DiscHoops Video
Huguenard
Joe Buck
Instead of respect for inspirational people with handicaps, your movie
makes me feel pity for retarded cripples.
pgw
Huguenard (nospam) wrote:
> Resistance is futile.....
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> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1737783422874670187
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>
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> Frank
Fill in the blank: "When Frank dreams ... he dreams he's [BLANK]"
imatt...@gmail.com
Hugeunmeyerusgrget, maybe you can elighten me in a seperate post after
this.
It's not more exciting than regular goaltimate. It requires less skill
than regular goaltimate. Not that goaltimate is really all that cool
to begin with, but this game just looks like the red-headed stepchild
of goaltimate. Not something to be too proud about. Maybe i'm just not
open-minded enough, but throwing the disc to yourself for a reset is
just plain silly. That requires absolutely no skill at all and it's
boring. Part of the fun and excitement of ultimate and goaltimate is
the fact that you must pass the disc on to move forward. So there is
always the chance for a risky throw or a D. Once you take that out,
you have a bunch of old men running around and throwing the disc to
themselves.
imatt...@gmail.com
athletic
Joe's Brother
> Fill in the blank: "When Frank dreams ... he dreams he's [BLANK]"
"being heard."
I kind of wanted to try DiscWhoops until I saw this video. Now I
realize it's just lazy pickup hotbox with Calvinball type rules and I
no longer have interest in it.
- Joe's Brother
Brando, Marlon
Stupid, ridiculous, silly looking. doesn't look very intense, either.
i see a lot more exciting action in an old-fashioned game of ultimate.
maybe you guys just suck at the game you invented.
Byron Hicks
I thought you vowed not to post here anymore.
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pgw
> I thought you vowed not to post here anymore.
No no no ... he vowed never to READ posts here anymore.
I have played dischoops. It's not terrible, it has some cool features
... but I prefer both ultimate and goaltimate. The worst part about
dischoops is that to play, you have to play with Frank.
Secret Identity
that guy threw it to himself... holy cow! I was on the edge of my seat.
Would he catch it? He did! Oh my goodness that was exciting.
D. Smith
defense) does three consecutive pirouettes while trying to find his
man. It must have been a genius who combined elements of ballet with
elements of lameness and the athleticism of walking to create such a
great game.
Stuck_At_Work
Becky
for it
throw
Billy (Frank?) throws it to himself better than any of those guys.
Disc hoops would be even more awesome on a frockey rink.
Peter Mc
www.thisisultimate.com
mui...@gmail.com
left...@hotmail.com
hence, the "resistance is futile" statement :)
Edelman
hoop with exact goaltimate rules, with two exceptions: there are 2
hoops instead of 1, so defenders must run back and forth to cover both
goals (since it's make it take it), which no sport does. the reason
why is because it's so tiring. after like 3 points of running end to
end on D, you're beat. make it take it is for halfcourt, otherwise the
game devolves into loafing and cherry picking. the second exception is
that you can "dribble." wow, great idea. since you don't actually
have to put the object into something, and you can't tackle people,
what's to stop you from just running end to end scoring, aside from
fatigue and angry teammates? maybe i don't know the rules, but i
really don't care. the game looks like, as someone said earlier, a
terrible bastardization of goaltimate.
stick with ultimate and goaltimate (which is actually really fun).
although i guess it would be kinda fun to hang out with the guy that
invented the high-release backhand. wow, man. just wow.
Huck and Z
in real life!!!!
i think the only reason frank added the self pass was so that the game
could fulfill his fantasy of ultimate having a "triple threat" position
like basketball. now you really can run with the disc, and shoot
too!!!!!
Kebo
less athleticism: as seen by the jog-tasm that takes place in the
highlight video.
less skill: I think I saw two flicks, about 3 decent backhands, and a
bunch of wobbly, short ranged backhands and poor push passes. Wow, and
even the self-throws were poorly executed.
less teamwork: self throws?
and by the way, I thought if you laid out, you couldn't get up from
your position. out of the 3 layouts I saw, they all at least got up to
their knees.
go dischoops, the new revolution of suck.
Ben
highlight video made from a pickup game. If you did the same thing at a
summer league ultimate game, your highlight film might well make the game
look similarly dull.
Heck, doing the same thing at a basketball game might well make the game
look dull, there wouldn't exactly be a ton of defensive effort on display.
(also, for reference, I know that at least two of the players in that
video are strong ultimate players, either at the college or club
level...if that is worth anything)
There are great reasons to make fun of DiscHoops...let's stick to those.
blw
swill...@yahoo.com
frisbee football. no running with the disc is an aspect of basketball.
goaltimate is basically ultimate, but with a soccer like goal. ddc,
doubles tennis. disc golf. list goes on.
i hate to admit it, but the notion of dribbling is something new with
regards to existing disc sports....as in, moving w/ the disc in a
manner that allows turnovers/steals minus outright football tackling.
(if you can't D a self push pass, consider jumping next time) yes, for
ultimate self passes are as taboo as land sharks in winter, but to
write off a game because it challenges another sport's taboo is FUCKING
STUPID.
as for the two hoops, definitely from boot which is also fun times.
here's something i wonder...would the response on this game be any
different if the founder/spokesperson was someone different? something
to think about...
(disclaimer...i've never played this game, i don't know frank, and i
don't like to play guts...i do love cower though...)
kirs...@gmail.com
I'm a little depressed that I payed enough attention to notice this,
but I seem to recall in a moment of weakness actually reading the rules
and noting that double-dribbling is illegal. (this at least adds a
little skill to the whole self-pass thing...) But in the video there
were plenty of times when the thrower threw to himself, caught it with
both hands, and threw to himself again. I think even Frank did it once
but I won't go look at the video again because I'd probably not be able
to resist the urge to gouge my eyes out...
Keith L
understand the video was just a pick-up game, but the elements of
self-passing (travelling essentially) is not fun. Defense is difficult
in this sport since it is already 3-dimensional, now you are going to
let players basically run away from a mark. No more dumps no more
travels, and a lot of embarrassment when you drop a self-dump. Imagine
basketball without travelling... it would be awful. I understand the
NBA is pretty lax about travels but not in the playoffs, I look at
regular NBA as mid-level ultimate (you get away with travels), playoffs
to Elite (travels are more frequently called) and NCAA basketball is on
par with College Ultimate but please lets not get started on a
basketball/ultimate travelling debate from this.
I have recently been introduced to goaltimate in the Dallas area and
love it. It is very fast paced, the hockey style subbing makes for a
great workout, throwing goals is much more difficult, and 5 second
stalls keep the game moving, Yet your sport does not really stray from
Goaltimate in an POSITIVE ways. You are basically asking ultimate
players to re-learn rules we have spent 40 years developing. Your hoops
do not appear to be unique from the goaltimate ones and I don't have
$300 for a kit.
The list of complaints go on and on as I look at your website but you
have already lost my interest so I digress,
-Keith
gun...@yahoo.com
Now it's like... a pretty funny joke with people acting it out... good
stuff.
-R.
MegaKun...@gmail.com
include a "Sponsored by Wham-O" addition to the credits. I think this
is where the problem lies. Wham-O got kicked out of Ultimate like an
Irishman from an AA convention. Why? Well, their discs suck. Maybe
politics had something to do with it and Discraft sweetened the deal,
but pretty much they just suck and Discraft is awesome. I see DiscHoops
and Frank as Wham-O's way of trying to weasel back into the industry.
It sucks enough that Sports Authority and most sporting goods stores in
general only sell Wham-O trash, now they are inventing retarded games I
never want to play. Watching that "highlight reel" (...come ON) was
painful. I especially love the rule where you can smack the disc out of
the other guy's hands. That just adds a level of depth I never even
wanted to think about.
Oh has anyone seen the stirring and emotional video of Frank repeatedly
tossing his "patented" high-release backhand to his kid for what seems
like 15 minutes? I cried a little. I think it may've been the worst
video I've ever seen. I'd rather watch Highlander 2 immediately
followed by 8 hours of the Home Shopping Network. I'm going to link it
so everyone can relish the splendor of Frank and his kids (whose names
he can't pronounce...watch the blooper reel at the end of him screwing
up both his and his family's names).
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1621086513347628970
^Watch it and be amazed. That high release backhand is really a silent
revolution. I'd never attempted it before watching this video...wait
that's not true.
danfri...@yahoo.com
throws & catches like a t-rex.
Question: are players required to wear a polo shirt & cargo shorts for
official games?
N8
pick which is legal. (which for all you Frank haters out there could
be taken as a suggestion)
N8
Keebler
MegaKun...@gmail.com wrote:
> Oh has anyone seen the stirring and emotional video of Frank repeatedly
> tossing his "patented" high-release backhand to his kid for what seems
> like 15 minutes? I cried a little. I think it may've been the worst
> video I've ever seen. I'd rather watch Highlander 2 immediately
> followed by 8 hours of the Home Shopping Network. I'm going to link it
> so everyone can relish the splendor of Frank and his kids (whose names
> he can't pronounce...watch the blooper reel at the end of him screwing
> up both his and his family's names).
>
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1621086513347628970
> ^Watch it and be amazed. That high release backhand is really a silent
> revolution. I'd never attempted it before watching this video...wait
> that's not true.
My favorite bit is in the description to the right "it's a move I've
never seen any other Ultimate player execute". Thats funny, because
last time I checked (
http://images.google.com/images?q=high+release+backhand&hl=en&btnG=Search+Images
) it wasn't exactly the holy grail of disc manuvers.
His rant on traveling is pretty funny too.
TRG
> different if the founder/spokesperson was someone different? something
> to think about...
Here's your test case:
Edelman
the same lame move over and over again (and by over and over, i mean
i'm sure he did it more than the 2 times i saw before i closed the
thing down) made me want to put my fist through something. however,
the description on the side is priceless. i feel sorry for his kid.
oh and great music choice.
cooler266
neurodancer
cooler266 wrote:
> love the Calvin and Hobbes reference. We miss you Spaceman Spiff!
Ah, Calvinball...the score is 9 to Q.
ND
neurodancer
Please, that's polo shirts and cargeaux shorts. I mean really...
ND
eric...@gmail.com
kriw...@gmail.com
A couple of months ago a fellow named Bobby Bondurant joined all the
Las Vegas Ultimate yahoo! groups. It's not that unusual in a transient
town to get people who join, come to a pick up or two and then
disappear.
Two days ago this BobB fellow started posting links to the Dischoops
video. These were his first posts. I wrote the first one off to poor
taste. After the fourth or fifth, I banned him from the groups.
Billy is getting insidious.
Ken
Las Vegas Leisure
Huck and Z
small group to begin with, and we were all wondering how we got such
targeted spam. Now we know.
jedh...@gmail.com
kriw...@gmail.com wrote:
> ...... I banned him from the groups.....
>
> Ken
> Las Vegas Leisure
Ken, haven't you heard? Resistance is futile.
jason mechler
> Two days ago this BobB fellow started posting links to the Dischoops
> video. These were his first posts. I wrote the first one off to poor
> taste. After the fourth or fifth, I banned him from the groups.
I'm on yahoo groups for 3 or 4 different cities and I'm pretty
sure I got Bobby Bondurant's "check out this cool video i saw on
RSD" through all of them.
> Billy is getting insidious.
he certainly has an abundance of time on his hands
--
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Alan Hoyle
> kriw...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Two days ago this BobB fellow started posting links to the Dischoops
>> video. These were his first posts. I wrote the first one off to poor
>> taste. After the fourth or fifth, I banned him from the groups.
> I'm on yahoo groups for 3 or 4 different cities and I'm pretty
> sure I got Bobby Bondurant's "check out this cool video i saw on
> RSD" through all of them.
>> Billy is getting insidious.
> he certainly has an abundance of time on his hands
He's also posted on the TFDA (Raleigh-Durham) non-yahoogroup email lists.
As the list admin, I got a couple of choice responses:
"Ugh. I'm with you on the painfully boring part."
"Wow. If ever there were a video that made me NOT want to do
something, that would be it. Looks like a corporate ropes bonding
day. AcK!"
-alan
--
Alan Hoyle - al...@unc.edu - http://www.alanhoyle.com/
"I don't want the world, I just want your half." -TMBG
Get Horizontal, Play Ultimate.
bettyf...@gmail.com
STOP the insanity!
kk
sasha
> Las Vegas Ultimate yahoo! groups.
> video. These were his first posts. I wrote the first one off to poor
> taste. After the fourth or fifth, I banned him from the groups.
Yep, he hit the central and eastern PA lists too, and tried to join the
Warmothers internal team list saying he had a "vested interest" in
seeing our program advance. But that was back in early April. I guess
they've been planning this "launch" for some time.
Is he Frank's alter ego? Lover? Evil twin?
rufio
also happened on ohio state's old b team list which has remained
inactive for 2-3 years prior to this.
what happened to his last name including "nospam"?
gun...@yahoo.com
email list from him...
THANKS BILLY, COOL MOVIE!.
idiot.
chris....@gmail.com
van saun ultimate which is just a group for pickup at van saun park in
nj. Ridiculous!
Also, my personal favorite.....the 6 minute video showing how he can
throw a backhand and a forehand. That's pretty impressive, I didn't
know anyone could do that
Keith L
school) then started to spam my group. Dude needs a real hobby.
-Keith
kriw...@gmail.com
Yeah, maybe so.
I think I like the inactive Ohio State B team list the best. I would
figure that he might look up lists in major cities, but he obviously
spent a LOT of time on this.
Ken
Bobus
> Hi all,
> Check out this radical video I saw posted on r.s.d. today:
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1737783422874670187
> BobB
Needless to say, we've ordered 3 kits...
frisbee boy
I live in Australia, and received this email on no less than 7
Yahoogroups, all for various leagues/lists within the *same city*...
neurodancer
Yep. He got into the Prospect Park (Brookyn) Yahoo pick-up site as
well. A lot of these sites are by invitation only, our boy must have
some serious time on his hands to bullshit dozens (hundreds?) of ulty
group administrators.
ND
Strobie
him.
---
I'm in and out of town on business and would like to mix in a little
pleasure from time to time.
Bob Bondurant
Hi,
I'm interested in checking out the local disc scene.
Bob Bondurant
===
Felix
the summer" etc etc), and on every other UK ultimate related yahoogroup
I'm part of...
A quick browse of some websites saw the word 'radical' crop up time and
again and it was immediately painfully obvious how far this guy will go
to enforce his "radical" will upon others.
Felix
seanc
shunned. for all that he rails against the UPA, i have *never*
received such bogus specious crap from them.
frank, worse than ultimate in every way.
pgw
Jesus, Idris, don't you have work to do or something?
Justin
apparently someone going around and joining every frisbee group and
posting links to the dischoop video saying it is interesting..... the
extact same cut and paste each time.
garb
Universe".
ultima...@hotmail.com
who are 'pro' dischoops I suggest you take a more laid back approach to
'marketing' your idea. Relax. Good ideas need time to develop. If
you take a step back and consider dischoops as still a
work-in-progress, then you'll probably get more positive feedback.
Just think about the revision that has gone into ultimate and every
other sport over the past 30 years. And especially the work that went
into developing the game before anyone heard about it.
To the ultimate crowd, well, your reaction to the video and agressive
posting I think is mostly justified. The video just doesn't look like
much fun and the bboard targeting is pretty lame. But I would expect
ultimate players to be more open minded. After all, we all play a
sport that isn't exactly mainstream. I would expect more constructive
criticism and less outright bashing of a *relatively* novel idea. I
mean, if dischoops stays the same as it is now, we all have a sport to
play after we're too old and slow to play masters anymore. Aren't you
grateful?
Ace
Buffalo Ultimate yahoo group. oh man, the anticipation was mounting and
mounting, and to my delight that silly bastard has invaded the Queen
City. what a moron
i will admit though, that i cant stop watching his videos becuase of
what someone posted earlier, "He runs, catches, and throws like a
T-rex."
mpg...@gmail.com
This action taken by one or more dischoops people is going to hurt
their cause more than it helps it. I can only presume that they'd
hoped people would be inspired by the video to try dischoops or that it
would at the very least generate discussion of the rule changes that
they show. Unfortunately for them, the discussion they got is that
their spamming behavior is unwelcomed, with a secondary point that the
video itself isn't a particularly good sales pitch for their game.
I was accepting of getting their email message on a list specific to
Goaltimate in this area, given that their game is a variant of
Goaltimate. Sending it to a bunch of ultimate team and pickup lists
around the world is presumptious and only makes me think less of the
people, and reduces my already-low interest in their variant of what I
consider a very enjoyable good game.
- Marshall
cot...@yahoo.com
you call that a workout? Ryan Seacrest gets sweatier watching Brokeback
Mountain than all those guys combined
pgw
cot...@yahoo.com wrote:
> I might want to play it if it was more athletic of an activity
>
> you call that a workout? Ryan Seacrest gets sweatier watching Brokeback
> Mountain than all those guys combined
Why do people keep voicing this stupid misguided criticism? If I got
the right slow, lazy chumps together on a Sunday afternoon, I could
show you videos of ultimate, basketball, tennis, and hell, even dance
dance revolution, that would make them all seem less intense than
taking out the garbage. If you don't think that a hard-running great
athlete would crush those guys at dischoops, you're a moron.
As blw said ages ago: there are plenty of good reasons to make fun of
dischoops. Don't make up dumb ones.
cot...@yahoo.com
relax
Kebo
but if that video is supposed to be a showcase of how the game is so
much better than ultimate...than what should we think?
Frank put that up as the reason to switch...and obviously it didn't
convince anyone.
But, imagine it WITH top athletes...I don't see it being much
different:
-you can't run at top speeds because you have zero leeway for stopping
in a certain number of steps.
-you don't want to lay out because even if you do, you must play the
disc from the ground, and don't forget, they can simply rip the disc
out of your hand after you make a sick grab.
-there is no hucking because of the goals, short fields, and lack of
top speed running, as well as self-passing.
-tight defense is discouraged because of self-passing
-running all out is discouraged because the points are so long.
deal with the fact that this is a very valid reason to not like the
game. Frank realized that he had developed some interesting throws for
himself that were not that useful in ultimate, he wasn't that
athletically inclined, so he developed a game that would allow him to
reign. A game where he isn't going to get beaten deep by faster
runners, nor would a faster defender keep him from the disc by simply
shutting down the open side, meanwhile he can toss wobbly lefty or
righty flip throws to himself as he jogs down the field. Oh yeah, and
he can take advantage of people who hold the disc out in front of
themselves as they look for recievers.
matt.be...@gmail.com
like the fact that you aren't allowed to run around with the disc (even
if you do have to toss it to yourself - as an aside, why couldn't you
just run down the field quickly opening and closing your grip on the
disc, even alternating hands and call it your throw? You do lose
sustained contact & control of a non-spinning disc).
I could go make a game called Gridiron Disc and allow tackling and
running while holding the disc and forward passes at anytime. Most of
the ultimate and goaltimate community will not like my idea, probably
because they are not fond of being knocked the hell down every time
they get a disc.
Alternatively, anyone who thought this was a good idea probably already
thought of it and plays. It's just not very popular at all.
Was throwing the disc to yourself ever not forbidden in the rules? If
so, then it just shows that ultimate as a sport chose to go that way
and most people who play like that aspect.
Margalit
again attempting to promote dischoops. He infiltrated the DC
goaltimate listserve as Frank Huegenardwhatever a few months ago. will
it ever end???
Frank Kearney
> himself that were not that useful in ultimate, he wasn't that
> athletically inclined,
Don't forget he was getting schooled in basketball, too.
I was asking myself for a while why he doesn't just play bball.
> so he developed a game that would allow him to
> reign.
Agreed. Or at least set himself up as something important. Illusions of
grandeur.
Frank
Alan Hoyle
> Agreed. Or at least set himself up as something important. Illusions of
> grandeur.
If you're going to have delusions, you might as well go for the really
satisfying ones.
-a
--
Alan Hoyle - al...@unc.edu - http://www.alanhoyle.com/
"I don't want the world, I just want your half." -TMBG
Get Horizontal, Play Ultimate.
pgw
Kebo wrote:
> But, imagine it WITH top athletes...
There is a guy on that video who has played for the Condors and Kaos
... not coincidentally, he appears to be dominating.
> I don't see it being much
> different:
> -you can't run at top speeds because you have zero leeway for stopping
> in a certain number of steps.
And yet people who are so much faster than you it's laughable play
basketball at top speed and deal with a three-step rule. They do two
things to combat the problem you've pointed out: jump stop, and start
dribbling when they catch on the run. Both would be options in
dischoops.
> -you don't want to lay out because even if you do, you must play the
> disc from the ground, and don't forget, they can simply rip the disc
> out of your hand after you make a sick grab.
Yeah, far better to just give up on possession than to even make an
attempt to catch it and then deal with the ensuing less-than-ideal
circumstances.
> -there is no hucking because of the goals, short fields, and lack of
> top speed running, as well as self-passing.
There is no difference between dischoops and goaltimate when it comes
to the incentives to huck or not. There is far MORE incentive to throw
long-range passes, though, because it leads to quick goals on the fast
break.
> -tight defense is discouraged because of self-passing
I guess you mean on the mark. Yeah, you have to be prepared to move if
the player starts "dribbling." Just like basketball.
> -running all out is discouraged because the points are so long.
Other games with continuous or near-continuous play: basketball,
soccer, hockey, lacrosse. The players figure out ways to avoid killing
themselves by sprinting all the time, but there's certainly plenty of
sprinting.
> deal with the fact that this is a very valid reason to not like the
> game.
When you prove to me that the game is inherently unathletic, I'll deal
with that fact. But I'm pretty well convinced you're wrong.
> Frank realized that he had developed some interesting throws for
> himself that were not that useful in ultimate, he wasn't that
> athletically inclined, so he developed a game that would allow him to
> reign.
Again, no - if good players picked this sport up, he would soon be
recognized as a mediocre player - one with some novel skills that are
often effective, but ultimately past his athletic prime and prone to
stupid decisions. Just like he is in ultimate and goaltimate.
Look, I hate to be a Frank apologist, but at least I have played
dischoops and know whereof I speak to a tiny degree. It's so obvious
that all the same athletic attributes that are valuable in an ultimate
player would be valuable in a dischoops player that's it's hard to
believe so many people are saying otherwise. You might think the game
looks lame and I won't disagree with you there. But until you have
done more than watch a crappy video of what were for the most part
mediocre disc players playing the game, one fact you must deal with is
that your opinions about the game are ill-informed, and likely heavily
influenced by your knowledge that its inventor is a douchebag.
dsb
Well thought out arguments in defense of dischoops take out all the fun
here. I'd say given the circumstances Frank's crappy little game
deserves a little ill-informed flaming.
So you are arguing Frank didn't create the sport specifically to suit
his personal skills(and shortcomings)?
You don't think the different rules create disincentives to more
athletic play?
And how does Frank manage to get people (such as yourself) to even try
his game, out of curiousity?
pgw
> So you are arguing Frank didn't create the sport specifically to suit
> his personal skills(and shortcomings)?
Frank created the sport because he pretends to hate ultimate (and more
recently goaltimate) because no one worth playing with will let him
play, but he still likes disc sports. Also, he is obsessed with
basketball because he has been trying so hard for so long to adapt
established basketball strategies to ultimate. Or maybe he just really
likes basketball, I don't know. At any rate, his basketball obsession
led him to try to create a game that is more like basketball than any
other disc sport. Hence the name, the full-court style, and the
"dribbling."
> You don't think the different rules create disincentives to more
> athletic play?
Not really.
> And how does Frank manage to get people (such as yourself) to even try
> his game, out of curiousity?
While I think you meant something else, the answer is: "yes, out of
curiosity."
Kebo
> basketball at top speed and deal with a three-step rule. They do two
> things to combat the problem you've pointed out: jump stop, and start
> dribbling when they catch on the run. Both would be options in
> dischoops.
While I will give you that there are a number of professional
basketball players that are faster than me, the amount of time they
actually spend at top speed (all out sprint) is very small. For the
most part, three fast steps in the lane, or around a pick are not full
speed sprinting. On a fast break, coming down for the help, yeah, that
might be a full speed sprint, but dribbling, or passing, while still
very very fast, is not their top speed.
> > -you don't want to lay out because even if you do, you must play the
> > disc from the ground, and don't forget, they can simply rip the disc
> > out of your hand after you make a sick grab.
>
> Yeah, far better to just give up on possession than to even make an
> attempt to catch it and then deal with the ensuing less-than-ideal
> circumstances.
well think about it...if you knew that by missing a lay out, or even if
you think you can get it, you make yourself more vulnerable to a turn
around, or change of possession on an already long point, would you?
> There is no difference between dischoops and goaltimate when it comes
> to the incentives to huck or not. There is far MORE incentive to throw
> long-range passes, though, because it leads to quick goals on the fast
> break.
Long range by goaltimate standards or ultimate standards? I play
ultimate, so I go off of those. The size of his field, plus the way
the game is set up, discourages longer throws...not to mention that in
ultimate, you can also have quick goals on a fast break off of a long
range throw.
> > -tight defense is discouraged because of self-passing
>
> I guess you mean on the mark. Yeah, you have to be prepared to move if
> the player starts "dribbling." Just like basketball.
so you agree, tight defense is discouraged? or are you saying that it's
just like basketball? Because in basketball, you might have noticed
that in many positions, defense is a question of genetics (size) as
opposed to running hard. Compare the difference between shutting down
a downfield cutter, who can quickly cut in or out, as opposed to shaq,
who spends a good deal of his time waiting under the boards.
> > -running all out is discouraged because the points are so long.
>
> Other games with continuous or near-continuous play: basketball,
> soccer, hockey, lacrosse. The players figure out ways to avoid killing
> themselves by sprinting all the time, but there's certainly plenty of
> sprinting.
Lets take them one at a time: hockey you can sub mid point...that one's
a bad example for you. Soccer, while I have great respect for elite
level soccer players, involves a good deal of jogging, to a full
sprint, back to a full jog, and back up to a full sprint. Not to
mention the field is a whole hell of a lot bigger than a goaltimate
field. Basketball, like I said earlier, other than fast breaks, is a
lot of quick steps followed by walking and/or standing around waiting
to make more quick steps. Especially with the implementation of zone
defense. Lacrosse, I honestly have very little experience with, but
from what I have seen, it resembles soccer a good deal.
Now, if you are going to compare dischoops to any of these sports, I am
going to leave the burden of proof on you to explain how it is similar,
because I have read the rules, and seen the video, and I honestly don't
see it.
> When you prove to me that the game is inherently unathletic, I'll deal
> with that fact. But I'm pretty well convinced you're wrong.
I am basing this off of the rules set more than the video. Take for
instance the pick. In order for the pick to not be an automatic injury
in a top speed all out sprint situation, you would need pads...however,
since the game is at a considerably slower speed, picks are legal.
Also, picks are an implementation to allow someone to get open more
easily...if long throws are just as incouraged, and the game is just as
athletically stacked, there would be no need for picks, in fact, picks
would be forbidden based on the capacity for harm they present.
pgw
> ... in basketball, you might have noticed
> that in many positions, defense is a question of genetics (size) as
> opposed to running hard.
I think I earlier underestimated the extent to which you are deluded.
> Compare the difference between shutting down
> a downfield cutter, who can quickly cut in or out, as opposed to shaq,
> who spends a good deal of his time waiting under the boards.
Constantly working. Moving his feet. Vying for position against dudes
who can bench-press you and your mom tied together. Sweating buckets.
Seriously. You're deluded.
> Now, if you are going to compare dischoops to any of these sports, I am
> going to leave the burden of proof on you to explain how it is similar,
> because I have read the rules, and seen the video, and I honestly don't
> see it.
Okay, you've read the rules. Was there a speed limit in there? Cause
I missed it.
> > When you prove to me that the game is inherently unathletic, I'll deal
> > with that fact. But I'm pretty well convinced you're wrong.
>
> I am basing this off of the rules set more than the video. Take for
> instance the pick. In order for the pick to not be an automatic injury
> in a top speed all out sprint situation, you would need pads...however,
> since the game is at a considerably slower speed, picks are legal.
Again - was there a speed limit in the game that I missed?
> Also, picks are an implementation to allow someone to get open more
> easily...if long throws are just as incouraged, and the game is just as
> athletically stacked, there would be no need for picks, in fact, picks
> would be forbidden based on the capacity for harm they present.
What you have stated is a pretty good argument against allowing picks.
As an argument for your point, it is precisely ass-backwards.
Have you ever played goaltimate?
see_el_bee
this thread used to be fun.
Kebo
pgw wrote:
> > ... in basketball, you might have noticed
> > that in many positions, defense is a question of genetics (size) as
> > opposed to running hard.
>
> I think I earlier underestimated the extent to which you are deluded.
>
> > Compare the difference between shutting down
> > a downfield cutter, who can quickly cut in or out, as opposed to shaq,
> > who spends a good deal of his time waiting under the boards.
>
> Constantly working. Moving his feet. Vying for position against dudes
> who can bench-press you and your mom tied together. Sweating buckets.
Oh I know...I used to play basketball, but there is a difference
between a swing step to sticking your butt out, as opposed to shutting
down a downfield cutter? Or do you disagree? I never said that shaq is
not an athlete, but if you honestly think that him stepping down into
the lane and putting his big meaty paws up in the air is physically
demanding, other than being big, as ultimate, you sir are the deluded
one. By the way, he's sweating buckets because he's a very large man
with a good amount of body fat on him, and those stadiums get pretty
hot down on the floor.
> Again - was there a speed limit in the game that I missed?
No, there is no speed limit, but the rules and strategies of the game
create a less than top speed situation, where someone COULD sprint all
out, but it would not gain them advantage. Take curling or table
tennis for example, there is nothing in the rules saying that you can't
run full speed...and yet you just don't see it.
> What you have stated is a pretty good argument against allowing picks.
> As an argument for your point, it is precisely ass-backwards.
Not necessarily, allowing picks is indicative of the style of play.
By the way...you ignored about half of what I said before...no
statements of my delusion or snappy comebacks? Or just nothing to say?
pgw
Kebo wrote:
> Oh I know...I used to play basketball, but there is a difference
> between a swing step to sticking your butt out, as opposed to shutting
> down a downfield cutter? Or do you disagree?
Well, of course I don't disagree that they're different. If you think
one is significantly easier than the other, you're kidding yourself.
If all it takes to play good defense down on the blocks is two hundred
eighty pounds and a big ass, how come all the people that are good at
it are such ridiculous physical specimens?
Also, would you disagree that playing defense in dischoops (or, for
that matter, in goaltimate and even to some extent in ultimate) is a
lot like having to guard somebody like Rip Hamilton? Now I ask you -
does that look easy?
> > Again - was there a speed limit in the game that I missed?
>
> No, there is no speed limit, but the rules and strategies of the game
> create a less than top speed situation, where someone COULD sprint all
> out, but it would not gain them advantage.
Okay, let's see. I'm on offense, you're on defense. Let's say for
argument's sake you and I are basically equals in terms of speed and
quickness. My team creates some space for me to go to the goal, or
really to cut anywhere. Am I going to get the disc if I don't go at or
near top speed? The answer is maybe, exactly to the same extent that I
might get the disc at less than top speed in your favorite game. The
defense dictates how hard I have to run to get open. Of course, I
might successfully get you off balance with a nice little juke and the
pass could be thrown quickly without my having to keep sprinting, but
it's the same in ultimate. How do you not see this?
> By the way...you ignored about half of what I said before...no
> statements of my delusion or snappy comebacks? Or just nothing to say?
Nothing to say.
You ignored this, which was not rhetorical, so I'll repeat it: have you
ever played goaltimate?
La Maldad
see_el_bee wrote:
> wtf.
>
> this thread used to be fun.
Yes. Witness the power of Peter Washington.
rjhberg
Talk!!!
Gus
swill...@yahoo.com wrote:
>here's something i wonder...would the response on this game be any
>different if the founder/spokesperson was someone different? something
>to think about...
I have no idea who Frank is but it wouldn't matter this game is
retarded. There is probably a very good reason why this guy doesn't
play a real sport like ultimate.
Keith L
-Keith
drich
(call me)
-drich
Kebo
drich wrote:
> kebo you are a douchebag. can you even throw yet?
> (call me)
>
> -drich
I don't have your number anymore since I lost my cellphone...and either
way I loathe you.
-Kebo
tbaum
i recently joined a yahoo group for a co-ed club team there hoping to
play a little while i am in spain. last week there was a strange post
on the group forum. the post was in english, mentioned rsd, and
dischoops, three things that had not happened on this forum before.
after reading this series of posts (i was ignoring it because dischoops
is boring but internships might possibly be more boring) i realized
that this bobby guy had posted on a spanish club team's yahoo group
without sense enough to post in spanish. really smart.
Nicole BI
about DiscHoops - I manage the moderated LA Women's Ultimate
YahooGroup. When he tried to join I emailed him asking if he was a
woman. He had signed his original request "Bobbie," which could be a
woman's name (right?). When he wrote back saying that he IS a woman, my
trusting nature got the better of my good judgement and I approved his
membership. Obviously I should have been more suspicious of the
discrepancy in spelling between the signature and the email address
itself, as well as the fact that his name appears as "Bob" in the
heading. I think it's really funny that he claimed to be a woman just
to join and send that silly video link out :-) He's been removed from
the list.
-Nicole