Trivia
Prasad K. Gune
An anecdote from an old test match, so some of the facts may be slightly
distorted. England was batting against Australia, and looking at the way
things were going, the Lancastrian(?) left hander Eddie Paynter said to
Denis Compton,"I bet you, me and Bill (Edrich) don't get a dozen between
us". Sure enough, Edrich got half-a-dozen, Compo managed a single, and
Paynter was out for a duck.
What was England's score at the end of the innings?
"Dark Side of the Goon"
Prasad Gune
(Go-Bears!!!)
Mechanical Engineering,
UC-Berkeley
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[ ... An incident from an Ashes Test ... ]
> Eddie Paynter said to Denis Compton,"I bet you, me and Bill (Edrich)
> don't get a dozen between us". Sure enough, Edrich got half-a-dozen,
> Compo managed a single, and Paynter was out for a duck.
This was the Test that Hutton got his 364.
The way I heard the above incident was that Paynter and Compton were
padded up waiting to go in, when Paynter bet Compton that they would
not get 10 runs between the two of them. Compton was in pretty good
nick that season, and accepted what he considered a safe bet.
Paynter was out (to O'Reilly?) for a duck as you say, and Compton got
just a single. Mervyn Waite took Compton's wicket, and that turned out
to be Waite's only Test wicket!
I wouldn't mind seeing a card of the above Test.
Murari Venkataraman
ven...@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
Prasad K. Gune
Venkataraman(ven...@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu) writes:
> Eddie Paynter said to Denis Compton,"I bet you, me and Bill (Edrich)
> don't get a dozen between us". Sure enough, Edrich got half-a-dozen,
> Compo managed a single, and Paynter was out for a duck.
>This was the Test that Hutton got his 364.
And the no-prize goes to Murari! Though you really didn't answer the
question :-) England scored 903 for 7 declared, with Hutton getting 364,
Maurice Leyland 187, and Joe Hardstaff 145(?). I'm sorry, I don't have a
scorecard of this test. I remember that the margin of victory was huge -
an innings and 579(?) runs.
I have this idea in my mind that The Don either did not bat or did not
play in this match. If that's true, would England have lost by the same
margin? (Of course not, you would need Kambli for that :-)).
"The Goon and Sixpence"
Uday Rajan
>The way I heard the above incident was that Paynter and Compton were
>padded up waiting to go in, when Paynter bet Compton that they would
>not get 10 runs between the two of them. Compton was in pretty good
>nick that season, and accepted what he considered a safe bet.
>Paynter was out (to O'Reilly?) for a duck as you say, and Compton got
>just a single. Mervyn Waite took Compton's wicket, and that turned out
>to be Waite's only Test wicket!
>
>I wouldn't mind seeing a card of the above Test.
>
Well, since you asked ... Before I get to the card, first, I remember
reading about the incident the way you described it, Murari, and I must
compliment your memory for trivia (re: who got Paynter and Compton :-) ).
Second, as Prasad mentioned, Bradman was indeed injured and did not bat
--- he sprained his ankle while bowling toward the end of the England innings
(was this the only time he bowled in a Test match?). Also, Jack Fingleton
was injured (strained a muscle on the 2nd day).
Third, you provided me with an excuse to dig up my Cardus, so here are
some selections from his match reports:
(1) At tea on the 2nd day, with England 550/4, 3 wickets had been lbw
and the 4th run out.
"The stumps wre a survival from a distant epoch in the game's development;
they were like the little toe on the human foot".
(2) With England 800/6, Hardstaff played out a maiden over from Bradman:
"If a man will not play cricket when he has made a hundred in a Test match
and his side is 800 for six, when on earth will he play cricket, and why
did he ever think of playing cricket?".
(3) At the end of the match:
"The fact remains that the wicket prepared for this engagement was
unfair to skilled bowlers and not in the interests of the game. The game
has left an unpleasant taste in the mouth ... No cricket match should
occur again in which the wicket is contrived so that an innings of
900 is possible against any bowling".
In his reports, Cardus was especially critical of what he perceived
to be slow England batting after they had reached 700.
OK, now the promised card :-)
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ENGLAND vs AUSTRALIA
5th Test, Played at The Oval
Dates: August 20,22,23,24, 1938
Toss: England
Umpires: F.E.Chester and Walden
Result: England won by an innings and 579 runs
ENGLAND, 1st Innings
L. Hutton c Hassett b O'Reilly 364
W.J. Edrich lbw b O'Reilly 12
M. Leyland run out 187
* W.R. Hammond lbw b Fleetwood-Smith 59
E. Paynter lbw b O'Reilly 0
D.C.S. Compton b Waite 1
J. Hardstaff,jr. not out 169
+ A. Wood c and b Barnes 53
H. Verity not out 8
K. Farnes did not bat
W.E. Bowes did not bat
Extras (b 22, lb 19, w 1, nb 8) 50
Total (for 7 wickets declared) ............ 903
Fall of Wickets: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
29 411 546 547 555 770 876
Bowling:
O M R W
Waite 72 16 150 1
McCabe 38 8 85 0
O'Reilly 85 26 178 3
Fleetwood-Smith 87 11 298 1
Barnes 38 3 84 1
Hassett 13 2 52 0
Bradman 2.2 1 6 0
AUSTRALIA, 1st Innings
W.A. Brown c Hammond b Leyland 69
C.L. Badcock c Hardstaff b Bowes 0
S.J. McCabe c Edrich b Farnes 14
A.L. Hassett c Compton b Edrich 42
S.G. Barnes b Bowes 41
+ B.A. Barnett c Wood b Bowes 2
M.G. Waite b Bowes 8
W.J. O'Reilly c Wood b Bowes 0
L.O'B. Fleetwood-Smith not out 16
* D.G. Bradman absent hurt
J.H.W. Fingleton absent hurt
Extras (b 4, lb 2, nb 3) 9
Total (all out) ......................... 201
Fall of Wickets: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
0 19 70 145 147 160 160 201
Bowling:
O M R W
Farnes 13 2 54 1
Bowes 19 3 49 5
Edrich 10 2 55 1
Verity 5 1 15 0
Leyland 3.1 0 11 1
Hammond 2 0 8 0
Edrich
AUSTRALIA, 2nd Innings
W.A. Brown c Edrich b Farnes 15
C.L. Badcock b Bowes 9
S.J. McCabe c Wood b Farnes 2
A.L. Hassett lbw b Bowes 10
S.G. Barnes lbw b Verity 33
+ B.A. Barnett b Farnes 46
M.G. Waite c Edrich b Verity 0
W.J. O'Reilly not out 7
L.O'B. Fleetwood-Smith c Leyland b Barnes 0
* D.G. Bradman absent hurt
J.H.W. Fingleton absent hurt
Extras (b 1) 1
Total (all out) ......................... 123
Fall of Wickets: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
15 18 35 41 115 115 117 123
Bowling:
O M R W
Farnes 12.1 1 63 4
Bowes 10 3 25 2
Verity 7 3 15 2
Leyland 5 0 19 0
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Folks this batting has to be one of the strongest ever to take the field
in Tests.
Hutton, Edrich, Leyland, Hammond, Paynter, Compton
Hardstaff,jr .... did they ever fail as a unit? probably not that frequently.
Bowling is tremendous too with Verity, Bowes.
About K. Farnes, I haven't read much. What was he like? Could any one
comment on how this team fared against others (SA,WI,NZ etc.,)
Team -1)
Fredricks, Greenidge, Richards, Kallicharan, Lloyd, Murray, Roberts, Holding
Holder
Team-2)
Bradman, Morris, Hasset, Barnes, Miller, Lindwall, Oldfield,....
Team-3)
Gavaskar, Vishvanath, Chauhan, Vengsrakar, Bedi, Chandra, Prasanna,
Kirmani, Solkar
Team-4)
Grag Chappel, Walters, Wood, Yallop, Lillie, Thommo, Marsh, Kim Hughes,
Border ....
Team-5)
Moshin, Mudassar, Zaheer, Javeed, Imran, Bari, Sarfraz, Wasim Raja, Bhakt
* : please make the proper corrections to the teams. Thanks
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Here is the game. Let's say these five teams and Hammond's 1938 team
met in a leauge. where every team plays all the teams twice.
First time the pitch is prepared such that it favors one team
and the next the otherway. That is 30 games in all. win is 100 points
and tie is 50 points. In addition let's say there are points as follows:
Batting:
crossing 250 : 10 point(s)
400 15
500 20
every 20 fours hit in an innings : 1 point
Bowling getting 10 wickets/6 hrs. : 12
/6-9 : 10
/9-12 : 8
/12-16 : 6
Getting the opponents out twice : 10
once : 5
Following on side : -5
Innings defeat : -10
unable to take more than 5 wkts in an innings : -2
unable to take more than 10 wkts in the match : -4
every two cathces dropped : -1
every four catches made : 1
every two stumpings missed : -1
effecting every 2 runouts: +1
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Ramanan Raghavendran
>"If a man will not play cricket when he has made a hundred in
a Test
>match and his side is 800 for six, when on earth will
>he play cricket, and why did he ever think of playing
>cricket?"
My favorite line from Cardus.
Obligatory factoid to redeem an otherwise useless posting: The
two Test bowlers to take four wickets in five balls are (drum
roll): MJC Allom (WOWWW, on debut), and Chris Old (WW-NB-WW).
Regards,
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Prasad K. Gune
:-)
In an Ashes test, England scored 496 and 365/8 declared. What was the
margin of victory , and what was unique about it?
"The Bear Essentials"
Ranbhise, Dinesh R.
I thought Edrich got 17 in that test but i am not sure
Prasad K. Gune
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Leeds 1948.
Aus made 404/3 with Bradman and Ponsford sharing a stand of 300+ for the
2nd
wicket. It was made in a day and Aus became the first team in a 5 day
test to
successfully chase 400 in the 4th innings.
Infact, Bradman's diary on that 4th night reads:
"We are set 400 to win and I fear we may lose"
Another Vincentian.
GO GATORS!!
BEAT DUKE!!
On the road to the Final Four!!
Cheers!
Ramanan Raghavendran
>
>OK, more trivia folks! Another old tale, so factual
>errors may creep in :-)
>
>In an Ashes test, England scored 496 and 365/8
>declared. What was the margin of victory , and what
>was unique about it?
It's hard to resist; I keep telling myself that I need to focus
my attention on the magnificient and world-historic deeds of A,
B, C, Q, W, W, W, X and Z, which are happening *now*, *today*,
*even as we speak*, but these postings drag me back to the days
of yore...
This is the fourth Test against Australia at Leeds in 1948 --
the famous undefeated Bradman-led team -- and Australia won by
seven wickets, scoring 404 for 3 in the fourth innings, on the
final day. The Test is special for several reasons:
(a) The last of Bradman's 29 centuries (173*), and his fourth
century in six innings at Leeds.
(b) The first team to score more than 400 runs in the fourth
innings and *win*. The only other team, of course, being India
(against WI in '75-'76). Australia had the higher target (404
vs. India's 403), though India had the higher total (406).
(c) Interestingly, the *only* win against a third-innings
declaration in the entire history of England-Australia Tests.
Obligatory non-reponse-to-trivia-question factoid: the lowest
match aggregate (both sides) for a completed Test: 234 (29
wickets), Australia vs. SA, Melbourne, 1931-32.