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mixnuts
May 22, 2012, 6:30:03 PM5/22/12
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http://www.nexgentour.com/news/2012-roster
The intro paragraph is pretty awkward, but this roster looks
strong. Five returners, including the potential top three
Callahan nominees (Thorne, Lance, EJ). Looking forward to
watching Tommy Li play with the best of D-I.
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The intro paragraph is pretty awkward, but this roster looks
strong. Five returners, including the potential top three
Callahan nominees (Thorne, Lance, EJ). Looking forward to
watching Tommy Li play with the best of D-I.
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David Landstra
May 22, 2012, 6:55:03 PM5/22/12
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Having played D-III last year and against Tommy Li its nice
to see support for the smaller schools that don't have the
depth to make D-I. How he interacts with some of the biggest
names in the college game right now will be interesting.
Will NexGen be bringing back the active travel call from
last trip and if yes how will this effect Li's big hucks
that are, as noting here on RSD numerous times, often
travels? I wish him all the luck and to show what talent the
D-III schools can offer.
to see support for the smaller schools that don't have the
depth to make D-I. How he interacts with some of the biggest
names in the college game right now will be interesting.
Will NexGen be bringing back the active travel call from
last trip and if yes how will this effect Li's big hucks
that are, as noting here on RSD numerous times, often
travels? I wish him all the luck and to show what talent the
D-III schools can offer.
You
May 22, 2012, 10:36:46 PM5/22/12
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Could Dayne Meyer fill that last spot? He very well could be
the most polished player in the college scene this year.
the most polished player in the college scene this year.
Not Ultimate
May 22, 2012, 11:55:03 PM5/22/12
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Sounds awesome. Sign me up. Would be better if they played
AUDL rules, but I'll take it.
AUDL rules, but I'll take it.
Zack
May 23, 2012, 1:45:04 AM5/23/12
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Travels or no, Tommy Li will have top 3 assists on the team
by the end of the season. Just wait.
by the end of the season. Just wait.
Daddy
May 23, 2012, 8:50:03 AM5/23/12
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Last year's team will probably be better, but this team has
some studs too. A few of the choices, though, aren't really
that good.
some studs too. A few of the choices, though, aren't really
that good.
ulticritic
May 23, 2012, 9:09:19 AM5/23/12
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On May 22, 11:55 pm, Not Ultimate <bmwhi...@yahoo.com> wrote:.
> Sounds awesome. Sign me up. Would be better if they played
> AUDL rules, but I'll take it.
WORD FUCKING UP. i think these nexgen guys would be complete idiots
if they didnt try and network with the audl and play at least one or
two audl teams. of which, i could see this nexgen thing becoming an
audl program in which the nexgen team became contractually obligated
to play against audl teams ONLY. think about it, the audl is
obviously gonna be MUCH BETTER at promoting and presenting such
showcased games that the idivisual/independant teams that they
currently play AND the audl is already set up to run single game
formats......aside from having built in fan bases.
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> Sounds awesome. Sign me up. Would be better if they played
> AUDL rules, but I'll take it.
if they didnt try and network with the audl and play at least one or
two audl teams. of which, i could see this nexgen thing becoming an
audl program in which the nexgen team became contractually obligated
to play against audl teams ONLY. think about it, the audl is
obviously gonna be MUCH BETTER at promoting and presenting such
showcased games that the idivisual/independant teams that they
currently play AND the audl is already set up to run single game
formats......aside from having built in fan bases.
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Whorlando
May 23, 2012, 9:19:15 AM5/23/12
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Yeah I'm a little surprised that I don't see Mischa
Freystaetter. How could you turn down a big man like that?
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Freystaetter. How could you turn down a big man like that?
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William Martin
May 23, 2012, 9:58:34 AM5/23/12
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Skiddy-O wrote on Wed, 23 May 2012 05:45
players people have been arguing about a chance to give it
their best in front of everyone and to shut naysayers up if
they can.
> Last year's team will probably be better, but this team
> has some studs too. A few of the choices, though, aren't
> really that good.
Well, what's nice about the tour is it gives some of the
> has some studs too. A few of the choices, though, aren't
> really that good.
players people have been arguing about a chance to give it
their best in front of everyone and to shut naysayers up if
they can.
Jim Aspholm
May 23, 2012, 10:35:04 AM5/23/12
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Whorlando wrote on Wed, 23 May 2012 06:17
week and traveling across the country every other weekend
the entire school year for Ultimate, are still college
students. In order to play NexGen, you've got to be
financially and professionally capable of traveling around
in a bus for a couple months. I have no way of knowing if
Mischa is in this group, but internships and summer jobs can
play a big role in availability.
> How could you turn down a big man like that?
Sometimes college students, despite training a dozen hours a
week and traveling across the country every other weekend
the entire school year for Ultimate, are still college
students. In order to play NexGen, you've got to be
financially and professionally capable of traveling around
in a bus for a couple months. I have no way of knowing if
Mischa is in this group, but internships and summer jobs can
play a big role in availability.
Slade
May 23, 2012, 1:25:04 PM5/23/12
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West Coast tilt to the small-school pickups: La Verne (CA),
Whitman (WA), and Claremont (CA).
Since NexGen is a west-coast company, I'd imagine they are
more comfortable taking a risk on small-school talent they
have scouted in person as opposed to reputation. They
weren't at D-III Nationals, and had likely extended offers
beforehand.
I'm impressed by the geographic diversity they've managed in
back-to-back years. They even have a German player this
season:
http://ffindr.com/en/player/germany/philipp-haas
Whitman (WA), and Claremont (CA).
Since NexGen is a west-coast company, I'd imagine they are
more comfortable taking a risk on small-school talent they
have scouted in person as opposed to reputation. They
weren't at D-III Nationals, and had likely extended offers
beforehand.
I'm impressed by the geographic diversity they've managed in
back-to-back years. They even have a German player this
season:
http://ffindr.com/en/player/germany/philipp-haas
Bjork
May 23, 2012, 1:35:04 PM5/23/12
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Tommy placed 7th for assists in D3 nationals. Pretty sure he
wont be in the top three on the nex gen tour. Not to mention
that he had 16 turnovers.
http://www.usaultimate.org/news/2012-d-iii-college-championships-statistics--open-division/
wont be in the top three on the nex gen tour. Not to mention
that he had 16 turnovers.
http://www.usaultimate.org/news/2012-d-iii-college-championships-statistics--open-division/
joaq
May 23, 2012, 2:20:05 PM5/23/12
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Looking at the players with more assists than Tommy, only 1
other player had more assists than turns. I wonder if this
is a product of the best throwers on DIII teams having to
take more risks because of the quality of their teams. Also,
Tommy had the best +/- of the top 10 assist guys.
I'd say one tournament is a small sample size, and the style
of play at the D-III college level is much different then
club. Is there a way to project a player's performance at
the club level based on how they play D-III college? What
about D-I? I wouldn't guess Tommy will be top 3 in assists
(I'd guess he'd play more D than O).
other player had more assists than turns. I wonder if this
is a product of the best throwers on DIII teams having to
take more risks because of the quality of their teams. Also,
Tommy had the best +/- of the top 10 assist guys.
I'd say one tournament is a small sample size, and the style
of play at the D-III college level is much different then
club. Is there a way to project a player's performance at
the club level based on how they play D-III college? What
about D-I? I wouldn't guess Tommy will be top 3 in assists
(I'd guess he'd play more D than O).
T2SX
May 23, 2012, 4:07:59 PM5/23/12
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Gambling on small school talent?
Have you seen Janin or Rehder on the field? Monstrous. Both
played elite open in HS...
Also agreed its awesome a true D-III player (Li) and an
international stud are in the mix.
Have you seen Janin or Rehder on the field? Monstrous. Both
played elite open in HS...
Also agreed its awesome a true D-III player (Li) and an
international stud are in the mix.
James Highsmith
May 23, 2012, 4:15:03 PM5/23/12
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T2SX wrote on Wed, 23 May 2012 15:41
Both play elite open in club...
> Gambling on small school talent?
>
> Have you seen Janin or Rehder on the field? Monstrous.
> Both played elite open in HS...
>
> Also agreed its awesome a true D-III player (Li) and an
> international stud are in the mix.
lol why mention elite HS experience?
>
> Have you seen Janin or Rehder on the field? Monstrous.
> Both played elite open in HS...
>
> Also agreed its awesome a true D-III player (Li) and an
> international stud are in the mix.
Both play elite open in club...
DanD
May 23, 2012, 4:25:05 PM5/23/12
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a big problem with assist stats: they require your team to
score.
Claremont tied for last. With the tournament structure that
means they only played 5 games and in those games they have
a total of only 46 goals. Tommy threw 39% of their goals.
Other teams had more games and a lot more success so
comparing just straight stats is misleading. Still going by
percentage of the teams totals in assists, Tommy was 4th:
Ben Lohre of Lewis and Clark (51%)
Tevon Edwards of Reed (48%)
Sean Murphy of Rice (43%)
Tommy Li of Claremont (39%)
Chris Hannah of Georgia College (38%)
As for the turnovers, with the wind at nationals, the
throwers on teams really had to take chances. Other than
GOP, there wasn't a team that I watched, that could work the
disc up the field without taking lucky shots. Going
downwind, you never wanted to risk giving up a short field
when you didn't have to so many teams would basically play
punt and d. Puget sound made the finals looking like a
pickup game going downwind. They would send 5 guys into the
endzone and just huck it down there. If they got lucky
great, if they turned it, well now they could get a short
field if GOP messed up. The point is that without a full
team of great disc skills, the main throwers for many teams
were taking shots that were very likely not to work. I'd
imagine Tommy was taking these chances as well.
I have never seen Tommy play where he wasn't one of the best
two or three guys on the field. With NexGen roster, he
certainly won't be one of the best. It will be interesting
if he can fill another role like a d-line handler who is
just a possession type player on a turn.
I don't think he'll be top 3 in assists but it will be nice
for the D-III players to see someone on the team that they
can compare themselves too.
score.
Claremont tied for last. With the tournament structure that
means they only played 5 games and in those games they have
a total of only 46 goals. Tommy threw 39% of their goals.
Other teams had more games and a lot more success so
comparing just straight stats is misleading. Still going by
percentage of the teams totals in assists, Tommy was 4th:
Ben Lohre of Lewis and Clark (51%)
Tevon Edwards of Reed (48%)
Sean Murphy of Rice (43%)
Tommy Li of Claremont (39%)
Chris Hannah of Georgia College (38%)
As for the turnovers, with the wind at nationals, the
throwers on teams really had to take chances. Other than
GOP, there wasn't a team that I watched, that could work the
disc up the field without taking lucky shots. Going
downwind, you never wanted to risk giving up a short field
when you didn't have to so many teams would basically play
punt and d. Puget sound made the finals looking like a
pickup game going downwind. They would send 5 guys into the
endzone and just huck it down there. If they got lucky
great, if they turned it, well now they could get a short
field if GOP messed up. The point is that without a full
team of great disc skills, the main throwers for many teams
were taking shots that were very likely not to work. I'd
imagine Tommy was taking these chances as well.
I have never seen Tommy play where he wasn't one of the best
two or three guys on the field. With NexGen roster, he
certainly won't be one of the best. It will be interesting
if he can fill another role like a d-line handler who is
just a possession type player on a turn.
I don't think he'll be top 3 in assists but it will be nice
for the D-III players to see someone on the team that they
can compare themselves too.
Cullen Coyne
May 23, 2012, 5:57:50 PM5/23/12
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highsmith wrote on Wed, 23 May 2012 13:11
Rehder made sockeye and Janin played Rhino (i believe) while
in Highschool. Both also were junior worlds players (along
with Tommy Li).
> T2SX wrote on Wed, 23 May 2012 15:41
> > Gambling on small school talent?
> >
> > Have you seen Janin or Rehder on the field?
> > Monstrous. Both played elite open in HS...
> >
> > Also agreed its awesome a true D-III player (Li) and
> > an international stud are in the mix.
>
>
> lol why mention elite HS experience?
>
> Both play elite open in club...
He means they played Elite Open Club WHILE in highschool.
> > Gambling on small school talent?
> >
> > Have you seen Janin or Rehder on the field?
> > Monstrous. Both played elite open in HS...
> >
> > Also agreed its awesome a true D-III player (Li) and
> > an international stud are in the mix.
>
>
> lol why mention elite HS experience?
>
> Both play elite open in club...
Rehder made sockeye and Janin played Rhino (i believe) while
in Highschool. Both also were junior worlds players (along
with Tommy Li).
Kearney
May 24, 2012, 1:04:44 AM5/24/12
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Watching how Driscoll is played compared to what Coach
Calvin played him as is what I'm looking forward to.
Calvin played him as is what I'm looking forward to.
Slade
May 24, 2012, 8:10:04 AM5/24/12
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enigma18 wrote on Wed, 23 May 2012 17:30
Ok, perhaps a bit of a stretch to package the three in the
same "small-school player not going to D-I nationals"
category.
I was defended by Rehder for a few points his rookie season
('08) but have not seen much of him since (I hear he has
gotten much better as an all-around player), and have not
seen Janin or Tommy play (in person) because I am in the
southeast.
I'm not questioning anyone's inclusion, just saying that
when selecting a team, you are predisposed to go with what
you know, and in general NexGen has done well to cast a wide
net.
same "small-school player not going to D-I nationals"
category.
I was defended by Rehder for a few points his rookie season
('08) but have not seen much of him since (I hear he has
gotten much better as an all-around player), and have not
seen Janin or Tommy play (in person) because I am in the
southeast.
I'm not questioning anyone's inclusion, just saying that
when selecting a team, you are predisposed to go with what
you know, and in general NexGen has done well to cast a wide
net.
Ryan Thompson
May 24, 2012, 8:38:53 AM5/24/12
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played at big boy worlds instead.
Cullen Coyne
May 24, 2012, 10:20:04 AM5/24/12
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Ryan Thompson wrote on Thu, 24 May 2012 05:38
True. But Rehder eventually made 2010 junior worlds team as
well.
In regards to Tommy Li, the teams were chosen before D3
nationals and he was the best player on the team to win it
last year. Giving D3 exposure isn't a bad thing and from
last years results he is the guy to go with, even if you
think he doesn't match up to the other players. Rhys
Lindmark would've been another option.
> On May 23, 5:57 pm, Cullen Coyne
well.
In regards to Tommy Li, the teams were chosen before D3
nationals and he was the best player on the team to win it
last year. Giving D3 exposure isn't a bad thing and from
last years results he is the guy to go with, even if you
think he doesn't match up to the other players. Rhys
Lindmark would've been another option.
sam
May 24, 2012, 2:51:56 PM5/24/12
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Quote:
anyone know the statistics of AUDL attendance VS the number
of people at NexGen games. They seem a similar marketing
format (one game+pay to watch). Was attendance recorded at
NexGen games/ is AUDL attendance still at the level it was
opening weekend?
> aside from having built in fan bases.
That would actually be an interesting thing to look at, does
anyone know the statistics of AUDL attendance VS the number
of people at NexGen games. They seem a similar marketing
format (one game+pay to watch). Was attendance recorded at
NexGen games/ is AUDL attendance still at the level it was
opening weekend?
Fish
May 24, 2012, 5:55:03 PM5/24/12
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Jacob Janin FTW!
George Zimmerman
May 28, 2012, 12:35:04 AM5/28/12
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you say tommy li had 16 turnovers like thats bad for a top
10 assists player. the top ten assist throwers at DIII nats
had (on average) 28.2 turnovers each. in fact, tommy li had
the least turnovers out of any player in the top 10 in
assists.
10 assists player. the top ten assist throwers at DIII nats
had (on average) 28.2 turnovers each. in fact, tommy li had
the least turnovers out of any player in the top 10 in
assists.
Daddy
May 28, 2012, 7:05:04 AM5/28/12
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Norden from Carleton deserves to be added.
Jordan
May 28, 2012, 8:35:03 PM5/28/12
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I think both the Nordens are playing with Canada's mixed
nationals team at Worlds in Japan this summer, which is
likely why you don't see either of them on the Nexgen
roster.
nationals team at Worlds in Japan this summer, which is
likely why you don't see either of them on the Nexgen
roster.
homrbush
May 29, 2012, 12:05:05 AM5/29/12
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That is correct, both Norden brothers are on the Canadian
Mixed squad, which will be at Poultry Days, and should be
the favourite for gold at WUGC.
Mixed squad, which will be at Poultry Days, and should be
the favourite for gold at WUGC.
oherro
May 29, 2012, 11:20:04 AM5/29/12
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Who's the 15th?
suss23
Jul 10, 2012, 12:30:08 AM7/10/12
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Any word on who that 15th player is?
NexGen Ultimate
Jul 10, 2012, 6:55:04 AM7/10/12
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Chris Kocher.
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Zack
Jul 20, 2012, 11:04:38 PM7/20/12
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Tommy Li:
3 assists, 1 goal, 1 turn, several sweet breaks. 0 travels
Haters. Gonna. Hate.
3 assists, 1 goal, 1 turn, several sweet breaks. 0 travels
Haters. Gonna. Hate.
Slade
Jul 21, 2012, 1:20:05 AM7/21/12
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Report from Colorado:
NexGen looked like... they hadn't played together yet. After
going up 2-1, Bravo scores 7 in a row to take half. NexGen
was able to slow down Bravo's team game but were unable to
cover the quick handler movement. Josh Ackley in particular
was very effective at shredding the young all stars with
quick give and go's, fire cuts, etc. Hylke Sneider (sp?) was
the primary downfield threat.
Nex Gen closed to within 4 before the home team pulled away
again at the end. I expect the learning curve for NexGen
2012 will be steep.
Player notes:
-Nick Lance and Matt Rehder were not in attendance.
-Jimmy Mickle struggled against his club teammates, having
trouble keeping up on D and throwing several turnovers.
-Tommy Li had a pair of sweet backhand hucks in the second
half, first to Alex Thorne, and then to #1 (Jacob Janin?).
-Camden Allison-Hall had a pair of unfortunate drops,
including a sweet 50 yd hammer from Thorne early in the
first half.
NexGen looked like... they hadn't played together yet. After
going up 2-1, Bravo scores 7 in a row to take half. NexGen
was able to slow down Bravo's team game but were unable to
cover the quick handler movement. Josh Ackley in particular
was very effective at shredding the young all stars with
quick give and go's, fire cuts, etc. Hylke Sneider (sp?) was
the primary downfield threat.
Nex Gen closed to within 4 before the home team pulled away
again at the end. I expect the learning curve for NexGen
2012 will be steep.
Player notes:
-Nick Lance and Matt Rehder were not in attendance.
-Jimmy Mickle struggled against his club teammates, having
trouble keeping up on D and throwing several turnovers.
-Tommy Li had a pair of sweet backhand hucks in the second
half, first to Alex Thorne, and then to #1 (Jacob Janin?).
-Camden Allison-Hall had a pair of unfortunate drops,
including a sweet 50 yd hammer from Thorne early in the
first half.
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