England has a spine
Will S
have caved in. This pommy side isn't the best in World Cricket but it has
to be the gutsiest and I am really looking forward to the Ashes in
Australia
Congratulations to England
btw: if they manage to win this series they have to be rated Number 2
Jellore
More than a spine, they are a real team with fantastic spirit. All it
needs now is KP to come to the party. He still looks out of sorts.
Will S
"Jellore" <jel...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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The player who I thought had huge mental problems when playing Test cricket
was Bell. Definitely he had talent but the mental side was unstable and in
the 1st Test he looked bad. He has come good in the last 2 Tests and with
the confidence gained from that he can go on and be a huge asset to England
Ben Gussey
Thanks in no small part to Paul Collingwood. He is probably the
batsman in world cricket at the moment that I admire most, along with
Kallis. Both are consumate professionals and often under-estimated due
to the no-frills nature of their batting.
The biggest testament to Collingwood is that he averages 7 runs more
in Test cricket than FC. It just shows his willingness to adapt to a
higher level and fight every step of the way.
Robert Henderson
<d062b0e0-16f3-4c6f...@o28g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
Jellore <jel...@bigpond.com> writes
>More than a spine, they are a real team with fantastic spirit. All it
>needs now is KP to come to the party. He still looks out of sorts.
All it needs now is for Trott and Pietersen to be booted out and Key and
Blackwell to be brought in.... RH
--
Robert Henderson
Personal website: http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk
Jellore
wrote:
> In message
> <d062b0e0-16f3-4c6f-910c-983a6ac96...@o28g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
> Jellore <jell...@bigpond.com> writes
>
> >More than a spine, they are a real team with fantastic spirit. All it
> >needs now is KP to come to the party. He still looks out of sorts.
>
> All it needs now is for Trott and Pietersen to be booted out and Key and
> Blackwell to be brought in.... RH
> --
> Robert Henderson
> Personal website:http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk
Ain't gonna happen Bobby.
Will S
"Robert Henderson" <phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In message
> <d062b0e0-16f3-4c6f...@o28g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
> Jellore <jel...@bigpond.com> writes
>>More than a spine, they are a real team with fantastic spirit. All it
>>needs now is KP to come to the party. He still looks out of sorts.
>
> All it needs now is for Trott and Pietersen to be booted out and Key and
> Blackwell to be brought in.... RH
please, pretty pretty please
especially for the Ashes
Richard Dixon
> please, pretty pretty please
> especially for the Ashes
Thankfully for England and unfortunately for Australia, Robert doesn't
pick the side. He's had some corkers in there in his Bedsit XI - Fatty
Blackwell, Fatty Key, the incomparable Rikki Clarke...
Richard
lk
"Will S" <wi...@nomail.com.au> wrote in message
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I'm beginning to agree. Even Bell (and I've long been a critic of his) is
beginning
to stand up and be counted. Indeed it could be a great ashes series this
year.
I'll add one rider to this - let us not forget SAF's track record of not
being able to
deliver when the pressure's on. I don't think we could accuse them of
choking here
-after all one of their quicks could only bowl 12 overs yesterday - but even
so
for the last pair to handle 19 balls - I doubt whether enforcers like
Flintoff, Merv
Hughes, Shane Warne or Curtly Ambrose would have "allowed" it to happen if
they were bowling.
Richard Dixon
> I doubt whether enforcers like
> Flintoff, Merv
> Hughes, Shane Warne or Curtly Ambrose would have "allowed" it to happen if
> they were bowling.
The look of surprise on Morkel's face when he got Bell suggested to me
was wasn't exactly backing himself to get a wicket.
Richard
mike
>
> news:03565015$0$1352$c3e...@news.astraweb.com...
>
> > In the last 12 months they have held on for 3 draws when past teams would
> > have caved in. This pommy side isn't the best in World Cricket but it has
> > to be the gutsiest and I am really looking forward to the Ashes in
> > Australia
>
> > Congratulations to England
>
hmm. another way of looking at this:
this is the 2nd time they have got to a seemingly safe position
with the last session to go, and then had to play out the last ball
to avoid losing. In the 1st they were 200-3 ended up 226-9 (ish)
then in this one they were 270-5, ended 296-9.
then there is their habit of putting the opposition in on
flat wickets. englands bowlers arnt the 1980s windies
attack. I think if england keep doing this
south africa will get it together and
flatten england like oz did at headingley.
mike
HVS
P'raps. If the Headingly pattern had held, though, shouldn't this
have been the test that SA did that?
(And even if SA take the final test, it'll only be a consolation
prize: they should really be going into the 4th test either level,
or even 2-1 up.)
--
Cheers,
Harvey
**MattO**
IMO Pietersen will very soon become a freelance 20/20 player.
Jan Buxton
> The biggest testament to Collingwood is that he averages 7 runs more
> in Test cricket than FC. It just shows his willingness to adapt to a
> higher level and fight every step of the way.
If you take away his Test runs, his FC average is 34, so that would be 9
more.
--
Jan
eusebius
He is certainly one who makes use of every last drop of his (seemingly
limited) ability at test level.
Jellore
Just to remind you Mike it was England who won the 2009 Ashes, despite
the Headingley debacle, and in terms of teams being flattened in the
present RSA-Eng series, well need I remind you of the Durban result?
Whatever happens at Joburg, SA can't win this series.
chris....@gmail.com
I've always been keen on Blackwell, he's a canny cricketer. His
success at Durham this year was good to see. I also like to see the
occasional lardarse cricketer, it makes the game more fun.
Now I have to cope with the fact that I've agreed with the imbecile
Henderson on something, even if it is for different reasons.
--
Chris Weston
Mike Holmans
<chris....@gmail.com> tapped the keyboard and brought forth:
>I've always been keen on Blackwell, he's a canny cricketer. His
>success at Durham this year was good to see. I also like to see the
>occasional lardarse cricketer, it makes the game more fun.
>
>Now I have to cope with the fact that I've agreed with the imbecile
>Henderson on something, even if it is for different reasons.
Yes, but you probably think we should still be picking Dominic Cork.
Anyway, where would Fatwell fit into the XI?
Cheers,
Mike
--
chris....@gmail.com
> On Sat, 9 Jan 2010 01:54:12 -0800 (PST), "chris.wes...@gmail.com"
> <chris.wes...@gmail.com> tapped the keyboard and brought forth:
>
> >I've always been keen on Blackwell, he's a canny cricketer. His
> >success at Durham this year was good to see. I also like to see the
> >occasional lardarse cricketer, it makes the game more fun.
>
> >Now I have to cope with the fact that I've agreed with the imbecile
> >Henderson on something, even if it is for different reasons.
>
> Yes, but you probably think we should still be picking Dominic Cork.
Of course I support Cork's reselection, but only to keep you on the
boil.
>
> Anyway, where would Fatwell fit into the XI?
>
I don't think there's anywhere for Blackwell in this current team, but
if Swann were to be injured... I'm a fan of Blackwell's bowling, I
don't think he's anything particularly special as a spinner, he's just
a canny cricketer who has can land the ball where he wants to most of
the time and gets a bit of turn. That's pretty much my opinion of
Swann, too.
I was disappointed with Blackwell's Test debut, he bowled tripe - but
he seems to have pulled himself together since then.
The spin alternatives seem to be Rashid, who I don't think is up to it
yet, Monty who I think has shot his bolt, and who? I do have high
hopes for the two young leggies Beer and Waller but they're a couple
of years away from this sort of level.
--
Chris Weston
Robert Henderson
<d4297362-c6de-4847...@r24g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
"chris....@gmail.com" <chris....@gmail.com> writes
>
>I don't think there's anywhere for Blackwell in this current team,
Bats six. RH
> but if Swann were to be injured... I'm a fan of Blackwell's bowling,
>I don't think he's anything particularly special as a spinner, he's
>just a canny cricketer who has can land the ball where he wants to most
>of the time and gets a bit of turn. That's pretty much my opinion of
>Swann, too.
>
>I was disappointed with Blackwell's Test debut, he bowled tripe - but
>he seems to have pulled himself together since then.
>
>The spin alternatives seem to be Rashid,
Bowls two bad balls an over at least. RH
> who I don't think is up to it yet, Monty who I think has shot his
>bolt, and who? I do have high hopes for the two young leggies Beer and
>Waller but they're a couple of years away from this sort of level.
>
Try Tredwell and Wainwright. RH
>--
>Chris Weston
Jellore
wrote:
"Canny cricketers" don't get 50 plus Test wickets in a calender year.
Your assessment of Swann leaves a lot be desired.
Mike Holmans
<chris....@gmail.com> tapped the keyboard and brought forth:
>I don't think there's anywhere for Blackwell in this current team, but
>if Swann were to be injured...
... the selectors would call up Tredwell, as they did earlier in the
series.
> I'm a fan of Blackwell's bowling, I
>don't think he's anything particularly special as a spinner, he's just
>a canny cricketer who has can land the ball where he wants to most of
>the time and gets a bit of turn. That's pretty much my opinion of
>Swann, too.
>
>I was disappointed with Blackwell's Test debut, he bowled tripe - but
>he seems to have pulled himself together since then.
>
>The spin alternatives seem to be Rashid, who I don't think is up to it
>yet, Monty who I think has shot his bolt, and who? I do have high
>hopes for the two young leggies Beer and Waller but they're a couple
>of years away from this sort of level.
I don't disagree with those assessments, apart from thinking that "a
couple" is wildly optimistic, but that still doesn't mean that we
should pander to the loathsome imbecile's desires for Fatwell.
Cheers,
Mike
--
Maxx
wrote:
> In message
> <d4297362-c6de-4847-b70a-6cb0023cb...@r24g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
> "chris.wes...@gmail.com" <chris.wes...@gmail.com> writes
>
>
>
> >I don't think there's anywhere for Blackwell in this current team,
>
> Bats six. RH
So you'd drop Bell?
> > but if Swann were to be injured... I'm a fan of Blackwell's bowling,
> >I don't think he's anything particularly special as a spinner, he's
> >just a canny cricketer who has can land the ball where he wants to most
> >of the time and gets a bit of turn. That's pretty much my opinion of
> >Swann, too.
>
> >I was disappointed with Blackwell's Test debut, he bowled tripe - but
> >he seems to have pulled himself together since then.
>
> >The spin alternatives seem to be Rashid,
>
> Bowls two bad balls an over at least. RH
Wow! An actual cricket assessment of an "unallowed". I'm impressed
Robbo, keep it up!
> > who I don't think is up to it yet, Monty who I think has shot his
> >bolt, and who? I do have high hopes for the two young leggies Beer and
> >Waller but they're a couple of years away from this sort of level.
>
> Try Tredwell and Wainwright. RH
Pity you didn't give Imran Tahir a go. Let's see how he does for SA
when he's allowed.
Robert Henderson
<mi...@jackalope.demon.co.uk> writes
>I don't disagree with those assessments, apart from thinking that "a
>couple" is wildly optimistic, but that still doesn't mean that we
>should pander to the loathsome imbecile's desires for Fatwell.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Mike
Note the classic liberal bigot behaviour of substituting vulgar abuse
for argument.... RH
Bob Dubery
> I don't disagree with those assessments, apart from thinking that "a
> couple" is wildly optimistic, but that still doesn't mean that we
> should pander to the loathsome imbecile's desires for Fatwell.
It's not so much the desire for Blackwell as the impulse that informs
that desire.
I'd agree with you on this. And I'll add that you never get anything
like a sensible debate from an ideologue, which is what Henderson is.
His desire for ethnic purity overrides all else.
chris....@gmail.com
Depends on your definition of 'canny'.
I think Swann has done tremendously well. I have been very impressed
with him and delighted that a player that I have always rated has made
the grade. I'm also sure that the biggest difference between success
and failure at the highest level is made between the ears, and Swann
has developed into a canny cricketer. He is good enough to be at the
top table as far as talent goes, but he's nothing special beyond
that. He's a lot better than many of the turkeys that England have
picked, but the likes of Dawson, Batty and Patel really never stood a
chance.
--
Chris Weston
chris....@gmail.com
> On Sat, 9 Jan 2010 23:15:01 -0800 (PST), "chris.wes...@gmail.com"
> <chris.wes...@gmail.com> tapped the keyboard and brought forth:
>
> >I don't think there's anywhere for Blackwell in this current team, but
> >if Swann were to be injured...
>
> ... the selectors would call up Tredwell, as they did earlier in the
> series.
They would, but I wouldn't. That's really my point.
>
> > I'm a fan of Blackwell's bowling, I
> >don't think he's anything particularly special as a spinner, he's just
> >a canny cricketer who has can land the ball where he wants to most of
> >the time and gets a bit of turn. That's pretty much my opinion of
> >Swann, too.
>
> >I was disappointed with Blackwell's Test debut, he bowled tripe - but
> >he seems to have pulled himself together since then.
>
> >The spin alternatives seem to be Rashid, who I don't think is up to it
> >yet, Monty who I think has shot his bolt, and who? I do have high
> >hopes for the two young leggies Beer and Waller but they're a couple
> >of years away from this sort of level.
>
> I don't disagree with those assessments, apart from thinking that "a
> couple" is wildly optimistic,
That was a figurative couple. You should know this by now.
> but that still doesn't mean that we
> should pander to the loathsome imbecile's desires for Fatwell.
>
Yes, I know. However, I don't see why my long-standing affection
for Big Fat Ian should be usurped by Barmy Bob's weird gibberings. I
was there first.
--
Chris Weston
DT_CFC
"Mike Holmans" <mi...@jackalope.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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Besides, Blackwell is fatter than Patel and Patel got turned down for
fitness reasons.
Robert Henderson
<961b52f5-a4a2-4ca5...@m3g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>, Maxx
<sc...@executivemail.co.za> writes
>>
>>
>> >I don't think there's anywhere for Blackwell in this current team,
>>
>> Bats six. RH
>
>So you'd drop Bell?
Nope. Pietersen and Trott go out, Key and Blackwell come in. RH
Robert Henderson
<3fde170d-ce23-4768...@f5g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>, Bob
Dubery <mega...@gmail.com> writes
>you never get anything like a sensible debate from an ideologue
Such as a liberal bigot you mean? RH
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> "Jellore" <jell...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>
> news:d062b0e0-16f3-4c6f...@o28g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Jan 8, 9:41 am, "Will S" <wi...@nomail.com.au> wrote:
> >> In the last 12 months they have held on for 3 draws when past teams would
> >> have caved in. This pommy side isn't the best in World Cricket but it
> >> has
> >> to be the gutsiest and I am really looking forward to the Ashes in
> >> Australia
>
> >> Congratulations to England
>
>
> > needs now is KP to come to the party. He still looks out of sorts.
>
> was Bell. Definitely he had talent but the mental side was unstable and in
> the 1st Test he looked bad. He has come good in the last 2 Tests and with
> the confidence gained from that he can go on and be a huge asset to England
well, that was typically shortsighted of you. some of us have been
rating him highly here for a while.
Maxx
Ah yes, the "bounded mind"
Jellore
Canny to me describes someone who makes most of their limited ability.
I don't feel that Swann fits that mould. To me he is now just
beginning to realise his vast potential after a decade of strolling.
chris....@gmail.com
Ah, well. There you go. Warne was a very canny cricketer. You're
struggling with the language a bit.
--
Chris Weston
Jellore
Don't think so Chris. I would never describe Warne as canny, he was a
one-off genius with the ball in hand.
BTW I might live in Australia, however my homeland is southern
Scotland, northern England where the word canny derives from and is
used in everyday speech.
Mike Holmans
<jel...@bigpond.com> tapped the keyboard and brought forth:
>BTW I might live in Australia, however my homeland is southern
>Scotland, northern England where the word canny derives from and is
>used in everyday speech.
Yes, and your use of "canny" is different to that of those south of
Wearside. Warne was canny in your sense, but not in the southern
sense, and Swann is canny in the southern sense for sure and may yet
prove canny in the northern one too.
Cheers,
Mike
--
Jellore
> On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:31:29 -0800 (PST), Jellore
Maybe so Mike, however I still baulk at Chris's argument that Swann is
making good use of his "limited ability".
Robert Henderson
<79f48c44-0e5a-4e6e...@k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
Jellore <jel...@bigpond.com> writes
>my homeland is southern Scotland, northern England
Only one can be your homeland. Which is it? RH
Robert Henderson
<mi...@jackalope.demon.co.uk> writes
>>BTW I might live in Australia, however my homeland is southern
>>Scotland, northern England where the word canny derives from and is
>>used in everyday speech.
>
>Yes, and your use of "canny" is different to that of those south of
>Wearside. Warne was canny in your sense, but not in the southern sense,
>and Swann is canny in the southern sense for sure and may yet prove
>canny in the northern one too.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Mike
>--
There is another form of canny in Scotchland, as in "I cannae understond
wi t'Anglish arenae gi'in' us merr of thare money..." RH