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Anakin Jacobs
May 25, 2013, 6:29:34 PM5/25/13
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At college nationals, in the program guide, there's a little
blurb in the daily directing athletes and their families to
something interesting after the action at the fields
concludes. It reads:
Quote:
> After the action concludes at Reddan, head down to the
> World's Largest Brat Fest, an annual tradition in Madison.
> Enjoy some great brats, hot dogs and veggie brats, and if
> you have a few extra bucks, you can get a beverage, local
> ice cream or a funnel cake. Proceeds go to local
> charities! To get to the Brat Fest take the Beltline
> (Highway 12/18) east and exit at John Nolan Drive. You
> can't miss it.
So on Friday night, when a great AUDL game between Madison
and Minnesota was being played in a very cool stadium
downtown, USA Ultimate, the presumed governing body for the
sport in the country and an organization charged with
helping to grow the sport and expose new eyeballs to it,
decided to publicize a fat-ass Sconny sausage fest
(literally, a sausage fest).
I spotted some of the USAU honchos surveying the fields on
Friday. Wow, they're a grim lot. With their walkie-talkies
and official-looking lanyards, they crossed their arms and
were likely proud of the collection of fields full of
athletes in front of them. Nowhere to be found, however,
were basic sporting essentials such as electronic
scoreboards, bleachers (save for the so-called showcase
field) or even an indication of which teams were playing on
those fields. Casual fans have no idea who Mamabird is. Why
is college nationals essentially the same in terms of
organization and ammenities as any other big tournament (if
not falling behind)?
I know the politics of ultimate is discussed ad nauseum on
this board, and it's done mostly by lifer disc heads with
little or no grasp on how a fan might encounter the game.
But I can tell you that the AUDL has, in a very short time,
overcome many of the obstacles the USAU is creating for
itself every day. But apparently the USAU can't admit to
themselves that they're literally not the only game in town.
Wouldn't want to let college players know that there's an
elite game happening... they might end up going! And
enjoying it! And buying merchandise! Or worse... they might
want to start teams of their own and help grow a league that
doesn't rely on the players paying for every damn thing
themselves! And wouldn't that be a tragedy?
--
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blurb in the daily directing athletes and their families to
something interesting after the action at the fields
concludes. It reads:
Quote:
> After the action concludes at Reddan, head down to the
> World's Largest Brat Fest, an annual tradition in Madison.
> Enjoy some great brats, hot dogs and veggie brats, and if
> you have a few extra bucks, you can get a beverage, local
> ice cream or a funnel cake. Proceeds go to local
> charities! To get to the Brat Fest take the Beltline
> (Highway 12/18) east and exit at John Nolan Drive. You
> can't miss it.
So on Friday night, when a great AUDL game between Madison
and Minnesota was being played in a very cool stadium
downtown, USA Ultimate, the presumed governing body for the
sport in the country and an organization charged with
helping to grow the sport and expose new eyeballs to it,
decided to publicize a fat-ass Sconny sausage fest
(literally, a sausage fest).
I spotted some of the USAU honchos surveying the fields on
Friday. Wow, they're a grim lot. With their walkie-talkies
and official-looking lanyards, they crossed their arms and
were likely proud of the collection of fields full of
athletes in front of them. Nowhere to be found, however,
were basic sporting essentials such as electronic
scoreboards, bleachers (save for the so-called showcase
field) or even an indication of which teams were playing on
those fields. Casual fans have no idea who Mamabird is. Why
is college nationals essentially the same in terms of
organization and ammenities as any other big tournament (if
not falling behind)?
I know the politics of ultimate is discussed ad nauseum on
this board, and it's done mostly by lifer disc heads with
little or no grasp on how a fan might encounter the game.
But I can tell you that the AUDL has, in a very short time,
overcome many of the obstacles the USAU is creating for
itself every day. But apparently the USAU can't admit to
themselves that they're literally not the only game in town.
Wouldn't want to let college players know that there's an
elite game happening... they might end up going! And
enjoying it! And buying merchandise! Or worse... they might
want to start teams of their own and help grow a league that
doesn't rely on the players paying for every damn thing
themselves! And wouldn't that be a tragedy?
--
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Reggie Fanelli
May 25, 2013, 8:29:29 PM5/25/13
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USA Ultimate, the presumed governing body for the
> sport in the country and an organization charged with
> helping to grow the sport and expose new eyeballs to it,
> decided to publicize a fat-ass Sconny sausage fest
instead of a professional ultimate game....
> sport in the country and an organization charged with
> helping to grow the sport and expose new eyeballs to it,
> decided to publicize a fat-ass Sconny sausage fest
----they're "A" governing body. NOT "the" governing body.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> (literally, a sausage fest).
---they're 'in' to that.
~~~~~~~~~~
> I spotted some of the USAU honchos surveying the fields on
> Friday. Wow, they're a grim lot. With their walkie-talkies
> and official-looking lanyards, they crossed their arms and
> were likely proud of the collection of fields full of
> athletes in front of them.
---oh my god.......i can see them perfectly!
> Friday. Wow, they're a grim lot. With their walkie-talkies
> and official-looking lanyards, they crossed their arms and
> were likely proud of the collection of fields full of
> athletes in front of them.
it's like you've painted a picture.
HEY....i recognize those goofs!
~~~~~~~~~~
Casual fans have no idea who Mamabird is.
---what...are they not using the school names on the scoreboards or
something?
the first few seasons that the UOA was around.....we had the actual
school logo for each team who competed at our events ON THE TROPHIES.
they were sweet.....ask around.
~~~~~~~~~~
Why
> is college nationals essentially the same in terms of
> organization and ammenities as any other big tournament (if
> not falling behind)?
---because they know how to host a 'tournament'.
> is college nationals essentially the same in terms of
> organization and ammenities as any other big tournament (if
> not falling behind)?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> But I can tell you that the AUDL has, in a very short time,
> overcome many of the obstacles the USAU is creating for
> itself every day.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
But apparently the USAU can't admit to
> themselves that they're literally not the only game in town.
---well...people keep making the same mistake over and
> themselves that they're literally not the only game in town.
over.....calling them "THE" governing body.
if they don't know it...others will.
~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Wouldn't want to let college players know that there's an
> elite game happening... they might end up going! And
> enjoying it! And buying merchandise! Or worse... they might
> want to start teams of their own and help grow a league that
> doesn't rely on the players paying for every damn thing
> themselves! And wouldn't that be a tragedy?
> --
---one day...those college players might actually want to PLAY in
> elite game happening... they might end up going! And
> enjoying it! And buying merchandise! Or worse... they might
> want to start teams of their own and help grow a league that
> doesn't rely on the players paying for every damn thing
> themselves! And wouldn't that be a tragedy?
> --
another association!!!
that would hurt the upsa....possibly a few less due checks....
they are pretty lame to not highlight an area professional game to the
kids.....
lame.
lame.
lame.
those folks you described above.....they simply
aren't.....very.....cool.
madison...@gmail.com
May 26, 2013, 10:16:58 AM5/26/13
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At least the USUA knows how to provide quality playing surfaces for the teams. From what I can see, they seem to be trying to compete with ice hockey for slippery conditions.
Anakin Jacobs
May 26, 2013, 12:20:23 PM5/26/13
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What's the UOA?
anakin gerics
May 27, 2013, 1:43:18 PM5/27/13
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On May 26, 12:20 pm, Anakin Jacobs <anchorjak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> What's the UOA?
~~~~~~~~~
--right!
nice try.
> What's the UOA?
~~~~~~~~~
--right!
nice try.
Brian
May 29, 2013, 4:12:03 PM5/29/13
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Anakin Dorkics wrote on Sat, 25 May 2013 14:43
> market each others' event to their respective
> participants. Bratfest looks like a huge deal so any co-op
> marketing agreement would have been a wise decision.
> communicate and wearing lanyards with credentials as if it
> was a normal sporting event... Seriously, where do they
> get the nerve?! And standing with their arms crossed?!
> WTF, their arms really should be at their sides, or in
> their pockets when standing and looking at something...
> And yes, they should add electronic scoreboards and
> bleachers, which would likely increase the players' costs
> since those are significantly expensive. I thought you
> didn't like the fact that players have to pay for stuff?
their lives up to this point - the national championships -
would really like to go out on a Friday night for a night
game when they have to get up and play an 8:30am game the
next morning. USAU could have marketed the AUDL game to the
players all they wanted, but no responsible player at the
tournament would have attended if they were serious about
their performance at nationals.
> At college nationals, in the program guide, there's a
> little blurb in the daily directing athletes and their
> families to something interesting after the action at the
> fields concludes. It reads:
>
> Quote:
> > After the action concludes at Reddan, head down to
> > the World's Largest Brat Fest, an annual tradition in
> > Madison. Enjoy some great brats, hot dogs and veggie
> > brats, and if you have a few extra bucks, you can get a
> > beverage, local ice cream or a funnel cake. Proceeds go
> > to local charities! To get to the Brat Fest take the
> > Beltline (Highway 12/18) east and exit at John Nolan
> > Drive. You can't miss it.
>
>
> So on Friday night, when a great AUDL game between
> Madison and Minnesota was being played in a very cool
> stadium downtown, USA Ultimate, the presumed governing
> body for the sport in the country and an organization
> charged with helping to grow the sport and expose new
> eyeballs to it, decided to publicize a fat-ass Sconny
> sausage fest (literally, a sausage fest).
>
> Perhaps USAU and Bratfest had a formal agreement to
> little blurb in the daily directing athletes and their
> families to something interesting after the action at the
> fields concludes. It reads:
>
> Quote:
> > After the action concludes at Reddan, head down to
> > the World's Largest Brat Fest, an annual tradition in
> > Madison. Enjoy some great brats, hot dogs and veggie
> > brats, and if you have a few extra bucks, you can get a
> > beverage, local ice cream or a funnel cake. Proceeds go
> > to local charities! To get to the Brat Fest take the
> > Beltline (Highway 12/18) east and exit at John Nolan
> > Drive. You can't miss it.
>
>
> So on Friday night, when a great AUDL game between
> Madison and Minnesota was being played in a very cool
> stadium downtown, USA Ultimate, the presumed governing
> body for the sport in the country and an organization
> charged with helping to grow the sport and expose new
> eyeballs to it, decided to publicize a fat-ass Sconny
> sausage fest (literally, a sausage fest).
>
> market each others' event to their respective
> participants. Bratfest looks like a huge deal so any co-op
> marketing agreement would have been a wise decision.
>
> I spotted some of the USAU honchos surveying the fields
> on Friday. Wow, they're a grim lot. With their
> walkie-talkies and official-looking lanyards, they crossed
> their arms and were likely proud of the collection of
> fields full of athletes in front of them. Nowhere to be
> found, however, were basic sporting essentials such as
> electronic scoreboards, bleachers (save for the so-called
> showcase field) or even an indication of which teams were
> playing on those fields. Casual fans have no idea who
> Mamabird is. Why is college nationals essentially the same
> in terms of organization and ammenities as any other big
> tournament (if not falling behind)?
>
> The nerve of event staff using walkie talkies to
> I spotted some of the USAU honchos surveying the fields
> on Friday. Wow, they're a grim lot. With their
> walkie-talkies and official-looking lanyards, they crossed
> their arms and were likely proud of the collection of
> fields full of athletes in front of them. Nowhere to be
> found, however, were basic sporting essentials such as
> electronic scoreboards, bleachers (save for the so-called
> showcase field) or even an indication of which teams were
> playing on those fields. Casual fans have no idea who
> Mamabird is. Why is college nationals essentially the same
> in terms of organization and ammenities as any other big
> tournament (if not falling behind)?
>
> communicate and wearing lanyards with credentials as if it
> was a normal sporting event... Seriously, where do they
> get the nerve?! And standing with their arms crossed?!
> WTF, their arms really should be at their sides, or in
> their pockets when standing and looking at something...
> And yes, they should add electronic scoreboards and
> bleachers, which would likely increase the players' costs
> since those are significantly expensive. I thought you
> didn't like the fact that players have to pay for stuff?
>
> I know the politics of ultimate is discussed ad nauseum
> on this board, and it's done mostly by lifer disc heads
> with little or no grasp on how a fan might encounter the
> game. But I can tell you that the AUDL has, in a very
> short time, overcome many of the obstacles the USAU is
> creating for itself every day. But apparently the USAU
> can't admit to themselves that they're literally not the
> only game in town. Wouldn't want to let college players
> know that there's an elite game happening... they might
> end up going! And enjoying it! And buying merchandise! Or
> worse... they might want to start teams of their own and
> help grow a league that doesn't rely on the players paying
> for every damn thing themselves! And wouldn't that be a
> tragedy?
And I'm sure college players playing in the biggest event of
> I know the politics of ultimate is discussed ad nauseum
> on this board, and it's done mostly by lifer disc heads
> with little or no grasp on how a fan might encounter the
> game. But I can tell you that the AUDL has, in a very
> short time, overcome many of the obstacles the USAU is
> creating for itself every day. But apparently the USAU
> can't admit to themselves that they're literally not the
> only game in town. Wouldn't want to let college players
> know that there's an elite game happening... they might
> end up going! And enjoying it! And buying merchandise! Or
> worse... they might want to start teams of their own and
> help grow a league that doesn't rely on the players paying
> for every damn thing themselves! And wouldn't that be a
> tragedy?
their lives up to this point - the national championships -
would really like to go out on a Friday night for a night
game when they have to get up and play an 8:30am game the
next morning. USAU could have marketed the AUDL game to the
players all they wanted, but no responsible player at the
tournament would have attended if they were serious about
their performance at nationals.
Andy Ball
May 29, 2013, 4:37:03 PM5/29/13
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Nothing like playing a day of highly competitive ultimate to
go watch a game of subpar, offense-only "ultimate". Also,
you seem to forget that USAU was hosting a 40-team event,
not a 2 team event. Not sure where you think the electronic
scoreboards and bleachers are going to come for a 12 field
complex. You also must have missed the scoreboards on the
player sidelines with the names of each team on them. In
short, quit complaining and go watch your semi-pro league if
you like it better while the rest of us enjoy the sport at
its best.
go watch a game of subpar, offense-only "ultimate". Also,
you seem to forget that USAU was hosting a 40-team event,
not a 2 team event. Not sure where you think the electronic
scoreboards and bleachers are going to come for a 12 field
complex. You also must have missed the scoreboards on the
player sidelines with the names of each team on them. In
short, quit complaining and go watch your semi-pro league if
you like it better while the rest of us enjoy the sport at
its best.
Joe Seidler
May 30, 2013, 12:37:18 AM5/30/13
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anakin gerics
May 30, 2013, 7:07:30 AM5/30/13
to
On May 30, 12:37 am, Joe Seidler <j...@seidler.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 29, 2013 1:37:03 PM UTC-7, Andy Ball wrote:
> > Nothing like playing a day of highly competitive ultimate to
>
> > go watch a game of subpar, offense-only "ultimate". Also,
>
> > you seem to forget that USAU was hosting a 40-team event,
>
> > not a 2 team event. Not sure where you think the electronic
>
> > scoreboards and bleachers are going to come for a 12 field
>
> > complex. You also must have missed the scoreboards on the
>
> > player sidelines with the names of each team on them. In
>
> > short, quit complaining and go watch your semi-pro league if
>
> > you like it better while the rest of us enjoy the sport at
>
> > its best.
>
> > --
>
> > Posted fromhttp://www.rsdnospam.com
> On Wednesday, May 29, 2013 1:37:03 PM UTC-7, Andy Ball wrote:
> > Nothing like playing a day of highly competitive ultimate to
>
> > go watch a game of subpar, offense-only "ultimate". Also,
>
> > you seem to forget that USAU was hosting a 40-team event,
>
> > not a 2 team event. Not sure where you think the electronic
>
> > scoreboards and bleachers are going to come for a 12 field
>
> > complex. You also must have missed the scoreboards on the
>
> > player sidelines with the names of each team on them. In
>
> > short, quit complaining and go watch your semi-pro league if
>
> > you like it better while the rest of us enjoy the sport at
>
> > its best.
>
> > --
>
>
> It's a waste of time asking the king of pettiness to quit complaining. That is how he (and his very few supporters) live their lives... complaining about the USAU. It's all they know.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> It's a waste of time asking the king of pettiness to quit complaining. That is how he (and his very few supporters) live their lives... complaining about the USAU. It's all they know.
---Andy Ball is the King of Pettiness? or are you calling "anakin
jacobs" the king of petiness?
because...."anakin jacobs" has only posted 2 or 3 times ever to
rsd.....
wow..."anakin jacobs" must have struck a chord with you, jim siedler!
one or two posts.....and they're the King of Pettiness.
hey...you're still runner up....only your pettiness is in favor of the
upa's pettiness.
Anthony
May 30, 2013, 10:14:03 AM5/30/13
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While I do agree with the fact that USAU events are still
the events where you see Ultimate at its finest, I also see
the point about them being petty with the AUDL across town
and no message about it. If they really are promoting the
sport as part of their mission, then they should, at the
least, acknowledge the existance of it.
I agree that no player serious about nationals would spend
time watching the AUDL event, but what about spectators?
They are their to see ultimate which means they are
interested enough and they need something to do. Point
being, it wouldn't hurt the sport to cross promote. Even if
no one went, and I doubt the mention of it would lead to
zero admissions, but even if it did so what?
You have to wonder how much ANY of the organizations
prioritzes promoting the sport when none of them reognize
each other. Obviously it is not the top priority, profit
is. Understandably so for the organizations to survive.
But how far down the list of priorities is promoting the
sport? Is it second priority, the tenth? Makes you wonder.
the events where you see Ultimate at its finest, I also see
the point about them being petty with the AUDL across town
and no message about it. If they really are promoting the
sport as part of their mission, then they should, at the
least, acknowledge the existance of it.
I agree that no player serious about nationals would spend
time watching the AUDL event, but what about spectators?
They are their to see ultimate which means they are
interested enough and they need something to do. Point
being, it wouldn't hurt the sport to cross promote. Even if
no one went, and I doubt the mention of it would lead to
zero admissions, but even if it did so what?
You have to wonder how much ANY of the organizations
prioritzes promoting the sport when none of them reognize
each other. Obviously it is not the top priority, profit
is. Understandably so for the organizations to survive.
But how far down the list of priorities is promoting the
sport? Is it second priority, the tenth? Makes you wonder.
Jed
May 30, 2013, 1:15:03 PM5/30/13
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briantboat wrote on Wed, 29 May 2013 16:11
> ... no responsible player at the tournament would have
only way to recover, focus, and prepare for the next day
involves sausages, funnel cakes and beer.
> ... no responsible player at the tournament would have
> attended if they were serious about their performance at
> nationals.
This is bang on. Any serious and dedicated player knows the
> nationals.
only way to recover, focus, and prepare for the next day
involves sausages, funnel cakes and beer.
anakin gerics
May 30, 2013, 3:03:30 PM5/30/13
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> > ... no responsible player at the tournament would have
> > attended if they were serious about their performance at
> > nationals.
>
> This is bang on. Any serious and dedicated player knows the
> only way to recover, focus, and prepare for the next day
> involves sausages, funnel cakes and beer.
---ok....no bad assed hardcore foaming at the mouth rough and tumble
ready to win nationals athlete would consider going somewhere and
sitting for a couple hours watching something.
HOWEVER....if the upsa had plugged a PRO ULTIMATE event nearby.....is
it possible that maybe a friend of a player might consider going to
watch?
maybe some PARENTS of a student athlete might decide to go take in a
pro game.
maybe there were some fans there to watch the college championships
who would consider taking in another game....a pro game.
certainly...the only people who read the program aren't JUST hard core
athletes who need to rest every night for their games the next
day....right?
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