Carl Llewellyn Hooper (aka Attn: Joshua Saunders :-) )
Rohan Chandran
This one's just for you, Josh :-)
Over the years, you and others repeatedly harped on about what a clown
Carl Hooper is. Today on irc, I was asked what his average over the
last 2 years was. Around 50, I responded. "Rubbish," "No way," and
"yeah, sure," were among the featured responses (or words to that
effect at any rate). So I went away and checked the stats.. And lo and
behold, here's what we found:
Since May 1st, 1993 (that's nearly FOUR years ago), Carl Hooper has
scored
178*, 29*, 62,
28, 23, 81, 67, 43, 20,
60, 16, 11, 21, 23, 13,
0, 73*, 40, 14, 40, 16, 0, 127,
102, 23, 27, 57, 7, 27*, 17, 45, 57,
129, 12*
That is 1488 runs in 29 completed innings at an average of:
51.31
Even *I* was surprised by this! And to think that throughout this
period, you've been calling him a clown!
I think the figures speak for themselves. He may not be emulating
Steve Waugh, but it is laughable to suggest that he has been emulating
Aravinda de Silva. Over a period of FOUR years, he has averaged over
50. There are *not* very many batsmen who can claim this honour. And
*none* of them can claim to be even remotely as classy as Hoops.
I hereby rest my case in defense of Carl Llewellyn Hooper. The above
stats speak for themselves.
with fondest regards to the Hooper-bashers of this newsgroup,
Rohan.
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Shen Jackson
Rohan Chandran (ro...@Xenon.Stanford.EDU) wrote:
: This one's just for you, Josh :-)
The numbers speak for themselves, Hooper has turned the corner
from the late eighties early 1990's when his Test average was just over
20. He's one of the elite batsmen in the world and most consistent.
Notice that he's only scored 2 ducks in 4 years, and didn't get to feast
on the New Zealand bowling that all other WI batsmen enjoyed twice in
that time frame. Now, if the WI had only carried him to the World Cup...
: Over the years, you and others repeatedly harped on about what a clown
Joshua Saunders
In article <5gctnn$b...@nntp.Stanford.EDU>,
>Carl Hooper is. Today on irc, I was asked what his average over the
>last 2 years was. Around 50, I responded. "Rubbish," "No way," and
>"yeah, sure," were among the featured responses (or words to that
Ahem? Not from me...
>effect at any rate). So I went away and checked the stats.. And lo and
>behold, here's what we found:
>
>Since May 1st, 1993 (that's nearly FOUR years ago), Carl Hooper has
>scored
>
BTW what's wrong with starting it at the beginning of 1993? Don't worry
you don't have to anser, becaue I already know why. :-)
>178*, 29*, 62,
>28, 23, 81, 67, 43, 20,
>60, 16, 11, 21, 23, 13, ~
>0, 73*, 40, 14, 40, 16, 0, ~ - this being the series he was going to
score a century at opener.
127, and not in the mid order out of an innings of 700.
And he's not made the Clown XI since. To my chagrin, but there you go.
>102, 23, 27, 57, 7, 27*, 17, 45, 57,
>129, 12*
>That is 1488 runs in 29 completed innings at an average of:
>
>51.31
>
>Even *I* was surprised by this! And to think that throughout this
>period, you've been calling him a clown!
>
Actually the times he's been called a clown I've marked with ~'s.
>I think the figures speak for themselves. He may not be emulating
>Steve Waugh, but it is laughable to suggest that he has been emulating
>Aravinda de Silva. Over a period of FOUR years
Yeah, IIRC even Rutherford had his average in the 40's for a couple of
yeras. I clearly recall NZ fans telling why his debut series was the
reason for a career average in the high 20s. Then his form went away again
and so did he. for good.
Steve Waugh and Hoops are an interesting comparison point though. Both
debuted mid-late 80s, both took averages in the low 30s into 93. Since
then SWaugh has averaged somethign around 80, taken his career average to
over 50, and generally repaid the faith the selectors whoed in him. Hoops
is still in the mid 30s, which at the very least suggests he's a below par
batsman in a decent team. What it really means is that Hooper has not
repaid the investment in him yet.
, he has averaged over
>50. There are *not* very many batsmen who can claim this honour. And
>*none* of them can claim to be even remotely as classy as Hoops.
Zzzz. Not even Azhar? Ramps, surely? I thought Ramps had the best
technique in all England (like Hoops doesn't live there?).
>I hereby rest my case in defense of Carl Llewellyn Hooper. The above
>stats speak for themselves.
My point remains the same. CArl Hooper has a career average that is
currently struggling up through the mid 30s. Whatever he's done in the
last 4 years, has he really paid back the WI selectors who placed him in
the champion WI team of the late 80s? Certainly, and of course he deserves
his spot in the WI team, NOW. For the bulk of his career, he hasn't.
I mean no one even wants to talk about his bowling now, and nor should
they, it's unspeakable. But if they'd known he was going to average 50+
with the ball and mid 30s with the bat, would they have put him in so
early? They might at least have waited till the big guns retired... And if
they'd done that, CH's bright spot might have had more effect on getting
his average to a decent level.
And when he continually let WI down, up to 1993, and again in 94/5, why
was his palce sacrosanct? Esp in 94/5, what was Chanders doing that was so
much more important than playing Australia?
>with fondest regards to the Hooper-bashers of this newsgroup,
Josh (with fondest regards to the people who think the WI selectors are
any good at their job)
Rakesh Vidyadharan
Rohan Chandran wrote:
> Since May 1st, 1993 (that's nearly FOUR years ago), Carl Hooper has
> scored
>
> 178*, 29*, 62,
> 28, 23, 81, 67, 43, 20,
> 60, 16, 11, 21, 23, 13,
> 0, 73*, 40, 14, 40, 16, 0, 127,
> 102, 23, 27, 57, 7, 27*, 17, 45, 57,
> 129, 12*
>
> That is 1488 runs in 29 completed innings at an average of:
>
> 51.31
> Rohan.
I think Hooper is following in Desmond Haynes footsteps. Haynes became
more consistent and reliable as he grew older. The same seems to be the
case with Hooper, with the distinction that Hooper is a much classier
batsman than Haynes was. Anyway, here's one who never tires of watching
Hooper bat (even against India).
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Krishnan
In article 16...@iastate.edu, Rakesh Vidyadharan <rak...@iastate.edu> () writes:
>Rohan Chandran wrote:
>
>> Since May 1st, 1993 (that's nearly FOUR years ago), Carl Hooper has
>> scored
>>
>> 178*, 29*, 62,
>> 28, 23, 81, 67, 43, 20,
>> 60, 16, 11, 21, 23, 13,
>> 0, 73*, 40, 14, 40, 16, 0, 127,
>> 102, 23, 27, 57, 7, 27*, 17, 45, 57,
>> 129, 12*
>>
>> That is 1488 runs in 29 completed innings at an average of:
>>
>> 51.31
>
>> Rohan.
>
>I think Hooper is following in Desmond Haynes footsteps. Haynes became
>more consistent and reliable as he grew older. The same seems to be the
>case with Hooper, with the distinction that Hooper is a much classier
>batsman than Haynes was. Anyway, here's one who never tires of watching
>Hooper bat (even against India).
>--
>
>Rakesh
I was on rediff chat for the second test and mentioned that i wanted to
watch Hooper score a century in a Windies total of about 200.:-)
classy , stylish player. I am glad he has found some consistency now.
ak
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Sid Boyce
Rakesh Vidyadharan wrote:
>
> Rohan Chandran wrote:
>
> > Since May 1st, 1993 (that's nearly FOUR years ago), Carl Hooper has
> > scored
> >
> > 178*, 29*, 62,
> > 28, 23, 81, 67, 43, 20,
> > 60, 16, 11, 21, 23, 13,
> > 0, 73*, 40, 14, 40, 16, 0, 127,
> > 102, 23, 27, 57, 7, 27*, 17, 45, 57,
> > 129, 12*
> >
> > That is 1488 runs in 29 completed innings at an average of:
> >
> > 51.31
>
> > Rohan.
>
> I think Hooper is following in Desmond Haynes footsteps. Haynes became
> more consistent and reliable as he grew older. The same seems to be the
> case with Hooper, with the distinction that Hooper is a much classier
> batsman than Haynes was. Anyway, here's one who never tires of watching
> Hooper bat (even against India).
> --
>
> Rakesh
>
> and last longer."
>
> "The trouble with being lazy is that you work hard today so that you can
> relax tomorrow, and ofcourse the tomorrow never comes."
>
responsibility to do the work, a real blazer in one dayers and stickler
in tests, countless times he bailed West Indies out.
Now, Hooper, I could watch him all day every day, but he seemed early
on to lose it too often, this man should have been by now streets ahead
of anyone who has ever taken up a bat, brilliance personnified when he
clicks. I had what I class as the unique privilege to see him in full
glory 2 tours ago to England, then he lost it.
I can see Lloyd's hand in his recent performance, so hope he keeps it
going.
Viv Richards rated him ahead of anyone else, "the best batsman I've ever
seen" and Lara has often asked "how did you play that shot ?" I've heard
folk in Barbados talk of him making our mighty attack of Marshall,
Garner, Daniel and Clarke look like slow bowlers, marvellous stuff like
going on to the front foot and then late-cutting them for four, they
described him as magestic.
Regards
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David Loh
Rohan Chandran wrote:
> Since May 1st, 1993 (that's nearly FOUR years ago), Carl Hooper has
> scored
>
> 178*, 29*, 62,
> 28, 23, 81, 67, 43, 20,
> 60, 16, 11, 21, 23, 13,
> 0, 73*, 40, 14, 40, 16, 0, 127,
> 102, 23, 27, 57, 7, 27*, 17, 45, 57,
> 129, 12*
>
> That is 1488 runs in 29 completed innings at an average of:
>
> 51.31
Pah, statistics. I notice you chose to start calculating his average
when he scored that big unbeaten hundred. Say you started at his score
of 16 (on the third line). His stats would read 897 runs in 21 completed
innings, average 42.71. Good, but not great.
Now, I'm NOT saying Hooper's not a good bat. My point was that
statistics can be manipulated, to an extent.
Cheers,
Dave
Anthony Swann
On 15 Mar 1997, Rohan Chandran wrote:
# Since May 1st, 1993 (that's nearly FOUR years ago), Carl Hooper has
# scored
[...]
# That is 1488 runs in 29 completed innings at an average of:
#
# 51.31
#
# I think the figures speak for themselves. He may not be emulating
# Steve Waugh, but it is laughable to suggest that he has been emulating
# Aravinda de Silva. Over a period of FOUR years, he has averaged over
# 50. There are *not* very many batsmen who can claim this honour. And
# *none* of them can claim to be even remotely as classy as Hoops.
Except for Steve Waugh, although I'm assuming that you know this already!
;-)
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