An apology on behalf of Oregon Ultimate
Oregon Ego
The past week has been a tough one for the ultimate community. Due to
acts committed by the Oregon Ultimate Men’s teams at their sectional
tournament on April 11, the team, and more importantly the sport, has
been ridiculed nationally. While it was never our intention to neither
embarrass nor taint the name of Ultimate for anyone involved, these
are consequences we must deal with. Both captains of Oregon’s A-team,
Dusty Becker and Steve Kenton, will sit out the rest of the season if
The Oregon Ultimate team is allowed to continue. Both captains
expressed a serious lack of judgment and it is solely our fault that
the season and ultimate in general have been jeopardized. We feel this
is but the beginning of a recovery process for the sport and our team.
Let us both be the first to apologize for what happened and for the
fallout it has created for the sport. Ultimate Frisbee is a game we
all know and love, and the actions of Oregon Ultimate have jeopardized
that.
We neither expected nor enjoyed the media attention in anyway. The
negative press now directed towards the game has only deepened our
sadness and remorse. We have failed our program, our vast network of
alumni, the University, and most importantly every person out there
who plays ultimate Frisbee. While the comments made to the media
reflected dim views of those giving them, they are neither accurate
nor trustworthy. What was said was stupid. Ultimate does not foster
speeding, drinking, nudity, or any other quality of that nature.
Rather the sport demands honesty, sportsmanship, athleticism, and
friendship. None of such qualities managed to find their way into the
press.
This has been a hard pill to swallow, but be assured the Oregon
Ultimate community is going to take every step it can to better the
sport in the eyes of the public, and within in the eyes of the
players. We apologize for our colossally stupid mistake. We do not
ask for your forgiveness as the implications of our actions continue
to resonate, emails keep coming in, phones keep ringing, and reporters
keep asking questions. This message comes from the deepest, brightest,
most loving parts of our body for the game, for its players, for our
teammates, and for the future of ultimate. We are truly sorry.
Respectfully,
Steve Kenton
Dusty Becker
Captains, Ego 2008-2009.
strawberry
to little to late it seems
choocho...@gmail.com
best thing you can do right now.
As for hurting the sport, I think you can relax. The effect you guys
have is real, but it has been grossly exaggerated. Sure, our sport got
a lot of negative press because of your actions, but ultimate is going
to keep advancing, improving, and growing in popularity.
ckerr4
next level" should be outraged by Ego's actions, their disrespect for
the game, the UPA series, blah, blah, blah
But somehow I just can't that worked up about it and think both
Oregon's original offense and their subsequent defense in front of
their student board are pretty damn funny. People take sport way too
seriously.
I'm sorry the University of Oregon administration had a cow over it
and the team got suspended, but I'll take Ego's cult of irreverence
over the standard grim-faced, circle the wagons, the world's out to
get us, crap that so many top teams routinely manufacture, any day.
Party on guys.
Charles
frisbe...@gmail.com
I agree wholeheartedly. What's the harm in playing Ultimate in the
buff? Better than playing in boring black-and-white, Arabic-numeral
jerseys.
keith...@gmail.com
> embarrass nor taint the name of Ultimate for anyone involved, these
taint
But really, I think most of us understand what you and your teammates
meant by the comments you made to the press / board. It's a bad
situation and most of us would have tried to argue our way back in.
From my experience (psu) school exec's are not going to give in. I
think wagonwheel's script was dead on.
joel...@yahoo.com
situation from the Ego captains, but I have been playing competitive
Ultimate for 31 years and do not feel at all offended or let down by
your team’s actions. What I love about the sport is playing hard and
still maintaining respect for the rules of the game and my opponents
and in the same vain I love teams that play well and still know how to
have fun. Yes, I do think an occasional nude or underwear point is
part of the fun. My whole family was at a tournament a few years ago
that featured a strip Ultimate game and we all thought it was very
funny, the 7 nude people who took to the field at last weekends
Central Regionals Finals in the freezing, pouring rain were also
pretty funny and did not cause any fuss. No, I do not think nudity is
a big deal, and at any rate it is not illegal in Oregon. I realize
that some people feel differently, especially in this context, but
there is a big difference between not agreeing with someone’s actions
and harsh punishment.
About the bad publicity, Ultimate gets the not serious sport variety
of coverage from time to time, but I would much rather that then
Ultimate being “serious” in every way (that does not include, the
former, but at this point irrelevant, underage drinking or speeding).
The publicity is an unfortunate result of the suspension plus the
titillation of nudity. As choochootrain intimated, it will blow over,
and Ultimate will continue on.
Whether it be quite diplomacy, petitions from parents, or mass nude
protests, I hope all of you can find some way of getting to Nationals.
Matt.Pa...@gmail.com
It's no coincidence that even though one top ranked Oregon team is
kicked out, they still have a ridiculously good women's team who will
very likely make it to Ohio (Sunday). Eugene is awesome, and even
though less enlightened individuals must bend you to their will, you
know what you did/do wasn't/isn't wrong. I've never seen Ego as
anything but an awesome group of people that made life better.
Jared
> No, I do not think nudity is
> a big deal, and at any rate it is not illegal in Oregon.
Nudity isn't illegal in Oregon?
Rodney Jacobson
Correct.
http://www.kgw.com/news-local/stories/kgw_092008_news_nude_skater.968ebc65.html
ultic...@live.com
>. People take sport way too
> seriously.
or maybe (some) people dont take sport (ultimate frisbee in this case)
seriously enough. Had ego taken the sport, sectionals and their a/b
game a little more seriously this never would have been an issue.
On a side note(s)......1) it was bound to happen one day that folks
would get into some kind of tangible trouble for this so called
ultimate "ritual". (didnt some boston clubbers catch some shit for
streaking the finals at a nationals event years back?). And 2)
hopefully this has woken up the ultimate community to the REALITY of
the adverse effects that such clownish displays have on the sport.
In closing, its hard to tell if egos apology is sincere or if its
mearly lip service. Either way, i cant see ego taking part in that
"ritual" any more.
ultic...@live.com
uhhhhhh, hello mccfly.........the harm is that your team gets
suspended and you make ultimate look like a hippy/joke sport
ultic...@live.com
> the 7 nude people who took to the field at last weekends
> Central Regionals Finals in the freezing, pouring rain were also
> pretty funny and did not cause any fuss.
for real?????
what is the deal with you people????
I was being quite sarcastic when calling it a "ritual", but fuck, i
guess maybe it is. What a shame!
ultic...@live.com
> Our negative publicity is a hell of a lot better than Lacrosse's.
hardly......lax is a varsity sport and all over espn. Plus, the duke
lax team was framed......where as ego was caught red handed with their
pants down. Also, the duke lax "party" was behind closed doors.
So.......hardly comparable!
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>
> It's no coincidence that even though one top ranked Oregon team is
> kicked out, they still have a ridiculously good women's team who will
> very likely make it to Ohio (Sunday).
IF, that is, they are able to keep their pants on. (whats with you
people and getting nakid out their? Is it that you people ar ora-
GONE?
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Eugene is awesome, and even
> though less enlightened individuals must bend you to their will, you
> know what you did/do wasn't/isn't wrong.
your probably right that they do still feel this way.........which is
why i felt that apology was just lip service.
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I've never seen Ego as
> anything but an awesome group of people that made life better.
well they're sure makin life better for one NW mens team
ultic...@live.com
so what if it isnt? isnt somking pot, to some degree, legal out there
too. If ego had of been puffing it up on the sideline i would imagine
theyde still be in the same boat they are in. And again.....i'm sure
that the "powers that be" couldnt help but figuring in the "stupidity
factor" when making their decision.
all i can think is.......how embarassing it must be to be an ego right
about now (and specifically the one(s) that came up with the idea to
streak in the first place.
Wagenwheel
I beleive the apology is sincere. A little extreme, but I appreciate
the time and effort it took to write. However, I am most pleased with
this comment from a poster
" I think wagonwheel's script was dead on."
I think I have a backer for my film. See my mini-script in "Save
Oregon Ultimate" then send checks payable to "No Shirts, No Pants, No
Frisbee LLC"
Jared
You don't think it makes a severe punishment seem less reasonable if
they were doing something legal? I guess nudity might be illegal via
the club sports guidelines or something like that... But if they had
their season canceled for say playing with hats (Legal in Oregon
right?) I feel like people would be justifiably outraged over the
decision. Maybe it doesn't change the fact that they should be
punished but it sure makes me rethink how severe the punishment need
necessarily be...
ultic...@live.com
>
> I beleive the apology is sincere.
as homer j says.........suckerrrrr. who knows if they were sincere?
(them, thats who), but i got to give em yet more stupidity points for
not using this bart simpsonish fake "sincer apologetic" angle from the
get go. Never underestimate the power of kissing up (even if its
fake).
ultic...@live.com
>
> You don't think it makes a severe punishment seem less reasonable if
> they were doing something legal?
whether its legal or not has yet to be determined? and, Legal as per
who? theres state laws. osu laws (and policies), ou laws and policies
and ou sports club policies (not to mention upa policies). Do you
really think they were well with in the laws and policies of all of
these organizations?
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I guess nudity might be illegal via
> the club sports guidelines or something like that
well then check mate mf
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... But if they had
> their season canceled for say playing with hats (Legal in Oregon
> right?) I feel like people would be justifiably outraged over the
> decision.
is that the best analogy you could come up with? cause you really
aint helping your argument with that idiocy
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Maybe it doesn't change the fact that they should be
> punished but it sure makes me rethink how severe the punishment need
> necessarily be
you do understand that this was but one act in a line of many that
lead to this punishment? just wait untill you have children of your
own and you might change your tune on this whole punishment thing.
And you know what they say, "spare the rod........". You dont want to
make spoiled brats out of the young adults that make up the ou ego
ultimate team do you? They did this to themselves......and now they
are being put in timeout. Its really that simple.
Jared
I was just drawing an analogy to be facetious but ok I guess it didn't
work. What I was trying to say was that obviously the nudity was in
violation of some policy somewhere or else there never would have been
the punishment in the the first place. However the rules and
guidelines of school should at least to some degree reflect the
general mindset of the surrounding community, especially when it's a
public University. So since we've established (and we have now) that
nudity is in fact legal in Oregon it seems less reasonable that the
school not only finds it a punishable offense but would mete out such
a severe punishment.
But yeah you're right the real story is really probably not the nudity
but the fact that they had several other infractions before hand and
it seems like this is just the straw as it were... I guess it's really
not a lesson about any one stupid thing but rather if you're already
in trouble don't inflame the administration even more.. Even so this
seems to me like one of the more arbitrary reasons to end a season
when they had much better violations earlier
Nij
It is never too late for a sincere apology.
-Nij
#00 Fugue
3jane.
Everything he said, except I've been playing for 32 years.
MRB
I think for most of those out there who are unfamiliar with ultimate,
this is not "bad" press. It simply comforms to the image of ultimate
most people already have - ultimate players are wild and crazy and
free spirited and they don't like 'the man' and his rules and don't
have any ill will in them at all. Which is pretty much just what
happened. Yes, people interested in "real" sports and may think that
anything other than slavish devotion to winning and excellence on the
fields is simple tom-foolery, but alot of us would never have played
ultimate if it was like most other sports where that type of attitude
is revered. I don't have any problem with the penalty imposed, but the
idea that they somehow sullied the reputation of ultimate is silly.
Andre...@gmail.com
They didn't sully the reputation of ultimate, they just deepened
ultimates already deep seeded stereotypes for all the people who don't
play. You don't mind because you are that stereotype. But for people
who aren't that stereotype, and don't like to be stygmatized with that
stereotype everytime they tell someone they play frisbee then it IS a
big deal. People get upset when they hear "ultimate, is that the game
with the dogs?" Well that's a lot better than "Ultimate, is that the
game you play without your pants on?"
For those who would like ultimate to shed its old reputation what it
really needs is a new name, rebranding. "Frisbee Football" could
work. That's what people end up calling it who have never heard of
ultimate anyway. If there are no refs it's ultimate. If there are
refs "Frisbee Football". Kill two birds with one stone.
Benda
Second. Yes. I do get tired of people asking me if I play a hippie
sport.
I get tired of people not taking the time/financial sacrifices I make
to play this sport seriously.
I try to convey this to people but sometimes they just lack the depth
to understand.
However, Oregon has every right to do what they did. Maybe they got
caught and punished, so be it, that is water under the bridge. Yet,
you telling them to play extremely serious/hardcore/jacked up so you
can be taken seriously as an athlete is unwarranted. They don't tell
you to play naked every point do they?
Part of the beauty of ultimate is that you can have 4 or 5 intense,
fiery games and a laid back game in the same tournament.Ultimate is
unique in that the focus and intensity level of the whole day that it
requires is exhausting, more than any sport i've played, sometimes a
release is needed. At first I was worried what will the media
exposure do to our sport? "Oh no my friends think I'm not playing an
intense sport, the world doesn't respect ultimate. etc etc etc.
If this is you, take a step back and ask yourself why you need to be
validated as an athlete? The fact is if you care about it enough
yourself, the media perception of our sport shouldn't influence you.
I'd prefer to keep a healthy perspective on life instead. The media
will get over it. The fact is the game is still young. As more youth
leagues sprout up and high school teams sprout up, the demand for
varsity level competition will grow. For those that say you can't be a
top level team/player and still have a healthy perspective about their
priorities I would use Ego as an example of being an elite nationals
level team, without the singular focus on stringent professionalism.
Good luck next year.
Jeff
of a lot of conversation and laughter about this incident ... all
these people know of Ulimate is the EGO incident ...
Andre...@gmail.com
> First off, frisbee football is a horrible name.
>
Yes, please come up with a good name. People have been trying to come
up with a good name for ultimate for a long time. And ultimate
frisbee is also not a very good name. Very pretentious.
> Second. Yes. I do get tired of people asking me if I play a hippie
> sport.
This statement completely invalidates the whole rest of your
argument. If you get tired of people asking if you play a hippie
sport than you understand why articles like this hurt the sport.
> I get tired of people not taking the time/financial sacrifices I make
> to play this sport seriously.
> I try to convey this to people but sometimes they just lack the depth
> to understand.
>
> However, Oregon has every right to do what they did. Maybe they got
> caught and punished, so be it, that is water under the bridge. Yet,
> you telling them to play extremely serious/hardcore/jacked up so you
> can be taken seriously as an athlete is unwarranted. They don't tell
> you to play naked every point do they?
>
N, at a UPA sanctioned elimination tournament they DO NOT have the
right to play a naked point. Go ahead and ask the UPA, they will
agree. Why will they agree, because they care about the reputation of
the sport.
And I didn't say anything about Oregon. I was only commenting on the
people like you who think that somehow this event won't negatively
impact the sports reputation because they revel in the laid back hippy
love attitude of the ultimate community and know that this will help
further entrench ultimate in that aura.
> Part of the beauty of ultimate is that you can have 4 or 5 intense,
> fiery games and a laid back game in the same tournament.Ultimate is
> unique in that the focus and intensity level of the whole day that it
> requires is exhausting, more than any sport i've played, sometimes a
> release is needed. At first I was worried what will the media
> exposure do to our sport? "Oh no my friends think I'm not playing an
> intense sport, the world doesn't respect ultimate. etc etc etc.
>
Yup they probably do. And they didn't need this article to think
that.
> If this is you, take a step back and ask yourself why you need to be
> validated as an athlete? The fact is if you care about it enough
> yourself, the media perception of our sport shouldn't influence you.
>
I guess if I never want ultimate to get a fair shake at any coverage
on TV, any professional league, any chance for the olympics, any
chance of being a highschool varsity sport or an NCAA sanctioned
sport, or any chance to have a profession as a coach, league
organizer, player, or commentator I shouldn't care about the sports
image. If I don't want my 5 years as an organizer coach/captain of a
college ultimate team to mean anything on a resume or job application,
then again, I shouldn't care about the sports image.
So yeah, I care about the sports image. And so would a lot of other
players if they actually stopped and thought about how their actions
affect the entire ultimate community. I believe this is why EGO got
in this situation in the first place. They weren't thinking about the
consequences.
> I'd prefer to keep a healthy perspective on life instead. The media
> will get over it. The fact is the game is still young. As more youth
> leagues sprout up and high school teams sprout up, the demand for
> varsity level competition will grow. For those that say you can't be a
> top level team/player and still have a healthy perspective about their
> priorities I would use Ego as an example of being an elite nationals
> level team, without the singular focus on stringent professionalism.
Please don't use this one bad situation EGO got into as an example of
how you should play the sport. Please for the love of ultimate please
do not use this as an example of how to play this sport.
spacema...@hotmail.com
> sport, or any chance to have a profession as a coach, league
> organizer, player, or commentator I shouldn't care about the sports
> image. If I don't want my 5 years as an organizer coach/captain of a
> college ultimate team to mean anything on a resume or job application,
> then again, I shouldn't care about the sports image.
Is this why you're playing ultimate?
Boz
That is pretty baffling. Do you really coach a team to pad your
resume?
stevepete...@gmail.com
I'm pretty sure nobody is coaching to pad their resume. But don't you
think it says something about your sport when you wouldn't really want
to put it on your resume because of it's terrible reputation. I'm not
saying that it is always right for employers to use stereotypes when
hiring but I do it and so does everyone else to some extent.
Sometimes, as is the case in ultimate, you can judge a book by it's
cover.
Peterson
Wagenwheel
-For those that say you can't be a
top level team/player and still have a healthy perspective about
their
priorities I would use Ego as an example of being an elite nationals
level team, without the singular focus on stringent professionalism.-
I disagree. EGO is not an example of a elite nationals level team,
because they ain't going to Nationals. They don't even get the chance
to play for a spot to go to Nationals...or did you not get the memo?
An elite national levels team at least gets the opportunity to compete
on the field, not behind a lectern in front of your peers.
Hell, a little bit of professionalism would have gone a long way.
Stringent professionalism may have gotten them the National title,
which in hindsight might be a more pleasurable and memorable
experience than seeing your teammates junk flopping around while
running after the pull.
We get it. Let's be irreverent, let's be different, let's get a
tribal arm band tattoo! Sometimes in your attempt to be a non-
conformist you end up just like everyone else. Next thing you know
your non-conformity has led you to weeping like a toddler outside the
building where your season was just canceled. So, yeah, EGO is an
example of lack of discipline, poor judgement, and an eye for the
irreverent. Great for halftime entertaiment, but not so much for
Elite College Ultimate.
jacob
you had been subject to the same type of scrutiny when you played for
UNCW in the early 90s as the 2009 U of O team has been subject to, you
probably would have been disqualified, too (not for nudity, but for
more "conformist" violations of the upa conduct code).
You just got lucky to play in an earlier era, where the rules were not
so strict. Your passionate support of punishing rule- breakers is
conveniently selective with regards to time and nature of rule in
question.
Wagenwheel
Dear Ole Yahcob,
Sanctimonious condescension and Jesus Christ in the same line. Love
it. Very biblical for a Sunday.
Do I think they should have had there season canceled? No. Do I
understand why there season is canceled. Yes. Their judgement
sucks!
The only thing that differs today than in the 90's is the internet and
the ease at which information is exchanged. The game has changed very
little. The colleges expectations of clubs behaviors has changed very
little. The scrutiny that teams are under are self-imposed due to
technology and the sharing of information via internet.
I have executed poor judgement in the past and am sure will do so
again. But I have to be willing to accept the consequences based on
the choices I made.
Lastly my post was an outright disagreement with the notion that UofO
was a national caiber team. National Caliber Teams don't play without
pants at the sectional qualifier while in pursuit of a National title,
regardless of whom you are playing.
I broke rules then and break rules now. Gotta go to court for a
speeding ticket on May 14th. Fortunately, I was clothed at the time
and will be humble in the presence of the court. I assure I will not
say, "Speeding, in a lot ways is a good thing."
ager...@yahoo.com
---EVERY right?
doesn't sound like it.
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Maybe they got
> caught and punished, so be it, that is water under the bridge.
--well...i'd say that the water is still swirling around.
probably won't be past the bridge until after Memorial Day Weekend....
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> Part of the beauty of ultimate is that you can have 4 or 5 intense,
> fiery games and a laid back game in the same tournament.Ultimate is
> unique in that the focus and intensity level of the whole day that it
> requires is exhausting, more than any sport i've played, sometimes a
> release is needed.
---part of the beauty of ultimate is having 4 tough games and an easy
one in which you can play naked?
i've never considered that as part of the beauty.
sounds whack.
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> If this is you, take a step back and ask yourself why you need to be
> validated as an athlete? The fact is if you care about it enough
> yourself, the media perception of our sport shouldn't influence you.
---i don't follow this...
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As more youth
> leagues sprout up and high school teams sprout up, the demand for
> varsity level competition will grow.
---and then all the youth and varsity teams can play naked during
their easy games?
beautiful.
ultic...@live.com
> Next thing you know
> your non-conformity has led you to weeping like a toddler outside the
> building where your season was just canceled.
boo hoo hoo hoo......now THATS what i find comical here. If only the
dude that did that killer fla vidio (featuring "the call") could do a
spoof video of ego. You know, like a before, during and
after.........them acting like schoolgirl trying to half hide their
junk with their "really long jerzees" giggling anf joking it up, THEN
their patheic groveling attempts to justify their behavior to the
powers that be, FOLLOWED BY grown men weeping like a 2 year olds that
lost their lolly pops.
Now that would be my idea of COM - ED - YYYYYYYYY!!!! PLEASE tell me
that someone got video tape of them pussies actually sheding tears.
ager...@yahoo.com
> you had been subject to the same type of scrutiny when you played for
> UNCW in the early 90s as the 2009 U of O team has been subject to, you
> probably would have been disqualified, too (not for nudity, but for
> more "conformist" violations of the upa conduct code).
--jacob....you say some crazy stuff that doesn't seem close to real/
possible.....
how would ed or any team that he ever played for be disqualified?
i'm trying to picture why...but can't...
ultic...@live.com
> so strict.
how is that (good, i'll assume) luck???? maybe ed would have prefered
playing in a more structured and strict environment.
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Your passionate support of punishing rule- breakers is
> conveniently selective with regards to time and nature of rule in
> question.
c'mon jake, if thats the case, then why did ed never take advantage of
nude ultimate back in the day when it was more acceptable. When it
came to ultimate, ed, and all my people had a "serious business
attitude"......."It wasnt game to us.....it was our life". and lets
face it, gettin nakid while playing a sport is nuthin but fun and games
(silly childish ones at that).
Andre...@gmail.com
Are you really saying that the time committment people put into
ultimate shouldn't count for anything. Are you really that much of a
jagoff.
jacob
ease at which information is exchanged ... the colleges' expectations
of clubs behaviors has changed very little."
Right. I wasn't saying that today's school rules are tougher. The
upa rules are tougher, though. This is why I referred to the upa
conduct code. Either way, you are just supporting my point here.
Ed: "I have executed poor judgement ... but I have to be willing to
accept the consequences based on the choices I made."
Do you expect us to believe that is the 2009 upa conduct codes were in
effect in 1992 and you were disqualified for violation of these rules,
that you would have just quietly accepted this?
Ed: "My post was an outright disagreement with the notion that U of O
was a national caiber team."
Yes, I got that. I was responding collectively to all your posts on
this subject. I get the impression that part of you is happy that
these kids got suspended, and I find this disappointing.
Ed: "National Caliber Teams don't play without pants at the sectional
qualifier while in pursuit of a National title, regardless of whom you
are playing."
Yeah, they just streak while actually at Nationals, like DOG and
Sockeye, the 1996 open finalists, did during halftime of the womens'
finals. I don't think that nudity is an integral part of ultimate
culture, but it has not been reserved only for lower level players.
jacob
close to real/ possible..... how would ed or any team that he ever
played for be disqualified? i'm trying to picture why...but can't..."
Read the upa conduct code. Then ask Ed. Please bear in mind that the
1995 Wilmington Port City Slickers were perfect gentlemen.
jacob
advantage of nude ultimate back in the day when it was more
acceptable."
Toad, there are plenty of non-nudity-related violations of the upa
conduct code. A player can be "all business" and still violate these
rules.
ager...@yahoo.com
---read?
that's a good one.
jacob
and there is language in there which arguably applies to antics in
which Ed W partook back in the day.
ultic...@live.com
. I get the impression that part of you is happy that
> these kids got suspended, and I find this disappointing.
ALL of me is happy.....not really that they cant prsonally compete as
much as it drives the wedge further between the different camps of the
ultimate community. Actually i am happy they cant personally
compete. And one could say its some kind of kharma (if ya believe in
that kinda shit)........but for what, being stupid or making a mockery
of the sport. as for me, if i were to beilieve in such mystical,
voodoo mumbo jumbo, i'd think it was for making a mockery of ultimate
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>
> Yeah, they just streak while actually at Nationals, like DOG and
> Sockeye, the 1996 open finalists, did during halftime of the womens'
> finals. I don't think that nudity is an integral part of ultimate
> culture, but it has not been reserved only for lower level players.
yea, seems to be reserved for dipwads
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which one(s) did ed violate.......the threaten your opponent with a
small folding camp chair? but what if he were to claim self defense.
ultic...@live.com
like swearing???? who didnt/dosent do that?
pinto
> I'm pretty sure nobody is coaching to pad their resume. But don't you
> think it says something about your sport when you wouldn't really want
> to put it on your resume because of it's terrible reputation. I'm not
> saying that it is always right for employers to use stereotypes when
> hiring but I do it and so does everyone else to some extent.
> Sometimes, as is the case in ultimate, you can judge a book by it's
> cover.
Didn't that Stanford/Revolver guy feature ulty in his company
recruiting video?
My employers know that I'm an ultimate player. They had the idea to
do a "Fitness Friday" where employees would be permitted a two hour
lunch, so long as they participated in the sport of the week. It's
basically a thing to get workers who are in decent shape and therefore
more productive, less sick days, etc. We rotate sports on a weekly
and seasonal basis. They asked me to run an ultimate game once a
month, in rotation with basketball, soccer, and one of surfing/tennis/
beach volleyball, season depending.
There was a bit of scoffing about ultimate at the time, but two hour
lunches were enticing and folks came out. Those who thought it would
be a lazy walk in the park were quickly disabused of that notion.
It's since become the most popular of the sports that we play, and
folks liked it enough that we now play ulty or boot at the nearby park
during lunch 2-3 times a week instead of once a month. The guys in
our company that played hs/college soccer do quite well, the
basketball players are okay, the football players could use some
work. I'm sure that folks around the office still think of ulty as a
less serious sport than Am. Football, but that's okay... cuz it is.
They know what's up though.
The sport grows every year. It can't keep this growth rate up for
much longer without folks having to reconcile the "real" ultimate with
their stereotypes. I think those who want it to happen sooner should
teach the sport to more people rather than worrying about what EGO is
doing.
~p
pinto
> boo hoo hoo hoo......now THATS what i find comical here. If only the
> dude that did that killer fla vidio (featuring "the call") could do a
> spoof video of ego. You know, like a before, during and
> after.........them acting like schoolgirl trying to half hide their
> junk with their "really long jerzees" giggling anf joking it up, THEN
> their patheic groveling attempts to justify their behavior to the
> powers that be, FOLLOWED BY grown men weeping like a 2 year olds that
> lost their lolly pops.
>
> Now that would be my idea of COM - ED - YYYYYYYYY!!!! PLEASE tell me
> that someone got video tape of them pussies actually sheding tears.
Dude, if you really get off on Schadenfreude, you should check out
that South Park where Cartman kills the Radiohead fan's parents.
Actually, now that I think about it, you really seem like more of a
Cartman than a Homer, yet I only hear you bringing up Homer J in these
parts. Not a South Park fan?
~p
Wagenwheel
I have a twisted sense of humor Yahcob.
They played without pants...and here's the punchline...the school they
were representing canceled their season...not because of the no pants
things, but because they were already in trouble and showed piss poor
judgement. Or was it the UPA that reported the violation to UofO
officials because they were not in compliance with the 2009 UPA Code
of Player Conduct? I forget. But the funny part is they had a
history and not one of them said, "guys...bad idea". Poor Schmo's.
As for the teams at Nat'ls that streaked...cool...good for them.
Obviously they were smart enough to do it when their season was over!
Oh now that would be funny if that before their national championship
game, two guys decided it would be clever to streak the womens
halftime finals. And Action:
We see a pair of cleats being laced and the sounds of frisbees being
caught. The air crisp, and the skies are blue. We see Ultimate
players warming up in the background, Two players lace up their cleats
when they start to speak:
Sockeye (SE): Hey man, have a great game.
DOG: Thanks bro, you too.
(BEAT)
Sockeye: You know who's winning the womens game?
DOG: No.(pause) finals right?
Sockeye: Yeah.
(Pause: The DOG player gets an idea)
DOG: Dude? You know what we should do?
(The Sockeye player gets an idea when they both erupt with)
DOG AND SE: STREAK!
(They both stand up running in opposite directions the cameras go into
split screen. Each camera follows them as they gather their respective
teams and share with them the exciting possibility of streaking during
halftime of the womens game before they play their game)
CUT TO:
In the background a men's ultimate game, the national title. In the
foreground, two beaten ultimate players lying in pools of their own
disgrace.
AND...SCENE.
In response to:
"Do you expect us to believe that is the 2009 upa conduct codes were
in
effect in 1992 and you were disqualified for violation of these
rules,
that you would have just quietly accepted this?"
Yes I do expect you to beleive that, yet I cannot make you believe
that. If I had violated the rules in the conduct code for playing
without pants, I would have been real quiet about it. Some might say
silent.
You know what I'm happy about, the fact that now, the next college
Ultimate team will think before they play naked. I want ultimate to
be legitimate. And people playing with clothing ON is a step in the
right direction.
I want ultimate in the NCAA college ranks so I can say I played when
dumbasses would play without clothes and in skirts.
I am thankful for the memories and experiences it provided. Not all
of them are good, yet I'm thankful for those too because they help
define who I am today. Just like this unfortunate experience for UofO
will help define them. There is one primary difference however, each
and every one of my memories involve pants or shorts of some kind,
even if I woke up wearing someone elses. And one nude sleepwalking
incident, but that's for another post.
stick
>
> - Show quoted text -
What isn't mentioned about the streaking incident at 96 nationals is
the lady(who also brought her 9 year old son to see the game) that
complained spent the rest of the afternoon walking thru the crowd with
the police looking for the streakers. Those guys had to spend the rest
of finals hiding or go to jail.
Wagenwheel
>
> - Show quoted text -
Thanks for this little tid bit. Folks nudity and streaking has been
prevalent in the sports world for years. There is nothing new. One
main difference, it's usually a fan making a dart across the pitch,
fairway, diamond or otherwise. Not an entire team on the field of play
in the midst of competition.
Rugby teams usually reserve their nudity for the party, where the
ritual of the elephant walk occurs (ugh).
I love nudity. In my art and theatre, on a beach in southern Turkey,
the Greek Isles, or some other European country where topless and nude
sunbathing is accepted. Nudity really has no place in the world of
competitive sport, not since the dawn of clothing.
jacob
The fact that the DOG and Sockeye guys in '96 had to hide from the
cops was mentioned in a similar thread from a year or to ago. This
fact has no relevance in this particular context. Ed stated that
national caliber teams don't streak. The DOG/Sockeye example
disproves this. That these streakers had to hide from the cops does
nothing to take away from the caliber of their play; it only goes to
show that public nudity is often unwise, a point with which I agree.
jacob
1) The U of O team made a mistake
2) It was appropriate to punish the U of O team
Even assuming that the above two points are correct, neither of these
points alter the fact that you, a guy who routinely behaved in ways
which would violate the current rules, are now happy to see fellow
players get punished for breaking the rules (albeit different rules
from those you violated). You claim that had you been suspended in
your prime for misconduct, you would have quietly accepted this
punishment. I don't know you well enough to state with confidence
that this is baloney, but I am certainly doubtful of its truth. Even
if this is true, how would you have felt at the time about those who
celebrated your suspension, particularly if the celebrants were
themselves former rule breakers?
You are well within your rights to decry nudity in ultimate. Just
don't hide behind a phony "law and order" stance in doing so.
sanf...@gmail.com
alright jake, enough! we get it, that you think people are being
hypocrites about this.
but people do drugs when they are younger, then tell their kids "don't
do drugs." are they hypocrites? maybe, maybe not. maybe they
learned some things along the way and hope that they can apply the
knowledge they learned while growing changing as they got older to the
young people's lives. if you smoked weed when you were young, and
then find a bong in your kids room, are you not supposed to punish
them?
stick
I never said that it took away from their caliber of play. They did
however run from the consequences of their actions. Similar to U of O.
They did it, got suspended, now deal with it and quit crying. I don't
care how good they are or not. If U of O isn't crying about then no
one else should. Accept it and learn from your mistakes.
Jaws
> First off, frisbee football is a horrible name.
>
> Second. Yes. I do get tired of people asking me if I play a hippie
> sport.
> I get tired of people not taking the time/financial sacrifices I make
> to play this sport seriously.
> I try to convey this to people but sometimes they just lack the depth
> to understand.
>
> However, Oregon has every right to do what they did. Maybe they got
> caught and punished, so be it, that is water under the bridge. Yet,
> you telling them to play extremely serious/hardcore/jacked up so you
> can be taken seriously as an athlete is unwarranted. They don't tell
> you to play naked every point do they?
>
> Part of the beauty of ultimate is that you can have 4 or 5 intense,
> fiery games and a laid back game in the same tournament.Ultimate is
> unique in that the focus and intensity level of the whole day that it
> requires is exhausting, more than any sport i've played, sometimes a
> exposure do to our sport? "Oh no my friends think I'm not playing an
> intense sport, the world doesn't respect ultimate. etc etc etc.
>
> If this is you, take a step back and ask yourself why you need to be
> validated as an athlete? The fact is if you care about it enough
> yourself, the media perception of our sport shouldn't influence you.
>
> will get over it. The fact is the game is still young. As more youth
> leagues sprout up and high school teams sprout up, the demand for
> top level team/player and still have a healthy perspective about their
> priorities I would use Ego as an example of being an elite nationals
> level team, without the singular focus on stringent professionalism.
>
I agree 100 percent. I'm sick of everyone complaining that mainstream
media doesn't take ultimate seriously. Who the fuck cares what the
media thinks? I'm sick of some of these Ultimate guys walking around
and posing like they're LeBron James or something.
I've never played a naked point, and probably never will, but I'm glad
there are Ultimate players out there who do. The last thing we need is
another prim and proper activity that fits neatly within the
behavioral standards of some college administrator. I don't approve of
speeding and/or underage drinking, but nudity? Get over it.
jacob
kids room, are you not supposed to punish them?"
That's your decision as a parent. Either way, you don't take pleasure
in the decision.
ultic...@live.com
> young people's lives. if you smoked weed when you were young, and
> then find a bong in your kids room, are you not supposed to punish
> them
i'd simply tax him/her. and make sure they know how to use that
b......and hope that its a tm.
sanf...@gmail.com
you could take some pleasure in it, if you just fired one up with the
kid all toad style!
Wagenwheel
> Ed, all your points boil down to:
> 1) The U of O team made a mistake
> 2) It was appropriate to punish the U of O team
>
> Even assuming that the above two points are correct, neither of these
> points alter the fact that you, a guy who routinely behaved in ways
> which would violate the current rules, are now happy to see fellow
> players get punished for breaking the rules (albeit different rules
> from those you violated). You claim that had you been suspended in
> your prime for misconduct, you would have quietly accepted this
> punishment. I don't know you well enough to state with confidence
> that this is baloney, but I am certainly doubtful of its truth. Even
> if this is true, how would you have felt at the time about those who
> celebrated your suspension, particularly if the celebrants were
> themselves former rule breakers?
>
> You are well within your rights to decry nudity in ultimate. Just
> don't hide behind a phony "law and order" stance in doing so.
I've always claimed, "hypocrisy rules".
As for DOG/Seattle. They streaked. They didn't play nude at a
qualifying event, thus I stand by my assertion that national level
teams do not play naked. They may streak as a goof, but do not and
will not play without clothes at a tournament that is of importance
while in the pursuit of national title.
The only thing phony I stand behind is a film set.
I do not celebrate the suspension, I celebrate the stupidity it took
to play without pants at a sectional qualifier. I celebrate their
poorly thought defense. I celebrate the small victory for all fans
and players that Ultimate may be one step closer to ligitimacy if we
all just play with clothes.
jacob
And I never said you explicitly said that. You did, however, bring
the point up in the context of a discussion where a previous poster
had stated that top players don't steak, and then I cited top players
who did. Maybe you were just trying to take the discussion in a
totally different direction.
"They did however run from the consequences of their actions."
Appealing a punishment is not running from the consequences of your
actions; it is a direct challenge to those consequences, so the U of O
team does not fit this description. As to the Sockeye/DOG guys hiding
from the cops, what kind of schmuck turns themselves in to the cops
for streaking? That's not being responsible, it's just being
foolish. Especially when you are in Texas (and yes, I agree that the
streaking itself was a bit foolish).
"now deal with it and quit crying."
Appealing a decision is not crying. The U of O administration does
not think so, otherwise they would not have their own appeals
process.
"I don't care how good they are or not."
We agree here. Better teams should not be allowed to break the rules
more than lousy teams.
"If U of O isn't crying about then no one else should."
It's a weak ploy to apply the term "crying" to those with whom you
disagree. If you are referring to me, I can assure you that I am not
crying; I'm just calling out some hypocrites.
"Accept it and learn from your mistakes."
I think this may be the stage that the U of O team is at now.
jacob
naked. They may streak as a goof, but do not and will not play
without clothes at a tournament that is of importance"
You are right. I did not read carefully enough. You made this
distinction earlier. Sorry.
You're still a hypocrite, though.
Wagenwheel
Of course I am. Never said I wasn't. We once again agree.
ultic...@live.com
word
ultic...@live.com
> the lady(who also brought her 9 year old son to see the game) that
> complained spent the rest of the afternoon walking thru the crowd with
> the police looking for the streakers. Those guys had to spend the rest
> of finals hiding or go to jail
another thing that might be worth mentioning is that one of those
players was (maybe, then current) board member JIM PARINELLA!
uhmmmmmmmm????? i wonder if HE was punished by the upa admin (i'm
bettin the house he wasnt). In fact, the upa may have gone out of
their way to HIDE his identity?????? I cant wait to see the upa
wriggle their way out of this issue. Maybe they DO think its a
ritual.......HOW ARE WE TO KNOW??????
BUT MORE IMPORTANT THAT ANYTHING ELSE with this issue and the upa
admins stance on it, we should be made aware of where each and every
board members stands (individually....cause thats how votes are
casted) on this and the other 10 or 15 hot issues with this sport.
C,MON MEMBERSHIP......LETS HOLD THEIR FEET TO THE FIRE ON BEING MUCH
MUCH MUCH MOR TRANSPARENT AND COMMUNICATIVE ON THESE AND OTHER ISSUES.
DID YOU ALL SIMPLY FORGET ABOUT THE CEWIN OUT THAT MIKE PAYNE GAVE THE
MEMBERSHIP CONCERNING "COMMUNICATION"?????
MAN IF WE COULD ONLY GRILL THE UPA ADMIN IN THE SAME WAY THAT OUR
PRESIDENT GETS GRILLED EVERYDAY BY THE PRESS COR.