how do you practice laying out?
Nick Gorevic
ones I have a problem with, it's when you're running at full speed I'd
like to work on, but I have no clue to go about it. Any suggestions?
Nick
pete
you can even do this by yourself ... just throw a backhand into the
wind.
no beach? well, you should move. but short of that you can wait until
after a heavy rain and get yerself muddy.
the square or box drill seems to be a great one for laying out too.
just tell the person throwing to you to make you have to bid for it.
here's another one: have a line of people facing one stationary person
about 10 feet away. this guy is facing the line. each person throws
the guy a backhand, then runs off of their throw. the stationary guy
catches the backhand, turns/pivots slightly downfield, and then throws
another backhand further down the field. you're sprinting, and
hopefully you gotta lay out to make the grab. get back in line. do
this over and over. it not only helps lay outs, but also gets you
running as soon as you release your throw.
-pete
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Fetch
When its really rainy go and just lay out. Don't land on your knees
or shoulders. Get some ladies to watch and everyone will go all out.
Fetch- Chick ST
ian
run as fast as you can, and don't slow down
crouch as low to the ground as you can brave (but maintain speed)
when you're ready, lunge outwards (not upwards) to slide along the
ground
useful tips:
tuck your shirt in
keep your eyes open and your mouth shut
allow your chest/belly to recieve the majority of the impact
keep your arms and legs extended and straight (to avoid damage to the
elbows and knees)
don't roll up onto one of your sides or your back
if you lack courage, maybe practice in water first?
it's better when there's a disc in the air to go after, because we all
know that actually catching something makes it all worth it when you
have to stand back up.
good luck,
Ian
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matt broadwell
it into the wind way out ahead of you, then run after it and lay out
just like you would a throw that was too far in front of you. If you
have a thrower have them intentionally lead you too far and try to run
it down and lay out to catch it. We do that for fun at practice
sometimes and it works pretty well.
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Eric
find a nearby body of water (preferably a heated pool if you're in a
wintery part of the world), have some one toss the disc about 10 feet
from the side and lay out for it.
Another fun way is to find a big muddy puddle of water and take turns
throwing leading passes to each other so that you have to lay out in
the mud and guck to get the disc. A variant on this is what we used
to call "the cool game"... find a large puddle and form a circle
around it... kinda like the circle drill but with only one person in
the middle (puddle)... that person starts with their back to the
thrower, turns at the call of "up" and tries to lay-out D the disc...
as soon as the disc is caught by someone on the other side of the
circle they then throw to someone else... person in the middle has to
constantly lay out, spring up, lay out, spring up... tiring but very
fun at the end of practice.
neumas05
about that when talking to people. we just start by running and
diving, you gotta get muddy, and its best to learn then b/c the
grounds not so hard, and you slide. we do the box drill too, and run
aways (run to a cone like, 25 feet away, but cut out to the side then
back in and meet the disc in a box- does that make sense?) those are
good. but avoid your knees, its hard, but think about pushing off the
ground with your feet so you can get those extra inches, and your
knees will follow. its tough, but you cant think about doing it, or
youll pshych yourself out. just stare at that disc till its in your
hands, and do anything to get it there, ya gotta want it.
neumann
(i may not be the best bidder, but weve been having muddy bid
practices, and these tips work for me.)
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Gimpeltf
>keep your eyes open and your mouth shut
Always good advice, Ian.
Gimp
sirshags
to any toy story and pick up a slip and slide or alligator alley.
Those things were designed for nasty ass layouts. Even a tarp will
do.
Have the thrower stand behind and slightly to the side of the
sprinting diver to be. Air one out and hot bids are guaranteed to
follow.
Anyone at the Rutgers' Sno'Ball tourney can attest to how much fun
this can be. During a 15 minute hiatus before the quarter finals a
slip and slide was set up for the sole purpose of a layout
competition. 3 people in, the hose was severed from the tarp
apparatus, and after only a few more someone was wearing it's tattered
remains around his neck. The rest of the contestants resorted to
laying out onto the soggy grass. So maybe they weren't meant for such
abuse, but regardless that was deffinitely one of the highlights to an
absolutely awesome tournament.
If anyone has any pictures from that layout line (I saw a bunch of
cameras), post a link...
cj
Slip n' slide is the all-time best method (clothing optional)
*beginners afraid of hitting the ground: have them start from their
knees. Good to focus on safety---- no elbows in the
ground--stretch it out or beware of dislocated shoulders, broken
collarbones, elbow injuries, rib bruises, ......
a half ass layout hurts
a full ass layout feels gooooooooooood, unexplainably gooooooood.
share the love of the lay,
cj
joe g.
about timing your throws, cus thats not what you want to practice.
you want to practice layouts. so when youre runnin for the disc,
intentionally slow down until you have to go all out to catch up with
it and bid for it. it helps if there are either girls around or
cameras.
http://www.renegadeprovince.com/news/tournaments/2002/2002-10_Taipei/2002-10_Taipei.htm
Mike Gerics
how do you practice laying out?
i shout..."throw the disc to my fucking hands!"
or..."my hands are way up here...not over there."
or..."hit me in the bread basket!"
or..."yew hew...my hands are up here!"
REM
speed (when needed) without even thinking about it.
Ray
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Dave Algoso
> knees. Good to focus on safety---- no elbows in the
> ground--stretch it out or beware of dislocated shoulders, broken
> collarbones, elbow injuries, rib bruises, ......
This was the best, and perhaps the only good, advice posted. The
reason why so many people have a mental block is that they're afraid
of getting injured, and throwing yourself at a disc doesn't hurt. It's
landing that hurts, so in order to overcome the mental block you need
to be confident that your body will figure out how to land; then you
can just worry about the disc.
Go for a run on a wet day, so your body is warm and loose. Find a
grassy spot and start by lying flat on your chest, arms stretched out,
fingers to the sky, palms away. Go to this position from your knees a
half dozen times, then from a crouch, then from leaning slightly over,
then take a step or two. You should always end in the same position.
I messed up my shoulder my first month playing being I jammed an elbow
into the ground laying out. Much later, I found a description of
basically the above method (I don't claim it's original) on the web,
followed it a couple times, and now I lay out for more discs even
during drills than anyone on my team and I've never been hurt doing
it*. You too can experience this kind of success.
Wang
* okay, so there was that concussion against wake forest at 1st Wave,
but the lesson there is simply to not layout directly into someone.
Jeremy Wallace
> the mud and guck to get the disc. A variant on this is what we used
> to call "the cool game"... find a large puddle and form a circle
> around it... kinda like the circle drill but with only one person in
> the middle (puddle)... that person starts with their back to the
> thrower, turns at the call of "up" and tries to lay-out D the disc...
> as soon as the disc is caught by someone on the other side of the
> circle they then throw to someone else... person in the middle has to
> constantly lay out, spring up, lay out, spring up... tiring but very
> fun at the end of practice.
Huh. What I always called the cool game was similar, but a bunch of
the people in the circle had discs. One person throws a leading pass
to the person in the middle. As soon as you catch it, just flip it to
the person in the circle you're nearest to, as there will be another
leading pass coming from someone else in the circle. Eventually, the
pass will lead you too much, and you'll have to lay out for it. Three
layout catches and you're out of the circle.
Pynchon
Tim Sullivan
here's a drill that emphasizes not just laying out, but body control
so you're not just jumping into people-it's more defensive minded-
d and receiver start next to each other and about ten yards parallel
to thrower- d is on inside, receiver on outside-ten yards in front of
them you have a plastic cone-when thrower says go, d and receiver take
off at same time-at the cone, d player reaches down and touches it,
while receiver makes a 90 degree cut (it's like running an "in" route
in football)-anyway, by reaching down to touch the cone, the d should
be just a step behind, so when the disc is in the air, he has to lay
out to get the D, while also being conscious of not just jumping into
the receiver. Also, the receiver and defensive player should be about
the same speed.
A slip and slide, though, is a good place to start.
tim
James Loberg
it's not nice to frighten the taiwanese, joe.
matt tsang
"Dave Algoso" <da...@virginia.edu> wrote in message
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> > *beginners afraid of hitting the ground: have them start from their
> > knees. Good to focus on safety---- no elbows in the
> > ground--stretch it out or beware of dislocated shoulders, broken
> > collarbones, elbow injuries, rib bruises, ......
>
> This was the best, and perhaps the only good, advice posted. The
> reason why so many people have a mental block is that they're afraid
> of getting injured, and throwing yourself at a disc doesn't hurt. It's
> landing that hurts, so in order to overcome the mental block you need
> to be confident that your body will figure out how to land; then you
> can just worry about the disc.
>
have been because of this amazing woman!
Daffyspond
sport? Longer than Football... vollyball. I bet there's TONS of baseball
training vidoes out there giving perfect instruction. In general, I think most
Ultimate players ignore other sports. There's alot of things, like layin' out,
that older sports have perfected, taught and refined for more years than
Ultimate has even existed. Look around U disc-bros. The answers are everywhere.
Peace,
Uncle Hymie
Seacow97
>other
>sport?
Baseball? yeah there is a layout, about 1 20 games. But who can even make
through 1 game of baseball, I would fall asleep, it's so boring
Grizzant
A few ways that I have learned or taught other how to lay out:
go to a lake or somewhere with a dock and have someone throw a disc
out in front of you as you run and lay out off the dock.
Wait for a rainy day and practice laying out, constantly, even without
a frisbee. Most of the problem for most people is learning how to
land. Once you understand that laying out won't hurt most of the time
as long as you have
correct form.
Go to an indoor track and find a pole vaulting mat. Caution:
Sometimes these mats can have a surface that will seriously scrape up
your elbows and knees, so wear long sleeves and pants. The reason for
using a pole vaulting mat is because there is no way that you can hurt
yourself when you land on one. Also, it encourages you to get
horizontal about 3ft of the ground because if you don't then your
knees will hit the mat. I think this is the best way to learn because
it encourages seriously sick ass layouts, and is discourages those
puss ass layouts where your knees hit the ground before your chest and
you only get about 4 inches off the ground.
Mike Gerics
if you don't do all that you can to grab it...
someone else is gonna take it and eat it.
wollongong steve
Dave
it....
Dave S
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JD
So basically you intend for everything to hit the ground at once??
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luke smith
I expect that the pass hit me in the gut, and that mine do the same.
there is a nice outside magazine article about a guy associated w/
some tennis camp in florida (yes, that tennis camp) who trains
'athleticism'. The salient point was that as he trains these
future/hopeful nba/nfl types is that you should learn to make 'nba'
type plays every time you have to.
But that a team ensures that you seldom have to make 'nba' type plays.
I.E., get the ball dog, and make sure you don't end up 'owing favors'
on the receiving end. But by gawd... GET THE BALL.
PS. Hard to type w/ the tape on my finger... another skiing injury.
I don't think that it will keep me from throwing turnovers. Long
ones.
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Bevers
> using a pole vaulting mat is because there is no way that you can hurt
> yourself when you land on one.
Ummmmmm,
I seriously disagree with that statement. Ever dislocate your
shoulder, I have a few times.
Bevers
cletus
Sonics' game last week? I've seen any number of guys go to the floor
to scramble for a ball, but Mason's full out, full extension,
waist-high lay out on hardwood was such a beautiful thing. He
literally flew past another player and caught the ball in both hands,
then flipped a pass for a fastbreak layup. Maybe when Gary Payton
retires Seattle will have another complete badass to take his place
after all.
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JD
trying to have your body hit the floor together, or is it feet first,
chest first....??
Thanks.
Grizzant
much better than if you landed say.... knees first. That is
definitely ideal but there is almost always going to be some part of
your body that lands first so here are some suggestions.
For a guy I think you should try to lead with your chest:
1. You won't crush your balls if you land chest first
2. Men are built with a sturdy chest, so you might as well use it
For women:
1. Lead with your hips and abdomen so you avoid smashing your chest
2. Most women are built with solid child bearing hips that will absorb
the initial contact nicely.
In reality, or game situations, all the theories in the world cant
help you unless you want the disk more that a crack head wants his
next hit. Sometimes you are going to awkwardly have to lay out on
certain plays and it is going to hurt when you land.... but I will
guarantee that you won't feel the pain as badly if you make the play.
Plus when you get off the field after making an ill ass play you will
be showered with praise, naked women will fawn over you, and riches
beyond your wildest dreams will be yours.
The worst that ever usually happens from an awkward layout is getting
the wind nocked out of you
BTW, The faster you are moving the less it will hurt as long as you
stay as flat to the ground as possible and dont curl up into the fetal
position.
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jthib
Don't listen to this guy either. He's an even bigger pussy.
jthib
> The worst that ever usually happens from an awkward layout is getting
> the wind nocked out of you
>
> BTW, The faster you are moving the less it will hurt as long as you
> stay as flat to the ground as possible and dont curl up into the fetal
> position.
>
Don't listen to this guy. I know him. He's a big pussy.
Bevers
JD
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> Did you say floor?
Juniper
out. There is a brief clip of her teaching it on my web site. The entire
drill is available on the video title "Beyond the Stack". Short of that,
type "Anja Haman lay out drill" into google and you'll probably find
something.
Cheers,
Craig
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Grizzant
everybody knows that. Second, I have never seen you THIB lay out
without your knees touching the ground first. Third, you lay out more
gratuitously then Nate. Fourth, I taught you everything you
know.....so bow down beeotch.
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