What's a scoober?
Tenbroeck Smith
I found the whole airbounce thing so entertaining I just had to post
this. I'm pretty sure there are regional differences regarding the
throw that scoober describes, so list your region if you post. I'm an
SE used to be an MA.
I've heard scoober used to refer to two different throws. 1) A throw
held like a hammer but released from the same place as a high release
back hand. 2) A throw held like a backhand, but starting behind the
shoulder, attached to the arm, holding the disk, and thrown in an upward
motion.
Throw 1. Difficult to throw, but very useful in ultimate.
Throw 2. Difficult to throw, and I know a couple of guys who use it
well in ultimate.
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M.J.
A scoober would be 'your' #1.....and being in the SE you have probably
heard the throw called the 'Hiawatha'.
Regards,
M.J. - a former SE...now in never-never land.
Tenbroeck Smith <tsm...@emory.edu> wrote...
chr...@grin.net
M.J. wrote:
>
> A scoober would be 'your' #1.....and being in the SE you have probably
> heard the throw called the 'Hiawatha'.
>
a lefty hammer.
and yes #1 is called the Hiawatha, although no one out here in the NW
seems to agree with me.
So if you call #1 a scoober what is #2. (Don't say nothing or beach
throw, since some have been using it succesfully for years)
> Tenbroeck Smith <tsm...@emory.edu> wrote...
> > I've heard scoober used to refer to two different throws. 1) A throw
> > held like a hammer but released from the same place as a high release
> > back hand. 2) A throw held like a backhand, but starting behind the
> > shoulder, attached to the arm, holding the disk, and thrown in an upward
> > motion.
wood
Conrad Damon
Tenbroeck Smith wrote:
> I've heard scoober used to refer to two different throws. 1) A throw
> held like a hammer but released from the same place as a high release
> back hand. 2) A throw held like a backhand, but starting behind the
> shoulder, attached to the arm, holding the disk, and thrown in an upward
> motion.
>
> Throw 1. Difficult to throw, but very useful in ultimate.
>
> Throw 2. Difficult to throw, and I know a couple of guys who use it
> well in ultimate.
As a DDC player/golfer, scoober's always been #2 to me: backhand grip,
disc vertical above throwing shoulder with flight plate facing out,
flies the opposite of a hammer. Handy for burns in DDC and donutty
rollers in golf.
Conrad "The Supinator, starring Arnold S, out this spring"
Cliff Towne
#2 below is actually a scoober. The right-hand throw would begin behind
your right ear and be released almost vertically. Cliff
M.J. <mjoh...@sram.com> wrote in article
<01bd1c8b$d4f379c0$6130...@mjohnson.sramnet.com>...
> A scoober would be 'your' #1.....and being in the SE you have probably
> heard the throw called the 'Hiawatha'.
>
> Regards,
> M.J. - a former SE...now in never-never land.
>
> Tenbroeck Smith <tsm...@emory.edu> wrote...
Tenbroeck Smith
chr...@grin.net wrote:
>
> Having learned to play in the MA, a scoober would be #2 which flies like
> a lefty hammer.
>
> and yes #1 is called the Hiawatha, although no one out here in the NW
> seems to agree with me.
>
> > > I've heard scoober used to refer to two different throws. 1) A throw
> > > held like a hammer but released from the same place as a high release
> > > back hand. 2) A throw held like a backhand, but starting behind the
> > > shoulder, attached to the arm, holding the disk, and thrown in an upward
> > > motion.
Alright Chris, tell it like it is. It's been so long since I've heard
#1 refferred to as a Hiawatha that I'd forgotten. I agree with my
fellow MidAtlantic spawn on this naming convention.
What do the NW folk call a Hiawatha (#1)?
Seems a shame that we'll never know where these names came from.
Elliot
In Calgary the scoober is the #1. This throw is excellent for long pulls, and
short give-and-go's as well.
Mike Belchik
In humboldt ultimate, a scoober is #1, a high backhanded "hammer". NW
rules!!!
Mike Belchik
retired ulty airbouncing scoober folfer
Tenbroeck Smith <tsm...@emory.edu> wrote:
>I found the whole airbounce thing so entertaining I just had to post
>this. I'm pretty sure there are regional differences regarding the
>throw that scoober describes, so list your region if you post. I'm an
>SE used to be an MA.
>
>I've heard scoober used to refer to two different throws. 1) A throw
>held like a hammer but released from the same place as a high release
>back hand. 2) A throw held like a backhand, but starting behind the
>shoulder, attached to the arm, holding the disk, and thrown in an upward
>motion.
>
>Throw 1. Difficult to throw, but very useful in ultimate.
>
>Throw 2. Difficult to throw, and I know a couple of guys who use it
>well in ultimate.
Han S Kim
Acutally both definiation's bother me =)
THe way I learned a scoober was taking the disk, HOLDING it BACKWARDS,
that is flat side down grip up (opposite being a normal backhand flatside
up and grip down), throwing the disc at about a 45 degree angle like a
high backhand, and it flys like a low flying straight non arched hammer.
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chr...@grin.net
> > 1) A throw held
> > like a hammer but released from the same place as a high release back hand.
> > 2) A throw held like a backhand, but starting behind the shoulder, attached
> > to the arm, holding the disk, and thrown in an upward motion.
Elliot wrote:
>
> In Calgary the scoober is the #1. This throw is excellent for long pulls, and
> short give-and-go's as well.
I am wondering who can throw this for a long pull . . . I have seen the
Hiawatha (#1) used for breaking the mark or short give and gos, but not
gor more then 20-30 yards (and that's pushing it). I have seen people
throw the Scoober (#2) full field for pulling and otherwise.
Han S Kim wrote:
>THe way I learned a scoober was taking the disk, HOLDING it BACKWARDS,
>that is flat side down grip up (opposite being a normal backhand
>flatside up and grip down), throwing the disc at about a 45 degree
>angle like a high backhand, and it flys like a low flying straight non
>arched hammer.
I think that this is the same description as #1, that is unless your
thumb is on top of the disc (over the rim). When you say HOLDING it
BACKWARDS . . .grip up" you mean with a flick or hammer grip vs. a
backhand grip, right? People do throw the disc upside down also . . .
Mike Belchik wrote:
>In humboldt ultimate, a scoober is #1, a high backhanded "hammer". NW
>rules!!!
and if #1 is the scoober, what would #2 be?
And speaking of the NW ruling, when was the last time a team from the
NW won Nationals. Now I know World's is a big deal and all, but I think
the best teams win Nationals. (US) Maybe its because they don't even
know the names of all the throws . . .
w
Chris Van Holmes
Like the clam, many claim its origin.
Are we looking for a time sequence of names for this throw?
I learned the scoober as the backhanded grip flies like a lefty hammer
throw back in 1980 when Mike Yonda was throwing it the length of the
field.
I've always railed at the NW calling that flipper thing a
scoober since I moved out here. Shoot, the oldest buildings out here
are only 100 years old!
CVH
Mike Belchik
chr...@grin.net wrote:
>Mike Belchik wrote:
>
>>In humboldt ultimate, a scoober is #1, a high backhanded "hammer". NW
>>rules!!!
>
>and if #1 is the scoober, what would #2 be?
>
>And speaking of the NW ruling, when was the last time a team from the
>NW won Nationals. Now I know World's is a big deal and all, but I think
>the best teams win Nationals. (US) Maybe its because they don't even
>know the names of all the throws . . .
>
>
>w
Hell, I don't know, I TOLD you I'm retired. The NW rules just because
because...because I think so, and I'm the final arbiter of what rules. As
far as knowing the names for throws, well, so what, bite me. I've been
playing disc for over 25 years, and never heard a consistent name here for
that. We've also called the scoober (#1 version) a "farmer John", but I
don't know why.
Mike "yer so ignernt" Belchik (the freewheeling airbounce scoobying
retired ulty turned folfer)
PS: preceding comments meant in jest, don't actually attempt to bite me.
hatch
Mike Belchik (mbel...@reninet.com) wrote:
: that. We've also called the scoober (#1 version) a "farmer John", but I
: don't know why.
I vote "farmer john" wins. I always thought is was called a "don't throw
that", though.
In the SW, the scoober or farmer john or don't throw that is the throw
held like a forehand and flipped starting over the left shoulder (for
righties). Never saw anyone use the throw held like a backhand thrown
starting over the right shoulder (righties again). Simon might use it,
but he throws a lot of things that I can't figure out how he threw.
: Mike "yer so ignernt" Belchik (the freewheeling airbounce scoobying
: retired ulty turned folfer)
:
: PS: preceding comments meant in jest, don't actually attempt to bite me.
So is it really a farmer john?
Mister
Tenbroeck Smith wrote:
> Seems a shame that we'll never know where these names came from.
Actually, I think we can find out where the name 'scoober' came from.
And it is #2 that describes it.
The subject came up once before since most Ultimate players, much to my
irritation, call #1 a scoober. I consulted with Dan Roddick about the name.
Although I now can't find his reply, I believe he stated that 'scoober' actually
originated as a nickname of a player from Rutgers in the early '70s, and was soon
attached to a unique throw (#2) that he had at the time.
Perhaps we need to send the Stork an e-mail to find out...
Anyone out there from the late '60s or early '70s to confirm this?
schiller
Danielsf2
In article <34B54A...@emory.edu>, Tenbroeck Smith <tsm...@emory.edu>
writes:
>
>I've heard scoober used to refer to two different throws. 1) A throw
>held like a hammer but released from the same place as a high release
>back hand. 2) A throw held like a backhand, but starting behind the
>shoulder, attached to the arm, holding the disk, and thrown in an upward
>motion.
I've only heard scoober mean #1 above. #2 I've never heard named, but some
Chain Lightning guy used it a lot against zones, and Jose Montalvo from Windy
used to throw it about 50 yards downfield to Mike O'Dowd (before Mike gave up
all motion on the field) for the fun of watching defenders run around in
circles because they couldn't read the damn thing. Jose used to do demos all
around the midwest and some of the Windy guys claimed he could stand at the
free throw line and drop 3 of 4 into the opposite basket. Pretty amazing; I
think it would only take 3 or 4 of those throws to separate my forearm from my
upper arm.....
Mike Daniels
scoobers are useful?
Chris Brooks
Danielsf2 wrote:
> In article <34B54A...@emory.edu>, Tenbroeck Smith
> <tsm...@emory.edu>
> writes:
>
> >
> >I've heard scoober used to refer to two different throws. 1) A throw
>
> >held like a hammer but released from the same place as a high release
>
> >back hand. 2) A throw held like a backhand, but starting behind the
> >shoulder, attached to the arm, holding the disk, and thrown in an
> upward
> >motion.
>
> <snip>
> scoobers are useful?
I played with a guy early in my career (Don Eibsen) who could throw a
scoober into a strong wind, accurately and for long distances. It seemed
more stable than any other against the wind throw I've seen. I believe
that he used style #2 since the grip starts like a backhand. He used to
destroy zones cuz it takes a while for a cup to pick up on this kind of
throw - they just don't "get it". I saw multiple zones give up and go
to man because of this (good ones too). Like any throw, it has a time
and a place, like (eg.) an "inverted flick-high backhand release" or a
push pass.
"Captain"
aka Chris Brooks
Mister
Danielsf2 wrote:
> In article <34B54A...@emory.edu>, Tenbroeck Smith
<tsm...@emory.edu>
> writes:
>
> >
> >I've heard scoober used to refer to two different throws. 1) A throw
> >held like a hammer but released from the same place as a high release
> >back hand. 2) A throw held like a backhand, but starting behind the
> >shoulder, attached to the arm, holding the disk, and thrown in an
upward
> >motion.
>
> I've only heard scoober mean #1 above. #2 I've never heard named, but
some
> Chain Lightning guy used it a lot against zones, and Jose Montalvo
from Windy
> used to throw it about 50 yards downfield to Mike O'Dowd (before Mike
gave up
> all motion on the field) for the fun of watching defenders run around
in
> circles because they couldn't read the damn thing. Jose used to do
demos all
> around the midwest and some of the Windy guys claimed he could stand
at the
> free throw line and drop 3 of 4 into the opposite basket. Pretty
amazing; I
> think it would only take 3 or 4 of those throws to separate my forearm
from my
> upper arm.....
>
> Mike Daniels
>
> scoobers are useful?
Jose would call #2 a scoober. He and Chau Rautman (sp?) used to do demos
for the
Aces out of Chicago. Traveling with them for 4 demos in Colorado many
years ago,
Jose would throw baskets from the opposite free throw line and make
better than
50%.
The scoober (#2) is used heavily in DDC. Many do claim it hurts their
elbow or
shoulder significantly. For me, it is one of the more natural feeling
throws I
have. I tend to alter the grip slightly and put it on the outside of my
arm, as
opposed to freestylers who cock it on the inside to achieve more spin
with less
velocity. If you take a normal backhand grip, turn the skip side of the
disc
skyward, roll up your arm with the disc on the outside, the scoober is
nothing
more than unrolling your arm rapidly and releasing the disc at a
vertical angle.
Planting the opposite foot forward will give you more torque at the
waist and
enough power to throw the length of the field. It is also a very
accurate throw.
In Ultimate, it is an excellent throw to break zones or beat a sideline
trap.
However, if the defender is looking for it, it can be easily blocked.
John 'Please, #1 is not a scoober' Schiller
Jymeo
#2 is the original scoober. #1 is what some call a flipper, although most
people do incorrectly call it a "scoober."
Like CVH, I first encountered the #2 scoober around 1980 and saw it thrown for
power and distance, although typically not in competition. This was in the NE.
The flipper, I believe, is a west coast invention. I think it was developed
(in the sense of becoming a popular, useful throw) in response to the force
middle defense for breaking the mark close in. Believe it or not, the force
middle defense did not exist in the 1970's (again, if it did, rarely). Defense
was either straight up or trap. And by trap, I mean you put the trap on when
the disc is close to the sideline. It was not the "force one way" d so
commonly used today. This was true even in 1980.
The other use for the flipper was for zone breaking. Again, an east-west
point: east teams used tons of zone, west teams did not. And east-west play
was almost non-existent prior to 1980. No east teams went to boulder, even.
Nationals was only 5 teams. But when east-west cross-fertilization ramped up
(including figuring out how to beat the 'Boro), so did the usefulness of the
flipper for beating zones.
I think the westerners were not that aware that the scoober name was already
taken, and the usage just spread. But by claim of eariler use, the backhand
grip scoober owns the name.
By the way, I know one ultimate player who, in honor of this very debate we
were in about three years ago, named his two kittens flipper and scoober. I
think scoober is the older, althogh he loves them both dearly.
Love, Jimmy O
chr...@grin.net
Mister wrote:
> I consulted with Dan Roddick about the name.
> Although I now can't find his reply, I believe he stated that 'scoober' actually
> originated as a nickname of a player from Rutgers in the early '70s, and was soon
> attached to a unique throw (#2) that he had at the time.
>
> Perhaps we need to send the Stork an e-mail to find out...
>
> Anyone out there from the late '60s or early '70s to confirm this?
Yes this would be interesting to know.
Also, Mo says that another name for the Scoober is the chicken wing.
w
Jaime Town
> > > I've heard scoober used to refer to two different throws. 1) A throw
> > > held like a hammer but released from the same place as a high release
> > > back hand. 2) A throw held like a backhand, but starting behind the
> > > shoulder, attached to the arm, holding the disk, and thrown in an
> upward
> > > motion.
i agree with the designation of #2 being a 'scoober'. we (in san diego)
call #1 a 'gag'. a pretty appropriate name considering what you want to
do if someone throws it in a high wind/low percentage situation....
jaime town
Tom Coffin
yeah - I remember the Condors came to the Ulti affair
and they were throwing this flipper throw - then when
we (the Cruzaders) played them in the semis, our pregame
hype (for the forwards in the zone) was to jump on that
flipper pass. First play of the game we slapped our
zone and the first pass was that flipper throw which
we stuffed! I think they only threw it once or twice
the rest of the game...
___________________________
On 12 Jan 1998, Jymeo wrote:
...
> The other use for the flipper was for zone breaking. Again, an east-west
> point: east teams used tons of zone, west teams did not. And east-west play
> was almost non-existent prior to 1980. No east teams went to boulder, even.
> Nationals was only 5 teams. But when east-west cross-fertilization ramped up
> (including figuring out how to beat the 'Boro), so did the usefulness of the
> flipper for beating zones.
>
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James Parinella
Here in Boston, we call #1 the "If you throw that throw again, you'll
never play in this town again."
JP
Elliot
Maybe the folks in Baston don't know how to throw the #1 properly.
Paul Sackley
that must be why there's no good ultimate in boston...
Elliot <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in article
<34BCF498...@nospam.com>...
Kathleen Curry
Buzz from Twister DOES!!!
Mo55Mo
the "chiken wing" #2 is a great counter clockwise upside down freestyle throw -
i've seen it thrown long in ulti too -
this is the real scoober.
#1 - "the 'Gags'" (not gag) (also called scoober by youngsters)
is named after Rich "Gags" Gallagher - former Condor and Iguana fame (so he
says - as i remember...)
Mo
Pete McCabe
> >> > > I've heard scoober used to refer to two different throws. 1) A throw
> >> > > held like a hammer but released from the same place as a high release
> >> > > back hand. 2) A throw held like a backhand, but starting behind the
> >> > > shoulder, attached to the arm, holding the disk, and thrown in an
> >> upward
> >> > > motion.
> #1 - "the 'Gags'" (not gag) (also called scoober by youngsters)
> is named after Rich "Gags" Gallagher
When I played with Rich Gallagher he called #1 "the Gag" (no "s"). Since
Rich was the first to use this throw seriously, I tend to take his word
for it.
And I do mean seriously. Rich would think nothing of throwing the gag 40
yards across the field against the zone.
Jim Parinella adds:
> Here in Boston, we call #1 the "If you throw that throw again, you'll
> never play in this town again."
This must be why Boston, despite ruling the world of Ultimate for the past
few years, still lags behind San Diego in the infinitely more important
game of Goaltimate. You just can't play top-level Goaltimate without being
able to throw the Gag.
Pete McCabe
--Pete McCabe
Quill Communications Inc.
Aaron C.
I've been following this thread, and have a question. For those of you
familiar with the "wheel of death," popularized by Jesse Davidson (Yale
alum, currently playing with Ring), is this thrown/known by any other name
anywhere else in the world? Is it the same as a "chicken wing?" (See
below) I wish I knew how to describe it, but the throw simply defies
description. Maybe Nate can find the words. Help me out here, eh?
Another question: in one of my first times playing, in the Toronto Summer
League, circa '89 or '90, John "JB" Blakely (who held a distance record
for awhile, broke my mark by throwing a backhand behind his back for about
60 yards to the corner. What's the name for this throw?
Goofy.
In article <19980114194...@ladder01.news.aol.com> mo5...@aol.com (Mo55Mo) writes:
>the "chiken wing" #2 is a great counter clockwise upside down freestyle throw -
>i've seen it thrown long in ulti too -
>this is the real scoober.
>
>#1 - "the 'Gags'" (not gag) (also called scoober by youngsters)
>is named after Rich "Gags" Gallagher - former Condor and Iguana fame (so he
>says - as i remember...)
>
>Mo
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thats cause Buzz does everything properly
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Jymeo
well goofy, its a "behind the backhand"
Jimmy O
OaksTravel
Chris,
It seems the oldest buildings in the west coast date back to the late 1700's.
As for scoobers, in my area, they are an upside down flick..
Scooby dooo! Happy New Year!
Chas.
Mo55Mo
hey dude -
just saw your post on the rec.sport
scene and wanted to say how-do -
happy new year -
greetings from santa cruz
Mo
Jmar33
I myself could never properly throw a scoober. But a good friend of mine in
college could throw it the length ofthe field at a relatively constant altitude
great for pulls
Thomas F. Monroe
The Chicken Wing is the under arm delivery. Actually, that grip is the
beginning of the Scoober. Hold the underarm out in front of yourself. (
backhand grip). Then bring your arm up to the shoulder and throw from that
high point. The disc must be released vertically or upside down.
This throw gained notice in DDC as it is a killer shot when thrown
correctly. Upside down backspin that just digs into the grass.
Chris Van Holmes
I think this settles it! If Tom Monroe says the upside-down throw with
the bach-hand grip is the scoober then it is. Who else has the
credentials and experience to argue?
CVH
TBranch773
Danielsf2
In article <wgyb0gb...@binkley.cqs.washington.edu>, Chris Van Holmes
<c...@binkley.cqs.washington.edu> writes:
>
>
>I think this settles it! If Tom Monroe says the upside-down throw with
>the bach-hand grip is the scoober then it is. Who else has the
>credentials and experience to argue?
>
>CVH
>
>
Well if that's a scoober, please help me complete the following sentence to a
teammate: "You idiot, stop throwing that stupid ______ and throw a backhand
instead!" when they throw that two finger grip upside down POS off the backhand
side of their bodies. Sort of a neck high hammer, if that makes any sense.
Mike Daniels
This debate has totally messed up my heckling game
Tenbroeck Smith
Call it a "flipper."
I like that one best.
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Dylan Righi
Danielsf2 wrote:
>
> In article <wgyb0gb...@binkley.cqs.washington.edu>, Chris Van Holmes
> <c...@binkley.cqs.washington.edu> writes:
>
> >I think this settles it! If Tom Monroe says the upside-down throw with
> >the bach-hand grip is the scoober then it is. Who else has the
> >credentials and experience to argue?
> >
> >CVH
>
> Well if that's a scoober, please help me complete the following sentence to a
> teammate: "You idiot, stop throwing that stupid ______ and throw a backhand
> instead!" when they throw that two finger grip upside down POS off the backhand
> side of their bodies. Sort of a neck high hammer, if that makes any sense.
>
> Mike Daniels
> This debate has totally messed up my heckling game
With the goal of propping up the hecklers I have a proposal:
Call the throw Mike is wondering about above a "scoobie". Change the
name of the thumber to a "scuba". A push pass could be a "scoob".
What else...I've got "scoobu" left for some other flashy, questionable
throw that any respectable heckler just has to heckle. The result is
that the hecklers can just shout "You idiot, stop throwing that stupid
scoob___ ..." and be assured of sounding like he knows what he is
talking about.
The verb would be "scoobing": i.e. "Stop scoobing, and throw a backhand
you showboater!!!!"
All in the interest of responsible heckling.
--dylan (who has never throw a scoober, but has been known to scoob)
--
Alexander Hsi pu Feng
hiawatha
Danielsf2 (dani...@aol.com) wrote:
: In article <wgyb0gb...@binkley.cqs.washington.edu>, Chris Van Holmes
: <c...@binkley.cqs.washington.edu> writes:
: >
: >
: >I think this settles it! If Tom Monroe says the upside-down throw with
: >the bach-hand grip is the scoober then it is. Who else has the
: >credentials and experience to argue?
: >
: >CVH
: >
: >
: Well if that's a scoober, please help me complete the following sentence to a
: teammate: "You idiot, stop throwing that stupid ______ and throw a backhand
: instead!" when they throw that two finger grip upside down POS off the backhand
: side of their bodies. Sort of a neck high hammer, if that makes any sense.
: Mike Daniels
: This debate has totally messed up my heckling game
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Tenbroeck Smith
Oh yeah, that's it, "hiawatha."
Alexander Hsi pu Feng wrote:
>
> hiawatha
>
> Danielsf2 (dani...@aol.com) wrote:
> : >
> : >I think this settles it! If Tom Monroe says the upside-down throw with
> : >the bach-hand grip is the scoober then it is. Who else has the
> : >credentials and experience to argue?
>
Pete McCabe
In article <19980123010...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
dani...@aol.com (Danielsf2) wrote:
> Well if that's a scoober, please help me complete the following sentence to a
> teammate: "You idiot, stop throwing that stupid ______ and throw a backhand
> instead!" when they throw that two finger grip upside down POS off the
backhand
> side of their bodies. Sort of a neck high hammer, if that makes any sense.
It's called the "Gag." I believe this has been covered.
One ultimate player's POS is another goaltimate player's treasure.
--
Pete McCabe
Quill Communications Inc.
Jymeo
A couple of long threads have been running re a variety of junk throws re such
issues as what are their names and how do we throw them. Someone finally said
"why aren't we heckling more?"
And I agree. Too little has been said in NUA, Nortel and at the venerable UPA
about this critical subject.
All the talk about the heritage, mechanics and usefulness of these inane
throws has overlooked a grave danger: the possible extinction of the grand
tradition of heckling. For all you newer players, these throws are of no use
to anybody unless they promote heckling
My definition of the HECKLE: , the playful and loving insulting of people
caught in the act of some foolishness, which heckle must contain a strong
kernal of the truth, and which ideally provokes both laughter in the crowd and
a flickering moment of self-dobut and humility in its otherwise brazen target..
Few, if any, players on top teams in competitive teams would ever attempt any
of those intriguing show boat throws in game situations - except the flipper,
flipper, king of the fluff throws. And for all the other discussed throws,
stakers, stammers, thumbers, scoobers, rags, etc, one should probably be
benched for even thinking about throwing them. If its not a backhand, flick or
hammer, it is probably a needlessly risky throw. But we are not the captain.
What is left for us to do?
1. The "swing batta batta swing " rule
I propose that in the next rules of ultimate, maybe even in the Noveau Grand
Prix series, it should be mandatory to heckle anyone throwing any of these
throws, regardless of their proficiency.
We could be more like little league baseeball. you know the old pepper: "no
batta no batta, can't hit can't run can field, swing batta batta, swing"
except ours could be "no flick, no backhand no hamma, junk, throwa throwa,
scoob, throwa throwa" This would get the sidelines involved, since they won't
call "up" or do other useful things anyway. We need more color in this game.
We need to be concerned about the retirement of many hall of famed hecklers
without proper training of new ones. Stop the academic discourse! Turn up the
heat! Bring the crowd back into the game! let's actively encourage bizare
throws - try to override the free will of the thrower - test their ability to
act with restraint. More peer pressure to be a flake, I say. More!
2. The "Clear the Bench" Rule
And while we're at it, I propose that we make a five yard line that is five
yards onto the playing field. Spectators are entitled into this heckling zone
only if they are actively heckling play. They would be responsible to get out
of the way so they do not physically impede play, but psychologically, they
must be subversive. Anyone on the field of play must create added enjoyment
for the spectators, and not merely be blocking views and getting in the
players' way.
Remember, ultimate does not build characters, it reveals them.
Jimmy O'miss it noonan, miss it
(yea, i'm talkin to you)