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The Peril Of Being Like Every Other Sport

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ckerr4

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Nov 23, 2009, 1:41:55 PM11/23/09
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Yet another soccer related article that has bearing on our
favorite sport. This Guardian article talks about David
Beckham and US Soccer's 50(!) year plan to popularize soccer
here in the US.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/nov/22/david-beckham-football-america

To all my referee loving buds who feel all that needs to be
done is to turn ultimate into (American) football with a
disc and 6 guys with stripped shirts, I'm sorry, but I don't
have 50 years.

We need another approach that will hopefully capture the
imagination of some significant percentage (20%?) of the US
public. Players making their own calls is cool, it's
different, and might help the sport catch on with a critical
mass of players and spectators.

Charles
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Posted from http://www.rsdnospam.com

ulticritic

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Nov 23, 2009, 1:53:50 PM11/23/09
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On Nov 23, 1:41 pm, ckerr4 <chaske...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Yet another soccer related article that has bearing on our
> favorite sport.

this artical has a bearing on FOOTBALL???? I mean, football IS our
favorite sport, right? I guess that depends on what is meant by
"our". Our culture???? I'd say its pretty safe to say that football
is americas favorite sport.......I know its mine!
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> To all my referee loving buds who feel all that needs to be
> done is to turn ultimate into (American) football with a
> disc and 6 guys with stripped shirts, I'm sorry, but I don't
> have 50 years.

then lets cut to the chase........AND DO IT NOW.
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>
> We need another approach that will hopefully capture the
> imagination of some significant percentage (20%?) of the US
> public.

dogs??????
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Players making their own calls is cool, it's
> different, and might help the sport catch on with a critical
> mass of players and spectators.

then why hasent it yet? why didnt soccer make it as a "make your own
calls" sport? Why arent any other sports that are played in the "pick
up" fasion also played that way at the official level? and more
importantly......whats your big NEED for ANY SPORT to be played
officially in an unofficial fashion? why cant you just appreciate
sports for what they are......mental and physical chalanges........not
spiritual ones. ate up!

the answers to all these questions are quite clear........but it first
requires that one take their head out their ass.

ulticritic

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Nov 23, 2009, 2:34:25 PM11/23/09
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On Nov 23, 1:41 pm, ckerr4 <chaske...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yet another soccer related article that has bearing on our
> favorite sport. This Guardian article talks about David
> Beckham and US Soccer's 50(!) year plan to popularize soccer
> here in the US.
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/nov/22/david-beckham-football-am...

>
> To all my referee loving buds who feel all that needs to be
> done is to turn ultimate into (American) football with a
> disc and 6 guys with stripped shirts, I'm sorry, but I don't
> have 50 years.
>
> We need another approach that will hopefully capture the
> imagination of some significant percentage (20%?) of the US
> public. Players making their own calls is cool, it's
> different, and might help the sport catch on with a critical
> mass of players and spectators.
>
> Charles
> --
> Posted fromhttp://www.rsdnospam.com

i dont get your thread title????? how would it be a peril for
ultimate to be like (by "be like", i men a professionally presented,
succesful sport) every other sport. or is it just the rule
enforcement aspect that should be like every other sport.

Heinousboy

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Nov 23, 2009, 4:02:20 PM11/23/09
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On Nov 23, 7:41 pm, ckerr4 <chaske...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yet another soccer related article that has bearing on our
> favorite sport. This Guardian article talks about David
> Beckham and US Soccer's 50(!) year plan to popularize soccer
> here in the US.
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/nov/22/david-beckham-football-am...

>
> To all my referee loving buds who feel all that needs to be
> done is to turn ultimate into (American) football with a
> disc and 6 guys with stripped shirts, I'm sorry, but I don't
> have 50 years.
>
> We need another approach that will hopefully capture the
> imagination of some significant percentage (20%?) of the US
> public. Players making their own calls is cool, it's
> different, and might help the sport catch on with a critical
> mass of players and spectators.
>
> Charles
> --
> Posted fromhttp://www.rsdnospam.com

The Top Ten US soccer player salaries as of March 2nd 2009

1. David Beckham (England), LA Galaxy, $6,500,000.00

2. Cuauhtemoc Blanco (Mexico), Chicago Fire, $2,943,702.00

3. Juan Pablo Angel (Colombia), New York Red Bulls, $1,798,000.00

4. Fredrick Ljungberg (Sweden), Seattle Sounders FC, $1,314,000.00

5. Landon Donovan (United States), LA Galaxy, $900,000.00

6. Guillermo Barros Schelleto, (Argentina) Columbus Crew, $775,000.00

7. Luciano Emilio (Brazil), DC United, $758,857.14

8. Shalarie Joseph (Grenada), New England Revolution, $450,000.00

9. Christian Gomez (Argentina), DC United, $430,000.00

10. Taylor Twellman (United States), New England Revolution,
$420,000.00

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Nope wouldn't want to be any of these chumps stuck in the US playing
soccer for such miniscule salaries. Plus, according to the article
Beckham's team plays in front of an average crowd of 30,000 people.
What ultimate player would want to have to play with so much fan
scrutiny?

A better benchmark would be can ultimate become as marketable as
soccer is now in 50 years and what steps need to be done to get us
there?

ulticritic

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Nov 23, 2009, 4:18:05 PM11/23/09
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On Nov 23, 4:02 pm, Heinousboy <andrewz...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> A better benchmark would be can ultimate become as marketable as
> soccer is now in 50 years

i would think lax would be a better model to follow, but hey, they are
both white boy sports so either would work. I think lax and soccer
will soon be competing for the whiteboy rejects of b-ball and
football......and even some of the brotha rejects. no reason ultimate
shouldnt be gettin in that line too
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and what steps need to be done to get us
> there


change(modernize/streamline):

how rules are enforced

how game is managed

how events are presented

how competition is formated

how sport is marketed

WHEN season(professional/marketabke season) is.

really all it is is a matter of modernizing and streamlining the sport
to conform to the very high standards that the industry currently
requires for entry. no show, no business........thats show business.
sports entertainment IS show business!!!

the chris a.

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Nov 24, 2009, 9:02:36 AM11/24/09
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On Nov 23, 1:41 pm, ckerr4 <chaske...@gmail.com> wrote:

> To all my referee loving buds who feel all that needs to be
> done is to turn ultimate into (American) football with a
> disc and 6 guys with stripped shirts, I'm sorry, but I don't
> have 50 years.

> Posted fromhttp://www.rsdnospam.com

herein lies the problem for so many seperate arenas- people want to
see definite change within their lifetime. for better or worse, there
needs to be an ego stroke. now, dammit.

Throw

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Nov 24, 2009, 9:20:44 AM11/24/09
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for better or worse, there
> needs to be an ego stroke. now, dammit.>>>


Exactly... ultimate simply won't be a legit man's sport until hero
worship is legit consumer option for the adoring fans.


Hank & Co.
www.thisisultimate.com

fishklan41

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Nov 24, 2009, 10:08:40 AM11/24/09
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Players making their own calls is cool, it's
different, and might help the sport catch on with a critical
mass of players and spectators.

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It's really stupid and not different....pick-up/playground basketball
you call your own fouls...in fact pick-up of any sport you call your
own fouls.... without officals Ultimate is just a pick-up game played
in a park

ulticritic

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Nov 24, 2009, 10:26:35 AM11/24/09
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yea......its an attempt to formalize imformality.......what could be
more stupid? i mean, you got to be one ATE UP mf to think that self
officiation would be an actual draw for fanfair.

fishklan41

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Nov 24, 2009, 10:48:23 AM11/24/09
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even the AND 1 "streetball" has refs

pizzaslot

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Nov 24, 2009, 12:50:44 PM11/24/09
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Well, somebody needs to throw up the jump ball at tipoff.

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