Cole Sullivan for Callahan: The Decision
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Alton
waaaayyyy back in our senior year of high school. I remember going to
Wal-Mart and buying a Wham-O that came with this little instructional
video showing you how to throw a flick and I remember our jaws
dropping because we didn’t know you could do that to a Frisbee. I
remember the day we showed up to our first Florida Ultimate tryout and
watching Kurt Gibson throw a perfect 70 yard flick to a jogging Tim
Gehret and then looking at each other in complete disbelief. I
remember how quiet the crowd was when Kurt made an absolutely
ridiculous play to catch a Callahan in the showcase game at Centex our
freshman year, how shocked we were that no one would cheer for such an
awesome play.
You see, we hadn’t realized we were the villains yet, but we figured
it out pretty shortly. And we fed on it, Cole especially. We figured
it was us against the world, and we were right. Then about halfway
through 2008, Cole was suddenly a monster. Not in the sense that he
was a beast on the field or was skying the trash out of people (even
though he was) he had become this larger than life poster child for
everything that was “wrong” with the game of Ultimate. And back then,
he probably deserved that rep. After that, Cole never got the benefit
of the doubt for any call. Ever. We’re talking everything from College
Nationals to hat tournaments to Potlatch to the game to go at Club
Regionals. Think about that when you call him the biggest cheater in
the game, put yourself in those shoes.
Cole has legitimately tried to change his rep. I know this because
I’ve been there every step of the way, from our very first tryout five
and half years ago, to heading to Boulder this year for our last
College Nationals. He’s matured, not that it matters to the masses of
RSD, but his sportsmanship has improved every year since 2008, despite
being the Most Hated Player in Ultimate. Now I’m not saying he’s a
shining beacon for SOTG, and I’m sure thirty people will respond to
this and flame me, but he’s come a loooooong way. It shocks me that
this goes so unnoticed to the general public.
Anyways, now for the fun stuff. Cole’s a baller, on the field his
ability as a player is unquestioned. In a year where we were supposed
to be terrible and we were written off, Cole has put our team on his
back and led us to victories at CCC, T-Town, Easterns, Sectionals, and
Regionals (5 out of 6 tournaments if you’re keeping score at home) and
the 3 seed at nationals. There is honestly no one in the country that
can guard Cole, and you are naïve if you think that teams don’t
completely change their defense game plan to try to contain him. He
breaks the mark at will, throws great hucks, gets handblocks, gets
layout d’s, and skys people. Boom.
Vote for Cole, he’s got soul.
Alton Gaines #13
Captain, Florida Ultimate
Yayarea
subtle digs at other teams might be unnecessary, I guess
that just reinforces the point.
Classy Florida <-- no sarcasm
-Cassidy
morfin
threatened his life at least twice on the field. He earned
every ounce of his nickname Troll -- because he cheated like
a bag of dicks... worse than Carleton. At least CUT would
acknowledge and smile, knowing they were subtly cheating.
Cole would give me a blank slate stupid face and act like he
just didn't purposefully slide tackle kick me two seconds
before.
My top 3 would go: Stubbs, Lindsley, Geppert.
Slade
reputation and behavior, and that once people have tagged a
persona onto a team it is very difficult to change- as a new
player, if you're damned if you do and damned if you don't,
why not keep doing it?
It's especially tough in ultimate since games aren't
televised. Teams (and players) have to be pretty deliberate
to shake that rep, and it often takes a couple of years.
Ben
P.S. East Carolina is an example of a team that has
gradually shaken that reputation during my college tenure,
and is now one of my favorite teams to coach against. I
believe coach Jeff Martin (along with former captains Joey
Saba and Eric Martin) played an important role in that
culture change.
mgd.mitch
matter what people thought of him as a person or Florida as
a team, the highlight after highlight showed that the guy
could ball better than your best guy, by a long shot. Based
on the voting results, I think it convinced lots of teams
that Brodie was an amazing player, but not quite enough to
put him over the top because of Florida's rep (at least
that's my impression, I don't see how Brodie doesn't win it
if you don't consider that stuff). I don't see how this
video, with maybe 3 clips of actual play on the field, is
going to do any better (or anywhere near it, IMO).
Florida no doubt put together an impressive season after
graduating the beast that is Brodie Smith. But given Cole
sat out the first half against Pitt in the finals Easterns
due to an earlier ejection and still took half, I think that
the Florida "system" has as much to do with their success as
Cole.
Reggie Fanelli
> You see, we hadn’t realized we were the villains yet, but we figured
> it out pretty shortly. And we fed on it, Cole especially. We figured
> it was us against the world, and we were right.
---there is NOTHING better....than the "us against the world"
mentality!
those folks lucky enough to be on teams who adopt that theory....are
waaaay better off than those who are seen as, and consider themselves
to be 'a part' of the world!!!!
Reggie Fanelli
> threatened his life at least twice on the field.
---wow morphine, that's pretty bad spirit on your part.
DLK
irony is too thick to not appreciate.
--
~DLK~
jumponit
win the Callahan, and he didn't make this video to try to.
The hatred that everyone pours on him seems to make him play
better, and he wants it.
Jim Aspholm
circlejerk that I've come to expect from Florida. It's an
intriguing look at Cole from a different perspective. But
that perspective arrives at the same retult: Cole Sullivan
should not win Callahan this year.
"I am not a role model" -Cole Sullivan. That is, literally,
what the Callahan award is given out for: embodying all of
the best qualities a college Ultimate player should have.
Cole, in his own words, just doesn't fit the bill.
Euh
no
Euh
> matter what people thought of him as a person or Florida as
> a team, the highlight after highlight showed that the guy
> could ball better than your best guy, by a long shot. Based
> on the voting results, I think it convinced lots of teams
> that Brodie was an amazing player, but not quite enough to
> put him over the top because of Florida's rep (at least
> that's my impression, I don't see how Brodie doesn't win it
> if you don't consider that stuff).
People are hired for their skills and fired for their attitude
Doc
Survive, "accomplishments are transcient"
I have no idea who won the Callahan award last year but I
know who won the National Championship.
Besides, there is something wrong with an award when they
say it goes to the best player in ultimate who follows the
dogma of SOTG. Nothing against SOTG, but if the Callahan
award is really suppose to go to someone who embodies the
best qualities of college ultimate, then we have an
arbitrary award being given to the most lovable player.
Whoever gets to decide what the best qualities are, is the
person who who gets to decide who gets the award. This award
should be going to someone who has done something more
philanthropic in the name of ultimate, rather just being the
best athelete who is most liked.
Everyone knows that Florida has churned out some of the best
players in the Nation over the past several years and should
of been recognized for this. Maybe we need a new award that
just recognizes the best players in the game and leaves it
at that, but no.
We all want to be acknowledged for being really good at
stuff. It's what make some kids grow up to become something
and other fall off and self-medicate.
I do think it's worth pointing out that competition is a
good thing and makes us stronger as individuals. We learn
how far we can push ourselves and what we can accomplish. At
the same time we tend to take competition too far in our
society with this "win at all cost" mentality that stems
from our fascist ways and over militarization of our
education system. I can appreciate the Callahan award for
what it is, something to congratulate people who can still
be the best without being overly competitive.
But with that said, don't worry about something as
subjective as this when your true goal is winning. Be who
you are and don't be afraid to let your animal side out when
you are battling on the field. I'm not advocating being a
complete dick, but rather just being who you are and not
asking people to see you in a certain light so you can be
rewarded for behaving like they want you to behave.
CavsWin
carefully or have ever seen the lebron video, Cole says, "or
should i tell you, i am not a role model"
Please don't misquote my video or cole's words out of
context in an effort to use his own words against him. I'm
assuming this was unintentional, maybe just watch more
closely next time though. thanks.
Gray
philthy
> Cole.
Florida ultimate relies on smart, skilled, disciplined, and well-
conditioned play-makers to win games. Cole is our biggest playmaker.
This IS the Florida "system."
Cole Sullivan plays almost every point. Usually guarding one of the
best players on the opposite team and certainly drawing one of their
top defenders if they want any chance of competing in the game. It is
not an accident that he plays every point in big games. As a captain,
he pushes himself and teammates through the workouts needed to be in
condition to play every point against high level competition. As the
leader of the offense, he calls the plays and executes the plan on the
field. He is versatile enough to beat opponents deep or underneath, as
a thrower or cutter. Last year's success at Nationals was in no small
part due to Cole's defensive prowess and the consistant inability of
any opponent to stop Cole from getting the disc (see:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gT6pDMBaKuE).
To continue to compete at a high level after graduating a player as
undeniably crucial to Florida's past success as Brodie Smith has
certainly been a team effort, but let's not downplay Cole's part in
elevating his game and rebuilding a national contender. Stepping into
the primary handler and co-captain roles, he has been good enough as a
team leader to achieve tournament victories against several other
formidable and well-respected college teams.
I have no doubt that there are other hard-working and well-deserving
Callahan Award candidates, but can't imagine that any have excelled in
carrying and leading their team as well as Cole Sullivan. His relative
notoriety as a Troll and reputation for poor sportsmanship seem to be
enough to convince many minds on the Callahan award matter. I have no
idea what the other candidates have done this year to demonstrate
spirit leadership so superior that Cole on-field play is overshadowed,
but as someone who has seen Cole grow into a bigger leadership role
this year and witnessed how passionate he is for his team and sport, I
find this resentment and assumption of poor character unfortunate and
inaccurate. To discount his merits on the basis of him being an
asshole 2-3 years ago seems about as cogent as measuring any other
current candidate based on their 2009 season huck completion/turnover
ratio.
Cole is not a dominant player because he is bigger, faster, stronger,
or can out-jump everyone on the opposing teams. He is dominant because
he works harder and plays with more drive and passion than anyone else
I've ever seen on the field with him. He is an elite play-maker and
leader of one of the top teams in the country. He is the ideal
ultimate player and I am honored to know and work with him this past
year.
Phil Hansen
Florida Ultimate coaching staff
T
> Hey Cole, dont worry about this award.
Yeeeaaahhhh, he's not worried about it...
T
Twilley
At 9:16 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQytUyiDSks
Penalized at Easterns for (intentionally right?) bidding
into the back of someone's legs. Spikes the disc every time
he gets the chance to. If Brodie and Kurt can't win the
Callahan for being unspirited, what has changed?
I'm an asshole myself so I can recognize these things.
Stephen
Cole's got a big heart and a big game. all ya need out
there. let the players play. popularity contests are tough
to win.
tyasantelo
make very small comparisons to other leagues. If you look
at a considerable amount of "Player of the year awards" in
other college sports, numerous winners have exemplified what
it means to be a hard worker, and a great example to the
community or to the league. (que the few out of a lot of
players that go against this notion) but as a WHOLE most
Heisman, or player of the year winners in basketball are
indeed, the hardest workers; the best team leaders; and the
coaches favorite athletes to work with; but more often then
not they are also very positive and spirited players.
That's not to say they don't play aggressive, but they are
usually highly respected by a majority of players in their
respective leagues. The callahan does weigh heavily on
SOTG, and while no other college award really has that as a
main criteria, it is in fact looked at just as much as
performance. Cole works hard, plays hard, coaches love him,
teammates look to him as a leader, but if numerous other
players do that AND are well respected because they've
earned such respect, than that should speak volumes.
RobFYT
the award represents" or "good spirit?" I don't think it's
necessary. Other Florida guys for whom this conversation was
had were transcendent players. Having the "spirit"
conversation about Brodie or Kurt, sure. Those guys were
head and shoulders above the rest, and both deserved to win,
at least on talent. Cole is certainly good, and I'm sure he
works his butt off, but lot's of teams have someone like
that. I don't think it serves the debate to treat this as
another "Florida's acts kinda douchey" referendum. Claiming
that he shouldn't get the Callahan because he gets TMFs a
lot assumes he would get it otherwise. The truth is, he's
not as good as Stubbs, he's not as good as Spiva. From what
I remember of Lindsley, he's not as good as him either.
Best of luck to Florida, they look like a really good team.
I just don't think they have the best player in college
ultimate on their team.
Nicky Spiva for Callahan.
-Rob H.
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FYT
Reggie Fanelli
> irony is too thick to not appreciate.
--not sure to which post you are refering.....and not sure what the
irony is.
Bobus
> irony is.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say the irony is you calling someone
out for bad spirit.
Just a crazy wild guess...
Reggie Fanelli
> out for bad spirit.
>
> Just a crazy wild guess...
---hey....2001 Club National Champions of Spirit of the Game with a
perfect 5 star rating.....
WUFF Warriors...capt Mike G.
i know about spirit of the game....and sportsmanship.
DLK
heading butting.
Making full use of your ultimate IQ is always important.
--
~DLK~
Reggie Fanelli
> heading butting.
>
> Making full use of your ultimate IQ is always important.
---ECU Irates.....1995 National Champs.
....not makin' that up.
Jim Aspholm
generally about the Callahan award? You guys can start
another thread about Gerics and his thoughts on SOTG.
keg
generally about the Callahan award?"
probably not
Reggie Fanelli
> generally about the Callahan award? You guys can start
> another thread about Gerics and his thoughts on SOTG.
--leave it to jerks like DLK and Bulbous to try to fuck up a thread.
"gerics" seemed to be responding to...and about the thread until those
goofs high-jacked.
DLK
of myself.
Let's bring it back to Cole indeed.
IMO, Lindsley, Stubbs and Cassidy are all better *overall*
players period. Cole and Cody B. are both great players and
comparable. I think Cody plays better O and Cole plays
better D, but neither are better *overall* than those other
3 guys this season.
I give the edge to Cody when factoring in sportsmanship.
My votes would go:
Stubbs
Lindsley (assuming he gets voted by RC)
Cassidy (assuming he gets voted by RC)
Cody
Cole
Feldman
Norris
Russell
*did not see Nicky at all this season.
--
~DLK~
Stephen
are a cooler dude than that. or at least i thought. why all
you fruity frisbee players gotta act all tough and
holier-than-thou on rsd? I know spirit of the game commands
the holier-than-thou craps. when is ultimate gonna crown
the best players and stop being wussies? it shouldn't be
about who is the nicest, should be about who is the best.
not saying cole is but man, the callahan gets siller every
year...
Stephen
weak. why doesn't he jump higher? I got a bunch of sweet
plyos to do for explosiveness if he wants to give me a
shout. always down to help a brother get better!
Oldandslow
"--leave it to jerks like DLK and Bulbous to try to fuck up
a thread.
"gerics" seemed to be responding to...and about the thread
until those
goofs high-jacked."
Nope, Mike, you hijacked it. All replies on this thread
were about Cole Sullivan in one way or another until you
posted this:
"> Cole used to kick foul me so intentionally cheap that I
> threatened his life at least twice on the field.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
---wow morphine, that's pretty bad spirit on your part."
Notice how you made a post only attacking the spirit of
Morphine, without saying anything about Cole? In doing so
you naturally opened yourself up for criticism, since, if
you hadn't noticed, you're sort of a lightning rod.
Congrats, you've hijacked another thread and made it at
least partially about you.
mvuong
Then I guess you should start up your own independent award
like the Callahan. You can name it whatever you want and
just award it to the best player.
RoShamShot
RC I think.
morfin
> Then I guess you should start up your own independent
> award like the Callahan. You can name it whatever you want
> and just award it to the best player.
Reminds me of of the NUMP panel..
The Callahan award is mostly about spirit & popularity.
Perhaps there should be a.. Gerics Award! For the biggest
hucker/shit-talker!
Reggie Fanelli
> like the Callahan. You can name it whatever you want and
> just award it to the best player.
> --
---for a few years.....this award was the NUMP College MVP Award.
(National Ultimate Media Panel)
the NUMP also had an every other week top 25 for several seasons....
it was the shit!
ask!
Reggie Fanelli
> hucker/shit-talker!
--sounds like a great title for an MVP award.
keep me posted.
Reggie Fanelli
> hucker/shit-talker!
---i was never a shit talker.
and i never once said "scoreboard".....hate all that.
Bobus
> "gerics" seemed to be responding to...and about the thread until those
> goofs high-jacked.
All I did was answer a question which YOU asked.
Dumb ass.
Stubbs for President!
The Ocean
>I’ve been there every step of the way, from our very first tryout five
>and half years ago, to heading to Boulder this year for our last
>College Nationals. He’s matured, not that it matters to the masses of
>RSD, but his sportsmanship has improved every year since 2008, despite
>being the Most Hated Player in Ultimate.
Gotta say, I'm sick to death of the Florida Callahan nominee
"legitimately trying to change his rep," and maturing as their year to
get voted rolls around after having been totally shitty for 3 or 4
years.
Kurt did it
Brodie did it
Now Cole did it
Why not just not be a cheater from the get go? Isn't not being a dick
pretty much always an option? Probably would have had two real good
shots at a trophy and you blew it.
Stop calling travels when you're just tired.
GODAWGS
he must have been ripping peoples head off and crapping in
their throats. if you go watch the SE regional finals
video, it is not too audible, but cole says "yeah right,
bro!" after a georgia player bids for a disc and almost gets
it. check it out for yourself (it's a few seconds after the
embedded time):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQytUyiDSks&feature=player_detailpage#t=1212s
Reggie Fanelli
> were about Cole Sullivan in one way or another until you
> posted this:
>
> "> Cole used to kick foul me so intentionally cheap that I> threatened his life at least twice on the field.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ---wow morphine, that's pretty bad spirit on your part."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
---my commenting on bad spirit for someone wanting to fight COLE....is
hijacking?
you're whack!
Reggie Fanelli
> Notice how you made a post only attacking the spirit of
> Morphine, without saying anything about Cole? In doing so
> you naturally opened yourself up for criticism, since, if
> you hadn't noticed, you're sort of a lightning rod.
> Congrats, you've hijacked another thread and made it at
> least partially about you.
---DLK, Bulbous and Old-n-stupid........you guys.......try to stay on
task here, alright!
what's wrong with you guys!
Reggie Fanelli
---hey smartie.....if you're so smart....please find me a question
that i asked in this thread.
and....let's try to keep this thread on topic.
go Cole!!!
Mike L
Callahan. I don't think that it's all that applicable in
this case, though. I just don't think Cole Sullivan is the
best college player in the country. Great player, of course,
just not the best. Heck, I've seen it suggested elsewhere
that Nathan Sage might actually be Florida's most
indispensable player this year.
KRDonnie
"everybody hates us". I didn't think they had any worse a
rep than the Hodags a few years back. Instead of looking at
why they had started gaining that rep or what parts of their
play and attitude seemed to rub people the wrong way, they
just started saying "Oh it is because everyone hates us."
They blamed everyone else for the fact they were disliked
rather than understanding why it was that way. Everyone
didn't dislike them. Everyone doesn't now. But the number
continues to grow because things don't seem to change, and
it seems like it is mainly because they don't care about
taking responsibility.
Cole is one of the country's top players and maybe the most
valuable (Stubbs and Spiva arguments abound), for the
record.
But I'm ok with the Callahan accounting for spirit. People
are calling it a "popularity contest" and in some ways that
is correct. But there are NO consequences for making bad
calls or showing bad spirit. TMFs, PMFs, sure, but the only
extended consequence I've seen was for the spitting incident
at Club Nationals a few years back (did that Bravo guy who
spiked it on the GOAT guy get punished at all? I didn't
think he did). The only enforcement that exists seems to be
"social justice". This is one of the ways that manifests.
-Donnie
morfin
> I didn't think they had any worse a rep than the Hodags
> a few years back.
Whoa, let's not get ahead of ourselves here.
Pretty sure the only rep the Hodags had a few years back was
that they were going to beat you.. except for Dan of course,
he was going to out-nice you.
DLK
I don't think I'm any of those three things, but I do
appreciate the original compliment.
Oh, ya, something about Cole to keep us on track..he once
gave me a ride from the D-Deck in Sarasota. That was pretty
sweet. Seemed like a cool dude too.
Lindsley was the RC? Poor choice. I blame Julian
Childs-Walker.
--
~DLK~
Stephen
gettin at ya a little. MG is a cool dude. always have
enjoyed hanging with him and pickin his brain about
ultimate. always good to hang and listen to the gurus
because the tips they give are like diamonds falling out of
their pockets. gotta snatch em.
more importantly, i didn't mean any disrespect to the man,
henry callahan. seemed like one awesome dude that would be a
great friend/teammate/opponent. I lost a great
friend/teammate/brother a couple of years ago and always
tragic and frustrating to lose such great people too early
in life. Callahan had a great spirit, and i get the feeling
he would be down for progress in ultimate seeing that he
pushed to make it bigger and better in his day.
if we are gonna believe that folks playing ultimate will do
the right thing when calling their own calls, why can't we
believe that they will do the same when/if there is a
third-party making the calls? Are people that play ultimate
just that much better as persons than those that play reffed
sports? what up with the holier than thou complex? seems
too much like religion to me. the ten things to know about
spirit do resemble the ten commandments. definitely a trip.
when I played at seattle last year at ECC there were active
travels called by the refs and that didn't make me want to
try get away with traveling if possible. didn't even think
about it and play ran much smoother. was quite nice that
there were less travels called in the games we played there.
ulticritic
>
> more importantly, i didn't mean any disrespect to the man,
> henry callahan. seemed like one awesome dude that would be a
> great friend/teammate/opponent.
speaking of which, i wonder what he would think of having his name
attatched to an award that overtly "spirit" centric. i mean, if the
dude was here he could give us the straight dope. maybe he would
actually appreciate a guy with an edge thats savy like cole moreso
than some of the boyscoutish "nice guys" that have been historically
winning this award. it seems to me that people are projecting their
own perverted beliefs of what "spirit" is (or is/was to henry) when
deciding. i know the players on the best ultimate team that ever was
(ny ny) had their own version of what it meant to be "spirited" that
didnt fit the mold of the sz version that the upa/usau shoves down
everyones throats and continuiously propagates. i, personally, never
knew or knew of the dude (henry) but somthing tells me that he was
maybe a little more hardcore than most people want to believe he was.
either way, if the powers that be AND all those teams that vote on
this award, based on its present criteria, persists then it seems the
prudent thing to do is to come up with another award that will single
out the best player that exlemplifies the type of "spirit" the players
for teams like ny ny exlemplified......you know, have TWO mvp
awards......one thats spirit centric and another thats savy centric
AND thats givin out AFTER nationals finals.......so that the most
important games that college players participate in are included in
the decision making process. i mean, couldnt the players on the teams
at nationals take it upon themselves to simply organize a vote for
nationals mvp thats seperate and distinct from the calahan
award......or are teams to lame to organize such an award/vote?
mvuong
Callahan winner, if they so chose to vote for a more
"controversial" player in Cole, they are more than welcome
to. Maybe the fact that a "spirit-centric" player continues
to win that it shows that college players actually care
about spirit? I mean hell, since it is a popularity contest,
the best player with the most impressive video out could win
every year. The Callahan Committee does not eliminate
candidates as far as I can tell for what they think is bad
spirit. So since it is already pretty much up to the college
kids, them voting for a "spirty" fellow rather than just the
best player shows where their priorities lie.
Unless that is, we are arguing that players voting for their
own doesn't show what they really want.
ulticritic
> Since the college kids are the ones that are voting for the
> Callahan winner, if they so chose to vote for a more
> "controversial" player in Cole, they are more than welcome
> to. Maybe the fact that a "spirit-centric" player continues
> to win that it shows that college players actually care
> about spirit?
maybe.......but then again, maybe NOT. MAYBE its just that the AWARD
CRITERIA is so spirit centric........which MAYBE dosent even exlemplfy
what hc was all about.
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I mean hell, since it is a popularity contest,
> the best player with the most impressive video out could win
> every year. The Callahan Committee does not eliminate
> candidates as far as I can tell for what they think is bad
> spirit. So since it is already pretty much up to the college
> kids, them voting for a "spirty" fellow rather than just the
> best player shows where their priorities lie.
which is what i'm sayin.......time to CHANGE the priorities.......and
establishing a new award thats more about pure talent that includes
nationals comp would be a start.
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Brodie
callahan?
mvuong
Brodie
about
ulticritic
i thought each nationals team got 1 vote......or maybe 1 vote per
team. i guess it wouldnt be fair for teams that dont qualify not to
get the opportunity to vote. or are individual plaayers allowed to
vote? anybody know?
either way, the collective teams at nationals this year should take it
upon themselves to do a nationals mvp award (AS THE USAU
ADMINISTRATORS AR OBVIOUSLY TOO SPIRITY TO DO SO) in which each team
is allowed one vote (or 7 and have an all tourny team......in which
the top vote getter wins tourny mvp).......which, imo, would/SHOULD be
much more coveted than that popularity/boyscout award.
but alas, i'm sure players will be too lame and apprehensive to do
such a thing......in that it would taint the calahan award.
pizzapinochle
> i, personally, never
> knew or knew of the dude (henry) but somthing tells me
> that he was
> maybe a little more hardcore than most people want to
> believe he was.
What is this "something" that tells you this?
Reggie Fanelli
> > knew or knew of the dude (henry) but somthing tells me
> > that he was
> > maybe a little more hardcore than most people want to
> > believe he was.
>
> What is this "something" that tells you this?
--Callahan was human, right?
ulticritic
> ulticritic wrote on Mon, 23 May 2011 18:17
>
> > i, personally, never
> > knew or knew of the dude (henry) but somthing tells me
> > that he was
> > maybe a little more hardcore than most people want to
> > believe he was.
>
> What is this "something" that tells you this?
instinct. can anyone that actually knew the dude refute it?
> --
> Posted fromhttp://www.rsdnospam.com
pizzapinochle
> On May 24, 2:30 am, pizzapinochle
>
> > ulticritic wrote on Mon, 23 May 2011 18:17
> >
> > > i, personally, never
> > > knew or knew of the dude (henry) but somthing
> > > tells me
> > > that he was
> > > maybe a little more hardcore than most people
> > > want to
> > > believe he was.
> >
> > What is this "something" that tells you this?
>
> instinct. can anyone that actually knew the dude refute
> it?
> > --
> > Posted fromhttp://www.rsdnospam.com
So...making stuff up and assuming you are right?
ckerr4
> I haven't a clue to be honest. DO you know how many do?
Less than American Idol. More than USAU elections.
Wish every college player voted, but it's typically between
700-1,500 ballots.
Charles
ulticritic
>
> - Show quoted text -
NOPE......making stuff up and KNOWING I AM RIGHT! feel free to prove
me wrong though
mvuong
spirited person and would love the direction this award
originally had and continues to have. I just made that up,
but I know for certain that it is right. Thus, this makes
you wrong, because I know I am right.
Back to discussion: I know that when I was in college, I was
the only guy from my team who voted, but I was also one of
the few guys that kept up with ultimate not happening in our
direct purview. I think that with larger proliferation of
good ultimate related media + more videos of players will
help. Reading a teammate spout hyperboles does not make me
want to vote for them. Seeing a video that I then want to
show my teammates how good I wish they were helps.
Reggie Fanelli
---hey...have you found that question i asked?
i still can't find a question that i asked.
Jed
> Callahan winner, if they so chose to vote for a more
> "controversial" player in Cole, they are more than welcome
> to. Maybe the fact that a "spirit-centric" player continues
> to win that it shows that college players actually care
> about spirit? I mean hell, since it is a popularity contest,
> the best player with the most impressive video out could win
> every year. The Callahan Committee does not eliminate
> candidates as far as I can tell for what they think is bad
> spirit. So since it is already pretty much up to the college
> kids, them voting for a "spirty" fellow rather than just the
> best player shows where their priorities lie.
>
I would say that people would rather vote for "their guy/gal", or
someone popular, than for the person they truly think deserves the
award; and the spirit angle gives them the perfect excuse to do so.
Euh
> Back to discussion: I know that when I was in college, I was
> the only guy from my team who voted, but I was also one of
> the few guys that kept up with ultimate not happening in our
> direct purview. I think that with larger proliferation of
> good ultimate related media + more videos of players will
> help.
Not a lot of footage is freely available. The Ulti-maffia-village
controls everything
Bobus
RobFYT
tiered vote? So you could eliminate some of the effect of
the "I'm gonna vote for my captain cause he's my friend"
guys?
So votes would look like:
1. My super favorite friend/captain (3 points)
2. The best player in Ultimate who I don't have a grudge
against (2 points)
3. The actual best player in Ultimate (1 point)
Part of the problem is the size of the ballot. A ton of guys
get nominated because their team really likes them, even
though they didn't qualify for Regionals. Is it unreasonable
to try and construct a system that filters these guys out of
the country wide vote? Like if they weren't in the top 3
vote getters for 1st team all region or something?
Just spitballing.
-Rob H
--
FYT
RobFYT
Turns out you can vote for your own guy, but only as your
third choice. So, that's a good thing.
I clearly have stepped out of my comfort zone, and apologize
to anyone reading this. I need more to do.