best open club players that didn't go to the big time colleges
corey
we actually never even qualified for regionals. we were bad. but i
turned out alright.
who's playing top level club now that never played for the big state
schools or carlton? anyone on the JAMs, revolvers, bravos, sockeyes,
ironsides etc. etc now that never even went to college regionals? is
that still possible in this day and age?
Reggie Fanelli
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
---cool questions!
I hope this thread gets lots of replies and interest!
for what college team did you play, Corey, and for what club team did/
do you play with now?
Kablakastani
Miles Montgomery Butler (or Stupid Miles to the rest of us) and Micah
Flyn of Bodhi both went to Skidmore and played with the Wombats. Miles
never made regionals... Micah is only all region player in team
history. Hannah Phillips and Megan Scholhammer both formerly of Slow
White are also Skidmore Alumni, though the women folk have made
regionals quite a bit more than the men.
CBrowning
students) without a club team. There was a group of guys that played
pickup several times a week and then we had intramurals in the
spring. I learned to throw, catch, read a disc, etc. out there, but
never played an organized game until I moved to Denver and played
league (who knew that running your defender into someone to get open
was against the rules?).
There have gotta be some studs out there that have had similar
experiences.
Dave
Atlantic here. I'll limit this to Open div. players since that seems
to be what you're asking:
Danny Clark (Ironside) and Keven Moldenhauer (Truck Stop) both went to
Salisbury State (now Salisbury Univ.) when they made Nationals twice
in 1999 and 2000.
Jason Simpson (Chain) went to Georgia State and Mark Poole (Chain)
went to Georgia College & State Univ.
Ryan Todd (Ironside) went to Johns Hopkins.
Michael "JRaffe" McAndrew (Truck Stop) went to Towson Univ.
Josh Mullen (Ironside) went to Lehigh.
ache...@hotmail.com
with the hippies cuz he didn't like the vibe of the team.
Knappy
started playing about 10 years ago, when he was 29ish.
jacob
leftydisc
Danny Trytiak skipped college & went from Ballard High to Sockeye.
3jane
> with the hippies cuz he didn't like the vibe of the team.
Imagine that. What a shocker. The anti-spirit zealots alienated a
good player. Gee I wonder if it will make them rethink their
methods. It is a good topic. To my knowledge (and I should know)
Kenny Dobyns never played college Ultimate.
b-lo
it seems Corey's looking for good players who played for college teams
that didn't accomplish anything even when they played there (as
opposed to players who managed to get their mediocre programs to
college nationals).
Let me throw out J Dono who despite being a Syracuse alum, has managed
to make quite a name for himself in the club world. And Syracuse
SUCKED. Perhaps if he played in the callahan-goal era, they might
have faired better.
B-Lo
H
Notable graduates of Reed College, which has never been to Regionals:
Ian Fisher - Rhino
Shane Rubenfeld - Rhino
Keith Calkins - CTR
Jake Horowitz - Truck Stop
Lars Fjelstad - Whoreshack
Adam Tarr
> Jason Simpson (Chain) went to Georgia State and Mark Poole (Chain)
> went to Georgia College & State Univ.
Jason also played with Georgia Tech, and made regionals with both GT
and GSU.
AJ, also of Chain, went to Oglethorpe. I don't think they've ever had
a team.
scpoulos
I played with UNC-Asheville in 2001 and fsu from 03-05. made regionals
with those teams, but were by no means big-time college ulti scenes.
What was great was getting the best of the best players from those
college programs, all the while playing every single point. funny how
the top names get all the hype when they never tried to cover me
because they just played offense mostly for their teams with huge
rosters. playing ironman ultimate and kicking ass at it is the
ultimate achievement. pun intended.
stephen
ring of fire #14
skipper
Manzell Blakeley
Might as well add some Lewis & Clark alums, like Courtney Dale and
Miles Kusch, although I don't know who they play for anymore
Zeldin
> with the hippies cuz he didn't like the vibe of the team.
I played at UNCW during those years and played with Rocky and the
hippies. We even had a Ultimate Frisbee class (maybe 95) one year
with many of those hippies and players in the same class. I'm pretty
sure we got along alrigt. But at the time we were playing/training to
try and win nationals and that kind of dedication isn't for everybody,
especially in college. We trained our asses off to get better and our
vibe was plenty good. I guess it wasn't for him but he was always an
awesome dude. Glad to hear he is balling on a good team. Always
thought he would of made a good Seamen.
I know of a guy who was an amazing player and didn't play college.
Can't remember his name but he was a tall dude for Seatle with long
hair. I think Chris Pager told me something like he walked up on some
people playing in the park one day and started killing it from there.
Wish I could remember his name because he had mad skills. Maybe
someone out west can help me out with his name. He played at Fools on
the East Coast the year of We Smoke Weed and just dominated the
tournament.
Zeldin
3Jane-What methods you talking about? Who are you? How do you know
what the Seamen are doing? Worry about your own methods.
Reggie Fanelli
> with the hippies cuz he didn't like the vibe of the team.
--what years was he around UNCW?
i remember that guy to be an ace....summer league?...hippie league?
H
wrote:
Also from L&C: Joe Durst: Bravo
Reggie Fanelli
> good player. Gee I wonder if it will make them rethink their
> methods. It is a good topic.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
--leave it to this guy to be a fucking prick.
shocker.
David Lionetti
His name was Greg Shiring, from Pittsburgh, but I think he had a
nickname that most folks knew him by after he moved to Seattle. I
think that's who you are talking about, z, at least he fits the bill.
3jane
> what the Seamen are doing? Worry about your own methods.
I'm not worried about a thing mate, I'm retired, I can say anything I
want. Don't worry, you'll be here soon enough yourself. In truth I
could give a fuck about the seamen except they had the rep as the
biggest cheaters in Ultimate back in the day and now all their alumni
want to be refs and post about it 24/7 on rsd. Go figger.
seanc
corey was an impact player for the condors during their more recent
glory years (believe he started in 1999). i know he's from the east
coast, but don't know what team he played for out there. used to host
a helluva hat tournament in, like, the woods somewhere.
sean
miles
on Rhino and 1 on Bravo. I wanted to throw out some Pacific Lutherin
players; Tad Jenson and Matt Malius capitan Rhino and Arron Bell,
although he played for a year at Oregon, went to PLU, a team that
sometimes (50% chance) makes regeonals. Also Blane from Sockeye went
to PLU, however, I'm not sure he played on their team.
mk
Zeldin
> His name was Greg Shiring, from Pittsburgh, but I think he had a
> nickname that most folks knew him by after he moved to Seattle. I
> think that's who you are talking about, z, at least he fits the bill.- Hide quoted text -
>
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Zeldin
"Only a numbskull thinks he knows things about things he knows nothing
about."
jim
Funny you should say that about the seamen being cheaters.
What I do know is that the seamen used to love when opponents would
choose to use observers against them...cause they (opponents) thought
the seamen were cheaters!
I don't think observers ever overturned a call the seamen made....they
(observers) always agreed!
it's an interesting thing....being called cheaters....when you play by
the rules....and make calls....based on the rules!!
Did you ever play against or watch the seamen play?
I did...they played hard, but always played by the rules....may have
been aggressive, but they were fun to watch and very good....never
cheaters though!!
matty j
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I think that Corey was SUNY New Paltz?
definitely a div II beer bracket team.
MJ
cole ingraham
just because Reed never went to Regionals, doesn't mean they never
qualified. Northwest Regionals is often the same weekend as their Renn
Fayre, and they frequently chose to skip regionals to attend Renn
Fayre and go to D-3 nationals instead. I'm not saying I fault their
decision as I've been to parts of Renn Fayre (and I was told the more
tame parts, and it was still fun) just mentioning that their program
actually puts work in and gets some results.
-Cole
On Aug 25, 7:29 pm, H <ahalv...@gmail.com> wrote:
Brandon bt Twine
> Kenny Dobyns never played college Ultimate.
Dobyns played at Columbia U, I believe.
I'm on Double Black, a nationals masters team, have played nationals-
level club since the mid 80s, and I never played college, even though
I've been playing since HS.
BT
Double Black #96
leftydisc
>
> - Show quoted text -
Shekky. He's still playing w/ Mixed team D'oh!
Parinella
>
> - Show quoted text -
He and I went to middle school together. That Fools team was Mr. Yuk
Reunion in 1998, my only Fools victory.
My college didn't have a team either.
raybies
Don't forget Adam Holt! from PLU. He's now on Sockeye, and spent 3
years in the UK tearing it up with Clapham, including a trip to 2008
WUGC Worlds and the 2009 World Games. I'm pretty sure PLU has
qualified for regionals more times than not though. There was no
official PLU team when Blaine was there.
Torre
I think covenant went to d3 nationals(once) during his time there, but
there school hasn't played in sectionals the past few years.
ian.fisher
would refer to reed as a "big time college" for ultimate. nonetheless,
we've had 3 players for rhino in the last three years. bryson uhrig-
fox, a current senior at reed, bears mentioning.
also, grant cole, from lewis and clark, is a former? or current rhino
player.
there are a lot of great players coming out of south portland liberal
arts colleges, but they've all suffered the arduous task of carrying
an entire team of young and inexperienced players through their junior
or senior years.
fish
Eric
Rhino has / had a number of players who didn't go to a big-name
college.
A few notables:
Andy Neil
Paterson Seaton
Graham Seaton
Brian Henrickson
Breeze Strout
jacob
had the rep as the biggest cheaters in Ultimate back in the day and
Go figger."
I played against the Seamen '91-'95, the "bad" years. They weren't
really that bad. They definitely weren't out to make as many friends
as the other teams, but this is not the same thing as cheating.
Corey S did go to Suny New Paltz. I think '94 was his last year. He
was a solid role player; I wouldn't call him a star, so his name
should not be on this thread. (Cue Corey telling us about all his
rings.)
What about all those studs from Canada? I know UBC men's and women's
have been good in the past, but there must be Goat, Furious and Prime
(or whatever the Vancouver ladies are called these days) players who
played for weak college teams up there.
Kazan
that I am pretty sure didn't make regionals when they were there and
definitely weren't even whiffing at nationals, but now crush opponents
between their pinky toes:
Robbie Gilles (Syracuse) - Condors, Pony
Katie Dolara (Skidmore) - DC + Colo. womens
Margalit Gould (Vanderbilt) - DC womens
Geoff Buhl (Rutgers?) - Pike, Condors
Brandon Redding (Allegheny) - Truck Stop, Hooray
Eugene Yum (Johns Hopkins) - Pike, Amp
Dave Brandolph (Hofstra / Temple) - Amp
Dusty Rhodes (NYU) - Pike
Zac Roy (NYU) - Puppet
Tai Carvalho (CalTech) - Safari
Roca Dope
> On Aug 25, 3:19 pm, corey <sanfor...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > people always laughed when i told them that my college team sucked.
> > we actually never even qualified for regionals. we were bad. but i
> > turned out alright.
>
> > who's playing top level club now that never played for the big state
> > schools or carlton? anyone on the JAMs, revolvers, bravos, sockeyes,
> > ironsides etc. etc now that never even went to college regionals? is
> > that still possible in this day and age?
>
> with those teams, but were by no means big-time college ulti scenes.
> What was great was getting the best of the best players from those
> college programs, all the while playing every single point. funny how
> the top names get all the hype when they never tried to cover me
> because they just played offense mostly for their teams with huge
> rosters. playing ironman ultimate and kicking ass at it is the
> ultimate achievement. pun intended.
>
> stephen
> ring of fire #14
toot toot.
H-train
> Damien Scott of Jam and team USA played for Rice in the late 90s.
Cloud 9 was good in the late 90s...they made natties in '97, '99 and
'00.
H-train
Cloud 9 '05
Hoping to get to natties in '09
Reggie Fanelli
> could give a fuck about the seamen except they had the rep as the
> biggest cheaters in Ultimate back in the day and now all their alumni
> want to be refs and post about it 24/7 on rsd. Go figger.
---ok....i'll "figger" for you.
played by the rules and played good hard physical ultimate.
now-a-days.....the way we played then, is exactly how observers call
the game today....observers allow good hard physical ultimate...by the
rules.
we played in a way contrary to many other teams...hoping it would
bring observers to our games....opponents always requested them....and
the observers ALWAYS helped and agreed with our calls.
we helped create this beautiful way the game is now called by on field
officials.
Reggie Fanelli
> Funny you should say that about the seamen being cheaters.
> What I do know is that the seamen used to love when opponents would
> choose to use observers against them...cause they (opponents) thought
> the seamen were cheaters!
> I don't think observers ever overturned a call the seamen made....they
> (observers) always agreed!
> it's an interesting thing....being called cheaters....when you play by
> the rules....and make calls....based on the rules!!
> Did you ever play against or watch the seamen play?
> I did...they played hard, but always played by the rules....may have
> been aggressive, but they were fun to watch and very good....never
> cheaters though!!
---nice.
Reggie Fanelli
> Zac Roy (NYU) - Puppet
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
---it's tough to call NYU a "crappy ultimate school".....
because these guys got some training....
at.....
WUFF CAMP!!!
Felix
http://www.pushpass.co.uk/clip-of-the-day/cotd-jedi-vs-flaze-unexpected-catch.html
Torre
> Ben Slade also spent some time in 2006 playing Uni Ultimate in the UK:
>
yeah, forgot about that when i posted it- and i also forgot that he's
playing for clemson now. so yah.
Torre
Cara Hauk(deliverance, ozone) and Zach Robbins(ret) both played for UT-
Chattanooga(never making regionals) while on the 06 Deliverance team
that made nationals.
b-lo
Geoff Buhl, despite some hard mean muggin in some Rutgers video is not
a Rutgers alum. He coached there as a postdoc. If i'm not mistaken,
he played at Michigan and UCSC.
Dusty Rhodes is just an okayplayer.
B-Lo
Brian Buck
despite contrary beliefs actually does exist. He's a baller.
Misha
> On Aug 25, 3:03 pm, Dave <TUFris...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Jason Simpson (Chain) went to Georgia State and Mark Poole (Chain)
> > went to Georgia College & State Univ.
>
> Jason also played with Georgia Tech, and made regionals with both GT
> and GSU.
>
> AJ, also of Chain, went to Oglethorpe. I don't think they've ever had
> a team.
Yeah but if I recall AJ played with Emory. They weren't very good but
they had him and Flo.
dusty rhodes
Robbie Gilles (Syracuse) - Condors, Pony
Katie Dolara (Skidmore) - DC + Colo. womens
Margalit Gould (Vanderbilt) - DC womens
(Buhl deleted for going to multiple real schools and monkey dance)
Brandon Redding (Allegheny) - Truck Stop, Hooray
Eugene Yum (Johns Hopkins) - Pike, Amp
Dave Brandolph (Hofstra / Temple) - Amp
Dusty Rhodes (NYU) - Pike
Zac Roy (NYU) - Puppet
Tai Carvalho (CalTech) - Safari
This will be a strange contention... but I know some of those guys/
gals made regionals.
I watched them there
...with Zac Roy and Jeff "Flyboy" Ho who were both far better college
players than I ever was.
Both of Puppet. And, more notably, Philthy. As is Brandolph.
Sometimes.
But he's like knee high to a hockey puck.
Can't possibly be any good.
Mike G Wrote:
Mike:
Please keep advertising "WUFF CAMP!!!".
BUT
I never attended your camp.
On the other hand:
I lost to Dartmouth B at Beasterns in 2002 as a senior.
And that was the best year we had while I was at NYU.
Wait. I think that was the same hand.
music on tap: thelonious monk, monk alone
dusty.rhodes*
at gmail.com
*- "Just an okayplayer", quoth the laziest man in ultimate.
Reggie Fanelli
> BUT
> I never attended your camp.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
yeah Dusty...i knew that as soon as i posted that...that i was going
to be wrong.
Reggie Fanelli
> And that was the best year we had while I was at NYU.
--Beasterns is a killer tournament......
Reggie Fanelli
To my knowledge (and I should know)
> Kenny Dobyns never played college Ultimate.
---curiously....is this joker's assertion that KD never played college
ultimate correct?
(because he should know)
Misha
Steve --
It's also possible they chose not to cover you because you (used to)
make terrible calls.
Oh, snap.
Misha
Swarthmore '03
3jane.
> ultimate correct?
> (because he should know)
You're right big guy, I should restate that. What I do know is that
he did not play college Ultimate when I played club with him in
1981-82, when I would guess he was about 18-20 or so. I did live in
the same city and hang out with him a bit for a number of years after
that and never heard of him playing college but of course it is
possible. Now go buy yourself a cowboy hat and make another
fascinating 6 posts in a row. Are you a retired billionaire like toad
or just someone who has nothing better to do than post the same shit
to rsd all day long?
Reggie Fanelli
> he did not play college Ultimate when I played club with him in
> 1981-82, when I would guess he was about 18-20 or so. I did live in
> the same city and hang out with him a bit for a number of years after
> that and never heard of him playing college but of course it is
> possible.
---sooooo....you're just a big ole name dropper, huh?
Reggie Fanelli
---why would i go buy a cowboy hat?
Reggie Fanelli
make another
> fascinating 6 posts in a row.
---make posts?
you're tight with the hip world wide web lingo, huh?
Reggie Fanelli
---no, i'm not a retired billionaire like toad.
i'm not sure he's a billionaire....but i do see him walking the
neighborhood while i'm driving to work.
he says it's one of his two exercise sessions of the day.
Reggie Fanelli
---i am just someone...like everyone else....doing whatever we do.
Reggie Fanelli
> to rsd all day long?
---who?
i guess about nearly everyone of us who posts to rsd.
seems like everyone posts the same stuff.
me...about WUFF Camp, all the tournaments i host, observing, coaching,
observer code and uniform and philosophy....other stuff too i
guess....
you...about stuff you don't know shit about...and then try to make up
for it by name dropping.
jacob
Reggie Fanelli
> and what was this thread about again?
--sorry.
stay on task.
scpoulos
damn, that hurts! say it ain't so man. probably had something to
do with me working out a lot, which is so fun!
Bullardo
Ditz is OK too.
-JB
Brian
> Off topic, but ... "I could give a fuck about the seamen except they
> had the rep as the biggest cheaters in Ultimate back in the day and
> now all their alumni want to be refs and post about it 24/7 on rsd.
> Go figger."
>
> really that bad. They definitely weren't out to make as many friends
> as the other teams, but this is not the same thing as cheating.
>
> Corey S did go to Suny New Paltz. I think '94 was his last year. He
> was a solid role player; I wouldn't call him a star, so his name
> should not be on this thread. (Cue Corey telling us about all his
> rings.)
>
> What about all those studs from Canada? I know UBC men's and women's
> have been good in the past, but there must be Goat, Furious and Prime
> (or whatever the Vancouver ladies are called these days) players who
> played for weak college teams up there.
Corey tells tales of his glory days often enough that other people can
toot his horn for him. The Sanford stat I remember best? "More D-
blocks at Hawaii Worlds than any other Condor." He remembers each one
vividly, too.
So far, I haven't heard a name drop as pathetic as SUNY New Paltz
alongside accomplishments as impressive as UPA Champs x2, World Champs
x1... perhaps such a feat is no longer possible. Granted, I have no
idea who many of these other players are. Besides playing on a semi-
notable team, what have these guys accomplished?
pgw
> Corey tells tales of his glory days often enough that other people can
> toot his horn for him.
Doesn't that just make it more of him (indirectly) tooting his own
horn?
jacob
alongside accomplishments as impressive as UPA Champs x2, World Champs
x1"
Brian, the thread topic is "best open club players ...", not "players
with the most rings." There is an overlap of these two categories,
but they are not the same thing. (I'm not saying other guys listed
here are better than Corey, since, like you, I don't know who many of
them are.)
Again, Corey was a solid role player. And he remains a fine human
being to this day.