Australians are like deer caught in headlights when sledged back - Robin Uthappa
Manoj Misra
'No one in cricket is a saint'
We won't start sledging but we will retaliate - Uthappa
Sriram Veera
March 13, 2008
They said the India-Australia series was a summer of spite but, if you
believe Robin Uthappa, it all began in the Twenty20 World Championship in
South Africa. The Indian team were huddled in a team meeting ahead of the
game against Australia when the way to tackle Australia's aggression came up
for discussion. "We said they [Australians] generally talk a lot," Uthappa
recalls. "We decided that if they start the sledging, we won't sit back and
take it. We will give it back. We won't and didn't initiate anything."
The game was meandering along when Uthappa says he had a look at Matthew
Hayden and was surprised at the response. "I just looked at him and he went,
"What are you looking at? I have played 11 years of international cricket.
Give me some respect." And I thought, 'Here is someone I have been looking
up to for the last eight or nine years and this is the kind of person he
is.' When he said that he became very human to me, like any other mortal. So
I give it to him nowadays.
"Don't get me wrong, I am a massive fan of Hayden. I hold him in a very high
regard. If he had not started it, I would have never started it. He started
it and my regard for him dropped."
That sowed the seeds for what happened during the Tests and, especially, the
subsequent CB Series; the meltdown in behaviour during the Sydney Test and
in its aftermath has passed into cricket infamy. Some of the sledges appear
as simple mind games, some plain funny while a few get personal and abusive.
Uthappa's favourite is one directed at Hayden. "This boy has got an average
of 27," Uthappa recalls Hayden telling his teammates as he walked in to bat.
"Let's bring it down to 20 before he leaves Australia." "I turned around and
told him, 'You know Matt, if you had batted in different positions that I
have batted in you wouldn't even have had the average of 20."'
Uthappa waited for Hayden to come out to bat so he could have a go. "Boys,
here is the person who talks about averages but he has hardly won any games
for his country." And, on a funnier note: "Here is the guy who has hardly
any hair but does head and shoulders ads."
It wasn't all funny, he concedes; a few sledges got personal and abusive.
"It does get personal but it doesn't have to. Sledging is an art; you don't
have to use abusive language. The best sledging happens when you don't
abuse."
How did the sledging affect the players? Uthappa believes it did work
against the Australians. "These little things that you say really ticks them
off. They don't expect us to retaliate and, when we do, they don't know what
to do. You can make out that it's affecting them. You can pick cues,
especially with Ponting. When he came out to bat, we would say, 'There's an
edge coming across. It's just a matter of time.' With Symonds, it would be
pretty much about his hair, with Adam Gilchrist, it was about him having a
good farewell."
Did the vitiated atmosphere in the middle affect relations off the field?
Not to the full extent, Uthappa says, though he traces change in personal
equations from before the tour and once the hostility began. "Even with
Symonds, in India, we had a good time. We went out one evening; we went for
a drink and chatted about the game. With Brett Lee, too, there is this
constant sledging between us but off the field we are very good mates. We
end up talking and going out.
"At the end of the CB series I went and met Gilly. I am a great fan of his
and have enjoyed his batting all through his career. I spoke to Lee as well,
met Ricky briefly, and didn't really speak to Hayden. Symonds wasn't around.
I spent around 30 minutes in their dressing room. It was quite good."
With the series done, Uthappa says sledging will be off the agenda - unless
it is against Australia. "We would never initiate it but now I know, if I am
playing Australia I will sledge because I know they won't keep quiet later.
So I might as well start. I'd say the whole team will get aggressive."
To must observers there seems little difference between sledging and abuse
so the question remains of how far the line can be pushed. Uthappa maintains
that the team that fields first draws the line. "If they start sledging,
they draw the line. They can take it as far as they can take it. At what
level they stop, the other team shouldn't cross. They have the right to take
it up to that level."
Ultimately, what will be of concern is the effect of on-field behaviour on
spectators, especially children. To the general feeling that cricketers are
role models and should behave appropriately while on the field, Uthappa
responds by saying it's the parents' responsibility to counsel their
children.
"One has to understand it's a sport. When you are playing sport it
[sledging] is understandable, I think it should be allowed. Fine, it's our
responsibility as well to be well-behaved and I think we do a fairly good
job of it. I think its responsibility of people watching as well to make the
children understand that what level and where you can do some thing like
that."
So will aggression be wired into the DNA of future Indian cricketers?
Uthappa is, again, unambiguous: "It's good for Indian cricket that
aggressive young Indians are coming up. When you see the Aussie youngsters,
or any youngsters for that matter, they are quite brash and come across as
quite confident. I think you need youngsters like that in India. You don't
want quiet boys going out there and playing cricket."
Uthappa pauses before adding, "No one in cricket is a saint."
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> 'No one in cricket is a saint'
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> We won't start sledging but we will retaliate - Uthappa
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India .... we will pack our bags and go home if we dont like the umpire or
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StraightDrive
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> "Manoj Misra" <ManojM...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> http://content-www.cricinfo.com/india/content/current/story/342310.html
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>> 'No one in cricket is a saint'
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>> We won't start sledging but we will retaliate - Uthappa
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> 2 to 1
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> India .... we will pack our bags and go home if we dont like the umpire
> or the match referees decision
>
Robin Uthappa repeated the same I have been saying all along
that you born pussies can never fight on a level playing field.
Robin's Quote about Australian sissies and pussies:
Brijesh
> "Manoj Misra" <ManojMisr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Yes, we won 2-1 in tests and 2-0 in One dayers. So?
dechucka
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Sorry which season which summer?
Gireesh Bhat
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> 'No one in cricket is a saint'
>
> We won't start sledging but we will retaliate - Uthappa
>
> Sriram Veera
>
> March 13, 2008
>
The guy (Uthappa) would do well if he learns to shut his mouth and
concentrate on batting. Sorry, but Hayden has achieved far more as a batsman
than Uthappa currently. Look at Hayden's stats and try to emulate that. Not
his potty mouth. Let your bat do the talking and also learn some humility
from the senior Indian players like Dravid, Sachin, Laxman et al.
Jayen
> "Manoj Misra" <ManojMisr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Hmmm... after spending some time in the recent past saying that
Harbhajan ought to cool it, now I find myself taking the opposite
position in this case. These kind of remarks are fine as long as they
draw a line at the right place.
Sledging does play a role in cricket, except that there are limits.
Sexual references are juvenile and tiring, but Warne's take on the MBE
for Collingwood for 10 runs and a catch (or whatever it was) was quite
funny. There has to be a kernel of truth or else it isn't effective,
so I wonder what the reference to Hayden's not having won a match is
all about. In what way is it true?
And Dravid, Sachin, Laxman et al sledge and sledge quite well. One of
the supposedly effective sledges against the Aussies is the one
against Steve Waugh in 2001 executed by Laxman at slip, Ramesh at
silly-point, Dravid at FSL and Ganguly at BSL. The weak point that
they had identified was Waugh being considered the world's best
batsman and ranked above Lara and SRT. Waugh's achievements were
achieved by sheer bloody-mindedness (good for him), but he didn't have
the breathtaking natural talent of the other two. The problem was that
he did have a bit of a complex about it. The close-in fielders kept
going at him every time he struggled with a variations of "Is this the
world's best batsman?" and say that Waugh was visibly rattled by it.
Though Waugh did average nearly 50 in that series, the Indians claim
that the sledge worked.
Regards,
Jayen
Sanjiv Karmarkar
> The guy (Uthappa) would do well if he learns to shut his mouth and
> concentrate on batting. Sorry, but Hayden has achieved far more as a batsman
> than Uthappa currently. Look at Hayden's stats and try to emulate that. Not
> his potty mouth. Let your bat do the talking and also learn some humility
> from the senior Indian players like Dravid, Sachin, Laxman et al.
You are right of course; Hayden is a great player; Uthappa so far has
been just a pretender. Leaving their cricket prowess aside for a
second, what Uthappa says is absolutely right. Methinks the Aussies
were so not used to getting sledged back that when finally it happened
to them, they simply did not know how to react and started stumbling.
There is no doubt about the fact that Aussies are awesome cricketers
and terrific athletes in general. But many of them are also very
uncouth on the field and it was high time someone gave them a taste of
their own medicine.
And I hope he does not learn 'humility' (is that what you kids are
calling it these days?) from Dravid. We have had enough brown-nosing
brown-sahibs in our cricket history. If you are looking for seniors
Uthappa can emulate, I give you the greatest of them all, a certain
Sunil Manohar Gavaskar. Ganguly would do very well as well; and
contrary to your opinion, SRT is no Dravid - he can give it back just
as well as anyone.
Sanjiv Karmarkar
Sanjiv Karmarkar
> And Dravid, Sachin, Laxman et al sledge and sledge quite well. One of
> the supposedly effective sledges against the Aussies is the one
> against Steve Waugh in 2001 executed by Laxman at slip, Ramesh at
> silly-point, Dravid at FSL and Ganguly at BSL.
Also, don't forget the great sledging technique of Dravid; of going to
the Australian locker and offering beer to the very person who had
mercilessly sledged him earlier. Very brave.
> Though Waugh did average nearly 50 in that series, the Indians claim
> that the sledge worked.
Umm, no. If Waugh averaged 50 in that series; the alleged sledging did
not work.
Sanjiv Karmarkar
Mike Holmans
tapped the keyboard and brought forth:
>On Mar 14, 6:11 am, "Gireesh Bhat" <gi...@nospa.coo> wrote:
>> "Manoj Misra" <ManojMisr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:12054522...@news.usenet.com...>http://content-www.cricinfo.com/india/content/current/story/342310.html
>>
>> > 'No one in cricket is a saint'
>>
>> > We won't start sledging but we will retaliate - Uthappa
>>
>> > Sriram Veera
>>
>> > March 13, 2008
>>
>> <SNIP>
>>
>> The guy (Uthappa) would do well if he learns to shut his mouth and
>> concentrate on batting. Sorry, but Hayden has achieved far more as a batsman
>> than Uthappa currently. Look at Hayden's stats and try to emulate that. Not
>> his potty mouth. Let your bat do the talking and also learn some humility
>> from the senior Indian players like Dravid, Sachin, Laxman et al.
>
>Hmmm... after spending some time in the recent past saying that
>Harbhajan ought to cool it, now I find myself taking the opposite
>position in this case. These kind of remarks are fine as long as they
>draw a line at the right place.
>
>Sledging does play a role in cricket, except that there are limits.
I absolutely agree.
>Sexual references are juvenile and tiring,
"Sorry, Fred, I just couldn't keep my legs together," said a fielder
who had let a ball off Fred Trueman through. Trueman replied, "If your
mother had kept her legs together, we'd all have been better off."
I reckon that's a sexual reference, and I also reckon it's pretty
hilarious.
As was Eddo Brandes's remark "Because every time I fuck your wife she
gives me a biscuit" in reply to Glenn McGrath asking him why he was so
fat.
The only point I'm making is that it would be unwise to try and lay
down some code of things you can and can't mention when making remarks
on the field of play. Racist abuse we can probably all agree to be
beyond the pale, as well as stuff along the lines of "You're gay", but
there's not much else I'd want to outlaw in principle. I'd
particularly want to avoid the idiotic scenario where an umpire can
hardly speak for laughing but is obliged to say "I'm going to have to
report you for that" because of some stupid code of banned
expressions.
Cheers,
Mike
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Jayen
> On Mar 13, 8:30 pm, Jayen <rsc_pos...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > And Dravid, Sachin, Laxman et al sledge and sledge quite well. One of
> > the supposedly effective sledges against the Aussies is the one
> > against Steve Waugh in 2001 executed by Laxman at slip, Ramesh at
> > silly-point, Dravid at FSL and Ganguly at BSL.
>
> Also, don't forget the great sledging technique of Dravid; of going to
> the Australian locker and offering beer to the very person who had
> mercilessly sledged him earlier. Very brave.
"Mercilessly sledged" him? Slater lost his rag, yelled at everybody
and looked like an absolute idiot. The kids in my street would look
down on such behaviour.
Anyway, yet another day, yet another piece of BS. Have you looked up
"Stockholm Syndrome" yet?
Sarwan and McGrath apologised to each other, so Sarwan retained his
self-respect. Slater apologised to Dravid, but Dravid didn't apologise
to Slater. Since there was no mutual apology, Dravid was humiliated.
Why do you stop at Dravid "placated the abuser", "offered a beer (to
him)" etc.? Given that you're hallucinating, just go the whole hog and
claim that Dravid blew him.
> > Though Waugh did average nearly 50 in that series, the Indians claim
> > that the sledge worked.
>
> Umm, no. If Waugh averaged 50 in that series; the alleged sledging did
> not work.
>
Not unless they feel that he would have averaged 75 otherwise :-).
Frequently, you can make out when the batsman is rattled. And after it
started (supposedly midway through the second test), Waugh didn't
cross 50. In a reasonably high-scoring series, that might well be
considered effective.
Regards,
Jayen
Sanjiv Karmarkar
> "Mercilessly sledged" him? Slater lost his rag, yelled at everybody
> and looked like an absolute idiot.
I guess the bullies who beat you up in school also "looked like
idiots". Did you apologize to them as well?
> Have you looked up "Stockholm Syndrome" yet?
Yep. Turns out I'm right and you are wrong. What else is new.
> Sarwan and McGrath apologised to each other, so Sarwan retained his
> self-respect. Slater apologised to Dravid, but Dravid didn't apologise
> to Slater. Since there was no mutual apology, Dravid was humiliated.
That's BS. Only after Dravid went crawling to kiss Slater ass did
Slater offer a token apology.
You are probably a nice guy and all, but all your posts over the last
few days make it apparent that you need a heavy dose of self-esteem.
That's not my job; but perhaps Tony Robbins can help.
Sanjiv Karmarkar
Gireesh Bhat
"Sanjiv Karmarkar" <s_kar...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Mar 13, 8:11 pm, "Gireesh Bhat" <gi...@nospa.coo> wrote:
> The guy (Uthappa) would do well if he learns to shut his mouth and
> concentrate on batting. Sorry, but Hayden has achieved far more as a
> batsman
> than Uthappa currently. Look at Hayden's stats and try to emulate that.
> Not
> his potty mouth. Let your bat do the talking and also learn some humility
> from the senior Indian players like Dravid, Sachin, Laxman et al.
You are right of course; Hayden is a great player; Uthappa so far has
been just a pretender. Leaving their cricket prowess aside for a
second, what Uthappa says is absolutely right. Methinks the Aussies
were so not used to getting sledged back that when finally it happened
to them, they simply did not know how to react and started stumbling.
So you think India outsledged Aus and that is why they won? Seriously?
There is no doubt about the fact that Aussies are awesome cricketers
and terrific athletes in general. But many of them are also very
uncouth on the field and it was high time someone gave them a taste of
their own medicine.
Yeah but what I am saying is Uthappa needs to establish himself as a genuine
class cricketer before talking big. He hit one fifty in the entire series
and he makes excuses like "I was shunted all around".
And I hope he does not learn 'humility' (is that what you kids are
calling it these days?) from Dravid.
Sorry I ain't no kid but Dravid, Tendulkar, Laxman et al gave it back as
good as was dished out to them but they never pompommed the fact that they
did it. That is the humility I was talking about.
We have had enough brown-nosing
brown-sahibs in our cricket history. If you are looking for seniors
Uthappa can emulate, I give you the greatest of them all, a certain
Sunil Manohar Gavaskar. Ganguly would do very well as well; and
contrary to your opinion, SRT is no Dravid - he can give it back just
as well as anyone.
Well, he can start by getting his batting average up and his talking average
down :) We have all seen what Sreesanth does and how childish it is.
Gireesh Bhat
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I never said they did not sledge. I meant that they never beat their chest
saying we gave it back blah blah blah.
Look, Uthappa talks as if he is a great player and all that when in fact he
is yet to even establish his own place in the team. Why concentrate on the
other stuff when he should be correcting his faulty technique?
Mo...@unimail.com.au
> The only point I'm making is that it would be unwise to try and lay
> down some code of things you can and can't mention when making remarks
> on the field of play.
Mike, you know as well as I do that the line in the sand is
"Australians doing it." It has nothing to do with sexual or racial
references, sledging or abuse. The -only- thing it has to do is when
it's an Australian doing it. So we're going to continue to see high-
pitched squeeling about Australia's behaviour by the same people who
engage in ducking, excuses and attacks when their own team get caught.
This page started as some sort of gloating rubbish about Australian
players not being able to cop it. What a load of crap. Australian
players take what they are given fine. What they don't seem to be
able to handle is hypocritical rubbish where they are on the receiving
end *and* they get blamed for it.
Specatators and "fans" can either sledge or complain about sledging,
not both.
And if your team complains until its ears bleed about something
someone else does, but can't be bothered stopping it in themselves
don't be surprised when your team's own Campaign Against Things That
Upset us When Other People Do It To Us (CATTU WOP DITU) comes back to
bite them.
> Racist abuse we can probably all agree to be
> beyond the pale,
You are joking, right? And I give for evidence the replies I'm quite
likely to get to the above, which try to equate sledging with racial
abuse. Racial abuse is only beyond the pale when it's committed by an
Australian.
> as well as stuff along the lines of "You're gay",
I'm looking forward to the first openly gay international cricketer.
I'm not sure the one that pops first into mind really counts as
properly "open." No, I take that back - that's unfair to the
individual concerned. Perhaps what I'm looking forward to is the
first aggressively gay international cricketer. There's just too many
double entendres for that not to be funny... can we teach Julian
Cleary to play cricket, perhaps.. or that large fellow from America's
Top Model? He'd be good value.
> but
> there's not much else I'd want to outlaw in principle. I'd
> particularly want to avoid the idiotic scenario where an umpire can
> hardly speak for laughing but is obliged to say "I'm going to have to
> report you for that" because of some stupid code of banned
> expressions.
I think most people with half a brain can work out that, Mike. But,
as I said, we both know that's not what the punters want.
Why don't we just introduce a ruling whereby India must always be #1
and any team that ends up as #1 must immediately forfeit all matches,
all match fees accrued while #1 and have a random three players
suspended for the six months.
That might keep them happy.
Moby
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David North
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... nothing of relevance to uk.sport.cricket.
Do us a favour and cut out the cross-posting.
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dechucka
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> ... nothing of relevance to uk.sport.cricket.
UK cricket is not relevant
Mo...@unimail.com.au
On Mar 14, 8:54 am, "Manoj Misra" <ManojMisr...@yahoo.com> didn't
write, blissfully ignored copyright to bring us:
> http://content-www.cricinfo.com/india/content/current/story/342310.html
>
> 'No one in cricket is a saint'
>
> We won't start sledging but we will retaliate - Uthappa
>
> Sriram Veera
>
> March 13, 2008
>
> They said the India-Australia series was a summer of spite but, if you
> believe Robin Uthappa, it all began in the Twenty20 World Championship in
> South Africa.
Yes, of -coooourse- that's when it all started. What? No, of course
not, all those other times they said they were going to try to do it
don't count. What a load of rubbish. It only counts when we can
claim it worked.
Huh?
You say that claiming something works after one or two successes when
you've tried it every time for the last 50 doesn't hold much water?
Bah! "Poo", I say, "Poo, poo."
Clearly, the Indian cricket team started to "give it back" to the
Australian side in the very first competition they'd won against the
Australian side for years and all the other instances in the past when
they claimed they would try to do the same thing should be ignored.
Right. Got it.
> The Indian team were huddled in a team meeting ahead of the
> game against Australia when the way to tackle Australia's aggression came up
> for discussion. "We said they [Australians] generally talk a lot," Uthappa
> recalls. "We decided that if they start the sledging, we won't sit back and
> take it. We will give it back. We won't and didn't initiate anything."
pmsl. What a load of bullshit. If any other player said something as
self-indulgent as this before finishing like this article does, they'd
be laughed at. I don't think Uthappa should be an exception.
> The game was meandering along when Uthappa says he had a look at Matthew
> Hayden and was surprised at the response. "I just looked at him and he went,
> "What are you looking at? I have played 11 years of international cricket.
> Give me some respect." And I thought, 'Here is someone I have been looking
> up to for the last eight or nine years and this is the kind of person he
> is.'
Someone who thinks it's a bit rude being stared at? Gosh. What an ab-
so-lute baastard. Let us burn Hayden in effigy for this effront to
decent manners!
> When he said that he became very human to me, like any other mortal. So
> I give it to him nowadays.
Which gets us to the point of being able to say that he didn't start
it. Yes, we get it. We're already very well aware of what you're
allowed to say "starts" things and what others are not.
> "Don't get me wrong, I am a massive fan of Hayden. I hold him in a very high
> regard.
But you just said you didn't, Uthappa. Let me remind you
""And I thought, 'Here is someone I have been looking
up to for the last eight or nine years and this is the
kind of person he is.'""
Yup, that's what you wrote. Doesn't sound like you have a lot of
regard for him now. Nothing wrong with that, of course. But claiming
otherwise, well, that's just not being very honest with yourself, is
it? I wouldn't want you to be less than honest with yourself now.
> If he had not started it, I would have never started it. He started
> it and my regard for him dropped."
Ahh, the opposite of the compliment sandwich I see: a compliment
surrounded by two complaints. Don't worry. We the readers promise
not to take the compliment to heart.
Notice what "started" it, of course. Hayden objected to being stared
and and stated he deserved respect because he'd been playing for 11
years. This is "starting" it. I shall endeavour not to indicate to
Uthappa that he's accidentally stood on my foot and the sky is blue,
lest I be "starting" it.
> That sowed the seeds for what happened during the Tests
Not the racial abuse of Symonds in India (by the crowds in the second
instance - Harbi and the crowds only get one free "I didn't know"
excuse - just like Perth vs RSA might be expats, but Sydney and
Melbourne certainly weren't) or BCCI whinging about umpiring decisions
of course. No, of course not. It was actually Hayden saying that
he'd played 11 years of international cricket.
Lo! The greatest insult known to human-kind! "Show me some respect,
I played 11 years of international cricket."
(ok, ok, I know that was probably the writer, but that's what it
amounts to as written. And it's published material - you couldn't
make shit up more ridiculous than the piece I'm replying to.)
> and, especially, the
> subsequent CB Series;
Of course "especially," you didn't win the test series, did you? Oh,
what's that? You didn't even play?
> the meltdown in behaviour during the Sydney Test and
> in its aftermath has passed into cricket infamy.
The writer is, of course, including India in this. He must be. "No
one in cricket is a saint," after all. (can't believe I managed that
with a straight face)... "The writer must be including India" - my
arse.. pmsl. As if the thought even entered his head.
> Some of the sledges appear
> as simple mind games, some plain funny while a few get personal and abusive.
Not the Indian ones, of course. I note with appreciation the
equivalent ability to the one I've developed over the years... you
know.. the one where I stick my fingers in my ears and repeat "la-la-
I can't hear about 1981 Leeds - la-la-la didn't happen - Who's
Botham? la-la."
> Uthappa's favourite is one directed at Hayden. "This boy has got an average
> of 27," Uthappa recalls Hayden telling his teammates as he walked in to bat.
> "Let's bring it down to 20 before he leaves Australia."
Well that would be one that's directed at Uthappa, of course. Hayden,
as we know, averages over 50 in test cricket. I'd say he's done it
after 11 seasons of international cricket, but we must recall that
this is the worst insult known to human kind. I shall excuse the
writer. Who's the subeditor?
> "I turned around and
> told him, 'You know Matt, if you had batted in different positions that I
> have batted in you wouldn't even have had the average of 20."'
Oh dear, you've got him there, Uthappa. I agree. If Matthew Hayden
had batted in as many positions as you had, he'd have been dropped and
stayed dropped long ago for being so crap.
I have to admit though, as comebacks go, that's a pretty good one.
It's hard to reply to a comeback that's a better sledge against the
person saying it that anyone else could possibly come up with.
Hint: Batsmen with averages below 20 don't last in the Australian team
long enough to get another go in a different spot, Hap-boy.
> Uthappa waited for Hayden to come out to bat so he could have a go.
Hayden having started it. Oh, I forgot to ask. Is it just 11 seasons
of international cricket that is insulting, or would 9 or 10 be
insulting too? What about 12.. would that make you keel over? 13?
*bump*.. oh dear. Can I have some smelling salts over here?
But back to the story.. apparently Uthappa was holding this one back
until Hayden came into bat...
> "Boys,
> here is the person who talks about averages but he has hardly won any games
> for his country."
Well that was worth it. Perhaps, Hap-boy, while you were waiting to
deliver this gem, you might have taken some time to confirm it. I
mean, Hayden's not that great at checking facts, but at least he
doesn't hang around waiting to deliver his masterpieces of terrible
research.
But, just in case it helps, Hayden is spelt "H-A-Y-D-E-N", it's not
spelt "U-T-H-A-P-P-A" it's not even spelt "T-E-N-D.." :) Sry, was
that last one too far?
> And, on a funnier note: "Here is the guy who has hardly
> any hair but does head and shoulders ads."
Yes, that's kind of the point. How are your endorsement deals going
Mr "I bat in many places and average less than 20?" Perhaps you can
be the pin-up boy for 7-UP.. or "Blackjack"- because you're hoping to
hit 21 -- at least in that case it will be accurate.
> It wasn't all funny, he concedes;
God, I hope not. If it was all as funny as the one's you've
described, no one would have been able to play cricket. The entire
stadium would have collapsed in mirth-caused incontinence.
> a few sledges got personal and abusive.
> "It does get personal but it doesn't have to. Sledging is an art; you don't
> have to use abusive language. The best sledging happens when you don't
> abuse."
Yes. The best sledging happens when you don't say abusive things like
"I deserve respect because I've played 11 years of international
cricket".. what if he plays 14.
*bump* *bump* oh shit, sorry, I did it again. Medic!
> How did the sledging affect the players? Uthappa believes it did work
> against the Australians.
Of course it did. It was awesome. Perhaps you can do it without the
backing of the ICC, without holding a sword over the head of any
umpire who dares to give a decision against India and without the
threat of going home if your players are accused and found guilty of..
what was it you said ... ahhh, yes "use[ing] abusive language."
> "These little things that you say really ticks them
> off. They don't expect us to retaliate and, when we do, they don't know what
> to do. You can make out that it's affecting them. You can pick cues,
> especially with Ponting. When he came out to bat, we would say, 'There's an
> edge coming across. It's just a matter of time.' With Symonds, it would be
> pretty much about his hair, with Adam Gilchrist, it was about him having a
> good farewell."
Well done. You've worked out what sledging is. Now, about the last
15 years of bullshit we've had to put up from your lot about how
sledging is evil, equals abuse and -must- be stopped... Where are we
up to on that? Where are we up to on the racial abuse we have to
report if it happens? Do let us know. Don't take another 15 years of
international cricket. *bump* *bump* *bump* oh shit.. sorry. Can I
have those paddles? CLEAR!!
> Did the vitiated atmosphere in the middle affect relations off the field?
> Not to the full extent, Uthappa says, though he traces change in personal
> equations from before the tour and once the hostility began. "Even with
> Symonds, in India, we had a good time.
Of course you did. As, I imagine, did the many fans who screamed out
things that they knew to be racially offensive to the man. They just
had a ball.
<snip>
> With the series done, Uthappa says sledging will be off the agenda - unless
> it is against Australia.
Of course. Everyone knows Australia starts it. They started it 16
years of inter.... *bump* *bump* *bump* *bump* hmm.. just leave them
there, I'll pick them up later.
> "We would never initiate it but now I know, if I am
> playing Australia I will sledge because I know they won't keep quiet later.
> So I might as well start. I'd say the whole team will get aggressive."
Uthappa, meet George W. George W, meet Uthappa. You'll get along
well: you're both respected by similar Americans.
> Uthappa pauses before adding, "No one in cricket is a saint."
Of course they aren't. There are no saintly players or saintly crowds
and whatever I've said above should be tempered with the knowledge
that all crowds, fans, players and boards can be just as bad.
But if you're going to say something like this - truly say it and
don't try to pass off your own involvement with things like "they
started it."
No one in cricket is a saint and it's been that way for over 100 years
of in *bump* *bump* *bump* *bump* *bump* *bump* *bump* *bump* *bump*
*bump* *bump* *bump* *bump* *bump* *bump* *bump* *bump* *bump* *bump*
*bump* *bump* *bump* *bump* *bump* *bump* *bump*
.... oh fuck, I might be in trouble here. Please God can someone get
me the WI police.
Moby
Manoj Misra
"Gireesh Bhat" <gi...@nospa.coo> wrote in message
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>
> "Manoj Misra" <ManojM...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:12054522...@news.usenet.com...
>> http://content-www.cricinfo.com/india/content/current/story/342310.html
>>
>> 'No one in cricket is a saint'
>>
>> We won't start sledging but we will retaliate - Uthappa
>>
>> Sriram Veera
>>
>> March 13, 2008
>>
> <SNIP>
>
> The guy (Uthappa) would do well if he learns to shut his mouth and
> concentrate on batting. Sorry, but Hayden has achieved far more as a
> batsman than Uthappa currently.
You must be a gandhian.
When you opponent sledges you, you have the right to sledge back
no matter what and Uthappa did just that. His batting record is irrelevant
to the discussion.
>Look at Hayden's stats and try to emulate that. Not his potty mouth. Let
>your bat do the talking and also learn some humility from the senior Indian
>players like Dravid, Sachin, Laxman et al.
>
Please try to get rid of that gandhian mentality from your mind. It will do
you
a world of good.
Manoj Misra
"Jayen" <rsc_p...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Manoj Misra" <ManojMisr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:12054522...@news.usenet.com...>http://content-www.cricinfo.com/india/content/current/story/342310.html
>
> > 'No one in cricket is a saint'
>
> > We won't start sledging but we will retaliate - Uthappa
>
> > Sriram Veera
>
> > March 13, 2008
>
> <SNIP>
>
> The guy (Uthappa) would do well if he learns to shut his mouth and
> concentrate on batting. Sorry, but Hayden has achieved far more as a
> batsman
> than Uthappa currently. Look at Hayden's stats and try to emulate that.
> Not
> his potty mouth. Let your bat do the talking and also learn some humility
> from the senior Indian players like Dravid, Sachin, Laxman et al.
>>Hmmm... after spending some time in the recent past saying that
>>Harbhajan ought to cool it, now I find myself taking the opposite
>>position in this case.
Perhaps you took the wrong position in Harbhajan's case.
It appears India used Harbhajan to sledge back and it worked great.
Manoj Misra
<Mo...@unimail.com.au> wrote in message
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On Mar 14, 12:04 pm, Mike Holmans <m...@jackalope.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> The only point I'm making is that it would be unwise to try and lay
> down some code of things you can and can't mention when making remarks
> on the field of play.
>>Mike, you know as well as I do that the line in the sand is
>>"Australians doing it." It has nothing to do with sexual or racial
>>references, sledging or abuse. The -only- thing it has to do is when
>>it's an Australian doing it. So we're going to continue to see high-
>>pitched squeeling about Australia's behaviour by the same people who
>>engage in ducking, excuses and attacks when their own team get caught.
Yada yada yada......It was Australians who kept complaining to the match
referee.
>>This page started as some sort of gloating rubbish about Australian
>>players not being able to cop it. What a load of crap. Australian
>>players take what they are given fine. What they don't seem to be
>>able to handle is hypocritical rubbish where they are on the receiving
>>end *and* they get blamed for it.
It was Australians who were hypocritical about being Master Sledgers and
when Indians retaliated Australians went on Air and accused Harbhajan
of being an Obnoxious weed.
It was highly hypocritical of the Match Referee investigating Harbhajan's
remarks while convenienty ignoring Hayden's remarks on the Air about
Harbhajan.
Manoj Misra
> The only point I'm making is that it would be unwise to try and lay
> down some code of things you can and can't mention when making remarks
> on the field of play.
>>Mike, you know as well as I do that the line in the sand is
>>"Australians doing it." It has nothing to do with sexual or racial
>>references, sledging or abuse. The -only- thing it has to do is when
>>it's an Australian doing it. So we're going to continue to see high-
>>pitched squeeling about Australia's behaviour by the same people who
>>engage in ducking, excuses and attacks when their own team get caught.
Yada yada yada......It was Australians who kept complaining to the match
referee.
>>This page started as some sort of gloating rubbish about Australian
>>players not being able to cop it. What a load of crap. Australian
>>players take what they are given fine. What they don't seem to be
>>able to handle is hypocritical rubbish where they are on the receiving
>>end *and* they get blamed for it.
It was Australians who were hypocritical about being Master Sledgers and
when Indians retaliated Australians went on Air and accused Harbhajan
of being an Obnoxious weed.
It was highly hypocritical of the Match Referee investigating Harbhajan's
remarks while convenienty ignoring Hayden's remarks on the Air about
Harbhajan.
Manoj Misra
"Gireesh Bhat" <gi...@nospa.coo> wrote in message
Uthappa didnt claim he is a great player. He said Australian players
can give it to their opponents but cant take it when opponents
sledge back. Very simple.
StraightDrive
"Gireesh Bhat" <gi...@nospa.coo> wrote in message
Gireesh Dude, you are still living in the 20th century India.
Wake up and smell the coffee.
Its the Harbhajans, SreeSanths, Ishant Sharmas and their fighting
attitude that will propel India as a powerhouse, not people like you
who are still caught up in the obsolete gandhian mindset and principles.
StraightDrive
"David North" <dno...@abbeymanor.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote in message
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Its ok dude, you brits can learn about the Aussie pussies too :-))
StraightDrive
<Mo...@unimail.com.au> wrote in message
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lol. No, I take it all back. This is hilarious.
On Mar 14, 8:54 am, "Manoj Misra" <ManojMisr...@yahoo.com> didn't
write, blissfully ignored copyright to bring us:
> http://content-www.cricinfo.com/india/content/current/story/342310.html
>
> 'No one in cricket is a saint'
>
> We won't start sledging but we will retaliate - Uthappa
>
> Sriram Veera
>
> March 13, 2008
>
> They said the India-Australia series was a summer of spite but, if you
> believe Robin Uthappa, it all began in the Twenty20 World Championship in
> South Africa.
>>Yes, of -coooourse- that's when it all started. What? No, of course>>
>>not, all those other times they said they were going to try to do it
>>don't count. What a load of rubbish. It only counts when we can
>>claim it worked.
>>Huh?
>>Moby
I empathize with you for enduring all the pain of losing 1-2 to India
in the CB Series finals and 1-2 (unofficially) in the test series.
I understand how you Aussies feel from your endless rantings
and ravings in the past couple of months.
My condolences to you Moby.
SultanOfSwing
> On Mar 14, 12:04 pm, Mike Holmans <m...@jackalope.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > The only point I'm making is that it would be unwise to try and lay
> > down some code of things you can and can't mention when making remarks
> > on the field of play.
>
> Mike, you know as well as I do that the line in the sand is
> "Australians doing it." It has nothing to do with sexual or racial
> references, sledging or abuse. The -only- thing it has to do is when
> it's an Australian doing it. So we're going to continue to see high-
> pitched squeeling about Australia's behaviour by the same people who
> engage in ducking, excuses and attacks when their own team get caught.
>
> This page started as some sort of gloating rubbish about Australian
> players not being able to cop it. What a load of crap. Australian
> players take what they are given fine. What they don't seem to be
> able to handle is hypocritical rubbish where they are on the receiving
> end *and* they get blamed for it.
You seem to have forgotten the McGrath-Sarwan spat where
McGrath threw a hissy fit when he couldn't take a dose of his
own medicine. McGrath was rightly blamed for initiating the
entire unpleasant exchange.
> Specatators and "fans" can either sledge or complain about sledging,
> not both.
>
> And if your team complains until its ears bleed about something
> someone else does, but can't be bothered stopping it in themselves
> don't be surprised when your team's own Campaign Against Things That
> Upset us When Other People Do It To Us (CATTU WOP DITU) comes back to
> bite them.
I'm sorry, but that's the most stupid acronym I've ever come across
in the history of Usenet. Also which team complained until it's
ears
bled? I heard some statements from Hayden calling Harbhajan a
"little obnoxious weed" and challenging Ishant to a fight in the
boxing ring. Harbhajan and Yuvraj Singh indulged in a bit of shadow
boxing after Hayden's dismissal in the second CB series final. That
moment was priceless. This is probably the best reply one could
give
to a bully like Hayden.
> > Racist abuse we can probably all agree to be
> > beyond the pale,
>
> You are joking, right? And I give for evidence the replies I'm quite
> likely to get to the above, which try to equate sledging with racial
> abuse. Racial abuse is only beyond the pale when it's committed by an
> Australian.
Do you hallucinate in the daytime? Who has equated sledging
with racial abuse? It's all in your fantastic imagination.
> > but
> > there's not much else I'd want to outlaw in principle. I'd
> > particularly want to avoid the idiotic scenario where an umpire can
> > hardly speak for laughing but is obliged to say "I'm going to have to
> > report you for that" because of some stupid code of banned
> > expressions.
>
> I think most people with half a brain can work out that, Mike. But,
> as I said, we both know that's not what the punters want.
>
> Why don't we just introduce a ruling whereby India must always be #1
> and any team that ends up as #1 must immediately forfeit all matches,
> all match fees accrued while #1 and have a random three players
> suspended for the six months.
That's a load of rubbish. Australia is still #1 in both Tests and
ODI's,
though the gap between #1 and #2 is rapidly narrowing, especially
in ODI's.
> That might keep them happy.
>
> Moby
> 2-1
India 1-2 in Tests, 2-1 in ODI's against Australia (CB series).
subi...@notmail.com
> "Australians doing it." It has nothing to do with sexual or racial
> references, sledging or abuse. The -only- thing it has to do is when
> it's an Australian doing it. So we're going to continue to see high-
> pitched squeeling about Australia's behaviour by the same people who
> engage in ducking, excuses and attacks when their own team get caught.
oh poor aussie-waussies, nobody loves them, boohoo.
That might keep them happy.
>
> Moby
> 2-1
9-2, more like.
subi...@notmail.com
> "David North" <dno...@abbeymanor.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote in message
>
> news:63ub0lF...@mid.individual.net...
>
> >news:12054522...@news.usenet.com...
>
> > ... nothing of relevance to uk.sport.cricket.
>
> UK cricket is not relevant
good sledge right here.
Ravi Kumar
Sorry, but Hayden has achieved far more as a batsman
> than Uthappa currently. Look at Hayden's stats and try to emulate that. Not
> his potty mouth.
Hayden is a well-established home wicket bully who scores tonnes of
runs at home, and not that many away. I am not sure that qualifies him
as a role model to emulate from - I would rather he emulated the
batting deeds of SRT, Dravid etc because he is already following
Hayden's behaviour!
Ravi Kumar
Mo...@unimail.com.au
> <M...@unimail.com.au> wrote in message
>
> news:f35b6e91-7d20-49bb...@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 14, 12:04 pm, Mike Holmans <m...@jackalope.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > The only point I'm making is that it would be unwise to try and lay
> > down some code of things you can and can't mention when making remarks
> > on the field of play.
> >>Mike, you know as well as I do that the line in the sand is
> >>"Australians doing it." It has nothing to do with sexual or racial
> >>references, sledging or abuse. The -only- thing it has to do is when
> >>it's an Australian doing it. So we're going to continue to see high-
> >>pitched squeeling about Australia's behaviour by the same people who
> >>engage in ducking, excuses and attacks when their own team get caught.
>
> Yada yada yada......It was Australians who kept complaining to the match
> referee.
There was one complaint by Australia to the match referee and it was
about racial abuse.
And do you know which team's and board's constant complaining about
racial abuse brought about the match referee's insistance that all
instances of racial abuse be reported? The Indian team and the BCCI.
Which is what I said. Constant complaining... something is done about
it... the people who are the ones who do the complaining get caught...
more complaining.
That you can write, with a straight face, that someone reporting
alleged racial abuse is the Australian cricket team's fault is so far
beyond belief as to be laughable.
Amusing, though, to see the Indians complaining about people reporting
alleged racial abuse when they have been, for so long, the very people
campaigning to have this the case.
> >>This page started as some sort of gloating rubbish about Australian
> >>players not being able to cop it. What a load of crap. Australian
> >>players take what they are given fine. What they don't seem to be
> >>able to handle is hypocritical rubbish where they are on the receiving
> >>end *and* they get blamed for it.
>
> It was Australians who were hypocritical about being Master Sledgers and
> when Indians retaliated Australians went on Air and accused Harbhajan
> of being an Obnoxious weed.
I'm sorry, you appear not to know what the word "hypocritical" means.
Please look it up. Being a hypocrite does not mean doing two things
you don't like.
It might have been an inadvised, even silly thing to say, but calling
Harbhajan an obnoxious weed on radio is not inconsistent with
believing that sledging is ok. You can be an obnoxious weed with or
without sledging and the two are not related.
Harbhajan hasn't sledged me once, but I still agree with Hayden. And
between the time Brett Lee did his shoulder and the time Brett Lee
grew up, I could have said the same thing about him. Hayden hasn't
sledged you, but you're quite welcome to both think sledging is ok and
Hayden is rude, or a number of other subjective things.. but not
hypocritical.. because that requires some sort of evidence... and
there is none.
What is hypocritical, however, is to spend years complaining about
sledging and racism and then complaining when someone holds you to
that standard of racism. THAT is hypocritical.
As Mike (and indeed Uthappa) said, racism and sledging are two
different things. But as I said, this is going to be conveniently
ignored when it comes to blaming Australia.
> It was highly hypocritical of the Match Referee investigating Harbhajan's
> remarks while convenienty ignoring Hayden's remarks on the Air about
> Harbhajan.
No, that would be a case of you not knowing what the hell you are
talking about. I can't even begin to start on it, because I need to
have something in your statement to compare to reality. There just
isn't. I can't even suggest somewhere to start reading... although
perhaps the "Spot" books might help.
Moby
Mo...@unimail.com.au
wrote:
> I understand how you Aussies feel from your endless rantings
> and ravings in the past couple of months.
Very droll. And here I was thinking you had no sense of humour.
Moby
Mo...@unimail.com.au
> You seem to have forgotten the McGrath-Sarwan spat where
> McGrath threw a hissy fit when he couldn't take a dose of his
> own medicine. McGrath was rightly blamed for initiating the
> entire unpleasant exchange.
Well that's the thing. I didn't miss it. And wasn't there was a lot
of complaining that not enough was done to McGrath.
That's kind of my -point- SoS. That is - that in the last 15 years,
there's be constant complaining about more being needed to be done
about the sledging and racism of Australians, but when push comes to
shove and things change... well it can't apply to the -Indian- team.
No, of course not. No.. no.. Australians aren't allowed to do what we
wanted to do. That's just not faaaair.
Call the fucking waaaahmbulance.
> > Specatators and "fans" can either sledge or complain about sledging,
> > not both.
>
> > And if your team complains until its ears bleed about something
> > someone else does, but can't be bothered stopping it in themselves
> > don't be surprised when your team's own Campaign Against Things That
> > Upset us When Other People Do It To Us (CATTU WOP DITU) comes back to
> > bite them.
>
> I'm sorry, but that's the most stupid acronym I've ever come across
> in the history of Usenet.
Not good at getting points, are you?
> Also which team complained until it's
> ears
> bled?
Well, to borrow a phrase from you.. I believe you said:
> You seem to have forgotten the McGrath-Sarwan spat where
> McGrath threw a hissy fit when he couldn't take a dose of his
> own medicine. McGrath was rightly blamed for initiating the
> entire unpleasant exchange.
And that's just one of many, many complaints that have been raised in
the past.
But you weren't honest then, were you? You didn't actually mean
"clean cricket up" Because quite clearly, when cricket started to
clean up and your lot got caught, you complained about it. What you
meant was "stop them being nasty to us and let us do what we want."
Well sorry, champ, but it cuts both ways. You want to complain about
behaviour, then don't also complain when the standards of behaviour
rise and your team doesn't rise with them.
You've campaigned for years and years for this. And now you've got
it, you want to have another cry.
> I heard some statements from Hayden calling Harbhajan a
> "little obnoxious weed" and challenging Ishant to a fight in the
> boxing ring.
I'm sorry, I missed the bit where that was a complaint. I can see
that it's aggressive. Yes. I can see it's probably not nice.. yes.
Was it the right thing to say? No, of course not. But neither of
those things was complaining.
> Harbhajan and Yuvraj Singh indulged in a bit of shadow
> boxing after Hayden's dismissal in the second CB series final. That
> moment was priceless. This is probably the best reply one could
> give
> to a bully like Hayden.
Right.. so when Hayden does it, it's bullying, but when the Singh duo
does it, it's priceless. Right. Double standards.. yes, known about
that for years.
I also think that it was a good comeback. I personally think that it
lost a bit of spark since Hayden had just scored a fifty and it just
looks stupid to do that when a batsman has dominated you. But I
certainly would have had no issue with it after the game.
But why is Hayden then a bully and the other two "priceless." Surely
it's all just "part of the entertainment??"
>
> > > Racist abuse we can probably all agree to be
> > > beyond the pale,
>
> > You are joking, right? And I give for evidence the replies I'm quite
> > likely to get to the above, which try to equate sledging with racial
> > abuse. Racial abuse is only beyond the pale when it's committed by an
> > Australian.
>
> Do you hallucinate in the daytime? Who has equated sledging
> with racial abuse? It's all in your fantastic imagination.
The poster I last replied to to name the most recent. You've managed
to avoid it so far.
In case you need an update, I'm talking about the idiots who say that,
because Australian cricketers say sledging is ok, this means they
can't report actions they feel are racist. And sunshine, if you
haven't seen exactly that in spades in the last few months, then it is
you who are hallucinating... either in the night or the daytime.
> > > but
> > > there's not much else I'd want to outlaw in principle. I'd
> > > particularly want to avoid the idiotic scenario where an umpire can
> > > hardly speak for laughing but is obliged to say "I'm going to have to
> > > report you for that" because of some stupid code of banned
> > > expressions.
>
> > I think most people with half a brain can work out that, Mike. But,
> > as I said, we both know that's not what the punters want.
>
> > Why don't we just introduce a ruling whereby India must always be #1
> > and any team that ends up as #1 must immediately forfeit all matches,
> > all match fees accrued while #1 and have a random three players
> > suspended for the six months.
>
> That's a load of rubbish. Australia is still #1 in both Tests and
> ODI's,
> though the gap between #1 and #2 is rapidly narrowing, especially
> in ODI's.
And India are still whinging. So far, I think my suggestion holds.
> > That might keep them happy.
>
> > Moby
> > 2-1
>
> India 1-2 in Tests, 2-1 in ODI's against Australia (CB series).
And you -still- can't accept the umpire's decision.
Like I said to Bharat. You're not interested in cricket, you're
interested in pulling on the Indian creams.
Moby
Mo...@unimail.com.au
> Hayden is a well-established home wicket bully who scores tonnes of
> runs at home, and not that many away. I am not sure that qualifies him
> as a role model to emulate from - I would rather he emulated the
> batting deeds of SRT, Dravid etc because he is already following
> Hayden's behaviour!
Ravi,
Could you point me towards Hayden's average in India
TIA
Moby
Mango
Jayen
<snip wop - that's with out prejudice to you dirty-minded racists>
> Look, Uthappa talks as if he is a great player and all that when in fact he
> is yet to even establish his own place in the team. Why concentrate on the
> other stuff when he should be correcting his faulty technique?
>
If he tries talking too much, he's pretty soon to going to be at the
receiving end of a "Make a 1000 runs in all forms of cricket combined
and then get back to us" or some such remark :-). However, going by
the description in the link, I don't believe that he went too far.
That's sort of the point. Say if once for effect and then keep silent
for some time before you talk again. None of Harbhajan's comments are
particularly outside the pale (if you leave out the contentious one),
it's just that IMO there seem to have been too many of them. The same
goes for Uthappa.
Regards,
Jayen
StraightDrive
"Mango" <Fake...@wherever.com> wrote in message
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>
>
India successfully retaliated to the World Sledging Champions Australia
Dave -Turner
Ravi Kumar
I could - and you can do the same thing on cricinfo - but to make it
simpler, why not look at his home v away record and compare it with
that of SRT and Dravid's relative performance. I referred specifically
to his overwhelmingly strong record at home as against his away record
- as suggested by Cricinfo's recent article titled, rather aptly, home
wicket bully or something like that, which informs us that 21 of his
30 test 100s have come at home.
To pull out his India record to counter a larger point sounds like a
specious argument to me.
Ravi Kumar
dechucka
>
> "Jayen" <rsc_p...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:9b1a76b8-9793-4e6f...@h11g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 14, 6:11 am, "Gireesh Bhat" <gi...@nospa.coo> wrote:
>> "Manoj Misra" <ManojMisr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:12054522...@news.usenet.com...>http://content-www.cricinfo.com/india/content/current/story/342310.html
>>
>> > 'No one in cricket is a saint'
>>
>> > We won't start sledging but we will retaliate - Uthappa
>>
>> > Sriram Veera
>>
>> > March 13, 2008
>>
>> <SNIP>
>>
>> The guy (Uthappa) would do well if he learns to shut his mouth and
>> concentrate on batting. Sorry, but Hayden has achieved far more as a
>> batsman
>> than Uthappa currently. Look at Hayden's stats and try to emulate that.
>> Not
>> his potty mouth. Let your bat do the talking and also learn some humility
>> from the senior Indian players like Dravid, Sachin, Laxman et al.
>
>>>Hmmm... after spending some time in the recent past saying that
>>>Harbhajan ought to cool it, now I find myself taking the opposite
>>>position in this case.
>
>
>
> Perhaps you took the wrong position in Harbhajan's case.
>
> It appears India used Harbhajan to sledge back and it worked great.
so losing 2-1 is working?
Mango
"Dave -Turner" <n...@no.no> wrote in message
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> dont you have a job or go to school or something?
>
Don't you know the meaning of the term irony
>
Ravi Kumar
> "Manoj Misra" <ManojMisr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Jayen" <rsc_pos...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Didn't they lose the finals 2-0?
Ravi Kumar
Mad Hamish
<pprav...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Mar 14, 6:11 am, "Gireesh Bhat" <gi...@nospa.coo> wrote:
>
>Sorry, but Hayden has achieved far more as a batsman
>> than Uthappa currently. Look at Hayden's stats and try to emulate that. Not
>> his potty mouth.
>
>Hayden is a well-established home wicket bully who scores tonnes of
>runs at home, and not that many away.
Hayden at opposition's home
Away 40 74 5 2935 42.53 10 8
neutral
3 4 0 246 61.50 1 1
please name the openers of, say, the last 20 years who've done better
than that.
> I am not sure that qualifies him
>as a role model to emulate from - I would rather he emulated the
>batting deeds of SRT, Dravid etc because he is already following
>Hayden's behaviour!
--
"Hope is replaced by fear and dreams by survival, most of us get by."
Stuart Adamson 1958-2001
Mad Hamish
Hamish Laws
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Jellore
> "Manoj Misra" <ManojMisr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:12054522...@news.usenet.com...
>
> >http://content-www.cricinfo.com/india/content/current/story/342310.html
>
> > 'No one in cricket is a saint'
>
> > We won't start sledging but we will retaliate - Uthappa
>
>
> 2 to 1
>
> 2 to 1
>
> India .... we will pack our bags and go home if we dont like the umpire or
> the match referees decision
>
> 2 to 1
>
> 2 to 1
>
> 2 to 1
>
> India .... we will pack our bags and go home if we dont like the umpire or
> the match referees decision
>
> 2 to 1
>
> 2 to 1
>
> 2 to 1
>
> India .... we will pack our bags and go home if we dont like the umpire or
> the match referees decision
>
> 2 to 1
>
> 2 to 1
>
> 2 to 1
>
> India .... we will pack our bags and go home if we dont like the umpire or
> the match referees decision
>
> 2 to 1
>
> 2 to 1
>
> 2 to 1
>
> India .... we will pack our bags and go home if we dont like the umpire or
> the match referees decision
>
> 2 to 1
>
> 2 to 1
>
> 2 to 1
>
> India .... we will pack our bags and go home if we dont like the umpire or
> the match referees decision
Why are you behaving like the Australian cricketers ? Petulant that
is.
Jellore
> "Manoj Misra" <ManojMisr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:12054522...@news.usenet.com...>http://content-www.cricinfo.com/india/content/current/story/342310.html
>
> > 'No one in cricket is a saint'
>
> > We won't start sledging but we will retaliate - Uthappa
>
>
> > March 13, 2008
>
> <SNIP>
>
> The guy (Uthappa) would do well if he learns to shut his mouth and
> than Uthappa currently. Look at Hayden's stats and try to emulate that. Not
> from the senior Indian players like Dravid, Sachin, Laxman et al.
Agreed regarding batting, however Uthappa has hit the nail on the
head. The Australians just don't do retaliation well, in any sport.
Manoj Misra
<Mo...@unimail.com.au> wrote in message
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On Mar 14, 3:45 pm, "Manoj Misra" <ManojMisr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> <M...@unimail.com.au> wrote in message
>
> news:f35b6e91-7d20-49bb...@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 14, 12:04 pm, Mike Holmans <m...@jackalope.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > The only point I'm making is that it would be unwise to try and lay
> > down some code of things you can and can't mention when making remarks
> > on the field of play.
> >>Mike, you know as well as I do that the line in the sand is
> >>"Australians doing it." It has nothing to do with sexual or racial
> >>references, sledging or abuse. The -only- thing it has to do is when
> >>it's an Australian doing it. So we're going to continue to see high-
> >>pitched squeeling about Australia's behaviour by the same people who
> >>engage in ducking, excuses and attacks when their own team get caught.
>
> Yada yada yada......It was Australians who kept complaining to the match
> referee.
>>(See Mike, less than a few hours)
Indian captain Kumble offered Ponting to resolve the issue among the
players because of the obvious misunderstanding of the words Harbhajan
used.
>>There was one complaint by Australia to the match referee and it was
>>about racial abuse.
It wasn't
>>And do you know which team's and board's constant complaining about
>>racial abuse brought about the match referee's insistance that all
>>instances of racial abuse be reported? The Indian team and the BCCI.
Nothing wrong
>>Which is what I said. Constant complaining... something is done about
>>it... the people who are the ones who do the complaining get caught...
>>more complaining.
>>That you can write, with a straight face, that someone reporting
>>alleged racial abuse is the Australian cricket team's fault is so far
>>beyond belief as to be laughable.
You are a laughable country complaining about the sledging of
the opponents while boasting to the media yourselves about your
own sledging and mental disintegration skills.
>>Amusing, though, to see the Indians complaining about people reporting
>>alleged racial abuse when they have been, for so long, the very people
>>campaigning to have this the case.
Mike Procter was very biased in the hearing. Harbhajan did not
racially abuse Symonds. These are the two facts.
> >>This page started as some sort of gloating rubbish about Australian
> >>players not being able to cop it. What a load of crap. Australian
> >>players take what they are given fine. What they don't seem to be
> >>able to handle is hypocritical rubbish where they are on the receiving
> >>end *and* they get blamed for it.
>
> It was Australians who were hypocritical about being Master Sledgers and
> when Indians retaliated Australians went on Air and accused Harbhajan
> of being an Obnoxious weed.
>>I'm sorry, you appear not to know what the word "hypocritical" means.
>>Please look it up. Being a hypocrite does not mean doing two things
>>you don't like.
You are an excellent spinmeister.
>>It might have been an inadvised, even silly thing to say, but calling
>>Harbhajan an obnoxious weed on radio is not inconsistent with
>>believing that sledging is ok. You can be an obnoxious weed with or
>>without sledging and the two are not related.
Sure then the match referee should not investigate Harbhajan since he
did not investigate Hayden.
Apply the same rules to both the parties.
>>What is hypocritical, however, is to spend years complaining about
>>sledging and racism and then complaining when someone holds you to
>>that standard of racism. THAT is hypocritical.
You are so stupid. Harbhajan did not racially abuse Symonds. He did
not use the word Monkey. Sachin Tendulkar testified so.
>>As Mike (and indeed Uthappa) said, racism and sledging are two
>>different things. But as I said, this is going to be conveniently
>>ignored when it comes to blaming Australia.
Australians crowd racially abused Harbhajan - No action was taken
> It was highly hypocritical of the Match Referee investigating Harbhajan's
> remarks while convenienty ignoring Hayden's remarks on the Air about
> Harbhajan.
>>No, that would be a case of you not knowing what the hell you are
>>talking about. I can't even begin to start on it, because I need to
>>have something in your statement to compare to reality. There just
>>isn't. I can't even suggest somewhere to start reading... although
>>perhaps the "Spot" books might help.
>>
>>Moby
Majority of Aussies live in their own self created convoluted worlds where
reality and logic doesnt exist.
Manoj Misra
"dechucka" <dech...@vomithotmail.com> wrote in message
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India won the test series 2-1 despite the record books.
StraightDrive
>
>
Beating the shit out of your moronic ass is my job.
StraightDrive
Nope........I will call my English teacher.
Dave -Turner
"StraightDrive" <Straig...@Tendulkar.com> wrote in message
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>
> Beating the shit out of your moronic ass is my job.
Keep your homoerotic fantasies to yourself and stop wagging school.
Mango
Sorry Dave, Thought you were replying to me when you were replying to that
wanker that I tried to teach manners to but gave up and kill filed him.
>>
>
>
Ravi Kumar
<newsunspammel...@iinet.unspamme.net.au> wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 23:19:09 -0700 (PDT), Ravi Kumar
>
> >On Mar 14, 6:11 am, "Gireesh Bhat" <gi...@nospa.coo> wrote:
>
> >Sorry, but Hayden has achieved far more as a batsman
> >> than Uthappa currently. Look at Hayden's stats and try to emulate that. Not
> >> his potty mouth.
>
> >Hayden is a well-established home wicket bully who scores tonnes of
> >runs at home, and not that many away.
>
> Hayden at opposition's home
> Away 40 74 5 2935 42.53 10 8
> neutral
> 3 4 0 246 61.50 1 1
>
> please name the openers of, say, the last 20 years who've done better
> than that.
Why do you guys insist on splitting hairs on this one? I am talking
about batsmen - not openers, not openers in India, not Australian
openers. And since when did "Neutral" become "opposition's home"?
Since you ask - and despite it being irrelevant, here is a present-day
opener with a home-away comparison which looks pretty decent even
compared with Hayden's !!
home 2001-2006 22 38 2 1879 201 52.19 2629 71.47
6 7 4 270 21
away 2001-2008 32 53 1 2562 309 49.26 3301 77.61 7 6 5
372 23
Ravi Kumar
Myrtle
I found this when looking in another newsgroup. Apologies if you have seen
it before.
Jason Gillespie aka StraightDrive aka CoverPoint Etc Net Kook Explained
. Never learn from your mistakes.
. Always practice your mistakes; you may get them right.
. Always pick on those smarter and tougher than you.
. Always believe that only you know the truth.
. Never allow logic or reason get in the way.
. If you are going to be wrong, do it at the top of your lungs.
. When caught in a lie: LIE!
. Plagiarism is your friend. Use it.
. Whenever contradicted; morph, start calling people names, and make false
accusations. Include the children of your target in your allegations, even
if they don't have any.
. Post numerous copy & paste web articles from crackpot websites.
. Be vigilant in your redundancy. The more you repeat yourself, the more
likely others will believe you!
. If you can't find anyone as crazy as yourself to support you in the flame
wars you start with the normal population, create sock puppets and use
anonymous remailers that shamelessly hang on every word you write.
. The more your fake personalities adulate you, the more respect you'll get!
. Always remain clueproof.
. When responding to one line challenges, post paragraphs of rants and
screed in response.
. Incoherency is not a roadblock.
. Neither is illiteracy.
. Delusions posted often enough become fact.
. Always accuse others of the very acts you are guilty of.
. Post lots of boasts about your high IQ and incredible talents.
. Never forget that everyone else posting to Usenet is a paid disinformation
agent looking to discredit you.
. Remember that your claims are 'facts', and that 'facts' do not require
proof.
. Do not neglect to post your responses to forums that the originator
doesn't read. This will make the people in that forum very impressed with
how you tear him to shreds without him being able to respond. They like it
even better if you are off-topic for that forum.
. Keep in mind that lack of evidence supporting your conspiracy theory
actually _is_ evidence, of how effective the conspiracy is in hiding.
. Any problems with your posts are the fault of the conspirators, who are
trying to stop you from preventing the extinction of humanity.
. The entire United States government is willing to spend millions of
dollars for the sole purpose of harassing you.
. Do not consult psychiatrists or other mental health professionals. They
are part of the conspiracy, and will sedate you and lock you away and keep
you drugged if you tell them the truth.
. If you respond to every post someone else makes, they're obsessed. If they
respond to less than 1% of your posts, they're even more obsessed.
. You are the only sane one.
. Those that give you a hard time about morally bankrupt things you yourself
admit to are just persecutioners of the new inquisition.
. Yelling in all caps and cursing at your detractors is debate. Your
detractors laughing at you with sarcastic remarks is obvious anger and
jealousy.
. Asterisks, lots and lots of Asterisks.
Dave -Turner
>
> Sorry Dave, Thought you were replying to me when you were replying to that
> wanker that I tried to teach manners to but gave up and kill filed him.
No worries. Actually it was my fault for not including this line:
> "StraightDrive" <Straig...@Tendulkar.com> wrote in message
> news:frd8p2$98s$1...@aioe.org...
Andrew Dunford
"SultanOfSwing" <asla...@yahoo.co.in> wrote in message
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<snip>
> Australia is still #1 in both Tests and ODI's, though the gap between
> #1 and #2 is rapidly narrowing, especially in ODI's.
Australia is now second in the odo table.
<snip>
Andrew
alvey
snip the bluster of a distant blowhard, posted by an unknown x-poster.
Heroes both.
alvey
Mo...@unimail.com.au
> On Mar 14, 11:39 am, M...@unimail.com.au wrote:
>
> > On Mar 14, 4:19 pm, Ravi Kumar <ppraviku...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Hayden is a well-established home wicket bully who scores tonnes of
> > > runs at home, and not that many away. I am not sure that qualifies him
> > > as a role model to emulate from - I would rather he emulated the
> > > batting deeds of SRT, Dravid etc because he is already following
> > > Hayden's behaviour!
>
> > Ravi,
>
> > Could you point me towards Hayden's average in India
>
> > TIA
>
> > Moby
>
> I could - and you can do the same thing on cricinfo - but to make it
> simpler, why not look at his home v away record and compare it with
> that of SRT and Dravid's relative performance.
I've made no comment about two of the best batsmen of this era. I
simply made a comment about one of the other ones.
> I referred specifically
> to his overwhelmingly strong record at home as against his away record
> - as suggested by Cricinfo's recent article titled, rather aptly, home
> wicket bully or something like that, which informs us that 21 of his
> 30 test 100s have come at home.
Yes, he is rather good in Australia. He's also rather good in India.
> To pull out his India record to counter a larger point sounds like a
> specious argument to me.
But you don't have a larger point. You said he's a home wicket
bully. I said "he does well in India as well." Since the two types
of pitches are pretty much on opposite ends of the spectrum I think
your argument holds about as much water as a very dry thing with
leaks. (Would toast and garlic be a very dry thing with leeks?)
Perhaps you could say "Hayden doesn't play swing bowling very well."
That might be closer to the point.
Which reminds me. Is there any bowling Uthappa plays well?
Moby
Mo...@unimail.com.au
<snip>
No, didn't think so.
Try again. This time address what I said rather than what you'd like
to think I said.
Moby
Ravi Kumar
> Yes, he is rather good in Australia. He's also rather good in India.
Didn't deny that at any point - in fact I would like to think that his
"goodness" in Australia shows his preference for home wickets. And I
don't have any quarrel with his record in India either. What I did
suggest was that on an overall level his record away from Australia is
not too good.
> But you don't have a larger point. You said he's a home wicket
> bully. I said "he does well in India as well." Since the two types
> of pitches are pretty much on opposite ends of the spectrum I think
> your argument holds about as much water as a very dry thing with
> leaks. (Would toast and garlic be a very dry thing with leeks?)
My point remains about his home and away record. You are the one who
is trying to split into an India / Australia record to pretend he is
not a home wicket bully. You are welcome to the viewpoint, especially
when you are attempting to twist something I said to suit your
arguments!!
> Which reminds me. Is there any bowling Uthappa plays well?
If you mean Brett Lee and the Aussie bowling in the two finals don't
count, I wouldn't know.
Ravi Kumar
alvey
> On Mar 14, 6:56 pm, M...@unimail.com.au wrote:
>> Yes, he is rather good in Australia. He's also rather good in India.
>
> Didn't deny that at any point - in fact I would like to think that his
> "goodness" in Australia shows his preference for home wickets. And I
> don't have any quarrel with his record in India either. What I did
> suggest was that on an overall level his record away from Australia is
> not too good.
Love it.
Normal Person: Warne was an ATG bowler.
FLI: No he wasn't. He did squat in India.
Take #2:
FLI: Hayden is a home town bully.
NP: Um he's been a Bradman in India.
FLI: Doesn't count in the overall picture.
alvey
Spaceman Spiff
not quite. he had one great series and one very poor one.
> FLI: Doesn't count in the overall picture.
>
>
>
> alvey
--
stay cool,
Spaceman Spiff
The pig go. Go is to the fountain. The pig put foot. Grunt. Foot in
what? ketchup. The dove fly. Fly is in sky. The dove drop something.
The something on the pig. The pig disgusting. The pig rattle. Rattle
with dove. The dove angry. The pig leave. The dove produce. Produce is
chicken wing. With wing bark. No Quack.
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Manoj Misra
<Mo...@unimail.com.au> wrote in message
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On Mar 14, 3:02 pm, SultanOfSwing <aslazr...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
> You seem to have forgotten the McGrath-Sarwan spat where
> McGrath threw a hissy fit when he couldn't take a dose of his
> own medicine. McGrath was rightly blamed for initiating the
> entire unpleasant exchange.
>>Well that's the thing. I didn't miss it. And wasn't there was a lot
>>of complaining that not enough was done to McGrath.
>>That's kind of my -point- SoS. That is - that in the last 15 years,
>>there's be constant complaining about more being needed to be done
>>about the sledging and racism of Australians, but when push comes to
>>shove and things change... well it can't apply to the -Indian- team.
>>No, of course not. No.. no.. Australians aren't allowed to do what we
>>wanted to do. That's just not faaaair.
>>Call the fucking waaaahmbulance.
Justice Hansen a Caucasian found Harbhajan not guilty and found
Michael Clarke and Andrew Symonds to be liars in his judgement.
It has been more than a week since India won CB Series finals 2-1
but you are still very upset and angry. You must have missed
your last therapist appointment.
> > Specatators and "fans" can either sledge or complain about sledging,
> > not both.
>
> > And if your team complains until its ears bleed about something
> > someone else does, but can't be bothered stopping it in themselves
> > don't be surprised when your team's own Campaign Against Things That
> > Upset us When Other People Do It To Us (CATTU WOP DITU) comes back to
> > bite them.
>
> I'm sorry, but that's the most stupid acronym I've ever come across
> in the history of Usenet.
>>Not good at getting points, are you?
How can anybody get your twisted logic and points ?
Manoj Misra
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Moby,
I did but you chose not to open your mind to enlightenment.
Indian captain Kumble offered Ponting to resolve the issue among the
players because of the obvious misunderstanding of the words Harbhajan
used.
You are a laughable country complaining about the sledging of
the opponents while boasting to the media yourselves about your
own sledging and mental disintegration skills.
Mike Procter was very biased in the hearing. Harbhajan did not
racially abuse Symonds. These are the two facts.
You are an excellent spinmeister.
Sure then the match referee should not investigate Harbhajan since he
did not investigate Hayden.
You are so stupid. Harbhajan did not racially abuse Symonds. He did
not use the word Monkey. Sachin Tendulkar testified so.
Australians crowd racially abused Harbhajan - No action was taken
Ravi Kumar
> Normal Person: Warne was an ATG bowler.
> FLI: No he wasn't. He did squat in India.
Absolute FLI (aka Alvey): You said Warne wasn't an ATG,
(even though no reference has been made to to him here. QED about who
the FLI really is.)
Rest of crap amounting to put-words-in-the-other-guy's-mouth-when-you-
don't-have-a-point snipped.
Ravi Kumar
StraightDrive
"alvey" <alvey_u...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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The contexts are different.
Time to call your English teacher.
StraightDrive
<Mo...@unimail.com.au> wrote in message
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On Mar 14, 4:00 pm, "StraightDrive" <StraightDr...@Tendulkar.com>
wrote:
> I understand how you Aussies feel from your endless rantings
> and ravings in the past couple of months.
>>Very droll. And here I was thinking you had no sense of humour.
>>Moby
And I was thinking you have a brain.
StraightDrive
You born perverts teaching manners to others ??
ROFLMAO
StraightDrive
>
> "StraightDrive" <Straig...@Tendulkar.com> wrote in message
> news:frdcv7$l39$1...@aioe.org...
>>
>> Beating the shit out of your moronic ass is my job.
>
> Keep your homoerotic fantasies to yourself
You dont need mine. You have a full country of Australians and
their homoerotic, bestial fantasies.
Manoj Misra
http://content-www.cricinfo.com/india/content/current/story/342310.html
'No one in cricket is a saint'
We won't start sledging but we will retaliate - Uthappa
Sriram Veera
March 13, 2008
They said the India-Australia series was a summer of spite but, if you
believe Robin Uthappa, it all began in the Twenty20 World Championship in
South Africa. The Indian team were huddled in a team meeting ahead of the
game against Australia when the way to tackle Australia's aggression came up
for discussion. "We said they [Australians] generally talk a lot," Uthappa
recalls. "We decided that if they start the sledging, we won't sit back and
take it. We will give it back. We won't and didn't initiate anything."
The game was meandering along when Uthappa says he had a look at Matthew
Hayden and was surprised at the response. "I just looked at him and he went,
"What are you looking at? I have played 11 years of international cricket.
Give me some respect." And I thought, 'Here is someone I have been looking
up to for the last eight or nine years and this is the kind of person he
is.' When he said that he became very human to me, like any other mortal. So
I give it to him nowadays.
"Don't get me wrong, I am a massive fan of Hayden. I hold him in a very high
regard. If he had not started it, I would have never started it. He started
it and my regard for him dropped."
That sowed the seeds for what happened during the Tests and, especially, the
subsequent CB Series; the meltdown in behaviour during the Sydney Test and
in its aftermath has passed into cricket infamy. Some of the sledges appear
as simple mind games, some plain funny while a few get personal and abusive.
Uthappa's favourite is one directed at Hayden. "This boy has got an average
of 27," Uthappa recalls Hayden telling his teammates as he walked in to bat.
"Let's bring it down to 20 before he leaves Australia." "I turned around and
told him, 'You know Matt, if you had batted in different positions that I
have batted in you wouldn't even have had the average of 20."'
Uthappa waited for Hayden to come out to bat so he could have a go. "Boys,
here is the person who talks about averages but he has hardly won any games
for his country." And, on a funnier note: "Here is the guy who has hardly
any hair but does head and shoulders ads."
It wasn't all funny, he concedes; a few sledges got personal and abusive.
"It does get personal but it doesn't have to. Sledging is an art; you don't
have to use abusive language. The best sledging happens when you don't
abuse."
How did the sledging affect the players? Uthappa believes it did work
against the Australians. "These little things that you say really ticks them
off. They don't expect us to retaliate and, when we do, they don't know what
to do. You can make out that it's affecting them. You can pick cues,
especially with Ponting. When he came out to bat, we would say, 'There's an
edge coming across. It's just a matter of time.' With Symonds, it would be
pretty much about his hair, with Adam Gilchrist, it was about him having a
good farewell."
Did the vitiated atmosphere in the middle affect relations off the field?
Not to the full extent, Uthappa says, though he traces change in personal
equations from before the tour and once the hostility began. "Even with
Symonds, in India, we had a good time. We went out one evening; we went for
a drink and chatted about the game. With Brett Lee, too, there is this
constant sledging between us but off the field we are very good mates. We
end up talking and going out.
"At the end of the CB series I went and met Gilly. I am a great fan of his
and have enjoyed his batting all through his career. I spoke to Lee as well,
met Ricky briefly, and didn't really speak to Hayden. Symonds wasn't around.
I spent around 30 minutes in their dressing room. It was quite good."
With the series done, Uthappa says sledging will be off the agenda - unless
it is against Australia. "We would never initiate it but now I know, if I am
playing Australia I will sledge because I know they won't keep quiet later.
So I might as well start. I'd say the whole team will get aggressive."
To must observers there seems little difference between sledging and abuse
so the question remains of how far the line can be pushed. Uthappa maintains
that the team that fields first draws the line. "If they start sledging,
they draw the line. They can take it as far as they can take it. At what
level they stop, the other team shouldn't cross. They have the right to take
it up to that level."
Ultimately, what will be of concern is the effect of on-field behaviour on
spectators, especially children. To the general feeling that cricketers are
role models and should behave appropriately while on the field, Uthappa
responds by saying it's the parents' responsibility to counsel their
children.
"One has to understand it's a sport. When you are playing sport it
[sledging] is understandable, I think it should be allowed. Fine, it's our
responsibility as well to be well-behaved and I think we do a fairly good
job of it. I think its responsibility of people watching as well to make the
children understand that what level and where you can do some thing like
that."
So will aggression be wired into the DNA of future Indian cricketers?
Uthappa is, again, unambiguous: "It's good for Indian cricket that
aggressive young Indians are coming up. When you see the Aussie youngsters,
or any youngsters for that matter, they are quite brash and come across as
quite confident. I think you need youngsters like that in India. You don't
want quiet boys going out there and playing cricket."
Uthappa pauses before adding, "No one in cricket is a saint."
StraightDrive
"Myrtle" <myrtl...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Mango" <Fake...@wherever.com> wrote in message
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>>> "Dave -Turner" <n...@no.no> wrote in message
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>>>> dont you have a job or go to school or something?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Don't you know the meaning of the term irony
>>>
>>
>> Sorry Dave, Thought you were replying to me when you were replying to
>> that wanker that I tried to teach manners to but gave up and kill filed
>> him.
>>
>>>>
>
> I found this when looking in another newsgroup. Apologies if you have seen
> it before.
>
> Jason Gillespie aka StraightDrive aka CoverPoint Etc Net Kook Explained
>
> . Never learn from your mistakes.
> . Always practice your mistakes; you may get them right.
> . Always pick on those smarter and tougher than you.
> . Always believe that only you know the truth.
My friend Myrtle,
I have no idea about Jason Gillespie and CoverPoint.
I know Jason Gillespie is an Australian cricket player and CoverPoint is
a fielding position in Cricket sport like short stop is in baseball.
I never told you or any one else on internet that US Government is
harassing me and torturing me. It was another poster by the name
"Husband of All FBI n NSA Agents" who accused you to be a
psychopath and a jews, blacks, browns, Asians and hispanics hating racist.
May be you should respond and argue with him and not me.
MENTAL TORTURES by FBI n NSA PSYCHOPATHS Rodney Ulyate, Myrtle, bhandava
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.cricket/msg/761465aad59ea81a
x
Myrtle
"StraightDrive" <Straig...@Tendulkar.com> wrote in message
You didn't deny the net kook part I noticed.
StraightDrive
My friend Myrtle,
I never used the name "Netkook" to post on internet.....ROFLMAO
Myrtle
"StraightDrive" <Straig...@Tendulkar.com> wrote in message
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> news:47da4734$1...@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
>>
>> "Mango" <Fake...@wherever.com> wrote in message
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>>>
>>> "Mango" <Fake...@wherever.com> wrote in message
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>>>>
>>>> "Dave -Turner" <n...@no.no> wrote in message
>>>> news:13tka0q...@corp.supernews.com...
>>>>> dont you have a job or go to school or something?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Don't you know the meaning of the term irony
>>>>
>>>
>>> Sorry Dave, Thought you were replying to me when you were replying to
>>> that wanker that I tried to teach manners to but gave up and kill filed
>>> him.
>>>
>>>>>
>>
>> I found this when looking in another newsgroup. Apologies if you have
>> seen it before.
>>
>> Jason Gillespie aka StraightDrive aka CoverPoint Etc Net Kook Explained
>>
>> . Never learn from your mistakes.
>> . Always practice your mistakes; you may get them right.
>> . Always pick on those smarter and tougher than you.
>> . Always believe that only you know the truth.
>
>
>
>
>
> My friend Myrtle,
>
> I have no idea about Jason Gillespie and CoverPoint.
Oh yes you do.
Who are the only posters who send from the same server? Hint. No one else in
the entire newsgroups sends from it.
You have posted exactly the same reply from the different names.
You always cross post.
You have an unfortunate habit of using the same words and phrases,
especially in your more manic moments. There are quite a number of these.
You stand out like dogs balls whatever name you choose to use.
Then you deny you post under different names.
Very cowardly of you.
Be a hero and post under one name. The only person you are fooling is
yourself.
It will be much easier for people to block you then.
StraightDrive
Then you MUST be an undercover psychopath.
> Who are the only posters who send from the same server? Hint. No one else
> in the entire newsgroups sends from it.
You are posting on rsc only for the last two months since first week of
January.
Aioe has more than 50,000 users last I heard a few months back as per their
administrator.
You are not even intelligent enough to change your computer clock time but
you think you can figure out who is who on rsc......LOL
> You have posted exactly the same reply from the different names.
When I like some one elses post with links, I do a cut and paste from
them when the argument requires those links.
> You always cross post.
There are 6.5 bil human beings on this planet. I am not the only one
who cross posts and there is nothing wrong in cross posting and that
doesnt prove anything.
> You have an unfortunate habit of using the same words and phrases,
> especially in your more manic moments. There are quite a number of these.
I adapt words and phrases from intelligent posters like you and use them
:-))
> You stand out like dogs balls whatever name you choose to use.
You are supposed to be new to rsc. What other names have you used
to post on rsc other than Rodney Ulyate, bhandava, Diggler, Jack, Tex,
c00ps to name a few ?
> Then you deny you post under different names.
I dont post under different names. Its you who is projecting your
problems on to me.
> Very cowardly of you.
Lets meet and figure out who is the coward. Quite straightforward.
You have the same genes like Mathew Hayden who called Harbhajan
an "obnoxious weed" and then told the media he didnt mean to insult Harby.
You know the forked tongued pussies and sissies.
> Be a hero and post under one name. The only person you are fooling is
> yourself.
Lets meet somewhere and figure out who is the coward.
> It will be much easier for people to block you then.
Blocking and killfiling are for born sissies and pussies like you.
Myrtle
"StraightDrive" <Straig...@Tendulkar.com> wrote in message
I think RSC can decide who is the net kook.
>
>
>> Who are the only posters who send from the same server? Hint. No one else
>> in the entire newsgroups sends from it.
>
>
> You are posting on rsc only for the last two months since first week of
> January.
>
> Aioe has more than 50,000 users last I heard a few months back as per
> their
> administrator.
But only one net kook who posts here under different names apparently.
>
> You are not even intelligent enough to change your computer clock time but
> you think you can figure out who is who on rsc......LOL
>
>
>> You have posted exactly the same reply from the different names.
>
>
> When I like some one elses post with links, I do a cut and paste from
> them when the argument requires those links.
What a coincidence they all come from aioe. Classic net kook ploy. Copy and
paste from you other identities to support your point.
>
>
>> You always cross post.
>
>
> There are 6.5 bil human beings on this planet. I am not the only one
> who cross posts and there is nothing wrong in cross posting and that
> doesnt prove anything.
Coincidence you almost always cross post to the same newsgroups, including
the non cricket ones.
>
>
>> You have an unfortunate habit of using the same words and phrases,
>> especially in your more manic moments. There are quite a number of these.
>
>
> I adapt words and phrases from intelligent posters like you and use them
> :-))
You need to. You can't seem to string together intelligent words and phrases
by yourself.
>
>
>
>> You stand out like dogs balls whatever name you choose to use.
>
>
> You are supposed to be new to rsc. What other names have you used
> to post on rsc other than Rodney Ulyate, bhandava, Diggler, Jack, Tex,
> c00ps to name a few ?
I have never posted under different names in this newsgroup.
>
>
>
>> Then you deny you post under different names.
>
> I dont post under different names. Its you who is projecting your
> problems on to me.
>
>
>
>> Very cowardly of you.
>
>
> Lets meet and figure out who is the coward. Quite straightforward.
>
> You have the same genes like Mathew Hayden who called Harbhajan
> an "obnoxious weed" and then told the media he didnt mean to insult Harby.
>
> You know the forked tongued pussies and sissies.
>
>
>> Be a hero and post under one name. The only person you are fooling is
>> yourself.
>
>
> Lets meet somewhere and figure out who is the coward.
Very brave over a long distance aren't you?
>
>
>
>> It will be much easier for people to block you then.
>
>
> Blocking and killfiling are for born sissies and pussies like you.
>
>
> I never told you or any one else on internet that US Government is
> harassing me and torturing me. It was another poster by the name
> "Husband of All FBI n NSA Agents" who accused you to be a
> psychopath and a jews, blacks, browns, Asians and hispanics hating racist.
>
> May be you should respond and argue with him and not me.
>
>
> MENTAL TORTURES by FBI n NSA PSYCHOPATHS Rodney Ulyate, Myrtle, bhandava
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.cricket/msg/761465aad59ea81a
>
Please remember your own lies.
You said,
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Stupid FBI n NSA PSYCHOPATHIC VAMPIRE Myrtle,
You TORTURED ME PHYSICALLY and MENTALLY for 7 years
and FAILED to TURN ME INTO A SLAVE like you WANTED.
Your SYNTHETIC TELEPATHY technogies is SUPPOSED to
CHANGE my PERSONALITY TRAITS and guess what SHITHEAD,
you FAILED. You NOT ONLY FAILED in that aspect but I
also did things you ABSOLUTELY HATE ie DEFY your INFINITE POWER
and RESOURCE and CAME OUT VICTOR..........
I LAUGH at YOU AMERICAN GOVT PSYCHOPATHIC CLOWNS when
ever I read your stilly stupid comments from you morons.
Please STOP AMUSING ME because I have NO ENERGY left to LAUGH.....
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
It's not you. It must be the rest of the world.
I hope you find that undetectable telepathy control chip that is in your
head soon.
You can get it out with a sharp knife if you try hard. Remember, try
everywhere.
Myrtle
"StraightDrive" <Straig...@Tendulkar.com> wrote in message
StraightDrive
Myrtle,
You are an undercover psychopath.
>>
>>
>>> Who are the only posters who send from the same server? Hint. No one
>>> else in the entire newsgroups sends from it.
>>
>>
>> You are posting on rsc only for the last two months since first week of
>> January.
>>
>> Aioe has more than 50,000 users last I heard a few months back as per
>> their
>> administrator.
>
> But only one net kook who posts here under different names apparently.
And how do you know that genius ? unless you have access to aioe
administrator
records and computers which again proves you are an undercover psychopath.
>>
>> You are not even intelligent enough to change your computer clock time
>> but
>> you think you can figure out who is who on rsc......LOL
>>
>>
>>> You have posted exactly the same reply from the different names.
>>
>>
>> When I like some one elses post with links, I do a cut and paste from
>> them when the argument requires those links.
>
> What a coincidence they all come from aioe. Classic net kook ploy. Copy
> and paste from you other identities to support your point.
Is this some superior western logic that I, a third world country idiot have
to
learn from you genius Myrtle ?........LOL
>>> You always cross post.
>>
>>
>> There are 6.5 bil human beings on this planet. I am not the only one
>> who cross posts and there is nothing wrong in cross posting and that
>> doesnt prove anything.
>
> Coincidence you almost always cross post to the same newsgroups, including
> the non cricket ones.
I like to "spread" wisdom .... :-))
>>
>>
>>> You have an unfortunate habit of using the same words and phrases,
>>> especially in your more manic moments. There are quite a number of
>>> these.
>>
>>
>> I adapt words and phrases from intelligent posters like you and use them
>> :-))
>
> You need to. You can't seem to string together intelligent words and
> phrases by yourself.
I agree and I am also not intelligent enough to post with multiple names.
But you
are a computer genius and you are deceiving readers.
Oh by the way I am watching Fox as I write this and just watched
Revered Wright accuse US Government of the Tuskegee Experiment on
poor blacks.
The U.S. government's 40-year experiment on black men with syphilis
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.cricket/msg/07728e8ecf19b270
>>
>>> You stand out like dogs balls whatever name you choose to use.
>>
>>
>> You are supposed to be new to rsc. What other names have you used
>> to post on rsc other than Rodney Ulyate, bhandava, Diggler, Jack, Tex,
>> c00ps to name a few ?
>
> I have never posted under different names in this newsgroup.
Thats a LIE.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Then you deny you post under different names.
>>
>> I dont post under different names. Its you who is projecting your
>> problems on to me.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Very cowardly of you.
>>
>>
>> Lets meet and figure out who is the coward. Quite straightforward.
>>
>> You have the same genes like Mathew Hayden who called Harbhajan
>> an "obnoxious weed" and then told the media he didnt mean to insult
>> Harby.
>>
>> You know the forked tongued pussies and sissies.
>>
>>
>>> Be a hero and post under one name. The only person you are fooling is
>>> yourself.
>>
>>
>> Lets meet somewhere and figure out who is the coward.
>
> Very brave over a long distance aren't you?
I asked you in simple english. Lets meet somewhere and figure out
who is the coward. I guess this link proves who is the coward.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.cricket/msg/450cded99c5f55ec
>>> It will be much easier for people to block you then.
>>
>>
>> Blocking and killfiling are for born sissies and pussies like you.
>>
>>
>> I never told you or any one else on internet that US Government is
>> harassing me and torturing me. It was another poster by the name
>> "Husband of All FBI n NSA Agents" who accused you to be a
>> psychopath and a jews, blacks, browns, Asians and hispanics hating
>> racist.
>>
>> May be you should respond and argue with him and not me.
>>
>>
>> MENTAL TORTURES by FBI n NSA PSYCHOPATHS Rodney Ulyate, Myrtle, bhandava
>> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.cricket/msg/761465aad59ea81a
>>
>
> Please remember your own lies.
>
> From
> http://groups.google.com.au/group/aus.sport.cricket/browse_thread/thread/9a79a1b7d9c84c1e/8853fdcbbedb0681?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=straightdrive#8853fdcbbedb0681
>
> You said,
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Stupid FBI n NSA PSYCHOPATHIC VAMPIRE Myrtle,
LIAR Myrtle,
That was posted by "Husband of ALL FBI n NSA Agents".
> You TORTURED ME PHYSICALLY and MENTALLY for 7 years
> and FAILED to TURN ME INTO A SLAVE like you WANTED.
>
> Your SYNTHETIC TELEPATHY technogies is SUPPOSED to
> CHANGE my PERSONALITY TRAITS and guess what SHITHEAD,
> you FAILED. You NOT ONLY FAILED in that aspect but I
> also did things you ABSOLUTELY HATE ie DEFY your INFINITE POWER
> and RESOURCE and CAME OUT VICTOR..........
>
> I LAUGH at YOU AMERICAN GOVT PSYCHOPATHIC CLOWNS when
> ever I read your stilly stupid comments from you morons.
>
> Please STOP AMUSING ME because I have NO ENERGY left to LAUGH.....
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> It's not you. It must be the rest of the world.
Respond to your friend "Husband of ALL FBI n NSA Agents"
As usual your forked tongue is putting somebody else's words in my mouth.
Why dont you go see a surgeon and get your forked tongue fixed ?
> I hope you find that undetectable telepathy control chip that is in your
> head soon.
I hope you will stop being a fucking coward and respond to your friend
or nemesis 'Husband of ALL FBI n NSA Agents"
> You can get it out with a sharp knife if you try hard. Remember, try
> everywhere.
>
I dont have any chips in my body but I can help to get the chip out of
your body with a knife.
Myrtle
"StraightDrive" <Straig...@Tendulkar.com> wrote in message
To spread wisdom you first need wisdom.
>
>
>>>
>>>
>>>> You have an unfortunate habit of using the same words and phrases,
>>>> especially in your more manic moments. There are quite a number of
>>>> these.
>>>
>>>
>>> I adapt words and phrases from intelligent posters like you and use them
>>> :-))
>>
>> You need to. You can't seem to string together intelligent words and
>> phrases by yourself.
>
>
> I agree and I am also not intelligent enough to post with multiple names.
> But you
> are a computer genius and you are deceiving readers.
>
> Oh by the way I am watching Fox as I write this and just watched
> Revered Wright accuse US Government of the Tuskegee Experiment on
> poor blacks.
> The U.S. government's 40-year experiment on black men with syphilis
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.cricket/msg/07728e8ecf19b270
>
>
>
>
>>>
>>>> You stand out like dogs balls whatever name you choose to use.
>>>
>>>
>>> You are supposed to be new to rsc. What other names have you used
>>> to post on rsc other than Rodney Ulyate, bhandava, Diggler, Jack, Tex,
>>> c00ps to name a few ?
>>
>> I have never posted under different names in this newsgroup.
>
>
> Thats a LIE.
Keep on believing that. And produce some sort of proof whilst you are at it.
>
>
>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Then you deny you post under different names.
>>>
>>> I dont post under different names. Its you who is projecting your
>>> problems on to me.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Very cowardly of you.
>>>
>>>
>>> Lets meet and figure out who is the coward. Quite straightforward.
>>>
>>> You have the same genes like Mathew Hayden who called Harbhajan
>>> an "obnoxious weed" and then told the media he didnt mean to insult
>>> Harby.
>>>
>>> You know the forked tongued pussies and sissies.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Be a hero and post under one name. The only person you are fooling is
>>>> yourself.
>>>
>>>
>>> Lets meet somewhere and figure out who is the coward.
>>
>> Very brave over a long distance aren't you?
>
>
>
> I asked you in simple english. Lets meet somewhere and figure out
> who is the coward. I guess this link proves who is the coward.
Look me up when you come to Australia.
It is easy for you to talk yourself up from your hidey hole.
Lets face it. You are not travelling to me and I am not travelling to you.
Stop talking shit.
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.cricket/msg/450cded99c5f55ec
You are a total loon. What does that have to do with me? Oh that's right.
They are white people.
Another one of your names from which server I wonder?
alvey
> On Mar 15, 1:46 am, alvey <alvey_underw...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Normal Person: Warne was an ATG bowler.
>> FLI: No he wasn't. He did squat in India.
>
> Absolute FLI (aka Alvey): You said Warne wasn't an ATG,
> (even though no reference has been made to to him here. QED about who
> the FLI really is.)
Clearly you're not a man to be trifled with. Custard pies however...
alvey
alvey
Hmmm. Looks like the Subtle Knife is ineffective here.
Dear Manjoy.
You are a X-posting cretin incapable of an original thought or sentence.
Piss off.
Y/s
alvey sidecast
Manoj Misra
alvey,
Indians retaliated to Australian sledging and Australians ran for cover.
David North
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>
> "David North" <dno...@abbeymanor.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:63ub0lF...@mid.individual.net...
>> "Manoj Misra" <ManojM...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:12054522...@news.usenet.com...
>>
>> ... nothing of relevance to uk.sport.cricket.
>
> UK cricket is not relevant
Whatever.
--
David North
StraightDrive
StraightDrive
I am glad you are at least intelligent enough to know that.
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> You have an unfortunate habit of using the same words and phrases,
>>>>> especially in your more manic moments. There are quite a number of
>>>>> these.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I adapt words and phrases from intelligent posters like you and use
>>>> them :-))
>>>
>>> You need to. You can't seem to string together intelligent words and
>>> phrases by yourself.
>>
>>
>> I agree and I am also not intelligent enough to post with multiple names.
>> But you
>> are a computer genius and you are deceiving readers.
>>
>> Oh by the way I am watching Fox as I write this and just watched
>> Revered Wright accuse US Government of the Tuskegee Experiment on
>> poor blacks.
>> The U.S. government's 40-year experiment on black men with syphilis
>> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.cricket/msg/07728e8ecf19b270
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>> You stand out like dogs balls whatever name you choose to use.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You are supposed to be new to rsc. What other names have you used
>>>> to post on rsc other than Rodney Ulyate, bhandava, Diggler, Jack, Tex,
>>>> c00ps to name a few ?
>>>
>>> I have never posted under different names in this newsgroup.
>>
>>
>> Thats a LIE.
>
> Keep on believing that. And produce some sort of proof whilst you are at
> it.
>
You never produced any proof of your accusations. You are a delusional
idiot.
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Then you deny you post under different names.
>>>>
>>>> I dont post under different names. Its you who is projecting your
>>>> problems on to me.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Very cowardly of you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Lets meet and figure out who is the coward. Quite straightforward.
>>>>
>>>> You have the same genes like Mathew Hayden who called Harbhajan
>>>> an "obnoxious weed" and then told the media he didnt mean to insult
>>>> Harby.
>>>>
>>>> You know the forked tongued pussies and sissies.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Be a hero and post under one name. The only person you are fooling is
>>>>> yourself.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Lets meet somewhere and figure out who is the coward.
>>>
>>> Very brave over a long distance aren't you?
>>
>>
>>
>> I asked you in simple english. Lets meet somewhere and figure out
>> who is the coward. I guess this link proves who is the coward.
>
> Look me up when you come to Australia.
Post your address and I will fly to Australia to meet you.
> It is easy for you to talk yourself up from your hidey hole.
You need to call your English teacher like Obama suggested.
I asked you to meet me. Very simple.
> Lets face it. You are not travelling to me and I am not travelling to you.
>
> Stop talking shit.
You are full of it and it is coming out from your mouth. It must be
brown like your fellow Aussie alvey said.
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.cricket/msg/450cded99c5f55ec
>
> You are a total loon. What does that have to do with me? Oh that's right.
> They are white people.
Unfortunately the answer is YES. You can see the reactions of people
from two different races in that link. You westerners live in paranoia
and fear of death every second of your lives.
Look at how Kevin Pietersen expressed his fear of death in "so many
lines and words" to a ball that missed him by a foot compared to
Sachin Tendulkar who actually got hit by the ball.
That pretty much sums up and proves my theory.
You can actually read what bhandava posted. He clearly said half of rsc and
internet is infested with their operatives ie FBI n NSA PSYCHOPATHS. You
must be one of them like your friend "Husband of ALL FBI n NSA Agents"
accused you.
Operative bhandava's bragging
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.cricket/msg/bdd4802d0b3921b9
SultanOfSwing
> On Mar 14, 3:02 pm, SultanOfSwing <aslazr...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>
> > You seem to have forgotten the McGrath-Sarwan spat where
> > McGrath threw a hissy fit when he couldn't take a dose of his
> > own medicine. McGrath was rightly blamed for initiating the
> > entire unpleasant exchange.
>
> Well that's the thing. I didn't miss it. And wasn't there was a lot
> of complaining that not enough was done to McGrath.
And rightly so. That kind of behaviour has no place on a cricket
ground.
> That's kind of my -point- SoS. That is - that in the last 15 years,
> there's be constant complaining about more being needed to be done
> about the sledging and racism of Australians, but when push comes to
> shove and things change... well it can't apply to the -Indian- team.
> No, of course not. No.. no.. Australians aren't allowed to do what we
> wanted to do. That's just not faaaair.
It's not only the Aussies who sledge. Cricketers from other teams
also indulge in sledging. It's all fine if it's just restricted to
banter
but personal or racist abuse should have no place in cricket.
> Call the fucking waaaahmbulance.
>
> > > Specatators and "fans" can either sledge or complain about sledging,
> > > not both.
>
> > > And if your team complains until its ears bleed about something
> > > someone else does, but can't be bothered stopping it in themselves
> > > don't be surprised when your team's own Campaign Against Things That
> > > Upset us When Other People Do It To Us (CATTU WOP DITU) comes back to
> > > bite them.
>
> > I'm sorry, but that's the most stupid acronym I've ever come across
> > in the history of Usenet.
>
> Not good at getting points, are you?
And your point is that the Indian team complains too much?
Nope, not true. AFAIK, it was Ponting who complained to
the umpires about Harbhajan using the "monkey" word against
Symonds. The Indians then responded with a "tit-for-tat"
complaint about Hogg allegedly using the word "bastard"
for Dhoni and Kumble.
<snip>
> But you weren't honest then, were you? You didn't actually mean
> "clean cricket up" Because quite clearly, when cricket started to
> clean up and your lot got caught, you complained about it. What you
> meant was "stop them being nasty to us and let us do what we want."
Speaking for myself, I've never condoned Indian players indulging
in derogatory personal/racist abuse. My stand on this is pretty
clear. If Harbhajan did use the "monkey" word against Symonds,
he should have been punished. I don't hold a brief for other Indian
posters.
<snip>
> > I heard some statements from Hayden calling Harbhajan a
> > "little obnoxious weed" and challenging Ishant to a fight in the
> > boxing ring.
>
> I'm sorry, I missed the bit where that was a complaint. I can see
> that it's aggressive. Yes. I can see it's probably not nice.. yes.
> Was it the right thing to say? No, of course not. But neither of
> those things was complaining.
It's apparent that Harbhajan got under the skin of Hayden
(and plenty of other Aussie players). That's why Hayden
made that statement.
> > Harbhajan and Yuvraj Singh indulged in a bit of shadow
> > boxing after Hayden's dismissal in the second CB series final. That
> > moment was priceless. This is probably the best reply one could
> > give
> > to a bully like Hayden.
>
> Right.. so when Hayden does it, it's bullying, but when the Singh duo
> does it, it's priceless. Right. Double standards.. yes, known about
> that for years.
Hayden challenged Ishant to a fight in a boxing ring. That's the
characteristic of a bully. I haven't heard of any other batsman at
the international level challenge a bowler to a duel outside a
cricket ground. Viv Richards, Graeme Pollock, Gary Sobers;
none of these players ever thought it fit to invite opposition
bowlers to a fight in a boxing ring. I'm sure most cricket lovers
would enjoy if Hayden let's his bat do the talking.
> I also think that it was a good comeback. I personally think that it
> lost a bit of spark since Hayden had just scored a fifty and it just
> looks stupid to do that when a batsman has dominated you. But I
> certainly would have had no issue with it after the game.
When Hayden was dismissed; sure, he had scored a fifty, but was
run-out a crucial point in the game. Hayden along with Symonds,
had stitched together a very vital partnership in the context
of the match. I don't see any harm in fielders having a bit of a
celebration (it wasn't a send-off) after dismissing a well-set
batsman
at a crucial point in the game.
> But why is Hayden then a bully and the other two "priceless." Surely
> it's all just "part of the entertainment??"
I said that the *moment* was priceless. It was a perfect riposte
to Hayden. I've already explained why I consider Hayden to be
a bully. It might be a touch painful for you to hear such words
about your favourite Queensland player.
> > > > Racist abuse we can probably all agree to be
> > > > beyond the pale,
>
> > > You are joking, right? And I give for evidence the replies I'm quite
> > > likely to get to the above, which try to equate sledging with racial
> > > abuse. Racial abuse is only beyond the pale when it's committed by an
> > > Australian.
>
> > Do you hallucinate in the daytime? Who has equated sledging
> > with racial abuse? It's all in your fantastic imagination.
>
> The poster I last replied to to name the most recent. You've managed
> to avoid it so far.
>
> In case you need an update, I'm talking about the idiots who say that,
> because Australian cricketers say sledging is ok, this means they
> can't report actions they feel are racist. And sunshine, if you
> haven't seen exactly that in spades in the last few months, then it is
> you who are hallucinating... either in the night or the daytime.
I don't hold a brief for the "idiots" and wouldn't want to waste
bandwidth
talking about their posts.
Myrtle
"StraightDrive" <Straig...@Tendulkar.com> wrote in message
What a civilised way to solve your problems.
You truly are a loon.
Myrtle
"StraightDrive" <Straig...@Tendulkar.com> wrote in message
Net Kook is not a who. It is a label that has been around for ages. You fit
the profile to perfection.
From http://dictionary.die.net/kook
kook
n : someone regarded as eccentric or crazy and standing out from
a group [syn: odd fellow, odd fish, queer bird, queer
duck, odd man out]
Source: Jargon File (4.3.1, 29 Jun 2001)
kook [Usenet; originally and more formally, `net.kook'] Term used to
describe a regular poster who continually posts messages with no
apparent grounding in reality. Different from a troll, which implies a
sort of sly wink on the part of a poster who knows better, kooks really
believe what they write, to the extent that they believe anything.
The kook trademark is paranoia and grandiosity. Kooks will often build
up elaborate imaginary support structures, fake corporations and the
like, and continue to act as if those things are real even after their
falsity has been documented in public.
While they may appear harmless, and are usually filtered out by the
other regular participants in a newsgroup of mailing list, they can
still cause problems because the necessity for these measures is not
immediately apparent to newcomers; there are several instances on
record, for example, of journalists writing stories with quotes from
kooks who caught them unaware.
An entertaining web page chronicaling the activities of many notable
kooks can be found at `http://www.crank.net/usenet.html'.
john
"Dave -Turner" <n...@no.no> wrote in message
news:13tka0q...@corp.supernews.com...
> dont you have a job or go to school or something?
>
>
The ape is very hungry, Dave if you have a few bananas give it to him and
he will be happy but
don't expect something intelligent from him anytime. School eduction can't
educate an ape.
john
>
> "StraightDrive" <Straig...@Tendulkar.com> wrote in message
>>
>> Beating the shit out of your moronic ass is my job.
>
>
>
>
Dave, stop use human reasonings with an ape. He lacks the basic human
intelligence to
interpret what you try to say to him. School is not going to help someone
which claim
himself an ape. Your time is better spent on reasoning with humans rather
than an ape.
john
"StraightDrive" <Straig...@Tendulkar.com> wrote in message
>
> "Mango" <Fake...@wherever.com> wrote in message
> news:odqCj.25558$421....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>
>>> dont you have a job or go to school or something?
>>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>
>
>
No, you don't have an english teacher but you have a zoo keeper who will
educte you with
his/her whip and that is the only language an ape can understand.
>
>
Mo...@unimail.com.au
<snip>
I think I worked out what the problem is. You're trying to prove
something other than what I thought your original position was.
No issue. I shall ignore your original post and concentrate on the
other ones. In this case, I think we agree. Hayden is pretty good.
So are Tendulkar and Dravid. Uthappa sucks... unless he's facing
BLeet. BLeet is average.
Right. We're on the same page.
Moby
Mo...@unimail.com.au
<snip>
Now you're just lying.
My fault everyone. I thought he was going to be reasonable. Mea
culpa. In hindsight, the copyright violation in the first post should
probably have given it away.
*plonk*
Moby
Mo...@unimail.com.au
> On Mar 14, 11:38 am, M...@unimail.com.au wrote:
>
> > On Mar 14, 3:02 pm, SultanOfSwing <aslazr...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>
> > > You seem to have forgotten the McGrath-Sarwan spat where
> > > McGrath threw a hissy fit when he couldn't take a dose of his
> > > own medicine. McGrath was rightly blamed for initiating the
> > > entire unpleasant exchange.
>
> > Well that's the thing. I didn't miss it. And wasn't there was a lot
> > of complaining that not enough was done to McGrath.
>
> And rightly so. That kind of behaviour has no place on a cricket
> ground.
Right. We are in agreement. Now. How about you take that good
opinion of yours and apply it equally. Even when your lot get accused
or caught or whatever. Because -that-, my double standard "friend" is
what my issue is.
You want to complain about behavior that you have precious few actual
examples of, but when it comes to holding your own players accountable
to the same standards, you are found pathetically wanting.
<snip rest, until you address this, I'm just not interested>
Moby
Mad Hamish
<pprav...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Mar 14, 1:12 pm, Mad Hamish
><newsunspammel...@iinet.unspamme.net.au> wrote:
>> On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 23:19:09 -0700 (PDT), Ravi Kumar
>>
>> <ppraviku...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Mar 14, 6:11 am, "Gireesh Bhat" <gi...@nospa.coo> wrote:
>>
>> >Sorry, but Hayden has achieved far more as a batsman
>> >> than Uthappa currently. Look at Hayden's stats and try to emulate that. Not
>> >> his potty mouth.
>>
>> >Hayden is a well-established home wicket bully who scores tonnes of
>> >runs at home, and not that many away.
>>
>> Hayden at opposition's home
>> Away 40 74 5 2935 42.53 10 8
>> neutral
>> 3 4 0 246 61.50 1 1
>>
>> please name the openers of, say, the last 20 years who've done better
>> than that.
>
>Why do you guys insist on splitting hairs on this one?
I'm not.
> I am talking
>about batsmen - not openers, not openers in India, not Australian
>openers.
Hayden is an opener, comparing openers to middle order batsmen is
rather unfair.
> And since when did "Neutral" become "opposition's home"?
What you said was
"who scores tonnes of runs at home, and not that many away."
neutral venues are away for Hayden.
>
>Since you ask - and despite it being irrelevant, here is a present-day
>opener with a home-away comparison which looks pretty decent even
>compared with Hayden's !!
Yeah, Sehwag's record is right up there.
However to justify calling Hayden "a well-established home wicket
bully" you really would need to provide a lot of openers who've done
better than him away rather than 1.
>home 2001-2006 22 38 2 1879 201 52.19 2629 71.47
>6 7 4 270 21
>away 2001-2008 32 53 1 2562 309 49.26 3301 77.61 7 6 5
>372 23
>
>Ravi Kumar
--
"Hope is replaced by fear and dreams by survival, most of us get by."
Stuart Adamson 1958-2001
Mad Hamish
Hamish Laws
newsunsp...@iinet.unspamme.net.au
Rodney Ulyate
> On Mar 14, 11:38 am, M...@unimail.com.au wrote:
>> On Mar 14, 3:02 pm, SultanOfSwing <aslazr...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>>> Harbhajan and Yuvraj Singh indulged in a bit of shadow
>>> boxing after Hayden's dismissal in the second CB series final. That
>>> moment was priceless. This is probably the best reply one could
>>> give
>>> to a bully like Hayden.
>> Right.. so when Hayden does it, it's bullying, but when the Singh duo
>> does it, it's priceless. Right. Double standards.. yes, known about
>> that for years.
>
> Hayden challenged Ishant to a fight in a boxing ring. That's the
> characteristic of a bully. I haven't heard of any other batsman at
> the international level challenge a bowler to a duel outside a
> cricket ground. Viv Richards, Graeme Pollock, Gary Sobers;
> none of these players ever thought it fit to invite opposition
> bowlers to a fight in a boxing ring.
Not in a boxing ring, perhaps, but what of Richards's convivial offer to
Steve Rixon?
<snip>
--
Rodney Ulyate
"You and me, out the back after the game."
Richards to Rixon, 1984
alvey
>
> And your point is that the Indian team complains too much?
> Nope, not true. AFAIK, it was Ponting who complained to
> the umpires about Harbhajan using the "monkey" word against
> Symonds.
FLI Factoid #93: Ponting "complained" to the umpire about H Singh's
comment.
Reality: Ponting followed ICC procedures by reporting to the umpires that
one of his players had come to him with an accusation that a racist comment
had been made to him by an opposition player.
Carry on.
alvey
alvey
>>
>> Hayden challenged Ishant to a fight in a boxing ring. That's the
>> characteristic of a bully. I haven't heard of any other batsman at
>> the international level challenge a bowler to a duel outside a
>> cricket ground. Viv Richards, Graeme Pollock, Gary Sobers;
>> none of these players ever thought it fit to invite opposition
>> bowlers to a fight in a boxing ring.
> [...]
>
> Not in a boxing ring, perhaps, but what of Richards's convivial offer to
> Steve Rixon?
Or best of all, Rod Hogg to Graham Yallop @ Adelaide.
alvey
Sanjiv Karmarkar
> FLI Factoid #93: Ponting "complained" to the umpire about H Singh's
> comment.
>
> Reality: Ponting followed ICC procedures by reporting to the umpires that
> one of his players had come to him with an accusation that a racist comment
> had been made to him by an opposition player.
Yeah right, more excuses. Someone who is routinely wont to claim
bumped catches, stick around even after the most obvious nicks, and
engage in most vicious trash talking is now suddenly a stickler for
ICC regulations? Do you actually believe your own rhetoric?
Face it, he could dish it out but could not take it.
This of course does not diminish anyone's respect for him as a cricket
player - he is indeed a great one - and yet at the same time, it's not
possible for anyone to think less of him as a human being. :-)
Sanjiv Karmarkar
alvey
> On Mar 15, 2:57 pm, alvey <alvey_underw...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> FLI Factoid #93: Ponting "complained" to the umpire about H Singh's
>> comment.
>>
>> Reality: Ponting followed ICC procedures by reporting to the umpires that
>> one of his players had come to him with an accusation that a racist comment
>> had been made to him by an opposition player.
>
snip stoopid
>
> Face it, he could dish it out but could not take it.
You should face the fact that you can't face the facts.
alvey
Ravi Kumar
<newsunspammel...@iinet.unspamme.net.au> wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 02:28:08 -0700 (PDT), Ravi Kumar
>
>
>
> >On Mar 14, 1:12 pm, Mad Hamish
> ><newsunspammel...@iinet.unspamme.net.au> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 23:19:09 -0700 (PDT), Ravi Kumar
>
> >> <ppraviku...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On Mar 14, 6:11 am, "Gireesh Bhat" <gi...@nospa.coo> wrote:
>
> >> >Sorry, but Hayden has achieved far more as a batsman
> >> >> than Uthappa currently. Look at Hayden's stats and try to emulate that. Not
> >> >> his potty mouth.
>
> >> >Hayden is a well-established home wicket bully who scores tonnes of
> >> >runs at home, and not that many away.
>
> >> Hayden at opposition's home
> >> Away 40 74 5 2935 42.53 10 8
> >> neutral
> >> 3 4 0 246 61.50 1 1
>
> >> please name the openers of, say, the last 20 years who've done better
> >> than that.
>
> >Why do you guys insist on splitting hairs on this one?
>
> I'm not.
Considering I started talking about batsmen and not openers, I would
contend you are indeed splitting hairs. But if you insist, have it
your way, makes not the slightest difference to me either way. I am
satisfied I've made my point.
>
> > I am talking
> >about batsmen - not openers, not openers in India, not Australian
> >openers.
>
> Hayden is an opener, comparing openers to middle order batsmen is
> rather unfair.
>
> > And since when did "Neutral" become "opposition's home"?
>
> What you said was
> "who scores tonnes of runs at home, and not that many away."
>
> neutral venues are away for Hayden.
>
>
>
> >Since you ask - and despite it being irrelevant, here is a present-day
> >opener with a home-away comparison which looks pretty decent even
> >compared with Hayden's !!
>
> Yeah, Sehwag's record is right up there.
> However to justify calling Hayden "a well-established home wicket
> bully" you really would need to provide a lot of openers who've done
> better than him away rather than 1.
I referred to him in the context of batsmen, rather than just openers.
So if you are so keen to try, you can look at other batsmen instead of
just openers, at least some of whom will be his own teammates -
present captain excluded!!
Ravi Kumar