks," but well over half were completed, at least in the men's
game.
There was on average less than 15 seconds btwn pulls, so the action
never stopped.
Also lots of layouts, several gratuitous but still better than many
dives you see in soccer.
the 18,000 fans paid attention pretty well - ironically the best cheer
was when a pull landed in a trash can just off the field.
The highlight was the end of the men's game - a double helix full
field that the receiver caught in a sweet layout:
http://www.ultiphotos.com/wafc/2009/exhibition/main_event/h35959e54#h35959e54
sadly, in the end, no announcers were allowed.
but it was a great show, and WAFC got about 300 folks to attend, so
i'm sure we could do it again next year. just get rid of the damn VW
logo and you could play two full field games in parallel.
nt27
agreed, the exhibition was really cool. i also did a write-up here:
http://87tilinfinity.wordpress.com/2009/07/20/ultimate-at-the-dc-united-game/
Kevin Leclaire
fortunately there were several action sequences at 6 frames a second that
enabled me to get 90+ photos during that time.
The full galleries are here: http://www.ultiphotos.com/wafc/2009/exhibition
Enjoy!
-Kevin
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>
> the 18,000 fans paid attention pretty well - ironically the best cheer
> was when a pull landed in a trash can just off the field.
isnt there a whole disc sport based on just that.........so maybe its
not so ironic. maybe you guys are simply showcasing the wrong sport