Stumping related question
Ravi
stumps and stump the batsman? Will the batsman be declared out? Do
umpires check for this?
Have there been cases when this has happened?
- Ravi
Totaltully
Interesting question. Here is the relevant sub rule of Law 40
3. Position of wicket-keeper
The wicket-keeper shall remain wholly behind the wicket at the
striker's end from the moment the ball comes into play until
(a) a ball delivered by the bowler either
(i) touches the bat or person of the striker
or (ii) passes the wicket at the striker's end
or (b) the striker attempts a run.
In the event of the wicket-keeper contravening this Law, the umpire at
the striker's end shall call and signal No ball as soon as possible
after the delivery of the ball
Unless the batsman is deemed to be attempting a run, the keeper has to
wait for the ball to cross the wicket.
Mad Hamish
>
>Ravi wrote:
>> Can a wicketkeeper collect the ball ahead of the line / plane of the
>> stumps and stump the batsman? Will the batsman be declared out? Do
>> umpires check for this?
>
>Interesting question. Here is the relevant sub rule of Law 40
>
>3. Position of wicket-keeper
>The wicket-keeper shall remain wholly behind the wicket at the
>striker's end from the moment the ball comes into play until
>(a) a ball delivered by the bowler either
>(i) touches the bat or person of the striker
>or (ii) passes the wicket at the striker's end
>
>or (b) the striker attempts a run.
>
>Unless the batsman is deemed to be attempting a run, the keeper has to
>wait for the ball to cross the wicket.
You're missing the most likely case for it happening on a stumping on
your summary. If the ball hits the batsman then the keeper can take it
in front of the stumps.
--
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Stuart Adamson 1958-2001
Mad Hamish
Hamish Laws
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Wrick
batsmen (either bat or body) on its way to the wicketkeeper (and the
wicketkeeper completes the succesful catch -if it has hit the bat or a
succesful stumping). The leg-umpire checks for this.
I can't think of this happening in an international game, but I had
seen it in my college-cricket days.
Our spinner was a very slow leg spinner. The batsmen would often go out
of the crease for hitting his juicy loopy deliveries and would often
miss them. But the speed of the ball is so slow that the batsmen would
often have time to get back to the crease after missing the ball and
before the wicketkeeper gets the ball. So, our wicketkeeper taking
advantage of the poor knowledge of the umpires (after all its
college-cricket) and the poor visibility without instant-replays, would
often reach out his hand in front of the plane of the stumps to collect
the ball earlier.
Ron Knight
<newsunsp...@iinet.unspamme.net.au> wrote:
>On 15 Jul 2006 22:20:31 -0700, "Totaltully" <bpa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Ravi wrote:
>>> Can a wicketkeeper collect the ball ahead of the line / plane of the
>>> stumps and stump the batsman? Will the batsman be declared out? Do
>>> umpires check for this?
>>
>>Interesting question. Here is the relevant sub rule of Law 40
>>
>>3. Position of wicket-keeper
>>The wicket-keeper shall remain wholly behind the wicket at the
>>striker's end from the moment the ball comes into play until
>>(a) a ball delivered by the bowler either
>>(i) touches the bat or person of the striker
>>or (ii) passes the wicket at the striker's end
>>
>>or (b) the striker attempts a run.
>>
>>Unless the batsman is deemed to be attempting a run, the keeper has to
>>wait for the ball to cross the wicket.
>
>You're missing the most likely case for it happening on a stumping on
>your summary. If the ball hits the batsman then the keeper can take it
>in front of the stumps.
And of course if the batsman is attempting a run he can't be stumped.
He can, of course be run out by the keeper if it isn't a no-ball.
It is also worth noting that the batsman's hitting the ball does not
RETROACTIVELY excuse the keeper's reaching in front of the stumps. If
the keeper reaches in front of the stumps before any of the things
listed in Law 40 happens, it is a no-ball. If the striker makes
contact with the ball after the keeper reaches in front of the stumps
it is still a no-ball.
Notice also that "wholly behind" in the Law means that the plane
marking off transgressions is the BACK plane of the stumps. We talk
about "reaching in front of the stumps" being the violation--I just
did so above--, but the keeper does not actually have to pass the
stumps. Passing the back of the stumps is all that is required.
After 10 years our League has finally managed to get two neutral
umpires at almost all matches, instead of having a member of the
batting side standing at the strikers' end. Unfortunately, because of
the lack of training of these umpires the keepers have been getting
away with murder in this regard for many years--not so much deliberate
cheating as sloppy technique. Now that we have qualified umpires at
the strikers' end--at least on occasion--, the keepers are receiving
some unpleasant surprises.
But, assuming informed and competent umpiring, the answer to the
original question is that the keeper may not gather the ball in front
of the stumps to effect a stumping unless the ball has previously
touched the bat or person of the striker. (Of course if it hit his bat
and is gathered without touching the ground the striker is caught and
there is no need for the stumping.)
Take it easy,
Ron Knight