HEY RPI TRUDGE.....
ulticritic
attention too) and an add came on for a childrens cd called
KIDSBOP........and youll NEVER GUESS what song they were featuring on
it..........thats right, "party in the usa". I guess you guys will be
putting that cd on your christmas wish list.
Reggie Fanelli
---which KidsBop??????
we've got 1-15...except for one, i think.
i think we're missing #3.
Party in the USA is on #17....along with I Got a Feeling by Black Eyed
Peas and Battlefield by Jordan Sparks.
it's on Anakin's wish list!
we also have the 80s Jams Kids Bop....it's nice work.
ulticritic
case in point.......this music is for 12 year old girls......not
college guys that play ultimate. have you seen their 5 ulti vid
mike? if you havent DONT, it will make you nausious.
Squeege
> college guys that play ultimate. have you seen their 5 ulti vid
> mike? if you havent DONT, it will make you nausious.
Just in case you get curious.
Joe MacDonald
college guys that play ultimate"
If a 12 year old "female" (i'll pretend to subscribe to the gender
binary for the purposes of this discussion) were to gain admission to
a college and then identify as "male" and then play ultimate, would
you be offended were he to play "Party in the USA" while warming up?
also, this discussion is already going on in this thread:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.disc/browse_thread/thread/ff8a9daa453a716d/8ee41fc9b9b7f279?q=pussy&lnk=nl&
ulticritic
wrote:
>
> If a 12 year old "female" (i'll pretend to subscribe to the gender
> binary for the purposes of this discussion) were to gain admission to
> a college and then identify as "male" and then play ultimate, would
> you be offended were he to play "Party in the USA" while warming up?
A 12 year old girl "warming up to" and a group of 20 year old guys
"gaying off to" are two ENTIRELY different things.
MIKE, IF THERE WERE EVER A TIME NOT TO CLICK ON TO AN ATTACHMENT THIS
IS IT!!!!!!!
rock lazer
it also made me want to go play ultimate!
Reggie Fanelli
> IS IT!!!!!!!
----uhhhhhhh......sounds more like the time to NOT to click.
ulticritic
> that video made my day.
what exactly made your day about it? this is strange to
me.......there is one group of people that this video repulsed and
another that seemed to love it. I wonder if the same group that it
repulsed is more in favor of refs in ultimate????
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> it also made me want to go play ultimate!
while listening to the likes of miley cyrus??????
Mc
RSD:
While it is unequivocal that the ultimate community listens to music
that is complete shint, we should not be so hasty as to subsume the
best song of the year in this concept.
"Party in the USA," about which I know nothing else than what I've
heard (i.e., the song), is the best pop song of the year. Obviously
the tune is catchy, the "shout outs" convenient, and the face a Disney
family archetype: The whole thing is a matter of production.
Nevertheless, in the eye of this whirlwind of inauthenticity, the
current American condition stands unconcealed, dis-covered to be
gleaned. Properly heard, the song expresses the fear most Americans
feel in these uncertain times, and the escapism by which we are
mitigating it. It is not insignificant that the lyrics tell of
anxiousness, queasiness, and uneasiness, relieved by music and
partying.
If we're bold enough, we can even conceive the song as justifying
escapism by thoroughgoingly reinterpreting American life as a banal
party: The DJ plays my song and I feel alright...the butterflies fly
away...it's a party in the USA.
Full Disclosure: I listen primarily to Jazz. A friend of mine informed
me of this discussion, as well as recent discussion on this forum
about bad music, particularly the bad music to which ultimate players
listen. Recently (the last 3 or 4 months), this friend has gotten me
to listen to some popular radio stations.
ulticritic
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> - Show quoted text -
well DID YA WATCH their video where they morphed a queer acting
trubute to what i can only believe is some kind of gay anthem in with
the SPORT OF ULTIMATE?????. i think alot of people felt that was
extreemly inappropriate.......where as others relished in all its free
wheelin, fun luvin gayness.
also, i grew up disecting the lyrics of bob dylan songs, pink floyd,
the doors, etc. I didnt "come up" in that era though.....but dont
think we didnt have our trivial yet "snappy" tunes that climbed up to
number one in the eyes of 12 year old girls "charts" then either. and
dont think people werent "anxious back in the day either. also, dont
forget your talking about the experience of a pampered little rich
girl that was basically born into he present image. I'd rather hear a
tune and some lyrics to match that came from someone that earned their
way int that position.
disclainme, i will admit that its a catchy tune although i dont really
go for pop music, in fact its too bad them trudge guys ruined any
enjoyment i might get from listening to it. you know, guilty by
association. which is all irrelevant to the point in which rpi
tarnished the sport.
ulticritic
> > well DID YA WATCH their video where they morphed a queer acting
> > trubute to what i can only believe is some kind of gay anthem in with
> > the SPORT OF ULTIMATE?????. i think alot of people felt that was
> > extreemly inappropriate.......where as others relished in all its free
> > wheelin, fun luvin gayness.
>
> I believe it was you above, Toad, who vehemently and vociferously
> spoke
> against watching the video... and now you're going to upbraid the
> master
> chief himself, MC, for not watching it?
not upbraiding......just inquiring
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> I agree with MC about everything he said concerning the song, and
> although
> I personally didn't think the video was something to be watched more
> than
> once, or even one full time, it is not without merit.
i'll agree, gay pride is a merrit after all
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> on one level, those guys are just doing what they need to in order to
> get money.
what did they know about 5 ulti that others didnt?
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> even you should be in support of that, something which will help the
> growth
> of the sport, such growth which may be a pre-requisite to the adoption
> of a reffed
> rule enforcement system of which you are a proponent.
i dont hink this dispaly helps the image of ultimate AT ALL......aside
from 5's silly contest.
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> secondly, every legitimate contact or even incidental-contact sports
> team that
> I've ever played on has contained elements of homoerotic behavior
> which I
> believe play a very important role both in terms of levity and
> camaraderie.
excuse me?
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I
> suppose I get that view from wrestling in ohio, but anybody who knows
> anything
> about high school wrestling knows that ohio is top 3 in the nation
> consistently,
and their teams shoot videos mimicking overtly queer dudes gaying off
and lipsincing their gay anthem????????
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> so it seems that this behavior does not limit the team's
> competitiveness.
or gayness........which beggs the question, does exessive gayness
limit a teams competitiveness.
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> MC would likely agree with me, himself having been a high school
> wrestler in
> ohio for many years as well.
are you saying there is a corelation between wrestling and being gay?
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> Aside from that though, why don't you start a new thread talking about
> the
> tragedy that is homo-eroticism in professional sports?
i dont even know what that means. I was just joking rpi cause i heard
that "party" tune being sung on the childrens cd. In fact, i think
the chipmonks did a remake of it too. So does this mean ulti players
will be jammin out to the chipmonks at the tournies they attend?
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You won't get
> any
> following. Going through the motions such as slapping high fives,
> giving
> teammates taps on helmets, shoulder pads, and even butt pads, is not
> a sign of "free wheelin, fun luvin gayness" but rather a sign that you
> and
> your teammates are confident in their own skin, comfortable with
> eachother,
> and a sign that you don't take yourself too seriously all the time.
so where does the overt gay acting, dancing, pouring chocolotte on
ones self fit in?
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>
> just because you wouldn't make a video like the trudge guys doesn't
> mean
> you're more masculine or heterosexual at all.
yea, it just makes me less gay......not in a sexual way (refer to
louis ck's "CHEWED UP" to get a better understanding of that use.
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it might instead mean
> you aren't comfortable enough
> with your own sexuality to do something outside the "ordinary" or
> limited gender binary
> without fearing that somebody might call you names.
or i'm just not gay
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>
> I suppose you're now going to tell me that this video is on par with
> the trudge video.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmPAjsePug8
>
> from plato's symposium;
OH YEAAAAAA!!!! all them dude used to gay off (SEXUALLY) back
then.......so ya really cant go by what he says
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> "And if there were only some way of contriving that a state or an army
> should be made up of lovers and their loves, they would be the very
> best governors of their own city, abstaining from all dishonour, and
> emulating one another in honour; and when fighting at each other's
> side, although a mere handful, they would overcome the world. For what
> lover would not choose rather to be seen by all mankind than by his
> beloved, either when abandoning his post or throwing away his arms? He
> would be ready to die a thousand deaths rather than endure this. Or
> who would desert his beloved or fail him in the hour of danger?"
?????????????
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>
> had I put it in its original greek, you probably would've taken a shot
> at my sexuality too.
> But I don't really care what you think anymore.
too bad you couldnt have stopped caring prior to writing this pile o
crap
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I've tried and tried,
> but even Frank has
> managed to turn a new page towards other people's opinions as of late.
> I've tried to engage you time and again in different threads, and EVEN
> through one on one emails.
i prefer to keep it public
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> You even blasted me when I emailed you in earnest, asking your opinion
> for how to
> bring about change in the ultimate community towards the end of refs.
well, you must have come accross as a kook
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> Why I thought that was a worthwhile endeavor, I will never know;
i still cant figure it out
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> youthful exuberance, perhaps.
ehhhhh, i'd call it basic stupidity
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> But you're not worth it.
yes.......the depth of your response proves this
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You are spiteful, embittered, and old.
done, done and done........dosent mean i aint right
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a
> cretin whose calls
> for refs are dwarfed by the overwhelming litany of homophobic,
> pejorative, and classless
> points you care to shoot from the hip.
isnt that what rsd is for?
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>
> if that video REALLY offended you, contact the trudge guys.
I AM!!!! didnt i make that clear in the title of this thread?
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I can
> guess they're not going to care,
> so I suggest you just get over yourself.
>
> i'm getting tickets for the next miley cyrus show in town. anybody
> want to check that out with me?
i'm sure their a slew of real gays in your area that would take you up
on thet
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> ps, she is 17, not 12.
yea, but the lot of her fans are 12 year old girls(aside from an
obvious gay following).........which is kinda my point here.
Mc
fact, I was heretofore entirely unaware that there even was a video of
which to speak, and I have concerned myself only with the Miley Cyrus
song being discussed, along with its place, or lack thereof, within
the larger context of shint music, particularly that shint music
listened to by ultimate players.
While I will not take the time to dissect the argument of "the
ulticritic" in its entirety, I will say that I believe he, as it were,
"missed the boat." Weston, in a hundred words or more, agreed with the
critic that the video is "turrible," but cited the Miley Cyrus song as
perhaps its only saving grace.
Additionally, Weston's point about homoeroticism is not without
significant merit, though I would ascribe the sentiment he's
expressing more to eroticism than homoeroticism. Eros, more generally
considered, is manifest in different forms, only one of which is
sexual in nature. Juxtapose this fact with the incontrovertible truth
that love (or, eros) is present between teammates (this is the case by
definition, inasmuch as the term "teammate" properly describes a
relationship between two individuals), and it is clear that Weston is
not just "speaking in bunkhams," as much of this dreadfully spammed-
out forum seems to do. This love of teammates is often expressed in
bizarre or complex ways, like in the pre-game high fives and charades-
style photography sessions of the Cleveland Cavaliers, or in some 1.25
seconds of fame (less than 10% as significant as the classic) youtube
video made by a budgetary ultimate prograhm (sic).
As far as the music is concerned, there has always been, and always
will be, songs of angst, anxiety, and fear. Nobody claimed Miley Cyrus
to be original in this regard, or in any other. This doesn't mean that
our current climate is not one of anxiousness, though. Also, for the
record, I didn't forget that Miley was "born into her present image."
In my initial posting I called her "a matter of production," and
described her activities as "a whirlwind of inauthenticity."
Lastly, I do not believe that wrestling has anything to do with being
hetero or homosexual; it has only to do with being a bad mother-mofo.
This concludes my discussion time.
ulticritic
> I have not, to answer your question, watched the video in question. In
> fact, I was heretofore entirely unaware that there even was a video of
> which to speak, and I have concerned myself only with the Miley Cyrus
> song being discussed, along with its place, or lack thereof, within
> the larger context of shint music, particularly that shint music
> listened to by ultimate players.
well go watch the vid.....THEN get back wit me
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>
> While I will not take the time to dissect the argument of "the
> ulticritic" in its entirety, I will say that I believe he, as it were,
> "missed the boat." Weston, in a hundred words or more, agreed with the
> critic that the video is "turrible," but cited the Miley Cyrus song as
> perhaps its only saving grace.
like i said....watch the vid then get back with me
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>
> Additionally, Weston's point about homoeroticism is not without
> significant merit, though I would ascribe the sentiment he's
> expressing more to eroticism than homoeroticism.
well i dont give a good goddamn about this wenston fuck you speak of
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Eros, more generally
> considered, is manifest in different forms,
......or eros
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only one of which is
> sexual in nature. Juxtapose this fact with the incontrovertible truth
> that love (or, eros) is present between teammates (this is the case by
> definition, inasmuch as the term "teammate" properly describes a
> relationship between two individuals), and it is clear that Weston is
> not just "speaking in bunkhams,"
whats he speak in then........gay???
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as much of this dreadfully spammed-
> out forum seems to do. This love of teammates is often expressed in
> bizarre or complex ways, like in the pre-game high fives and charades-
> style photography sessions of the Cleveland Cavaliers, or in some 1.25
> seconds of fame (less than 10% as significant as the classic) youtube
> video made by a budgetary ultimate prograhm (sic).
there was none of that in the trudge vid........just a bunch of gaying
off. IN FACT, i believe they even stopped playing ultimate so they
could dance and gay off to the tune
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>
> As far as the music is concerned, there has always been, and always
> will be, songs of angst, anxiety, and fear. Nobody claimed Miley Cyrus
> to be original in this regard, or in any other. This doesn't mean that
> our current climate is not one of anxiousness, though.
i dunno, back in the day many ultimate players were dead heads.... or
enthusiasts of equally sophisticated music........not music directed
mainly 12 year old girls.
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Also, for the
> record, I didn't forget that Miley was "born into her present image."
> In my initial posting I called her "a matter of production," and
> described her activities as "a whirlwind of inauthenticity."
and your still a fan (or defending her music as a legitmate
"choice"?)? so shes a complete phoney AND her music is for 12 year
old girls.......
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>
> Lastly, I do not believe that wrestling has anything to do with being
> hetero or homosexual; it has only to do with being a bad mother-mofo.
hey, you are the one that insinuated some kind of homosexual
connection.
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>
> This concludes my discussion time.
smell ya later
Eli Motycka
put up to get a SPONSORSHIP; chill and recognize it for
what it was made for, i.e. COMEDY VALUE.
--
Posted from http://www.rsdnospam.com
ulticritic
> Stop overanalyzing the VIDEO. It's a VIDEO some college kids
> put up to get a SPONSORSHIP; chill and recognize it for
> what it was made for, i.e. COMEDY VALUE.
but there was no comedy to it......and certianly no value.
Piolpi
the video as it pertains to ultimate, then I'd suggest
taking your direct/indirect personal attacks somewhere else.
The_Diner
First you are putting down these kids for being gay, when obviously
they are truly embracing the true aspect of the sport and that is to
enjoy them selves. They aren't making a high light reel to promote
their team, they are enjoying themselves and enjoying the spirit and
brotherhood that has brought their team together and made them a
better bunch of friends.
I also think you need to grow up. You dont need to call out people
posting on here, have an adult discussion. No need to put people down
instead of hearing peoples actual comments. Saying you dont give a
fuck about something or some one is no proper response to give. This
is the true issue pulling down the face of Ultimate to the public.
The attitude that the game isnt about spirit, but about people who get
so riled up in things that they forget what and how to truly hold
themselves in the public eye and in the eye of their peers.
ulticritic
and i'd suggest that you piss off!
ulticritic
> I have been reading through this and I find this a little rediculous.
> First you are putting down these kids for being gay, when obviously
> they are truly embracing the true aspect of the sport and that is to
> enjoy them selves.
first off i'd say that those boys were enjoying themselves just a
liitle ( by little i mean a lot) too much.......if ya know what i
mean. 2nd, all sports are about enjoying yourself........but not in
the way the are doing it. and if ya notice they actually STOP playing
ulti in order to gay off and queerly dance together on the FIELD OF
COMPETITION........thats a discrace to the sport (OR ANY SPORT), no
two ways about it. 3rd, most "athletes" enjoy themselves via a sport
by WINNING. remember, WE PLAY THE GAME TO WIN........not to queerly
dance to some 12 year old song. This is a simple case of these guys
mistaking a sports movement for a gay movement.
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They aren't making a high light reel to promote
> their team,
well since they mimicked a vid that a bunch of queers to so to fly
their gay flag to what i assume is their new gay anthem it appears
that they were attempting to promote some kind of gayness more so that
a sport. That or they are simply making fun of gays, right?
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they are enjoying themselves and enjoying the spirit and
> brotherhood that has brought their team together and made them a
> better bunch of friends.
but when ya do that by mimicking a overtly gay pride display and put a
slight ultimate twist to it it just shows ultimate in a bad and
inaccurate light. i mean, what is the average sports minded person to
think of such a performance? what does the average ultimate person
think of it. I'd say most spirit zealots are ok with it but ALL
progressives are appauled by it. uhmmmmmm?????
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>
> I also think you need to grow up. You dont need to call out people
> posting on here, have an adult discussion.
it aint about what i "need to do".......its about what i "WANT TO
DO".......and i do what the fuck i want.
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No need to put people down
> instead of hearing peoples actual comments.
well, i got my own way of doing shit..........so dont fuckin worry
about it. You are obviously a pussy ass spirit zealot that sees no
harm in such a display. many others of us arent.
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Saying you dont give a
> fuck about something or some one is no proper response to give.
how about not giving a SHIT???? does that work any better for ya?
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This
> is the true issue pulling down the face of Ultimate to the public.
i dont know what the fuck that means.......how is the face of ultimate
being pulled down to the public? AND WHAT PUBLIC ARE YOU EVEN TALKING
ABOUT? come to think of it, what the fuck is "the face" of
ultimate????
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> The attitude that the game isnt about spirit,
its not. If it were, you guys wouldnt have to rely on observiators to
play honestly, now would ya? from what i can tell ultimate is really
no different from any other sport. theres an "O" and a "D", the goal
tis to score more points that your opponent, and the team with the
most points at the end wins. so whats is spiritual about that in the
least??? now i could see if you guys did somthing insane like not
keep score or declare a winner.......but yall dont do that, now do
ya? Personally, i dont think yall gots the level of spirituality to
pull that off? which beggs the question.......does this mean all ths
"spirit" shit yall spew is just a facade?????????
but even if it WAS about spirit, in all my 40 years of being
associated with this sport NEVER have i seen such and overtly GAY
display of this supposed spirit you speak of than with this trudge
gayness
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but about people who get
> so riled up in things that they forget what and how to truly hold
> themselves in the public eye and in the eye of their peers.
BINGO......you nailed it right there.......trudge OBVIOUSLY forgot how
to conduct themselves in public and they SURELY didnt think about how
this would be perceived by their peers........or at least their non
gay peers.
or are you refering to the endless ult-debates that plague this sport
from simple pick up games all the way to worlds finals. the
disrespect for opponents AND THE RULES THEMSELVES?, the explicits that
are callously hurled back and forth between so called friends? the
overt bogus and bailout calls that are made by people ALL THE
TIME???? are these the "riled up" displays you are refering to????