Club Restructure

[Bob]

http://www.usaultimate.org/news/changes-to-the-2012-club-ser
ies-structure/
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[hbrumby]

What will be the best (likely) 2012 Regional final matchup?
* SC: DW vs Bravo
* SE: Chain vs Ring
* MA: Truck vs Southpaw/Oakland
* NE: Ironside vs GOaT/PoNY
* GL: Machine vs Madcow
* NC: Subzero vs Madison
* NW: Two of Sockeye/Furious/Rhino
* SW: Can we just hand Revolver a Natties bid now, and let
Condors/Streetgang/Sprawl fight for the second bid if they
earn one?

[ultimate7]

I can't see the SW earning a 2nd bid unless a 2nd team from the Bay
area forms

[homrbush]

Obviously we don't know the ranking algorithm that will be
used, but using RRI from last season, here's how things
would play out with the new regions:

2011 RRI Top 16 (* did not qualify for Sarasota):
1) Revolver (Southwest)
2) Ironside (Northeast)
3) Sockeye (Northwest)*
4) Doublewide (South Central)
5) Chain Lightning (Southeast)
6) Furious George (Northwest)
7) Ring of Fire (Southeast)
8) Johnny Bravo (South Central)
9) Truck Stop (Mid-Atlantic)
10) Machine (Great Lakes)
11) GOAT (Northeast)
12) Rhino (Northwest)*
13) PoNY (Northeast)*
14) Madison Club (North Central)
15) Southpaw (Mid-Atlantic)
16) Sub Zero (North Central)

Bids:
Northwest: 3
Northeast: 3
South Central: 2
North Central: 2
Mid-Atlantic: 2
Southeast: 2
Southwest: 1
Great Lakes: 1

First 4 Out (* did not qualify for Sarasota):
17) Voodoo (Northwest)*
18) Streetgang (Southwest)*
19) Madcow (Great Lakes)*
20) Oakland (Mid-Atlantic)

NOTE: I excluded the 1 and done teams such as the
international teams that came over for ECC/Labor Day and
pickup tournaments such as Poultry Days.

What I find interesting is how close Voodoo, of all teams,
is to the top 16. Are they actually that good? Are they a
produce of their schedule? Are they benefiting from RRI
carrying over from year to year?

Was also surprised to see how close Southwest #2 was to the
top 16. I don't think a lot of people would have thought
that to be the case.

[ultimate7]

The biggest issue is how this will affect future participation. If
Revolver ends up in a 1 bid Region, how many other teams are even
going to bother playing in the series. Hopefully the 2nd tier series
that forms will solve this, but I'm not sure that there are enough
Women's teams playing for a 2nd Tier of competition.

[Jake]

I think you are confusing two topics; regional and national
bid allocation.

[Tim Kefalas]

It's the same as College. If your team has enough good
sanctioned results you'll get a second or third bid to
natties for your region.

Not sure what all this "out in the cold" talk is about. Play
well during the season, get another bid. If
steetgang/condors/sprawl go out and win games than that
region will have a second bid to natties. If they don't they
won't get one and don't deserve one.

[mgd.mitch]

I don't know this off the top of my head, and I can't access
last years' teams pages on the score reporter, but what is
the average number of "regular season games" played by teams
that went to nationals? The college season is on its way to
getting established, with hundreds of teams playing 10-30
games. How many of the top tier teams are going to play a
dozen or two regular season games? Also, with the less than
rigid rosters that occur in club versus the strict rosters
for college, how well can they rank the season results.
Those are some of the important questions IMO. 16 v 20
isn't nearly as important as how good of a regular season
will he wave this coming year. I think we can get there
(and need to), it's just a question of how long will it
take.

[Ryan Thompson]

Scenario:

Revolver plays LiveLogic Shootout (unsanctioned, too early for regular
season, but starting early to prepare for Worlds)
Revolver plays Cal States (unsanctioned, tryout tournament for most
teams, Worlds prep for Revolver).
Revolver plays Worlds (unsanctioned)
Revolver skips ECC to rest up after Worlds.
Revolver plays Labor Day (sanctioned, gets 7 games)

Meanwhile, Streetgang/Boost Mobile/Condors went to Colorado Cup and
ECC and placed well enough to end up in the top 12 of regular season
rankings.

However, SW ends up as a 1-bid region because Revolver doesn't have 10
sanctioned games.

End result: Revolver beats Streetgang 15-7 in Regional finals, takes
the only bid to Nationals.

This seems like an unfortunate but plausible scenario.

[mgd.mitch]

Ryan Thompson wrote on Mon, 13 February 2012 18:27

While plausible, I would say the more likely scenario is
Revolver finds 1 tournament to play in, even maybe creating
a small local one to get to the minimum games required to
secure a second bid to nationals for the region, eliminating
the unlikely scenario of losing in the regional finals in
some freak outcome.

[homrbush]

Ryan Thompson wrote on Mon, 13 February 2012 18:27

If I understand how the bid allocation will work, this will
not be possible. Since each region receives 1 bid at a
minimum, it would be the ranking of the 2nd (and 3rd, 4th,
5th etc) place team that determine the strength bids.

Even under this scenario, if Streetgang finishes 12th (and
are the highest finishing SW team), they still only count as
the first bid for the SW. If Revolver doesn't play enough
sanctioned games, then wouldn't they just all be fighting
for their automatic bid?

[Ryan Thompson]

Yes. That is what I am saying.

[colinmcintyre]

Ryan Thompson wrote on Mon, 13 February 2012 18:27
> Scenario:

> ...

> Revolver plays Worlds (unsanctioned)
> Revolver skips ECC to rest up after Worlds.
> Revolver plays Labor Day (sanctioned, gets 7 games)

> ...

> This seems like an unfortunate but plausible scenario.

Isn't ECC a full month after Worlds? The Worlds teams didn't
skip ECC in 2010 after WUCC in Prague.