Infamous spitting incident
Euh
ulticritic
> did you do it or not ?
i guess forgiving and forgeting isnt within the scope of values that
playing under the ideal of sotg fosters, eh? .
Greg Southfield
> i guess forgiving and forgeting isnt within the scope of
> values that playing under the ideal of sotg fosters, eh? .
I don't believe SOTG includes "forgive and forget." But it
does state you should play by the rules.
Here's the Wall Street Journal write up on the original
question.
http://www.ultimatehandbook.com/Webpages/Media/mediawall.html
Ultimate Frisbee Gets Down and Dirty, And Some Cry Foul ----
Shouting, Spitting, Spiking And Swearing Bring Calls For
Referees With Teeth
By Ross Kerber - Staff Reporter of The Wall Street Journal
After a score by the Port City Slickers in a big
ultimate-frisbee game against the Seattle Sockeye team two
seasons ago, an exultant Slicker spiked the disk, prompting
angry protests from Sockeye defender Ed Avery.
What happened then made frisbee history. After players
including Slickers veteran Mike Gerics joined the argument,
Mr. Avery emerged from the crowd wiping his forehead.
"He spit on me!" a disbelieving Mr. Avery shouted, putting
the finger on Mr. Gerics.
Mr. Gerics later received a one-year suspension that began
last summer. It was the first such ban, and to many of the
sport's devotees, a disturbing sign of the times.
ATHLETICISM OF YORE
"In the old days, teams . . . would just throw it deep and
beat you with their athleticism," says Kevin Givens, an
organizer at the University of California at Santa Cruz.
"Now, they'll intentionally foul you, cussing the other
players. That's not in the spirit of the game."
Mike O'Dowd, a veteran of San Francisco's powerful Double
Happiness team, says he may retire rather than play with new
teammates who fight and talk trash. "The team I started with
was a kinder, gentler team," says Mr. O'Dowd. These days, he
says, "any big game becomes a matter of ill will."
Founded in the antiauthoritarian 1960s, ultimate frisbee is
having an identity crisis. Once played by a few iconoclasts
at New Jersey high schools, the disk-hurling game patterned
loosely after touch football has grown into a sport of about
65,000 competitors, with amateur leagues, a national
tournament and a governing body -- the Ultimate Players
Association -- that dreams of TV contracts and Olympic
recognition.
But to purists, the growth has attracted too many people who
cheat, argue and hack, leading to proposals for something
the sport has never had -- full-fledged referees. Until now,
officiating has generally been limited to top tournament
games -- and only when both sides agree to it. Even then,
the officials usually have no power to intervene on their
own and can make calls only when asked by a player.
It's time to stop "sociopathic behavior" on the playing
field, says Jim Parinella, who plays for the
national-champion Death or Glory team in Boston and who
leads the call for more referee power.
Full-on refereeing faces an uphill battle in a sport where
breaks for beer are still common and teams favor names like
We Smoke Weed, Lady Godiva and Bovine Intervention. The
ultimate mainstream isn't ready for prime time -- and proud
of it. Most people who play the game can't even bring
themselves to use the word "referee." They prefer
"observer."
The antiref crowd also notes that the level of bad behavior
is still far from that in sports where players choke coaches
and bite off bits of ear. They also worry that more
officiating would destroy the game's tradition of
sportsmanship, which includes a strong honor code whereby
players are encouraged to rat on themselves, and a rule book
that officially decries a "win at all cost" mentality.
But self-regulation doesn't always work. At last year's
world-championship tournament in Vancouver, Canada, Kenny
Dobyns of the Westchester County (N.Y.) Summer League
All-Stars body-slammed Sockeye star Jon Gewirtz --
supposedly in retaliation for obscene taunts. With Mr.
Gewirtz pinned, Mr. Dobyns whispered in his ear, "Don't let
this get out of hand."
At the women's national championship in Sarasota, Fla., last
October, two players were benched by their captains to
curtail their cursing and pushing. A year earlier, as coach
for East Carolina University at the Women's Collegiate
Championships, Mr. Gerics, the spitter, alleged that Sarah
Savage, coach of the University of California team, was
instructing her players to make illegal throws. Ms. Savage
says that Mr. Gerics circled her team's huddle, hurling
obscenities.
"He says, `No wonder you only have eight players, you're a
hag and you chase everyone away,'" recalls Ms. Savage. She
also says the ECU players were abusive on the field. "The
women were literally screaming, blood vessels rupturing in
their faces," Ms. Savage says. Mr. Gerics denies he used
obscenities or behaved inappropriately.
'INTENT TO MAIM?'
UPA head observer Vic Kahmi says more-powerful judges also
might deter recklessness. Mr. Kahmi says he recently
witnessed a game in Princeton, N.J., where a North Carolina
college player dived for a flying disk he had no chance of
catching and crashed into the intended receiver, dislocating
the poor fellow's shoulder. "Was there intent to maim? I
don't think so, but he wasn't playing under control," says
Mr. Kahmi.
When played as designed, ultimate frisbee combines speed,
grace and powerful hurling with a grueling pace.
Seven-player teams try to pass the frisbee down the 70-yard
field and across the opponent's goal line. Possession
switches when the disk is intercepted, thrown out of bounds
or touches the ground. Tackling, running with the disk or
stripping it away aren't allowed during matches, which
typically are played to a score of 15 or 21 and last about
90 minutes. Receivers try to break free for the overhand
toss known as the "hammer" or the Hail Mary bomb called the
"huck." Hurlers must pass the disk within 10 seconds
according to a "stall count" called out loud by defenders.
Leagues are springing up in such places as Denver and Los
Angeles, adding to established groups in Silicon Valley,
Washington, D.C., Boston and elsewhere. With so many
talented athletes, top tournaments like one in
Fredericksburg, Va., earlier this month include more
pirouetting throws than a season at Shea Stadium.
But the lack of referees also slows games. A match between a
Carnegie Mellon University alumni team and the We Smoke Weed
squad from New York featured as much negotiation as scoring.
A typical pause came when Carnegie Mellon's Calvin Lin
stopped a stall count to suggest that a defender had stepped
on his foot.
BUD BREAK
Another delay came when New York's Mr. Dobyns, now playing
for the Weed team, called timeout to pass around cans of
Budweiser to his teammates. Some also shared a joint the
size of a small flashlight. Afterward, the alumni team
pulled away to prevail 12-5. "We're too stoned to argue!"
yelled one Weed player after an opponent called a hacking
foul.
Some ultimate graybeards trace the rise of aggressive
behavior to Mr. Gerics, who as an undergraduate at the
University of North Carolina at Wilmington and later at East
Carolina, helped bowl over and heckle opponents en route to
collegiate ultimate titles in 1993, 1994 and 1995. The
tactics toppled Ivy League frisbee dynasties because, as Mr.
Gerics puts it, "most ultimate players were kind of geeky
intellectuals. East Carolina, it's not the hardest school.
We're bad---, we're rednecks."
After graduating, Mr. Gerics joined the Port City Slickers
in Wilmington, for whom he played in the infamous spitting
game. Mr. Gerics, who wouldn't admit his infractions at
first, now apologizes. "I'm pretty embarrassed about it," he
says.
But while serving out his suspension, he has found a new
love-ultimate officiating at local college tournaments in
North Carolina. Players, he says, rarely dispute his calls
because "I wouldn't try to get in an argument with me."
--
Posted from http://www.rsdnospam.com
Euh
love-ultimate officiating at local college tournaments in
North Carolina. Players, he says, rarely dispute his calls
because "I wouldn't try to get in an argument with me."
Was that some kind of way to redeem himself or there is more (or less)
to it than that ?
rieck55
need to be constantly warned exactly "what" they're dealing
with
ulticritic
>
> "In the old days, teams . . . would just throw it deep and
> beat you with their athleticism," says Kevin Givens, an
> organizer at the University of California at Santa Cruz.
> "Now, they'll intentionally foul you, cussing the other
> players. That's not in the spirit of the game."
thats wierd, becuse i remember an old ifa mag that showed a pic of two
team FIGHTING.......and for those that dont know, the ifa existed "in
the old days"
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>
> Mike O'Dowd, a veteran of San Francisco's powerful Double
> Happiness team, says he may retire rather than play with new
> teammates who fight and talk trash. "The team I started with
> was a kinder, gentler team," says Mr. O'Dowd. These days, he
> says, "any big game becomes a matter of ill will."
WHAT A JOKE....mike odowd was a member of one of the biggest ASS HOLE
TEAMS of all times.......maybe even THE biggest.......windy city
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>
> Founded in the antiauthoritarian 1960s, ultimate frisbee is
> having an identity crisis.
its always had one
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.
>
> It's time to stop "sociopathic behavior" on the playing
> field, says Jim Parinella, who plays for the
> national-champion Death or Glory team in Boston and who
> leads the call for more referee power.
he does/did?
ulticritic
> Nope, no forgive or forget for irritants like you two.
well thats not very christian of ya......or budist (didnt you mention
somthin about nirvana?) i guess your jewish? but for the record, i'm
not apologizing about ANYTHING, so i require no forgiveness
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Folks
> need to be constantly warned exactly "what" they're dealing
> with
which is what? a person who advocates the use of refs in sports? are
you really THAT repulsed BY PEOPLE THAT SHARE THAT SAME MINDSET? you
must secretly loath a shit load of people.
> --
> Posted fromhttp://www.rsdnospam.com
Smoothie
> which is what? a person who advocates the use of refs in sports? are
> you really THAT repulsed BY PEOPLE THAT SHARE THAT SAME MINDSET? you
> must secretly loath a shit load of people.
It's got nothing to do with your mindset on refs. Or Mike's on
observers. That you continue not to understand that despite plenty of
explanations, is sadly telling.
rieck55
sports? are
you really THAT repulsed BY PEOPLE THAT SHARE THAT SAME
MINDSET? you
must secretly loath a shit load of people.
refs, because they are full of folks such as yourself,
spiritless, with borderline intergrity and honor, bad
manners, lacking courtesy, just bullies, who can't control
themselves without some authority ready to lay down the law
when your self control fails you yet
again...............YOUR PAL....Leaker
Euh
> Nope, no forgive or forget for irritants like you two. Folks
> need to be constantly warned exactly "what" they're dealing
> with
Just curious: how do people react when they learn that he will be
acting as an observer for a game ?
Regardless of how competent he is, I would expect that with a CV like
his, some people may feel.....uncomfortable?
Euh
> On Mar 7, 4:40 pm, Greg Southfield <greg.southfi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "In the old days, teams . . . would just throw it deep and
> > beat you with their athleticism," says Kevin Givens, an
> > organizer at the University of California at Santa Cruz.
> > "Now, they'll intentionally foul you, cussing the other
> > players. That's not in the spirit of the game."
>
> thats wierd, becuse i remember an old ifa mag that showed a pic of two
> team FIGHTING.......and for those that dont know, the ifa existed "in
> the old days"
it's called "ultimate"....what do you expect ?
Link to this pic please, I' d like to see it.
Smoothie
I think the issue is less about the impact of Mike's history on his
role as an observer, which IMHO shouldn't be affected one way or
another by the spitting incident. However, there's a legitimate
question about whether that incident, Mike's demeanor online
(homophobia, etc), and his well documented dealings with the UPA put
him in a position to lead an organization (even his own), and to make
that organization's benefits available to Ultimate generally via
partnerships with existing organizations (the UPA most especially).
Euh
>
> I think the issue is less about the impact of Mike's history on his
> role as an observer, which IMHO shouldn't be affected one way or
> another by the spitting incident. However, there's a legitimate
> question about whether that incident, Mike's demeanor online
> (homophobia, etc), and his well documented dealings with the UPA put
> him in a position to lead an organization (even his own), and to make
> that organization's benefits available to Ultimate generally via
> partnerships with existing organizations (the UPA most especially).
So does he have credibility or not in the Ultimate community ?
I dont Think RSD is (still) a factor in Ultimate (unless there are far
more lurkers than contributors) so maybe his
behavior here doesnt really affect peoples opinion.....just asking ?
Smoothie
Yeah, RSD is a small echo chamber, but there are still some
influential people who frequent it. The issue I see it is not the
winning of hearts and minds on RSD, but the risk an organization like
the UPA would have in associating themselves with Mike. Even if they
were disposed to giving the UOA's observers formal involvement with
the series, they'd put themselves in a bad spot with Mike in a
position of leadership, as google easily turns up the dirty laundry.
ulticritic
> On Mar 7, 3:19 pm, ulticritic <ulticri...@live.com> wrote:
>
> > which is what? a person who advocates the use of refs in sports? are
> > you really THAT repulsed BY PEOPLE THAT SHARE THAT SAME MINDSET? you
> > must secretly loath a shit load of people.
>
> It's got nothing to do with your mindset on refs.
but thats what this whole fued is about, isnt it?
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Or Mike's on
> observers. That you continue not to understand that despite plenty of
> explanations, is sadly telling.
telling what?
are you saying that you have nothing against refs and would be fine
with them in ultimate if not for me and my obnoxious behavior? that
would be queer
ulticritic
> which is what? a person who advocates the use of refs in
> sports? are
> you really THAT repulsed BY PEOPLE THAT SHARE THAT SAME
> MINDSET? you
> must secretly loath a shit load of people.
> No I firmly believe all other sports that have refs need
> refs, because they are full of folks such as yourself,
> spiritless, with borderline intergrity and honor, bad
> manners, lacking courtesy, just bullies, who can't control
> themselves without some authority ready to lay down the law
> when your self control fails you yet
> again.
wow! then i guess its NOT a secret............but you do understand
that that includes about
99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999%
of all living people.
so i'm thinking you might need to "see" someone about these deep
seeded issues.
i do have a question though.......what will you be doing whlie all us
spiritless, with borderline integrity and honor, with bad manners,
lackin courtesy, bullies who cant control themselves without som kind
of authority (WAIT, WHAT WAS THAT YOU SAID ABOUT HOW YOU NEED SOMEONE
TO CONTOL YOU FROM GOING OFFSIDES......possible the EASIEST rule to
follow and understand?) when we are enjoying the REFEREE CONTROLED
ncaas' MARCH MADNESS?????
I FEEL SORRY FOR YOU THAT YOU HAVE TO MISS OUT ON SO MANY GREAT REFFED
SPORTING EVENTS JUST BECAUSE OF YOUR FOOLISH PRIDE.
ulticritic
obviously NOT......cause haven ya heard.........THE
OUA.......WINNING!!!!!......DUH!
ulticritic
was that supposed to be an attempt at humor?
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>
> Link to this pic please, I' d like to see it.
ask that idiot from tiu.com.......peter dickhead, otherwise known as
lance. i suppose he has all this old ifa mags in his library. i'm
sure he'll vouch for me.
ulticritic
wonder? whats to wonder about? havent ya heard about all the success
that he and his events have been having since they arrived on the
scene?
ulticritic
>
> So does he have credibility or not in the Ultimate community ?
TONS......and his new uoa version of ultimate is testing through the
roof? where the fuck have you been, under a rock?
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>
> I dont Think RSD is (still) a factor in Ultimate (unless there are far
> more lurkers than contributors) so maybe his
> behavior here doesnt really affect peoples opinion.....just asking ?
or maybe no one gives the fuck about a bunch of pussy and whiney sz's
crying about someone using the word fag........other thana handful of
fags on rsd
Reggie Fanelli
--who are you asking?
i've been involved with an infamous spitting incident.
i was suspended for a year for it too.....seems a bit long....but
really that's just sect and regionals in the club div.
Reggie Fanelli
> question.http://www.ultimatehandbook.com/Webpages/Media/mediawall.html
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
---a lot of people could go ahead and die and go to heaven after
making the front page of the Wall Street Journal, huh?
Reggie Fanelli
---i like to consider my early years of observing ultimate as my
effort to 'give back to the community that gave me such a great
college experience'
i don't know if i redeemed myself...but the organization that banned
me....let me officiate 3 College National Championship games out of 4
years shortly after my suspension.
.....and they also allowed me to serve them as a Sectional
Coordinator....and gave me honorable mention SC of the year....when i
should have won it!
yep.
Reggie Fanelli
> need to be constantly warned exactly "what" they're dealing
> with
---i'm pretty sure folks know what they're dealing with when they are
fortunate enough to work with me.
i'm pretty blunt and straight forward.......never hid a thing!
Reggie Fanelli
> TEAMS of all times.......maybe even THE biggest.......windy city
--bzzt.
WRONG.....there have only ever been two assholes in the history of
ultimate.
mike g and toad leber.
Reggie Fanelli
> > you really THAT repulsed BY PEOPLE THAT SHARE THAT SAME MINDSET? you
> > must secretly loath a shit load of people.
--elaine benice from sienfeld.....hands on head....two fingers
pointing up.....going blaaahhh blahhh blaahhhh....like the devil
Reggie Fanelli
> refs, because they are full of folks such as yourself,
> spiritless, with borderline intergrity and honor, bad
> manners, lacking courtesy, just bullies, who can't control
> themselves without some authority ready to lay down the law
> when your self control fails you yet
> again...............YOUR PAL....Leaker
---HA HA HA !!!!!
you're a fucking IDIOT!!!!!!
warn everyone!
yell it from the mountaintop!!!
tell them i'm on the way!!!
blllaaahhh blaaahhh bllahhhhh
Reggie Fanelli
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
---is that your name or what you do?
Reggie Fanelli
> acting as an observer for a game ?
> Regardless of how competent he is, I would expect that with a CV like
> his, some people may feel.....uncomfortable?
---what's a CV?
how do people react when they learn that I will be their observer?
they are fired the fuck up because they know that they are about to
have the best observer on the planet working their game.
someone just this week....called it...."a treat"
sooooo....get with that.
i'm a pretty great observer......spitting at someone 15 years ago
doesn't affect that.
rieck55
> On Mar 7, 7:00 pm, rieck55 <riec...@gmail.com[/email]>
First off, I explained that because of the Condors SOTG,
my teammates made sure I wasn't offsides as teammates should
do!
Second, with the Dynamic Duo(Itchy & Scratchy) at the helm
of the UOA SHIP, I'd put pretty long odds on that....Leaker
Reggie Fanelli
> role as an observer, which IMHO shouldn't be affected one way or
> another by the spitting incident. However, there's a legitimate
> question about whether that incident, Mike's demeanor online
> (homophobia, etc), and his well documented dealings with the UPA put
> him in a position to lead an organization (even his own), and to make
> that organization's benefits available to Ultimate generally via
> partnerships with existing organizations (the UPA most especially).
---damn...WHAT?
and...you're homophobic
Reggie Fanelli
---tons.
Reggie Fanelli
---enough to be flown to boulder by the upsa to tell them how their
observers should work.
and enough to have them listen and take everything i offered.
Greg Southfield
> i'm a pretty observer......spitting at someone 15 years
> ago
> doesn't affect that.
Its not the spitting from 15 years ago - its the attitude
behind it that's continued on to this day. You spit on
people all the time on RSD. Except, back then, there was a
glimmer of hope when you said you were embarrassed about
it.
rieck55
introduce myself, on the SOTG thread, I'm surprised that you
don't remember me... as far as what I do,I go Airborne
Horizontal, block and catch most everything. I shut down
handlers to where they finally give up and go deep,... I
TURN AND BURN BABY...I SWOOP & PUMMELL..Leak
ulticritic
>
> First off, I explained that because of the Condors SOTG,
> my teammates made sure I wasn't offsides as teammates should
> do!
couldnt ya understand that rule and uphold it all on your own? its
about the easiest and most black and white rule ther is ya know. what
was that you were sayin about self control again?
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> Second, with the Dynamic Duo(Itchy & Scratchy) at the helm
> of the UOA SHIP, I'd put pretty long odds on that
on what? that you are too stupid to figure out the offsides rule on
your own?
ulticritic
ulticritic
> agerics20 wrote on Mon, 07 March 2011 18:34
>
> > i'm a pretty observer......spitting at someone 15 years
> > ago
> > doesn't affect that.
>
> Its not the spitting from 15 years ago - its the attitude
> behind it that's continued on to this day. You spit on
> people all the time on RSD. Except, back then, there was a
> glimmer of hope when you said you were embarrassed about
> it.
oh well, some people just need spittin on.........you being one of em
Euh
*Bias alert*
I would like to hear it from the "influential people" still
contributing or lurking at RSD
Euh
> how do people react when they learn that I will be their observer?
> they are fired the fuck up because they know that they are about to
> have the best observer on the planet working their game.
> someone just this week....called it...."a treat"
>
Anyone to confirm this claim ?
> sooooo....get with that.
>
> i'm a pretty great observer......spitting at someone 15 years ago
> doesn't affect that.
Seems incompatible to me. I dont think your judgement and character
could have changed that much,
And RSD tends to back this up.
Dmill
i went twice last year and as captain of my college team
we are pretty excited to head down there again this weekend.
as a developing team, i think its important for our young
guys (a lot of first years) to understand both sides of the
ultimate scene.
albeit young, (i was five at the time of the original
incident mentioned)i think observers are the way to go if
ultimate wants to move into the limelight of respected
sports. i like the concept of SOTG, and really wish the game
would work as such but a small private school in central
carolina is going to have a tough time enforcing sotg
against yearly national contenders in the area, who can be
pretty big pricks at times. whenever we've had observers it
kept our hot heads cool (we have a few) as well as kept our
young guys from being taken advantage of by veteran players
fouling on the mark etc.
personally i wish officials werent necessary, i love playing
pick-up at home with my high school team where the
definition of foul is the same to everyone. but at this
level it might be necessary to keep the game under control,
althought its a shame it has to be that way
ic, i can see how mike rubs people the wrong way on rsd
(there is wayy too much bullshit going back and forth
between everyone on here-this thread for example seemed like
a blatent attack, maybe well deserved but the whole ordeal
seems like old news). as a "lurker" who has worked with
mike personally, he seems professional enough and does a
good job with his organization outside of rsd
rieck55
> .....Leaker
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ---is that your name or what you do?
After giving me so much crap for displaying the manners to
introduce myself, on the SOTG thread, I'm surprised that you
don't remember me... as far as what I do,I go Airborne
Horizontal, block and catch most everything. I shut down
handlers to where they finally give up and go deep,... I
TURN AND BURN BABY...I SWOOP & PUMMELL..Leak
ulticriticRocks
> On 7 mar, 21:37, Reggie Fanelli
> > > So does he have credibility or not in the
> > > Ultimate community ?
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> > ---tons.
>
> *Bias alert*
>
> I would like to hear it from the "influential people"
> still
> contributing or lurking at RSD
Bias? People don't have bias. If people were biased then
SOTG wouldn't work.
ulticriticRocks
Wow, you really like talking about how awesome you are.
rieck55
enemies to make thousands of friends...Leaker
rieck55
Mike is the one who asked what I do, I merely answered his
question as honestly as I could. Sorry I'm not a boot licker
like you Rockhead.....Your Pal Leaker
Euh
On topic please. So far only one person(Dmill) has given an unbiased
opinion on you know who
Joe Seidler
> did you do it or not ?
Reggie Fanelli
>
> I don't believe SOTG includes "forgive and forget." But it
> does state you should play by the rules.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
if greg southerner were charismatic, logical person who
placed the growth of the sport above his egos. If he
presented their ideas in a reasonable manner, instead of
just belittling everyone on RSD that didn't agree with his
point of view.
he might actually be able to make a significant impact on
the sport.
Reggie Fanelli
> No I firmly believe all other sports that have refs need
> refs, because they are full of folks such as yourself,
> spiritless, with borderline intergrity and honor, bad
> manners, lacking courtesy, just bullies, who can't control
> themselves without some authority ready to lay down the law
> when your self control fails you yet
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
if Leaker were charismatic, logical peorson who
placed the growth of the sport above his ego. If he
presented his ideas in a reasonable manner, instead of
Reggie Fanelli
> of the UOA SHIP, I'd put pretty long odds on that....Leaker
---hey, pee pee pants leaker.........one of the two leaders of the UOA
hasn't posted to rsd for months and months....because of all the
dipshits like you who act like you know everything.....
i'm the other leader of the UOA.
so you got things wrong.
you're showing that you know little about which you speak.
you're sadly misinformed....yet elevate yourself with your dumbass
itchy and scratchy analogy....
you're simply off base.
Reggie Fanelli
> contributing or lurking at RSD
---there's not a single more 'influential' person here than me.
these other guys ain't nothin' but gnats on a dog's dick.
Reggie Fanelli
> > they are fired the fuck up because they know that they are about to
> > have the best observer on the planet working their game.
> > someone just this week....called it...."a treat"
>
> Anyone to confirm this claim ?
---if I claimed it...then it would be a 'claim'.
as it were...i REPORTED it...not claimed it.
who can confirm this....?
YOU CAN!
do some research!
you act like i'm here lying and covering up and hiding.
that ain't the case at all.
Reggie Fanelli
> could have changed that much,
> And RSD tends to back this up.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
---my character and judgement hasn't changed at all.
maybe YOU and yours simply don't have the right idea of what my
character and judgements are.
i mean...is that possible?
i am pretty sure it is.
Reggie Fanelli
> introduce myself, on the SOTG thread, I'm surprised that you
> don't remember me... as far as what I do,I go Airborne
> Horizontal, block and catch most everything. I shut down
> handlers to where they finally give up and go deep,... I
> TURN AND BURN BABY...I SWOOP & PUMMELL..Leak
---hey...pee pee pants leaker is a RERUN TOO!
Reggie Fanelli
> > to introduce myself, on the SOTG thread, I'm surprised
> > that you don't remember me... as far as what I do,I go
> > Airborne Horizontal, block and catch most everything. I
> > shut down handlers to where they finally give up and go
> > deep,... I TURN AND BURN BABY...I SWOOP & PUMMELL..Leak
---yeah...WHY did you "introduce" yourself before like that?
yeah, i'm leaker two time champ and can layout and jump high. i'm
very great.
isn't this how people introduce themselves for no reason?
Reggie Fanelli
> The cool thing about this thread is I only have to make 3
> enemies to make thousands of friends...Leaker
---they're probably all dipshit dorks like you.
freaks of a feather flock together....
maybe you guys could go somewhere and leave those of us who are doing
something to advance the sport alone here to work.
Reggie Fanelli
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
--that's because there are FEW normal people here....and a bunch of
dipshit dumbassed dork haters.
if you stick around and open your mind and eyes....you'll see that.
or...just jump on their train and ride.
either way...enjoy
ulticritic
how does bulf, mvoung and pizza dick = thousands
Euh
> > On topic please. So far only one person(Dmill) has given an unbiased
> > opinion on you know who-
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> --that's because there are FEW normal people here....and a bunch of
> dipshit dumbassed dork haters.
I'm afraid to ask who you consider normal!
pizzapinochle
> enforcing sotg against yearly national contenders in the
> area, who can be pretty big pricks at times. whenever
> we've had observers it kept our hot heads cool (we have a
> few) as well as kept our young guys from being taken
> advantage of by veteran players fouling on the mark etc.
Hmmmm...who taught the national contenders in Carolina to
play that way?
ulticritic
>
> Hmmmm...who taught the national contenders in Carolina to
> play that way?
NYNY
Joe Seidler
Moving to the USAU Forum is the best way to have a good conversation:
http://boards.usaultimate.org/showthread.php?708-quot-Infamous-spitting-incident-quot-Thread-from-RSD&p=2358#post2358
ulticritic
if by good you mean almost non existant, i concur.........how many
posts did the usau thread about sotg have.....4? no THATS some great
conversating
Reggie Fanelli
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
--then go on.
didn't you 'leave' rsd a long long long time ago?
go on and have your 'good' conversation over there and stay out of
these 'bad' conversations.
go.
ulticritic
i notice there hasent been response ONE to this thread post as of
yet.......and my guess is that it will continue to get goose
egged........which says alot about joe s, usau AND their crappy
message board
thefan
at least 3 national championship games. has been invited to
speak at USAU conferences about observing. if you sift
through RSD you will find countless posts from players and
coaches who have taken their teams to UOA events and have
nothing but rave reviews.
if that seems incompatible to you . . . well, then you just
need to get with it.
yep, get with it or get on out.
thefan
come on and start questioning peoples credibility?
is he someone who has won, and led and hosted and innovated
and taught?
or not?
Reggie Fanelli
> come on and start questioning peoples credibility?
>
> is he someone who has won, and led and hosted and innovated
> and taught?
>
> or not?
---yeah...i've been thinking about that too....
Euh
> at least 3 national championship games. has been invited to
> speak at USAU conferences about observing. if you sift
> through RSD you will find countless posts from players and
> coaches who have taken their teams to UOA events and have
> nothing but rave reviews.
>
> if that seems incompatible to you . . . well, then you just
> need to get with it.
Where are those "countless" persons now and do/did they know about his
controversial behavior ?
Euh
> come on and start questioning peoples credibility?
>
> is he someone who has won, and led and hosted and innovated
> and taught?
>
> or not?
not
ulticritic
STILL NO REPLIES TO JOES POST........how lonely and small he must feel
enjoitheworld416
his past if you want, but it seems like he's doing a pretty
damn good job with the uoa. Everyone on here has done
something in their past they are not proud of at some point
and if this happened 15 years ago or whatever then people
should stop bringing it up. Besides what have all of you
done to help the game of ultimate except slander someone who
is trying to do his part in helping it. Also props on the
webcast this weekend Mike, can't wait to watch it.
Greg Southfield
attitude continues to this day - so has anything really
changed?
rieck55
> While items from his past are brought up, his outlandish
> attitude continues to this day - so has anything really
> changed?
......WORD.....
enjoitheworld416
repetitive as ulticritic. As someone who has had arguments
with gerics in the past I have found him to be reasonable. I
got on his case big time about all of the homophobic remarks
and what not and he apologized and I moved on. You guys just
can't seem to drop it. People make mistakes, it happens, and
for you two to be so self righteous is just annoying. I
understand arguing with ulticritic, because quite frankly he
annoys the shit out of me too but Gerics is doing something
positive. Why don't you go out and try and help the sport
somehow instead of pointing the finger at someone for
something they did fifteen years ago.
rieck55
me at every turn, I won't back down! Never have,
never will! People aren't entitled to my spirit, once I see
bad spirit directed at myself or any undeserving
person around me, I will jump their sh#%#t every time,
without fail! I applaud your success with Mr Geric on that
particular issue, congratulations! I see them as one entity,
joined at the hip, & until he severs himself from
Mr. Leber, thats how it will stay! Until that time he is
responsible for every utterance of Mr Leber that he does not
immediately discredit. They/he originated this whole
situation, attacking me when on my first post
ever, I had the manners to introduce my self, give a bit of
my background and and show support of a great paper
written by dbarkan about SOTG.................SPREAD THE
JAM...........Leaker
Reggie Fanelli
---thanks.
Jason Weddle is in charge of the video....he deserves the props.
regarding 15 years ago......these guys with there killer research
could ALSO find some positive things written about me....hosting
camps, running tournaments, officiating big games, and more......but
they wouldn't be haters and discreditors and general douche bag fuck
wads if they reported that stuff.
Reggie Fanelli
> attitude continues to this day - so has anything really
> changed?
---which of my outlandish behaviors are you witness to?
Reggie Fanelli
> somehow instead of pointing the finger at someone for
> something they did fifteen years ago.
--that's their negative negative negative lives......
Reggie Fanelli
---wow....you can catch a layout d and win a tournament....
and you have a spirit radar detector...
and you're a moron....
"mike is responsible for other peoples' posting'
leakie pants....you are undoubtedly a fucking dipshit moron.
a complete piece of useless work.
I INTRODUCE MYSELF AND BRAG ABOUT MY TEAM WINNING A TOURNAMENT AND
CATCH MY LAY OUT DS
ROOOOAAARRR
SPREAD THE LEAKIE MESS....
you're a complete and utter total dipshit idiot.
nice work.
ulticritic
> While items from his past are brought up, his outlandish
> attitude continues to this day - so has anything really
> changed?
just that you, COLON, are now this gregs fag
> --
> Posted fromhttp://www.rsdnospam.com
ulticritic
wrote:
well, he did get a position on the usau bod........you would think
he'd spend more time trying to improve HIS org rather than tear down
mikes
> --
> Posted fromhttp://www.rsdnospam.com
ulticritic
> Sorry world, but no can do, while they are still attacking
> me at every turn, I won't back down!
yes you will, its just a matter of time......YOU are just a gun ho
rookie and you are dealing with season vets. you have no clue what
you are up against........aside from the fact that you are about a
week in and ALREADY your own people are sick as shit of you.
-------------------------------------------
Never have,
> never will!
eh, time will tell
----------------------------------------
People aren't entitled to my spirit, once I see
> bad spirit directed at myself or any undeserving
> person around me, I will jump their sh#%#t every time,
> without fail!
great, we live for that shit......so bring it on.
-------------------------------------
I applaud your success with Mr Geric on that
> particular issue, congratulations! I see them as one entity,
maybe thatsa your problem.......you have no clue as to who we are
-------------------------------------------
> joined at the hip, & until he severs himself from
> Mr. Leber, thats how it will stay! Until that time he is
> responsible for every utterance of Mr Leber that he does not
> immediately discredit.
what part of this being a free world dont you get. mike knows he cant
control me and nor can i control him.
------------------------------------------------------------
They/he originated this whole
> situation, attacking me when on my first post
> ever,
thats what we do to all cock sucking dweebs that come here talking
shit.
----------------------------------------------------
> I had the manners to introduce my self,
and flourshed accomplishments from 3 decades ago like a common ass
bitch
------------------------------------------------------
give a bit of
> my background and and show support of a great paper
> written by dbarkan about SOTG.
but it wasnt great......it wasnt even good......it was just a long
drawn out pile of nothingness
ulticritic
AND parinoia of the demise of their precious sotg
ulticritic
yet still NUTHIN.......ya know, theres a very small part of me that
actually feels sorry for this joe kook (NOT) like a kid rushing down
to open presents on christmas day just to find out that he got
absolutely NUTHIN.
Reggie Fanelli
>
> yet still NUTHIN.......ya know, theres a very small part of me that
> actually feels sorry for this joe kook (NOT) like a kid rushing down
> to open presents on christmas day just to find out that he got
> absolutely NUTHIN.
---hey guys, i got a new ball....wanna come and play with it?
no?
durn....
ulticritic
day 3 and still NO replies
Reggie Fanelli
> did you do it or not ?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
--i did.....why are you asking?
3Jane.
> Nope, no forgive or forget for irritants like you two. Folks
> need to be constantly warned exactly "what" they're dealing
> with
Yep, instumental in bringing serious douchebaggery to Ultimate they
were.