ATLANTIS Recap from its TD
moecoast
that participated in Atlantis 2006.
There were many problems with the tournament. Most Saturday issues
consisted of cap issues and also not reseeding before cross over games.
There was also a major problem with the field locations being two off
for the entire b bracket.
Sunday problems mostly consisted of again cap issues, and choice to
bracket style.
The brackets were chosen to attempt to give teams more equal matches.
Many of the upper seeds complained that this didn't make sense for
even having pool play, taking that advantage away of being a top seed.
I realize this and will never again run a tournament with this style
brackets.
The cap issues and the pools being miss labeled are just me being too
strung out on percocet and oxycontin from my surgery two days before
the tournament. As for the party, it was scheduled at a bar up town.
The bar canceled on us Thursday mourning before the tournament and
there was simply not enough time to schedule another place.
I want every team to know that I did the best job that I could have
possibly done. I am sorry for what happened. I am sure each team has
their own complaints. Seeing that these problems are the complete
fault of its tournament director, I ask that all teams look poorly upon
myself and not upon the tournament, OR SALISBURY AS A TEAM. Atlantis
will continue, with a new tournament director. Next year the old mall
fields will be covered with houses so we wont have to worry about
shitty fields. The size of the men's bracket will shrink and the
girls will stay the same. Next years tournament director(s) will have
an easier time and more support from the community and team. Next
years tournament should have Atlantis back as a quality place to come
and have fun.
There have been a few teams that have expressed several great ideas,
specifically CMU, U Dell, Salisbury women, Rutgers, and Swat., and all
will be considered for next year.
There are a few people that need to be thanked for saving my ass this
weekend. Miyagi, Julius, Ashley, and Jess made the tournament possible
to even function. These people should get any of the positive credit
that there is to give.
Origi...@gmail.com
albanyu...@gmail.com
the blame on someonelse.
I give you a lot of respect for doing that
Good luck in the future with your shoulder, it looked bad on saturday
night
~Squirrel
Mike Gerics
tournament.
UNCW played their scheduled pool games...then played the sweet 16,
quarters(where they lost) and should have had two consolation games, but the
fourth team from our consolation semis-bracket bailed.
my only complaints.....where the hell did that other team go?
they were supposed to play the ecu irates while the uncw seamen played
cornell, then the winners and losers were to play for 5-8.
sucks when some jive assed chumps screw the brackets like that....no
consideration...no self respect.....lost the respect of their opponents.
and....doesn't spirit have something to do with respect......?
another complaint...
tell me this....is there a single(mens) team in the country that has a drill
that they do at practice that is something like this....catch a pull,
immediately pull it back to your opponent, run down field and play D?
anyone?
is that a drill that anyone works on?
i can't picture it.......
so......play with some fucking self respect.....play the way that your team
wants to play...ALL the time....
Kick and Run ultimate.....is about as shitty as a big ole piece of crap.
If your team practices passing the disc to one another....try it during
competition.
Field position ultimate....ain't even good for womens ultimate....so...if
you're on a mens college team....please try to rise above it, because it's
the pits.
Regular season tournaments are really nothing but practice
opportunities....use them as such...and try to play the way that you want to
play.
If your team wants to play kick and run.....quit......stop playing...fold
your team.
Teams that play exclusively kick and run for field position on a windy
day....have no self respect...and only lose the respect of their
opponents....whether ya win, or lose.
battle.
thanks for having us up to the Eastern Shore Salisbury Buzz!
Mike Gerics
Assistant to the UNCW Seamen Coach Andrew Zeldin.
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albanyu...@gmail.com
Our last two games would have had us leaving at 5pm for our 7 hour
drive back. Getting in at 2am this weekend wasn't an option for us.
Normally we are state school kids who go without doing our work for a
weekend but it wasn't an option this time. Had to actually be a college
student for once. Sorry that makes my team a bunch of bitches in your
eyes.
We called and told the two people who were taking scores we weren't
going to play our last games. I told them myself when I called in our
GW scores. No one knew who the team we were supposed to play was, so we
had no way of getting ahold of them.
During the GW game we had 8 out of the 12 people we brought who were
able to get onto the field. By the end we had a couple more get beat up
which left us in rough shape. I'm one of the captains, I made the call
to not put a bunch of beat up, hurt team mates through another game
where all they would do is make themselves less likely to play in
further tournaments this spring.
You should know who the people you are talking about are, since your
team put us in the score reporter as a forfeit, and rightfully so since
we didn't play that game. So just go ahead and next time say, "I feel
Albany is a bunch of jived ass chumps".'
I don't think a single team we played this weekend can say we had
terrible spirit. We even picked up 3 more teams to play in our spring
tournament cause they had so much fun playing us despite the crappy
weather on Saturday.
Have some consideration and respect and find out what happened before
you go off on another team. If you still think we are jived ass chumps
that's fine, but you should have asked what happened before you went
off on some rant.
I've got a lot of respect for every team we play, I think anyone who
knows me will back me up on that. I'm sorry your team got screwed out
of your last game, and I'm pissed at myself that my team wasn't able to
play more games this weekend. We could use the competition.
~Squirrel
SUNY Albany
jt
albanyu...@gmail.com wrote:
> Jive ass chumps? I guess that's us
>
> Our last two games would have had us leaving at 5pm for our 7 hour
> drive back. Getting in at 2am this weekend wasn't an option for us.
> Normally we are state school kids who go without doing our work for a
> weekend but it wasn't an option this time. Had to actually be a college
> student for once. Sorry that makes my team a bunch of bitches in your
> eyes.
Gotta learn time management in college. Ya know, actually study and do
your assignments AHEAD of time so that you don't have to do anything
over the weekend. There is always Saturday night as well to do some
work. Is 2am late for college students? Shit, I am just catchin my
buzz by then and I work 60+ a week right now.
Ok, q the violin....
> We called and told the two people who were taking scores we weren't
> going to play our last games. I told them myself when I called in our
> GW scores. No one knew who the team we were supposed to play was, so we
> had no way of getting ahold of them.
>
> During the GW game we had 8 out of the 12 people we brought who were
> able to get onto the field. By the end we had a couple more get beat up
> which left us in rough shape. I'm one of the captains, I made the call
> to not put a bunch of beat up, hurt team mates through another game
> where all they would do is make themselves less likely to play in
> further tournaments this spring.
irrelevant stuff deleted.
> I've got a lot of respect for every team we play, I think anyone who
> knows me will back me up on that. I'm sorry your team got screwed out
> of your last game, and I'm pissed at myself that my team wasn't able to
> play more games this weekend. We could use the competition.
>
> ~Squirrel
> SUNY Albany
Then buck and play your games.
jt
Mike Gerics wrote:
> another complaint...
> tell me this....is there a single(mens) team in the country that has a drill
> that they do at practice that is something like this....catch a pull,
> immediately pull it back to your opponent, run down field and play D?
> anyone?
> is that a drill that anyone works on?
> i can't picture it.......
> so......play with some fucking self respect.....play the way that your team
> wants to play...ALL the time....
> Kick and Run ultimate.....is about as shitty as a big ole piece of crap.
> If your team practices passing the disc to one another....try it during
> competition.
> Field position ultimate....ain't even good for womens ultimate....so...if
> you're on a mens college team....please try to rise above it, because it's
> the pits.
>
> Regular season tournaments are really nothing but practice
> opportunities....use them as such...and try to play the way that you want to
> play.
> If your team wants to play kick and run.....quit......stop playing...fold
> your team.
>
> Teams that play exclusively kick and run for field position on a windy
> day....have no self respect...and only lose the respect of their
> opponents....whether ya win, or lose.
I agree with you about the punt and d strategy for "regular" season
tournaments. Do away with it. It blows. Practice actual stuff and if
you lose then, big deal.
Now in the series when it is win or go home, the punt/d strategy is a
useful tool. I hated it but realized my teams probably should have
done it too but we were too stubborn to sink to that tactic at the big
show. Just don't do it when there really is nothing on the line.
jt
D. Smith
albanyu...@gmail.com wrote:
> Jive ass chumps? I guess that's us
>
> Our last two games would have had us leaving at 5pm for our 7 hour
> drive back. Getting in at 2am this weekend wasn't an option for us.
> Normally we are state school kids who go without doing our work for a
> weekend but it wasn't an option this time. Had to actually be a college
> student for once. Sorry that makes my team a bunch of bitches in your
> eyes.
>Have some consideration and respect and find out what happened before
>you go off on another team. If you still think we are jived ass chumps
>that's fine, but you should have asked what happened before you went
>off on some rant.
Who's the one who needs consideration and respect? Apparently you knew
ahead of time that your team was going to bail after the quarters
(schoolwork doesn't just call at 5pm on Sunday and announce itself),
but you didn't tell anyone? Personally, I would have looked at the
schedule, checked out who our possible opponents were going to be and
told them ahead of time. Would you have left if you had won that game
in the quarters against GW? If the answer is anything but yes, then
you're pretty lame for offering that halfassed "long drive" excuse.
Cornell and Williams managed to stay for the remainder of their games
and they've got just as far to drive. Teams from Wisconsin, Michigan,
Iowa, Oklahoma, etc drive 12, 15 or even 20 hours to go to tournaments.
Shit, I've arrived back to school at 8am and gone straight to class
still wearing my dirty ass jersey from the day before.
Think about it from your opponents perspective. They planned ahead,
got all their assignments done, studied for their exams and were stoked
to play another game or two of ultimate on Sunday afternoon. They're
wandering around looking for who the hell they're supposed to play,
only to find out their opponents bailed an hour ago. Oh well, sucks
for them. At least you got some more teams for your tournament.
PeterD...@gmail.com
my college ultimate at a small or bad ultimate school and now a grad
student at albany i really hope this is not the spirit of "big time"
college ultimate. Everyone bags a game or day at tournies some times.
Ive capt. a team and had to call out of a whole day of sectionals,
somtimes you dont have the chance for enough advanced warning. But i
think the lecturing on time mangtmt is just BS junk. If this is the
attitude and spirit of competitive ultimate I am not looking forward to
getting bitched at by a 18 yr old freshman with little knowledge of the
10th edition.
Origi...@gmail.com
rules.
Phil Lowe
>Personally, I would have looked at the schedule, checked out who our possible opponents were going to be and told them ahead of time.
>
Dude, the way the tournament was run, fucking rocket scientists couldn't
have figured out who their possible next round opponents would be. You
could've figured it out by the semis, when there were only 4 teams left...
Daag Alemayehu
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> college ultimate. Everyone bags a game or day at tournies some times.
Dude, speak for your fucking self. Not true at all.
Mike Gerics
---you said it.
if'n ya'll were in that 5-8 bracket...yes.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Our last two games would have had us leaving at 5pm for our 7 hour
> drive back. Getting in at 2am this weekend wasn't an option for us.
> Normally we are state school kids who go without doing our work for a
> weekend but it wasn't an option this time. Had to actually be a college
> student for once. Sorry that makes my team a bunch of bitches in your
> eyes.
---actually....your weak excuses are the nails that build the house of
failure......
and THAT is what, in this here situation, is making ya'll out to be a bunch
of, as you say, "bitches"........and now that you have pointed it out here
on rsd.....the whole world knows it.
do ya'll have 'real' sports at your school?
ask those 'real' athletes about their travel AND need to be at class and to
do their work.
~~~~~~~~~~~
> We called and told the two people who were taking scores we weren't
> going to play our last games. I told them myself when I called in our
> GW scores. No one knew who the team we were supposed to play was, so we
> had no way of getting ahold of them.
---go to the field site.....and play them.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> During the GW game we had 8 out of the 12 people we brought who were
> able to get onto the field. By the end we had a couple more get beat up
> which left us in rough shape. I'm one of the captains, I made the call
> to not put a bunch of beat up, hurt team mates through another game
> where all they would do is make themselves less likely to play in
> further tournaments this spring.
>
> You should know who the people you are talking about are, since your
> team put us in the score reporter as a forfeit, and rightfully so since
> we didn't play that game. So just go ahead and next time say, "I feel
> Albany is a bunch of jived ass chumps".'
>
> I don't think a single team we played this weekend can say we had
> terrible spirit. We even picked up 3 more teams to play in our spring
> tournament cause they had so much fun playing us despite the crappy
> weather on Saturday.
>
> Have some consideration and respect and find out what happened before
> you go off on another team. If you still think we are jived ass chumps
> that's fine, but you should have asked what happened before you went
> off on some rant.
>
> I've got a lot of respect for every team we play, I think anyone who
> knows me will back me up on that. I'm sorry your team got screwed out
> of your last game, and I'm pissed at myself that my team wasn't able to
> play more games this weekend. We could use the competition.
>
> ~Squirrel
> SUNY Albany
>
---couldn't keep ready about how tired your team is......sorry.
ya'll fucked the tournament in the fanny.....nice work
PeterD...@gmail.com
that doesnt wreck a tourny bracket.
Nathan Stock
eric...@gmail.com
your opponents team. as in, having enough self respect to run your
offense while on the other hand, having enough respect for the other
team to not have them ready to play a game and make them wait around
while you drive home.
i dont think it had anything to do with how the tournament "didnt
matter" and i dont think its ironic at all.
jt
Apparently it is for Albany ultimate.
jt
Apparently it is for Albany ultimate.
jt
And with that said, maybe they shouldn't go to tourneys in jersey or
south of said state.
Mike Gerics
only bad small schools...i guess
Mike Gerics
sorry.
"Nathan Stock" <nst...@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote in message
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todd
> tournaments. Do away with it. It blows. Practice actual stuff and if
> you lose then, big deal.
>
> Now in the series when it is win or go home, the punt/d strategy is a
> useful tool. I hated it but realized my teams probably should have
> done it too but we were too stubborn to sink to that tactic at the big
> show. Just don't do it when there really is nothing on the line.
RRI never sleeps. And it makes a difference for seedings at future
tournaments including the college series.
Todd
"jt" <uncw...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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gerics (geriatrics? :) you're 32 and as good as you are at it, team
bitching should be left to the undergrads. free country, but i'm just
saying...give the little ones a chance in being an ass.
that said much of your grief revolves around what you want for your
team.
- a team bailed from your bracket (and that seriously...no
wait...ROYALLY pissed you off....the fucking chutzpah of those spirit
lacking jive chumps)
- said bracket was for 5-8? gerics, you have a reason to get your gun
sir.
> another complaint...
> tell me this....is there a single(mens) team in the country that has a drill
> that they do at practice that is something like this....catch a pull,
> immediately pull it back to your opponent, run down field and play D?
> anyone?
"play with some fucking self respect....."
"Field position ultimate....ain't even good for womens
ultimate....so...if you're on a mens college team....please try to rise
above it, because it's the pits."
" Regular season tournaments are really nothing but practice
opportunities....use them as such...and try to play the way that you
want to play."
" If your team wants to play kick and run.....quit......stop
playing...fold
your team."
"Teams that play exclusively kick and run for field position on a windy
day....have no self respect...and only lose the respect of their
opponents....whether ya win, or lose."
gerics, read carefully.
1) you coach uncw (only uncw)
2) you do not get to call plays for the other team
3) making you pissed seems like a good strategy
4) if ur so pissed, grow a pair and make your comments on the field,
not 2 days past on r.s.d.
in the end, IT SUCKS FOR YOU the tourny did not supply the necessary
practice you so desperately sought for your uncw boys. IT SUCKS FOR
YOU that teams did not play in a manner that meets your approval. IT
SUCKS FOR YOU that undermanned and injured teams pulled out instead of
facing a severe beating under ur uncw boys.
but its good to see an ASSistant coach speak up for an entire team,
right?
Ben
reasonable to assume that teams could use pre-Series tournaments to get
better at their punt-and-D?
Sounds to me like more chances for your team to play O, but without having
to work very hard to get it back if you turn it. Almost like a neverending
field of zone offense...
Glad you're back in the game, coach.
blw
swill...@yahoo.com
> If punt-and-D is an acceptable strategy for the Series, isn't it
> reasonable to assume that teams could use pre-Series tournaments to get
> better at their punt-and-D?
not if you're playing uncw apparently. and on a windy day? come on,
where's the strategy in that??
teams...have a little consideration. in pre-series tourney, please ask
the opposing ASSistant coach what plays are acceptable and which are
not.
> Sounds to me like more chances for your team to play O, but without having
> to work very hard to get it back if you turn it. Almost like a neverending
> field of zone offense...
:)
zone-o all day, and 5-8 bracket?
:)
Phil Lowe
was the old guy humping the air and flipping everyone off while standing
10 yards on the field and shouting during the CMU-UNCW game on Sunday...
>nathan, regretably...you are a fucking moron.
>sorry.
>
>
Also, it makes you look like a dumbass when you misspell shit while
calling someone a moron.
jt
> > I agree with you about the punt and d strategy for "regular" season
> > tournaments. Do away with it. It blows. Practice actual stuff and if
> > you lose then, big deal.
> >
> > Now in the series when it is win or go home, the punt/d strategy is a
> > useful tool. I hated it but realized my teams probably should have
> > done it too but we were too stubborn to sink to that tactic at the big
> > show. Just don't do it when there really is nothing on the line.
>
> RRI never sleeps. And it makes a difference for seedings at future
> tournaments including the college series.
>
> Todd
Does anyone really give a shit about RRI, NUMP, UPA rankings??? They
don't mean a damn thing except to wipe my ass with after reading it.
It might, might have bairing (sp?) on Sectional seeding and maybe some
Regional as well but the series results hold more weight, right?
When I played, in college, all my team cared about was making nationals
and then making at least semis. If we didn't, it was a bad season.
So, I guess it depends on what you and your team's goals are. Do you
just want to win games without getting better? Or do you want to try
to win games while getting better and thus improving your chances in
the series?
jt
Nathan Stock
I too can post pointless one line character attacks on rsd, you dumbass.
See?
jt
Ben wrote:
> If punt-and-D is an acceptable strategy for the Series, isn't it
> reasonable to assume that teams could use pre-Series tournaments to get
> better at their punt-and-D?
For some. Go ahead. I just don't like it. I will just call it weak
but will not get in anyone's face about it.
>
> Sounds to me like more chances for your team to play O, but without having
> to work very hard to get it back if you turn it. Almost like a neverending
> field of zone offense...
And yes, this should be good practice for the offense going upwind. I
will take the disc wherever you want to give it to me after your
turnover. What is going to happen to these kids if they run into a
team that can score upwind? Get beat the way I see it. So why not
practice trying to score downwind so you can get better.
>
> Glad you're back in the game, coach.
> blw
I agree. Mike is too good a teacher not to be using his ultimate
knowledge. A little harsh sometimes but he does know his shit.
todd
> and then making at least semis. If we didn't, it was a bad season.
I suppose you're right - teams that go to nationals every year already get
into any tournament they want to play and they get a good seed when they get
there. So if those are the only teams that Mike G was complaining about,
then there is nothing to discuss.
>Do you
> just want to win games without getting better? Or do you want to try
> to win games while getting better and thus improving your chances in
> the series?
Winning pool play games puts you in the championship bracket on Sunday which
gives you more opportunities to play against competitive teams. If your goal
is to improve your team, aren't you trying to play against as many quality
teams as possible? Don't you want your team to have plenty of experience
playing in meaningful games?
Besides, how do you know it's not going to be extra windy at regionals?
Wouldn't you rather show up with a team that knows how to run whatever
strategy will work best to get you to nationals?
Todd
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jt
todd wrote:
> Winning pool play games puts you in the championship bracket on Sunday which
> gives you more opportunities to play against competitive teams. If your goal
> is to improve your team, aren't you trying to play against as many quality
> teams as possible? Don't you want your team to have plenty of experience
> playing in meaningful games?
Good points.
>
> Besides, how do you know it's not going to be extra windy at regionals?
> Wouldn't you rather show up with a team that knows how to run whatever
> strategy will work best to get you to nationals?
>
> Todd
Irrelevant. Why would anyone want to practice punt d? Unless you are
just trying to practice defense. If that is the case, then punt
everytime. The only punt d practice you really really need is
basically sky practice. Have a thrower trying to hit a guy that can
outjump 3 other defenders which sux as a practice tool but is kind of
fun.
You point noted above does make a lot sense however as that is quality
practice. You have me wavering now on my stance concerning punting.
Nice work.
jt
Mike Gerics
> useful tool. I hated it but realized my teams probably should have
> done it too but we were too stubborn to sink to that tactic at the big
> show. Just don't do it when there really is nothing on the line.
--no, jt uncwalum....your team should never have done it....
a wise man once said..."play the way that you want to play, all the time"
Mike Gerics
> just want to win games without getting better? Or do you want to try
> to win games while getting better and thus improving your chances in
> the series?
---ooo! ooo! ooo! ....get better! constant self and constant team
improvement is the goal!!!!!
Mike Gerics
> is to improve your team, aren't you trying to play against as many quality
> teams as possible? Don't you want your team to have plenty of experience
> playing in meaningful games?
---no game that is played utilizing the kick and run method is
meaningful.....
Mike Gerics
> I think I am going to hop on here and comment.
--ya shouldn't have.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
After playing most of
> my college ultimate at a small or bad ultimate school and now a grad
> student at albany i really hope this is not the spirit of "big time"
> college ultimate.
--huh? expecting to play the schedule at a tournament is showing that
spirit is being lost?....or leaving and not competing is showing that spirit
is being lost?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Everyone bags a game or day at tournies some times.
---everyone that's a fucking dumbass, maybe.
but not everyone is everyone.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Ive capt. a team and had to call out of a whole day of sectionals,
---and you're telling people that?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> somtimes you dont have the chance for enough advanced warning.
---not enough warning to play the last two games of a weekend?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
But i
> think the lecturing on time mangtmt is just BS junk.
---are you doing that?.....or do you think that these folks with the right
things to say are the ones with the junk?
~~~~~~~~~~
If this is the
> attitude and spirit of competitive ultimate I am not looking forward to
> getting bitched at by a 18 yr old freshman with little knowledge of the
> 10th edition.
---ya might need to listen to him.
Mike Gerics
Mike Gerics
> Dude, the way the tournament was run, fucking rocket scientists couldn't
> have figured out who their possible next round opponents would be. You
> could've figured it out by the semis, when there were only 4 teams left...
>
---UNCW figured it out....
Mike Gerics
"TRG" <ToddGr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Let me guess... was it math homework you were rushing home to do?
>
> And did you think posting lame, contradictory excuses on rsd would make
> you look LESS like j-j-j-jive-ass chumps?
>
> albanyu...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Our last two games would have had us leaving at 5pm for our 7 hour
> > drive back. Getting in at 2am this weekend wasn't an option for us.
>
---nice one TRG.......
5pm + 7 hour drive is midnight, right?
Mike Gerics
> wow. like I said. you guys need to relax a bit. didnt albany lose?
> that doesnt wreck a tourny bracket.
>
---yes, it did.
UNCW was playing Cornell, while ECU sat by chillin'.
Cornell beat UNCW and had to then face an untested and rested ECU.....
and UNCW didn't have the ECU vs Albany loser to compete against.
that, is wrecking a bracket.
see?
Mike Gerics
> Does anyone else see the irony of bitching that since a regular season
tourny doesn't matter, punt and play is for pussies, and then calling out a
team for bailing after they had been eliminated from contention? I mean, if
the tourny doesn't matter, then the 5-8 bracket is even less important. And
sour grapes to the teams that happen to miss a bonus game at the end of
Sunday... you were only guaranteed two games anyway and ya got them.
----no.
Mike Gerics
---yes.
Mike Gerics
> Mike, regrettably... the only moron I saw at the tournament this week
> was the old guy humping the air and flipping everyone off while standing
> 10 yards on the field and shouting during the CMU-UNCW game on Sunday...
---it seems like you are trying to talk about me....
but i never flipped anyone off.
nice try tho.
as for being 10 yards on the field.......sure, this is part of
coaching....ya ever watched sports before.
and....since part of this thread is about self respect........nice calls
CMU....that was some frail crap ya'll pulled a couple of times.
Mike Gerics
> Mr. Mike,
> I too can post pointless one line character attacks on rsd, you dumbass.
> See?
---great.....but i will always be right.
and you'll just be some joker trying to hop on my jock.
try taking some lessons, rather than fighting it.
Mike Gerics
> > tournaments. Do away with it. It blows. Practice actual stuff and if
> > you lose then, big deal.
> >
> > Now in the series when it is win or go home, the punt/d strategy is a
> > useful tool. I hated it but realized my teams probably should have
> > done it too but we were too stubborn to sink to that tactic at the big
> > show. Just don't do it when there really is nothing on the line.
>
> RRI never sleeps. And it makes a difference for seedings at future
> tournaments including the college series.
---VTech, are you supporting the kick and run?
try changing your minds......
Mike Gerics
> I suppose you're right - teams that go to nationals every year already get
> into any tournament they want to play and they get a good seed when they
get
> there. So if those are the only teams that Mike G was complaining about,
> then there is nothing to discuss.
---teams that play kick and run, probably don't deserve to get into all the
tournaments that they want to attend...because other TDs are out there
seeing them play that brand of crapimate.
Mike Gerics
> > drive back.
WWWWOOOOOOWWWWWW!!!!!!!
ya'll had to drive home!!!!!!!!!!!??????
you're hating it!
all the other teams there.......were teleported home!
Mike Gerics
> talk about an ASSistant coach...
---nice try on originality....but i already call myself that.......so....you
missed the boat fella.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> gerics (geriatrics? :)
---same there....
been called that since HS gym class.
and....i've used that here on rsd too.
and ya know who i am......
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
you're 32 and as good as you are at it, team
> bitching should be left to the undergrads.
---how do you know my age?
and...how do you know the wrong age?
and...why would ya know anyway?
got a stalker on my hands now...
~~~~~~~~~~~~
free country, but i'm just
> saying...give the little ones a chance in being an ass.
---i don't discriminate......and i have ideas and thoughts...and here on rsd
is where we all share them about ultimate.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> that said much of your grief revolves around what you want for your
> team.
---????a chance to compete their scheduled games????
~~~~~~~~~~~~
> - a team bailed from your bracket (and that seriously...no
> wait...ROYALLY pissed you off....the fucking chutzpah of those spirit
> lacking jive chumps)
--actually.....you got it all wrong.
i'm not at all pissed.
and not pissed off.
not royally.....and not even a tiny teeny bit.
i simply know what ruins a tournament for the teams attending, having
competed in a few along the way, and organized plenty too.
if you knew....you'd shut the fuck up and be like....yo, teams shouldn't
bail.
what pisses me off tho.....are a bunch of dumbasses that try to argue the
obvious and absolute obviousness of the obvious.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> - said bracket was for 5-8? gerics, you have a reason to get your gun
> sir.
---i don't know what that means.....but i know about some fucking respect,
and lack thereof, for my teammates and opponents.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mike Gerics
> reasonable to assume that teams could use pre-Series tournaments to get
> better at their punt-and-D?
>
> Sounds to me like more chances for your team to play O, but without having
> to work very hard to get it back if you turn it. Almost like a neverending
> field of zone offense...
----personally, i'm pretty much about...the betterment of college ultimate
as a whole.
and that is why it strikes me as disgusting when teams fail to utilize what
they practice in exchange for reverting back to bad soccer methods of a team
of poorly coached 8 year olds.
i ain't so worried about my team in this particular
situation..........rather, hoping to make a difference for some other teams
out there that need to be told.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Glad you're back in the game, coach.
> blw
---glad to be back in it.
thanks blwig
Mike Gerics
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > gerics, read carefully.
> >
> > 1) you coach uncw (only uncw)
---oh...you're wrong already.
i coach a ton of teams....and they know it.
WUFF CAMP! ...bring your boys!!!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > 2) you do not get to call plays for the other team
---too bad....they are hatin' it.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > 3) making you pissed seems like a good strategy
---good luck.
i'm more theatrical than ya know......
it's all about some good acting.
you didn't know that?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > 4) if ur so pissed, grow a pair and make your comments on the field,
> > not 2 days past on r.s.d.
---yeah.....i'll grow a pair.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > in the end, IT SUCKS FOR YOU the tourny did not supply the necessary
> > practice you so desperately sought for your uncw boys.
---Cornell didn't seem to enjoy getting beaten by the Irates who had a bye
just prior to their 5th-6th place matchup.....Cornell had won the matchup a
day earlier...and probably would have liked to face an ECU team that had
ALSO just plaed a bracket semis game, even if the bracket was the 5-8
bracket.
oh yeah....Cornell is one of the teams i coach.
ECU for that matter, too.
WUFF CAMP!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
IT SUCKS FOR
> > YOU that teams did not play in a manner that meets your approval.
---see, this is where you are wrong(again).....
it doesn't "suck for me"....and that is the obvious point here.
it "sucks" for the teams that fail to play the way that they want to
play....and if you try to tell me that kick and run is the way that they
want to play....i'm gonna have to call bullshit on that.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
IT
> > SUCKS FOR YOU that undermanned and injured teams pulled out instead of
> > facing a severe beating under ur uncw boys.
---win or loss doesn't really matter, as long as the athletes battle,
really.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > but its good to see an ASSistant coach speak up for an entire team,
> > right?
---i'm not even remotely speaking for any team in the world.
YOU just don't understand.
Mike Gerics
> :)
>
> zone-o all day, and 5-8 bracket?
>
> :)
>
---i fear that your smiley faces are being laughed at by the poster to whom
you reply.
todd
punt and run strategy makes sense.
> Irrelevant. Why would anyone want to practice punt d? Unless you are
> just trying to practice defense.
It's definitely not a complicated strategy that requires a lot of practice.
Todd
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todd
lot.
The point is that playing against good teams on Sunday is a lot more
important than practicing "conventional strategy" in the current game.
Todd
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todd
connect to this group through the VT news server.
But if the VT team (or any other team) is smart, they will use the strategy
that gives them the best chance to advance. The point of going to a
tournament is to win the tournament.
If you can't handle the punt and run strategy, then maybe your team needs to
practice upwind offense. Then you could counter teams that punt and run
with a real battle, rather than spending your time whining about strategies
that you think are stupid.
Todd
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obviously it didnt suck too bad for teams to play punt-and-d against
uncw. we did go 4-0 on saturday, when it was an actual problem.
however, if teams do feel the need to play that way, that just goes to
show the confidence that these teams have in themselves. and if youre
gonna tell someone to grow a pair, you need to tell the coaches of the
teams playing punt-and-d, not mike, who spent the whole day saturday
letting the other teams know how bitchy that type of play was. and so
you know, when it comes time for a meaningful tourny with no wind, your
precious punt-and-d will never work, and you wont be ready to handle
the teams that have been used to playing for real all year long.
as for albany, we also had a 7 hour drive home, but had the balls to at
least show up for ALL of our game. isnt that what tournys are for? is
there another sport out there where it is not disrespectful to not even
show up for a game, regardless of the excuse?
Mike Gerics
> If it means that you get to advance in the tournament, then the game means
a
> lot.
>
> The point is that playing against good teams on Sunday is a lot more
> important than practicing "conventional strategy" in the current game.
~~~~~~~~~~~
OH......oh.....oh, hey todd, you're wrong.
if your team strategy involves completing passes and throwing that friskie
to your teammates, then that is the strategy you should use.....all the
time.
NCState basketball has a particlar style of play......
i bet they practice it all the time.....
so....i guess that that is why they never get a defensive rebound, turn, and
baseball the ball to the opposite end of the court, over the basket and into
the crowd.
Mike Gerics
---uhm.......word life.
Mike Gerics
to
> practice upwind offense.
---Todd, you are trippin'.
heaven is a never ending field of upwind zone offense.....
we live it and love it.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Then you could counter teams that punt and run
> with a real battle, rather than spending your time whining about
strategies
> that you think are stupid.
---UNCW won the game that i've been refering to.....so......i ain't even
whining about not being able to counter the punt and run....and i'd have
been very happy and fine with losing that game, because we played the way
that we want to play, and advanced the disc upwind to the goal line many
many times(damn goal line turnovers).....
The Seamen DID earn the upwinder late in the game to win it, while the
opponent NEVER advanced the disc with completions past 1/3 field, upwind, or
down.
as for whining......you have it all wrong.
i'm not whining.
i'm hoping to improve the sport on the college level.
so....get that straight.
Mike Gerics
> It's definitely not a complicated strategy that requires a lot of
practice.
---correct....it's simply an embarrasment(sp?) to those that employ it.
and i'm not asking a question....i'm telling you.
jt
Mike Gerics wrote:
> > Now in the series when it is win or go home, the punt/d strategy is a
> > useful tool. I hated it but realized my teams probably should have
> > done it too but we were too stubborn to sink to that tactic at the big
> > show. Just don't do it when there really is nothing on the line.
>
>
> a wise man once said..."play the way that you want to play, all the time"
We never did but still made semis anyway. But we lost a game cause we
tried to throw too many away swing cuts going downwind near our goal
line that cost us a chance to play you in the finals instead of the
epic semis. UCSC employed it on us and we would get all the way to
their goal line but try something stupid like a throw through the stack
or a hammer into the wind or some other stupid ass throw because we got
tired (they ran man d, not zone as they knew better). Lost by the one
upwinder they got on a short field. We were a very cocky team, would
not call time out, would not punt/d in 30 mph on national stage and
would not take shit from nobody (not even you g).
jt
swill...@yahoo.com
...directly to the players of the team?? (fucking hypocrite)
...during game play???
...about their choice of on-field play????
...he knew he'd crossed that line between heckling and pissing off the
opponents...
...and he still bitched and taunted even after being asked to
stop??????
...uncw wasn't regulating this asshat, and td seemed m.i.a.
lets be reasonable here...what options does that leave?
ilth...@hotmail.com wrote:
> ok hot shot, now you get a seamen speaking for his team...
Jabraham
upwind points are only scored about 10% of the time. punting is not
meant to be disrespectful to anyone. if anything, it shows respect for
both teams' defense.
also, as a couple of people have pointed out, there's no need to look
at it so negatively. just view it as an opportunity to practice upwind
offense and huck defense if you're concerned about practicing during
tournaments. is it really necessary to be antagonistic to other teams?
why can't we just be positive and simply accept it as another
opportunity?
-Jabe out
jt
> ....gerics was running around bitching other teams out is a good thing?
uhm, have you not been heckled before?
> ...directly to the players of the team?? (fucking hypocrite)
Again, heckled b4?
> ...during game play???
Broken record, heckled?
> ...about their choice of on-field play????
See the theme, heckled.
> ...he knew he'd crossed that line between heckling and pissing off the
> opponents...
Uhm, been that way for a long time. He definitely pushes the edges of
envelopes.
> ...and he still bitched and taunted even after being asked to
> stop??????
These are college men right? and yankess at that correct? Can't take
a little southern charm?
> ...uncw wasn't regulating this asshat, and td seemed m.i.a.
If Zeldin didn't think it needed regulating, then guess it wasn't
warranted.
> lets be reasonable here...what options does that leave?
Hmmm. Let's see. I was not there so but these come to mind:
1. Give in to his taunts and fold.
2. Keep doing what your doing even though it is not working (will only
incite G even further).
3. Keep doing what your doing except make it work to shut him up
(doubtful that would work as he is relentless).
4. Gripe on here after doing either 1 or 2 above.
5. Cry and never play ultimate again.
6. Headbutt him.
7. Spit on him.
8. Whiff his nuts with a disc.
9. Take it like a man and taunt back.
I'm sure there are more...
jt
swill...@yahoo.com
but i'm glad you offered the head butt option. and i'm guessing you
know this already, but spitting is for pussies. you swallow?
todd
> time.
>
Bzzttt...wrong. Good teams are able to adapt to game conditions and to
their opponents. That's why most advanced teams have some kind of zone in
their arsenal as well as a stack offense. Some of them even have success by
spreading the field. Teams that win championships are teams that can find a
way to win even when their "conventional strategy" isn't working.
Todd
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todd
> opponent NEVER advanced the disc with completions past 1/3 field, upwind,
or
> down.
Then you have nothing to complain about.
This windmill appears to be dead. Shall we move on to another one?
Todd
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jt
I'll leave that to Amy. Plus, mg doesn't need my help. I was trying
to make a joke at least a small bit as noted below which you obviously
did not get. Go back in the archives and see if you know what i mean.
>
> but i'm glad you offered the head butt option. and i'm guessing you
> know this already, but spitting is for pussies.
I guess you didn't get the joke, either of them. Sorry.
> you swallow?
beer = yup
jager bombs = yup
other liquor = yup
swallow/inhale/420 = YUP though if running for office was on my agenda,
then absolutely NOT
and i am not going to comment on the opposite sex.
Uhm, who are you by the way?
jt
Jim Strathmeyer
> --no, jt uncwalum....your team should never have done it.... a wise
> man once said..."play the way that you want to play, all the time"
Are you sure he didn't say, "play the way you want to play, except when
Mike G doesn't like it"?
--
Jim Strathmeyer
Paul P
todd wrote:
> ...that is the strategy you should use.....all the
> > time.
> >
>
> Bzzttt...wrong. Good teams are able to adapt to game conditions and to
> their opponents. That's why most advanced teams have some kind of zone in
> their arsenal as well as a stack offense. Some of them even have success by
> spreading the field. Teams that win championships are teams that can find a
> way to win even when their "conventional strategy" isn't working.
>
> Todd
I have to agree. Wiggins can correct me if I am mistaken, but there
didn't seem to be a lot of huck-and-play-D on Sunday at club natties.
I mean, there were long, downwind passes, sure, it was the fish and the
monkeys fer chrissakes, but not every possesion and it didn't look like
either team was intentionally doing a lot of punting. Also, there was
some junk D, but not a lot of straight zone.
And from my perspective (on the sideline, watching) it sure looked like
they thought they knew what they were doing...
But then blw seemed to endorse the punt and play D strategy in this
thread, but that may have been meant for a level of play that is not
Club Nationals.
Paul P
swill...@yahoo.com
Ben
>> Irrelevant. Why would anyone want to practice punt d? Unless you are
>> just trying to practice defense.
>
>It's definitely not a complicated strategy that requires a lot of
>practice.
I disagree. My assumptions:
1) Punt-and-D can be a dominant strategy in some conditions, and at some
skill levels.
2) Anything worth doing can be improved on with practice.
3) There are parts of the punt-and-D strategy that can be improved to give
better results.
In what conditions might punt-and-D be effective?
-Extreme upwind/downwind conditions, in which the only way the opponent
can score upwind is if you turn the disc near your own endzone.
-Extreme weather in which no one can reliably possess the disc for an
distance in either direction, and yardage is much more valuable than
possession.
-Your defense is excellent, and your offense is horrid.
I have not written out any kind of simulation of these conditions, but I
bet someone (JimP?) could do so fairly easily...
Here are some of the things I would think could be improved to give you a
better chance of scoring with a punt-and-D strategy:
1) Maximize your chance of catching your own huck/punt
-Picking a matchup on the fly as a team to pick on the other teams
worst deep defender (recognizing person to person matchups)
-Sending a second offensive player immediately after the huck to back
up the reciever, and act as a scorer if the catch is made...it would be a
huge loss to turn it over AFTER a long catch. This player would, again,
likely be matched up with a weaker defender.
-Assuming the opponent knows what you are doing, they may attempt to
zone...and there are a number of ways to get a better huck off against a
zone: putting a hucker at the wing [the Brian Linkfield], having
staggered handlers so you could throw a backwards pass to set up a huck
over the cup [the Maria Grigoryeva], running set plays against a zone
[designed swing/huck timing].
2) Maximize your chance of stopping the opponent from gaining quick yards
-Having zone or person-to-person positions designated before the huck,
to get the D set quickly
-Consistently target a downwind side of the field to huck to (in any
crosswind) such that the D never gets an easy look, but are often at the
cone.
-Work on shifting the mark to keep the disc going side to side, instead
of upfield, in transition
3) Maximize your chance of stopping the opponent
-Basics; work on whatever D is best for getting turns. In an
upwind/downwind game you are trying to get them however you can, and in an
extreme weather game without an easier direction, you would like to run
defenses that maximize your chances of getting a short turnover.
-Avoiding fouls, so that the opponent can't get second chances or,
maybe most dangerously, run out of broken plays (off of weird, free throw
attempts)
-Communicating off of any stoppage, trying to eliminate coordinated
attacks by the offensive players (like designed throw-to-space moves) that
might catch the D by surprise.
4) Maximize your chance of scoring
-In this situation, fast breaks are unlikely to be necessary downwind.
Secondary breaks, though, where a player is designated to recieve the
first pass from anyone, might be effective (especially if a team really
only has one player skilled enough to control the disc in the conditions).
-Setting up endzone looks from anywhere on the field, to minimize the
chances of turnovers in the upwind side.
-Maybe most importantly...any thinking you do to set up the punt-and-D
on the first possession is easy to think through, and you can set this up
on the line. After repeated possessions, though, you will have to be
better coordinated so that everyone knows how the attack of the endzone
and the ensuing D are going to be set up.
Summary: I think the reason punt-and-D has been so simple to do is that we
aren't at the point yet, skill- and strategy-wise, where the details
matter. But they might, at some point. For every detail or trick there
is to manufacturing upwind points, there should be a consistent tendency to
try and shut those down. These can be practiced and perfected. I think
more people will try to do so, as ultimate players in general stop
bemoaning the weather and start learning to win, regardless.
As far as team style goes...there are basketball teams that employ very
strange systems, and get them to work. There used to be many teams that
used the 4-corners or other spread strategies to shorten the game,
basically stalling to an 8-4 final (old NBA history, anyone?). On the
other end, check out the College of the Redlands (did I get that right)
basketball team sometime...they run a system with 20ish players,
all-out-pressure-D and a team enforced 10-second shot clock. They lose
games 200-180 sometimes, but they also win them by similar scores. Anyone
heard of the "flytrap" in baseball? Someone comment on recent changes
in the pro-hockey rules to combat stultifying trap D's that slowed the
game down?
Alternate strategies like these have been chided as being "unmanly",
"ugly" or"against the nature of the game"...but if they can help you
win games, then they are at least worth a little thought, I think.
blw
jt
Ben wrote:
> -Assuming the opponent knows what you are doing, they may attempt to
> zone...and there are a number of ways to get a better huck off against a
> zone: putting a hucker at the wing [the Brian Linkfield],
Linkfield playing punt/d??? Interesting. Maybe not intentionally but
off of a play to an iso I can see.
jt
Ben
Correct; when he showed this he wasn't advocating it as a way to punt,
but rather a way to attack zones (a trapping zone in particular) by going
into the trap and hucking through it.
blw
jt
Ben wrote:
> Alternate strategies like these have been chided as being "unmanly",
> "ugly" or"against the nature of the game"...but if they can help you
> win games, then they are at least worth a little thought, I think.
>
> blw
Ahhh shaddup and go back to coaching.
jt
nice lonnnnnnnggggggg post tho.
Mike Gerics
> not call time out, would not punt/d in 30 mph on national stage and
> would not take shit from nobody (not even you g).
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
---all great reasons why i love that team you played on.
Mike Gerics
> Are you sure he didn't say, "play the way you want to play, except when
> Mike G doesn't like it"?
> Jim Strathmeyer
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
---yep.
Mike Gerics
> ...that is the strategy you should use.....all the
> > time.
> >
>
> Bzzttt...wrong. Good teams are able to adapt to game conditions and to
> their opponents.
---really?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
That's why most advanced teams have some kind of zone in
> their arsenal as well as a stack offense.
---oooohhhhh......so...you are saying that a team should play zone O vs zone
D?
and.....if a team traps, then......my team should have a trap offense to
employ?
and....if a team forces middle, my team should have an FM offense handy?
man....you ARE on an advanced team huh?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Teams that win championships are teams that can find a
> way to win even when their "conventional strategy" isn't working.
---actually, i have been fortunate to win a championship game during my
career.....
and we had strategies for zone and trap and FM.......and none of those
strategies involved kick and run........because that shit ain't
conventional......it's nothing.....it's void of strategy......it is abscent
of strategy.
......and that's why 8 year olds find it easy to grasp....
Mike Gerics
> > Linkfield playing punt/d???
by going
> into the trap and hucking through it.
~~~~~~~~~~
---hucking, to me, is throwing deep to an open teammate.
punting, is chucking the disc way down there when you don't have a teammate
cutting deep......every time....
Mike Gerics
> dude, get off mike's dick.
---i just think he's right.
Mike Gerics
---sometimes ya gotta let 'em know.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> ...directly to the players of the team?? (fucking hypocrite)
> ...about their choice of on-field play????
---shouting "nice try" and "good look" or "almost!"....while teams are
hucking to the manhole cover with no receiver in sight......
sometimes, ya gotta let em know.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> ...he knew he'd crossed that line between heckling and pissing off the
> opponents...
---imagine that crowd of 70,000 behind ya......they were getting on the
athletes harder than i was!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> ...and he still bitched and taunted even after being asked to
> stop??????
> ...uncw wasn't regulating this asshat, and td seemed m.i.a.
---no TD in the world would have had a problem.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> lets be reasonable here...what options does that leave?
---shutting the fuck up and not being such a candy ass, for one.
get to it
Mike Gerics
> Then you have nothing to complain about.
>
> This windmill appears to be dead. Shall we move on to another one?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
---again, to be clear, i wasn't complaining.....rather, trying to help.
and......i bet i have.
Mike Gerics
> Linkfield playing punt/d??? Interesting. Maybe not intentionally but
> off of a play to an iso I can see.
---didn't he quit that team?
todd
zone
> D?
> and.....if a team traps, then......my team should have a trap offense to
> employ?
> and....if a team forces middle, my team should have an FM offense handy?
>
> man....you ARE on an advanced team huh?
You're the one who is advocating using the same strategy all the time.
>...that is the strategy you should use.....all the
time.
Todd
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> > ....gerics was running around bitching other teams out is a good thing?
>
> ---sometimes ya gotta let 'em know.
ain't your job primadonna.
here's the problem coach....you bitch, you whine, but no opponent will
ever have the pleasure of speaking with you one on one on the field.
you talk big, but until UPA lets bitchy coaches on the field, we'll
never get to see you walk. (and fuck you very much, i'll keep my money
away from your camp bitch ass)
but i guess that's the reason you only bitch from the sidelines like
the assinine drunk behind the dugout. good job coach on the
accomplishment.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > ...directly to the players of the team?? (fucking hypocrite)
> > ...about their choice of on-field play????
>
> ---shouting "nice try" and "good look" or "almost!"....while teams are
> hucking to the manhole cover with no receiver in sight......
> sometimes, ya gotta let em know.
do you not understand 'shut the fuck up'?
no, that isn't an invitation for more heckling. that's a clue. it
means, stop it.
but you're one of those good ol boys that thinks 'no' really means yes.
in which case, i really hate you now.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > ...he knew he'd crossed that line between heckling and pissing off the
> > opponents...
>
> ---imagine that crowd of 70,000 behind ya......they were getting on the
> athletes harder than i was!
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
hmmmm.....you get hard on athletes?
> > ...and he still bitched and taunted even after being asked to
> > stop??????
> > ...uncw wasn't regulating this asshat, and td seemed m.i.a.
>
> ---no TD in the world would have had a problem.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
people wanted to hurt you. that is a problem.
> > lets be reasonable here...what options does that leave?
>
> ---shutting the fuck up and not being such a candy ass, for one.
> get to it
like i said. you talk a good talk, but back it up with shit.
Jim Strathmeyer
> ---again, to be clear, i wasn't complaining.....rather, trying to
> help. and......i bet i have.
Well, for the sake of us all, maybe you should figure it out.
--
Jim Strathmeyer
Mike Gerics
---primadonna......that's a new one.
and....sure it is.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> here's the problem coach....you bitch, you whine, but no opponent will
> ever have the pleasure of speaking with you one on one on the field.
---for what team do you play?
and....i have never been interested in speaking with peasure towards an
opponent....why would i?
however, just so you know.....you're wrong.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> you talk big, but until UPA lets bitchy coaches on the field, we'll
> never get to see you walk.
---i don't even know what that means.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
(and fuck you very much, i'll keep my money
> away from your camp bitch ass)
---bitch ass....that is another new one.
not a good one...but new.
again, remind me of what team you play for.....and i'll be sure that your
school never attends.
however.....look out for those that do attend....because they might have
something to teach you.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
but i guess that's the reason you only bitch from the sidelines like
> the assinine drunk behind the dugout. good job coach on the
> accomplishment.
---i can't even figure out what you are writing.....
you'll never see me walk.....and that the reason i bitch from the sidelines
like a drunk person?
what are you saying????
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> do you not understand 'shut the fuck up'?
---uhm....no.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> no, that isn't an invitation for more heckling. that's a clue. it
> means, stop it.
----anyone crying about being heckled.....IS, in fact, asking for more.
ask around.
it's the fact.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> but you're one of those good ol boys that thinks 'no' really means yes.
> in which case, i really hate you now.
---i can't figure out what you are talking about....
but, it seems like you are freaking out.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > ---imagine that crowd of 70,000 behind ya......they were getting on the
> > athletes harder than i was!
>
> hmmmm.....you get hard on athletes?
----you're stupid, and i don't mean outrageous....
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > ...and he still bitched and taunted even after being asked to
> > > stop??????
> people wanted to hurt you. that is a problem.
----you are one of those dorks from CMU making all those horrible calls,
aren't you?
as for the problem.....it sounds personal....and i ain't the person.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> like i said. you talk a good talk, but back it up with shit.
>
---i don't get it......
the only talk i talk...is that which i have fronted up...and can back up.
but i think you are freaking out......
Mike Gerics
> > ---again, to be clear, i wasn't complaining.....rather, trying to
> > help. and......i bet i have.
>
> Well, for the sake of us all, maybe you should figure it out.
~~~~~~~~~~
---you guys are whacked.
Daag Alemayehu
news:1141921945....@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> never get to see you walk. (and fuck you very much, i'll keep my money
> away from your camp bitch ass)
Suit yourself. You're really missing out!
> do you not understand 'shut the fuck up'?
>
> no, that isn't an invitation for more heckling. that's a clue. it
> means, stop it.
Hmm, I dunno. If someone's in the heckling mood and he gets that awesome of
a response, I think he's gonna continue to heckle. There's nothing you can
do to satisfy a heckler more than showing that the heckling is getting to
you. Personally I'd think that a simple, "Hey, could you please take it
easy with your comments? We've got no problem with heckling, but I think
you're starting to step over the line" might do the trick. It might NOT do
the trick, but it's certainly a better response than "Shut the fuck up."
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Mike Gerics
> You're the one who is advocating using the same strategy all the time.
~~~~~~~~~
---you are as absolutely dense as an old dried up piece of dog shit on a hot
summer day.
i don't advocate a team throwing the disc to no one for no apparent reason
simply because they are scared to try to pass the disc to one another in an
effort to advance the disc either downwind or upwind.
todd
weak and it isn't proper ultimate. We all understand that.
You wrote that teams should use the same strategy regardless of the
conditions or their opponents. You wrote that teams would be better off
losing while practicing their regular game than winning while punting and
defending. Those are silly attitudes in my opinion. If that's not what you
meant, then please write something more coherent.
Feel free to attack me all you want - but that won't improve you, your team,
or college ultimate.
Todd
"Mike Gerics" <des...@digitizing4embroidery.com> wrote in message
news:H5ZPf.59951$no3....@tornado.southeast.rr.com...
Jabraham
with ultimate? can't we have a civilized discussion that does not
devolve into flames and trolling. likewise, why can't we keep our
comments on the field to positive ones? if you disagree with a team's
strategy, don't bitch at them, just focus on encouraging your team.
sure, people should be able to stand up to heckling, but is it really
in the spirit of ultimate to heckle and deride other teams and players?
i think we need to try to maintain a positive attitude throughout all
games and tournaments and even in forums such as this one.
-Jabe out
jt
Jabraham wrote:
> whatever ever happened to the spirit that was supposed to be associated
> with ultimate?
Spirit? Naw. Respect my opponents as in sportsmanship when all is
said and done? Sure.
> can't we have a civilized discussion that does not
> devolve into flames and trolling.
Sometimes.
> likewise, why can't we keep our
> comments on the field to positive ones?
your living in a fantasy world.
> if you disagree with a team's
> strategy, don't bitch at them, just focus on encouraging your team.
again, fantasy world. ain't going to change, trust me.
> sure, people should be able to stand up to heckling, but is it really
> in the spirit of ultimate to heckle and deride other teams and players?
Uhm, I think so, as long as it is done without malice.
> i think we need to try to maintain a positive attitude throughout all
> games and tournaments and even in forums such as this one.
And hold hands and cheer and do ectasy and make the world a brighter
place with world peace and etc etc etc.
> -Jabe out
cya
jt
ultimatep...@gmail.com
>whatever ever happened to the spirit that was supposed to be associated
>with ultimate? can't we have a civilized discussion that does not
>devolve into flames and trolling
i nominate this for funniest post of the year,
uh, given the context (i.e. gerics thread),
especially if jabraham is being sincere.
Mike Gerics
> conditions or their opponents. You wrote that teams would be better off
> losing while practicing their regular game than winning while punting and
> defending. Those are silly attitudes in my opinion. If that's not what
you
> meant, then please write something more coherent.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
----you're thick if you think an athlete and coach of
my.....'experience'....would be implying that a team should play a stack
offense against zone defense(or something along those lines).
Mike Gerics
> > away from your camp bitch ass)
>
> Suit yourself. You're really missing out!
---thanks Daag!
Go Tech!
Mike Gerics
> with ultimate?
---happened?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
can't we have a civilized discussion that does not
> devolve into flames and trolling.
---because there are always gonna be morons out there that need to be told.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
likewise, why can't we keep our
> comments on the field to positive ones?
--positively what?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
if you disagree with a team's
> strategy, don't bitch at them, just focus on encouraging your team.
---i was actually encouraging the other team.....and the 'other' team hasn't
had anything to say about what i wrote yet.
i haven't even mentioned the 'other' team in this thread....and i don't
believe they have replied......rather, some other team jumped in, possibly
believing that i was refering to they.
i don't even think that the 'other' team knew that i was talking to them
when i said things like, 'nice try' when they blindly chucked the disc to no
one.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> sure, people should be able to stand up to heckling, but is it really
> in the spirit of ultimate to heckle and deride other teams and players?
--yes. it really is.....and it's been around.....everywhere....since
forever.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> i think we need to try to maintain a positive attitude throughout all
> games and tournaments and even in forums such as this one.
---then you are in a dream world.
alle...@yahoo.com
Please post more messages in separate replies. This thread isn't long
enough.
If you're looking for someone to blame about punt/d or people bailing
then i'd look at the first post. I'm pretty sure that's the TD
apologizing.
Wiggins, stop being so right all the time.
End of topic.
Gosh
Mike Gerics
> then i'd look at the first post. I'm pretty sure that's the TD
> apologizing.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
---blame about kick and run?
not sure what that means.
blame teams for bailing?....not sure that the TD had anything to do with
that...it may not have been the most perfectly run event, but the TD didn't
encourage a team to leave prior to competing in their scheduled games.....
john coleman
swill...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > ---shouting "nice try" and "good look" or "almost!"....while teams are
> > hucking to the manhole cover with no receiver in sight......
> > sometimes, ya gotta let em know.
>
> do you not understand 'shut the fuck up'?
>
> no, that isn't an invitation for more heckling. that's a clue. it
> means, stop it.
>
> but you're one of those good ol boys that thinks 'no' really means yes.
> in which case, i really hate you now.
>
> > > ...and he still bitched and taunted even after being asked to
> > > stop??????
> > > ...uncw wasn't regulating this asshat, and td seemed m.i.a.
> >
> > ---no TD in the world would have had a problem.
>
wonder why uncw chose not to "regulate" G...
1 probably because we agreed with what he was saying.
2 does he not have the right to heckle if he so desires?
and since you dont think wuff camp would be any good, you may wanna go
work on playing real ultimate instead of crying on here.