World's worst fielder
Andrew Walker
I kinda like these kinds of topics - totally based around opinions and
sure to bring about some interesting flames. Anyway, I thought since
the world's best test fielders were being discussed it might be appropriate
to start naming the worst! I think that the supporters of each test team
should nominate the worst from their side that they can remember.
I'll start the ball rolling with one from the England test team -
Devon (I'll dive for this, oops i've missed it again) Malcolm
P.S. Don't say Phil Tuffnell until you have watched Devon in action. Tuffy
has improved since the last Ashes tour.
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Neeran M. Karnik
>I kinda like these kinds of topics - totally based around opinions and
>sure to bring about some interesting flames. Anyway, I thought since
>the world's best test fielders were being discussed it might be appropriate
>to start naming the worst! I think that the supporters of each test team
>should nominate the worst from their side that they can remember.
>I'll start the ball rolling with one from the England test team -
> Devon (I'll dive for this, oops i've missed it again) Malcolm
>Andrew Walker: Department of Computing Science, The University, Glasgow G12 8QQ
My nomination (:->) from India is Dilip Doshi. Sandeep Patil, after
his shoulder gave out, was a close competitor.
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Spaceman Spiff
(Andrew Walker) says:
>
>I kinda like these kinds of topics - totally based around opinions and
>sure to bring about some interesting flames. Anyway, I thought since
>the world's best test fielders were being discussed it might be appropriate
>to start naming the worst! I think that the supporters of each test team
>should nominate the worst from their side that they can remember.
>
>I'll start the ball rolling with one from the England test team -
>
> Devon (I'll dive for this, oops i've missed it again) Malcolm
>
sandip patil.
Stay cool,
The Thinker
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Palitha Nalin Wikramanayake
bad fielder. Note: This opinion is based mostly on his performances
in the one-day triangulars Aus-Nz-Sl and Aus-WI-? in the early '80s.
Has he improved since then?
Nalin
PS I can't remember (really!) any bad SL fielders though I am sure
there were many.
SUNDAR
>>to start naming the worst! I think that the supporters of each test team
>>should nominate the worst from their side that they can remember.
>>
>>
>for india, three names spring to mind: b. s. chandrashekhar, dilip doshi and
>sandip patil.
>Stay cool,
>The Thinker
How about T.A.Shekar and Salil Ankola. I still would count Kiran More as one
of the worst keeper I have ever seen (with respect to his keeping).
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Ganesh Murugesan
>
> I'll start the ball rolling with one from the England test team -
>
> Devon (I'll dive for this, oops i've missed it again) Malcolm
>
A good Indian Prospect for this category is Sandeep Patil.
Darren O'Shaughnessy
(Palitha Nalin Wikramanayake) wrote:
>
> I always thought David Boon (of the early eighties) was a particularly
> bad fielder. Note: This opinion is based mostly on his performances
> in the one-day triangulars Aus-Nz-Sl and Aus-WI-? in the early '80s.
> Has he improved since then?
>
> Nalin
>
> PS I can't remember (really!) any bad SL fielders though I am sure
> there were many.
>
Is this the same David Boon who covered for Ian Healy's injury during the
World Cup, and performed admirably behind the stumps? Boony may look a bit
tubby, but as well as being one of the fastest Australians between the
wickets when quick singles are needed, he's the regular reflex catcher at
silly mid-on.
A couple of years ago the obvious vote would have been for Phil Tufnell,
the butt of many a joke on the Ashes tour, but I see he's been practising.
Navjot Sidhu strikes me as being lazy in the field, but I'll agree with the
above that the majority of the Sri Lankans do need to work on their
fielding.
Signed,
Pat Rourke (you may not have heard of me)
~WISP at CU~
>In article <92244.123...@psuvm.psu.edu> SXK...@psuvm.psu.edu (Spaceman Spiff) writes:
>>>to start naming the worst! I think that the supporters of each test team
>>>should nominate the worst from their side that they can remember.
>>>
>>> Devon (I'll dive for this, oops i've missed it again) Malcolm
>>>
>>for india, three names spring to mind: b. s. chandrashekhar, dilip doshi and
>>sandip patil.
>>Stay cool,
>>The Thinker
>
>How about T.A.Shekar and Salil Ankola. I still would count Kiran More as one
>of the worst keeper I have ever seen (with respect to his keeping).
How about Moin Khan? That's the worst series I've ever seen played by a
keeper. I think he only got in the side because he's such a talkative
little chap...
Latif was much better...
Later,
The Wisp.
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As do the Pakistanis. If it hadn't been for some very poor fielding, and
catching in particular, England would have taken a much worse beating.
Exception must be made, though: Rashid Latif fielded very well throughout his
stints as super-sub...
Mr. Raza Syed
>sure to bring about some interesting flames. Anyway, I thought since
>the world's best test fielders were being discussed it might be appropriate
>to start naming the worst! I think that the supporters of each test team
>should nominate the worst from their side that they can remember.
>
>I'll start the ball rolling with one from the England test team -
>
> Devon (I'll dive for this, oops i've missed it again) Malcolm
>
>P.S. Don't say Phil Tuffnell until you have watched Devon in action. Tuffy
>has improved since the last Ashes tour.
>
>
>--
>Andrew Walker: Department of Computing Science, The University, Glasgow G12 8QQ
The phrase used by people back home for poor fielder is;
'Man he got holes in his hands!' :-)
S.R.Raza
Mr. Raza Syed
>In <1992Aug31.1...@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> and...@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Andrew Walker) writes:
>
>
>
>>I'll start the ball rolling with one from the England test team -
>
>> Devon (I'll dive for this, oops i've missed it again) Malcolm
>
>>Andrew Walker: Department of Computing Science, The University, Glasgow G12 8QQ
>
> My nomination (:->) from India is Dilip Doshi. Sandeep Patil, after
>his shoulder gave out, was a close competitor.
one i remember from pakistan was Zakir Khan ;)
S.R.Raza.
Mr. Raza Syed
>In article <dos105-01...@150.203.49.43> dos...@rsphy2.anu.edu.au (Darren O'Shaughnessy) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug31....@athena.mit.edu>, na...@athena.mit.edu
>>(Palitha Nalin Wikramanayake) wrote:
>>>
>>above that the majority of the Sri Lankans do need to work on their
>>fielding.
>
>As do the Pakistanis. If it hadn't been for some very poor fielding, and
>catching in particular, England would have taken a much worse beating.
>Exception must be made, though: Rashid Latif fielded very well throughout his
>stints as super-sub...
>
>The Wisp.
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Agree! pakistan never was a good fielding side, they perform well in the
field only in patches.
S.R.Raza.
SKEPTICAL
>
>> Devon (I'll dive for this, oops i've missed it again) Malcolm
>
>>Andrew Walker: Department of Computing Science, The University, Glasgow G12 8QQ
>
> My nomination (:->) from India is Dilip Doshi. Sandeep Patil, after
>his shoulder gave out, was a close competitor.
Dilip Doshi was the KING.
He converted singles to doubles like nobody could.
His throws were like Frank Tanana pitching for the
Detroit Tigers.
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>The phrase used by people back home for poor fielder is;
> 'Man he got holes in his hands!' :-)
>
>S.R.Raza
>
>
..or better, "Have you found the ball, yet?". I sounds much better in Hindi,
or Marathi, though!
DEVIATION MODE ................(BEEP).................
Reminds me, (doesn't it always!!) of many an incident on the green top.
1. Richard Hutton to the batsman (Redpath?) after he played and missed,
" Why're you pulling the slips' legs, mate? Why don't you edge one for
a change?"
------ Sunil Gavaskar describing one of the highlights of the Aus vs
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2. A friend of mine (in Bombay) used to bowl like lightning, or at least,
that was what it was like for *us* batsmen. We used to play with a
rubber ball on an asphalt road after it had rained! The ball bounced
and sped past us in a micro second and many a time we wore abdomen
guards! (Yes, against a rubber ball)
......and every time we missed, the bowler would sing, "Doondho,
Doondho, re Sajna."
( These are the lines of a famous song, which in effect translates as,
"Search, Search, my beloved!")
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RAJIB DATTA
>From: and...@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Andrew Walker)
>Subject: World's worst fielder
>Date: 31 Aug 92 15:21:00 GMT
Jimmy Higgs was one of the worst!
Raj.
5912ra...@vms.csd.mu.edu
How about Hirwani from India.
and as a marginal choice Arshad Ayub.
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>In article <67...@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt9...@prism.gatech.EDU (SUNDAR) writes:
>>In article <92244.123...@psuvm.psu.edu> SXK...@psuvm.psu.edu (Spaceman Spiff) writes:
>>>>to start naming the worst! I think that the supporters of each test team
>>>>should nominate the worst from their side that they can remember.
>>>>
>>>> Devon (I'll dive for this, oops i've missed it again) Malcolm
>>>>
>>>for india, three names spring to mind: b. s. chandrashekhar, dilip doshi and
>>>sandip patil.
>>>Stay cool,
>>>The Thinker
>>
>>How about T.A.Shekar and Salil Ankola. I still would count Kiran More as one
>>of the worst keeper I have ever seen (with respect to his keeping).
>
>How about Moin Khan? That's the worst series I've ever seen played by a
>keeper. I think he only got in the side because he's such a talkative
>little chap...
>
even anshuman gaekwad would qualify for this.
rakesh
Darren O'Shaughnessy
(Pat Rourke) wrote:
> Navjot Sidhu strikes me as being lazy in the field, but I'll agree with the
> above that the majority of the Sri Lankans do need to work on their
> fielding.
>
> Signed,
> Pat Rourke (you may not have heard of me)
Yike!! When I asked my mind who the Indian batsman who opened with Ravi
Shastri on the Australian tour last year was, it (stupid mind) gave me
Navjot Sidhu. So he did, but he isn't the bad fielder I was thinking of -
try Kris Srikkanth for someone who doesn't like to get his hands behind the
ball.
I apologise to Mr. Sidhu for any slur on his cricket abilities. I think.
Spaceman Spiff
(Darren O'Shaughnessy) says:
>
> Yike!! When I asked my mind who the Indian batsman who opened with Ravi
>Shastri on the Australian tour last year was, it (stupid mind) gave me
>Navjot Sidhu. So he did, but he isn't the bad fielder I was thinking of -
>try Kris Srikkanth for someone who doesn't like to get his hands behind the
>ball.
>
and a very accurate thrower. you probably caught him on a bad day.
Stay cool,
The Thinker
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In article <1992Aug31.2...@julian.uwo.ca>, you write:
|> In article <karnik.715278130@mega> kar...@mega.cs.umn.edu (Neeran M. Karnik)
writes:
|> >In <1992Aug31.1...@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> and...@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk
(Andrew Walker) writes:
|> >
|> >
|> >
|> >>I'll start the ball rolling with one from the England test team -
|> >
|> >> Devon (I'll dive for this, oops i've missed it again) Malcolm
|> >
|> >>Andrew Walker: Department of Computing Science, The University, Glasgow
G12 8QQ
|> >
|> > My nomination (:->) from India is Dilip Doshi. Sandeep Patil, after
|> >his shoulder gave out, was a close competitor.
|>
|>
|> one i remember from pakistan was Zakir Khan ;)
Also don't forget ABDUL QADIR. He has missed quite a few catches specially
those high rise ones.
|>Raza.
Kashif Ahmed
The Phoenix
>In article <dos105-01...@150.203.49.43>, dos...@rsphy2.anu.edu.au
>(Pat Rourke) wrote:
>
>> Navjot Sidhu strikes me as being lazy in the field, but I'll agree with the
>> above that the majority of the Sri Lankans do need to work on their
>> fielding.
>>
>> Signed,
>> Pat Rourke (you may not have heard of me)
>
> Yike!! When I asked my mind who the Indian batsman who opened with Ravi
>Shastri on the Australian tour last year was, it (stupid mind) gave me
>Navjot Sidhu. So he did, but he isn't the bad fielder I was thinking of -
>try Kris Srikkanth for someone who doesn't like to get his hands behind the
>ball.
Hey, wait a second Srikanth doesn't like to get his hands behind the
ball, that's a new one. As far as I am concerned Srikanth is one of
the best cover fielders in the field, have seen him pick and hit the
stumps in one single motion. He is next only to Azharuddin and Kapil
when it comes to the outfield.
The Phoenix
>
> Signed,
> Pat Rourke (you may not have heard of me)
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chances on ocassions but on the whole he was not a mediocre(sp?) fielder.
S.R.Raza
>|>Raza.
>
>Kashif Ahmed
Sudhindranath SG
I am not sure whether Abdul Qadir was a good fielder or not, but
I can say that he was the world's worst "appealer". Never have
I seen or heard of any bowler appealing for a dismissal when
the ball was hit for a six!
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(Sudhindranath SG) writes:
I am not sure whether Abdul Qadir was a good fielder or not, but
I can say that he was the world's worst "appealer". Never have
I seen or heard of any bowler appealing for a dismissal when
the ball was hit for a six!
>
I would like to propose the following names:
Greg Matthews of past : He used to jump in joy without even
looking at umpire only to see the Batsman standing rooted
at the crease abd the Umpire with no expression on his face.
Manoj Prabhakar and More in tandem.
Bhaskar Natarajan
(deleted)
>try Kris Srikkanth for someone who doesn't like to get his hands behind the
>ball.
> I apologise to Mr. Sidhu for any slur on his cricket abilities. I think.
>
> Signed,
> Pat Rourke (you may not have heard of me)
But Srikkanth was accepted as one of the most brilliant fielders when he
arrived on the test scene. And he really was good till some yrs. back. This
must have been a bad time for him.
Bhaskar
Dimitrios Papadopoulos
>I saw the posting on world's worst fielder (?)...
>How about B.S. Chandrasekhar (sp ?)..
>He made Dilip Doshi look good
>Cotah
Yup Chandra was not a great fielder but two of his catches of his own
bowling in the second innings of the test India won in 1971 against
England were great by any set of standards.I think the batsmen were
Illingsworth and Snow.
--Pushkar
Murali Cotah
Muhammad Faheem
My Vote Goes To "Sikander Bakht" Of Pakistan.
CORSAIR the Pirate
Ravi Ratnayake (SL), Rumesh Ratnayake (SL), Mohinder Amarnath (Ind),
Wasim Akram (in the '87 WC), Salim Jaffer (Pak), Dilip Vengsarkar (after
'89), Kiran More (Ind) (what a pathetic keeper!), Atul Wassan (Ind),
Dilip Doshi (Ind), Chandrashekar (Ind) (although he was affected by polio).
Some of the best fielders I've seen are:
Eknath Solkar (Ind)
Azharuddin (Ind)
Dean Jones (Aust)
Pataudi Jr. (Ind)
Harper (WI)
Logie (WI)
Botham (Eng) ---> slips.
Srikkanth (Ind)
Maninder Singh (Ind)
Boon (Aust)
Ejaz Ahmed (Pak)
Along with these, I remember the Kiwis and Zimbabweans coming in for a lot of
praise for their fielding during the '87 WC.
Oh, also, before everyone freaks out, some of the above mentioned fielders
were very good in their heydays. Now of course, Sri is not as good.
Some of the best keepers I've ever seen are:
Marsh (Aust)
Knott (Eng) ---> saw him only once, and was very impressive
S.Vishwanath (Ind)
Kirmani (Ind)
Salim Yusuf (Pak) --> He's had his moments
Dujon (WI)
Stay cool.
May the Schwartz be with you.
Corsair the Pirate
Sanjay Dhanda
|> Some of the worst fielders I have seen are Salil Ankola (Ind),
|> Ravi Ratnayake (SL), Rumesh Ratnayake (SL), Mohinder Amarnath (Ind),
|> Wasim Akram (in the '87 WC), Salim Jaffer (Pak), Dilip Vengsarkar (after
|> '89), Kiran More (Ind) (what a pathetic keeper!), Atul Wassan (Ind),
|> Dilip Doshi (Ind), Chandrashekar (Ind) (although he was affected by polio).
|>
|> Some of the best fielders I've seen are:
|>
|> Eknath Solkar (Ind)
|> Azharuddin (Ind)
|> Dean Jones (Aust)
|> Pataudi Jr. (Ind)
|> Harper (WI)
|> Logie (WI)
|> Botham (Eng) ---> slips.
|> Srikkanth (Ind)
|> Maninder Singh (Ind)
How about Sunil Gavaskar. He has taken some very outstanding catches in the
slips during his career. In one of the very low scoring one-day matches
against Pakistan when India was dismissed for 125, he took 4 or 5 brilliant
catches to contribute towards Inidia's victory (I think this was one of the
matches at Sharjah). Even otherwise, Gavaskar has taken catches consistently
and quite a few of them were brilliant. He may not have been as consistent as
Solkar, but he was nevertheless a good fielder in the slips.
Andrew Manning
And my vote for best (from current players) is for Mark Greatbatch (he's
absolutely amazing).
Andrew M.
John Michael McMullan
It's a bit dissapointing to see that your list of the best wicket keepers does
not include what a lot of commentators called the best in the world from the mid
eighties to the recent world cup where he was getting just a bit old and tired
to stick it with the 'Young Guns'.
IAN SMITH - I wish I knew his actual figures but I do know that he has the best
record in NZ. Not many other international sides seem to keep their keepers
long enough for them to establish themselves as REALLY GOOD wicket keepers.
But still I think it's time we looked at someone else. A lot of the blame for
not beating Pakistan in the semi seemed to fall on his shoulders.
All the same, I'm still surprised he is forgotten so easily.
BTW if I'm wrong and Ian Smith was really useless and visiting commentators
were just being polite/patronising then please remember that Ian Smith came
along just before Knott and Marsh (who were v.good) retired.
Simon Juden
is. Unequivocally, definitely, indisputably. Me.
Simon
CORSAIR the Pirate
I agree. He was indeed quite consistent in the slips, and a reliable pair of
hands. In fact, I do recall him taking a fantastic left-handed catch during
the '87 WC. The ball was ankle-high, and Gavaskar comfortably scooped it
up. If my memory serves me correct, he was fielding at mid-on.
Also, I received mail from a Bari-fan. Another truth: Bari was quite an
impressive keeper. Any idea how long his carrer lasted? I don't recall hearing
about him after '86.
CORSAIR the Pirate
always a threat with the bat. Who can forget his incredible 179 v India
in 1990?
Nadeem Moghal
>Also, I received mail from a Bari-fan. Another truth: Bari was quite an
>impressive keeper. Any idea how long his carrer lasted? I don't recall hearing
>about him after '86.
Wasim Bari was a brilliant 'keeper, who had to his credits some of the
most amazing dismissals ever witnessed. Here is a classic that somes
to mind: I have just seen this in photos :-(
Keeping to a spinner (who could well have been Intikhab), he once
took a very sharp edge which was seemingly going towards the gulley
fielder. he stretched fully on his right side, and held the ball at
the tips of his gloved fingers. 'twas an amazing catch.
On another occasion, keeping to a fast bowler, he moved to the leg
side, anticipating a leg-glance. But the batsman (Right-handed)
had an outside edge, and the ball flew towards the first slip. Bari
dived on his right, full-length, and caught the ball when he was
parallel to the ground. It was a breath-taking spectacle.
His career spanned from the 1967 English tour to that to the Aussie-
land in 1983-84. In all, he played 81 tests (a Pakistani record at
that time), and affetced 221 dismissals (202 catches and 19 stumpings).
He was the third keeper, after Knott and Marsh, to cross 200 scalps.
(Wait a minute. Didn't Godfrey Evans have 219 dismissals?)
>Stay cool.
>May the Schwartz be with you.
... with you too.
>Corsair the Pirate
Nadeem Moghal, the Trojan
Jon Thackray
In article <1992Aug31.1...@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> and...@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Andrew Walker) writes:
>
> I'll start the ball rolling with one from the England test team -
>
> Devon (I'll dive for this, oops i've missed it again) Malcolm
>
A good Indian Prospect for this category is Sandeep Patil.
If you want a "good" English candidate, there are far better (worse?)
than Devon in the fielding department. Phil Tufnell is one such, and
he and Devon could probably compete for world's worst test batsman
while they were at it.
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>It's a bit dissapointing to see that your list of the best wicket keepers does
>not include what a lot of commentators called the best in the world from the mid
>eighties to the recent world cup where he was getting just a bit old and tired
>to stick it with the 'Young Guns'.
>
>IAN SMITH -
Also Wasim Bari is probably the best keeper Pakistan ever produced.
I consider him at par with Alan Knott and Rodney Marsh in wicket
keeping abilities.
mrich...@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu
>
> A good Indian Prospect for this category is Sandeep Patil.
>
> If you want a "good" English candidate, there are far better (worse?)
> than Devon in the fielding department. Phil Tufnell is one such, and
> he and Devon could probably compete for world's worst test batsman
> while they were at it.
> --
>
Whole new can of worms here (or in the word's of an immortal Globe and
Mail journalist, this "opens up a whole Pandora's kettle of worms") -
as far as worst BATSMAN to (dis)grace an international crease with any
regularity is concerned, someone's earlier suggestion for worst
fielder - Ewen Chatfield - has got to be a top contender.
Neeran M. Karnik
>Whole new can of worms here (or in the word's of an immortal Globe and
>Mail journalist, this "opens up a whole Pandora's kettle of worms") -
>as far as worst BATSMAN to (dis)grace an international crease with any
>regularity is concerned, someone's earlier suggestion for worst
>fielder - Ewen Chatfield - has got to be a top contender.
Is it a coincidence that the world's worst batsmen are also, to a large
extent the world's worst fielders ? Chatfield, Chandrashekhar, Dilip Doshi,
Malcolm, etc are a few examples....
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Ramana Ramachandran
Iam not sure of chatfield's record but Iam sure B.S.chndrashekar's
record of poor batting is unlikely ever to be surpassed!
ramana
ram...@unislc.slc.unisys.com
John Michael McMullan
I really think that this world's worst fielder thread is getting out of hand.
Ewen Chatfield while certainly not a consistently good fielder had his flashes
of brillance. Most notable was a caught & bowled against England in a one
day international match (David Gower). I still see replays of it over here all
the time (along with some other great Kiwi catches).
As for criticism of his batting. I'm a bit young to remember it properly but
as we all know, once No.11 is out in a test-match that's the end of the
innings. Sitting around the TV with a bunch of my father's friends watching
Ewen Chatfield and Jeremy Coney batting for what seemed like hours (but can't
have been longer than a session) was definitely an experience I will not
easily forget. Every ball he faced was expected to be the last. As I recall
these two batted out valuable time and scored enough runs to avoid the
follow-on. Another great Kiwi pastime :-).
Also in my club gear is an old Gray-Nicholls Scoop cricket bat that Ewen
donated to the club. There is a large red circle that marks the spot on the
bat where he drove Dennis Lillee for four runs (off or cover drive, I forget
which).
Max Walker (Aussie Commentator?) once called him the greatest No. 11 batsman
in the game. If that isn't a batting compliment, what is?
END - my ego trip on Ewen Chatfield.
So lay off the bunny fielders/batters. In a cricket team everybody has to
bat+field and the fact that someone can't bat or field very well yet still
manages to make their country's international side consistently means they
must have been/be a very valuable bolwer (eg Phil Tuffnel!).
All the same it is very interesting seeing what people from other countries
think of players past and present :-).
R.D. Lynn
writes:
>In <1992Sep14....@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu> mrich...@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu writes:
>>Whole new can of worms here (or in the word's of an immortal Globe and
>>Mail journalist, this "opens up a whole Pandora's kettle of worms") -
>>as far as worst BATSMAN to (dis)grace an international crease with any
>>regularity is concerned, someone's earlier suggestion for worst
>>fielder - Ewen Chatfield - has got to be a top contender.
> Is it a coincidence that the world's worst batsmen are also, to a large
>extent the world's worst fielders ? Chatfield, Chandrashekhar, Dilip Doshi,
>Malcolm, etc are a few examples....
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In his early years, there is no doubt that Chatfield was a terrible fielder,
but you could no say that about him in his later years. Some of the catches he
took off Richard Hadlee at fine leg (mistimed hooks usually) were very good.
As for his batting, he wouldn't be considered a player with great natural
ability, but when it comes to guts and determination, he was number 1.
One only has to remember his 50+ match winning stand with Coney against
Pakistan in 1985, to justify the last statement. This against some hostile
fast bowling from a young Wasim Akram. Remember that Chatfield had been
struck in the head by a short, fast rising delivery from Peter Lever in
1975.
My vote for worst batsman - Bruce Reid
ecrj...@economics.adelaide.edu.au
> In <1992Sep14....@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu> mrich...@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu writes:
>
>>Whole new can of worms here (or in the word's of an immortal Globe and
>>Mail journalist, this "opens up a whole Pandora's kettle of worms") -
>>as far as worst BATSMAN to (dis)grace an international crease with any
>>regularity is concerned, someone's earlier suggestion for worst
>>fielder - Ewen Chatfield - has got to be a top contender.
I'm sure the test series Mark Waugh has just had with the bat would make many a
tail order batsman jealous :-)
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mrich...@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu says:
>
>Whole new can of worms here (or in the word's of an immortal Globe and
>Mail journalist, this "opens up a whole Pandora's kettle of worms") -
>as far as worst BATSMAN to (dis)grace an international crease with any
>regularity is concerned, someone's earlier suggestion for worst
>fielder - Ewen Chatfield - has got to be a top contender.
as i have repeatedly posted before, noone comes even close to b. s. chandra
in the category of worst batsman ever. anyone who manages to "score" 167
runs in 58 test matches has to be phenomenally bad.
also, on the topic of 4 successive ducks, pat pocock had 2 pairs in the last
two tests of the 1984(?) WI-Eng "blackwash" series.
Stay cool,
The Thinker
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Nadeem Moghal
>as i have repeatedly posted before, noone comes even close to b. s. chandra
>in the category of worst batsman ever. anyone who manages to "score" 167
>runs in 58 test matches has to be phenomenally bad.
Oh, come on, guys. Give poor Chandra a break! He does not deserve all these
"accolades" on his fielding, if you know what I mean! :-)
When we talk of bad batsmen and bad fielders, we mean those players who
are either inefficient, slow and/or without the required talent. Chandra
had a physical handicap, and those who saw him in action would thank the
heavens to have given him enough to represent India. He was, I think, six
or seven when he was struck by Polio, and lost his right hand movement.
As I recall his bowling action, there was no bend in his arm at any time.
He could managge to bowl, and did an awesome job at that. But it was
while fielding and batting that this came as a real handicap. I remember
the only test I saw him perform - against Pakistan at Karachi, 1978-79.
Gavaskar got a hundred in each innings (111 & 137) but Chandra must have
received more applause than each of his successful defence than Sunny
for the whole of his innings!
He used left hand for writing, which occupied the thin grey area between
legible hand and otherwise.
>Stay cool,
Will try!
>The Thinker
Same here. And also a "rememberer"
Nadeem Moghal
University of Southern California
Nadeem Moghal
>as i have repeatedly posted before, noone comes even close to b. s. chandra
>in the category of worst batsman ever. anyone who manages to "score" 167
>runs in 58 test matches has to be phenomenally bad.
Just one more point that I omitted (very conveniently :-) ) in my previous
posting:
Chandra belongs to that rare group of players who have more wickets than
runs in their test careers. His comparison is 166 (or, is it 167) & 242.
Another name is that of Terry Alderman whose name has apparently eluded
everyone. If ever there was a player who COULD NOT bat, 'twas Terry! His
record at one time read 69 runs and 105 wickets (or the whereabouts!).
That was around '87.
There has to be a criterion of a minimum number of test matches for a
player to have played before he could "qualify" for this list. Otherwise
Pakistan can have a "proud entrant," by the name of Miran Bux. He played
a couple of tests against India, in 1954-55, scored a single and perhaps
a duck, and returned with two wickets.
Any more names?
>Stay cool,
>The Thinker
Nadeem Moghal
Conrad Leviston
: Some of the worst fielders I have seen are Salil Ankola (Ind),
: Ravi Ratnayake (SL), Rumesh Ratnayake (SL), Mohinder Amarnath (Ind),
: Wasim Akram (in the '87 WC), Salim Jaffer (Pak), Dilip Vengsarkar (after
: '89), Kiran More (Ind) (what a pathetic keeper!), Atul Wassan (Ind),
: Dilip Doshi (Ind), Chandrashekar (Ind) (although he was affected by polio).
:
: Some of the best fielders I've seen are:
:
: Eknath Solkar (Ind)
: Azharuddin (Ind)
: Dean Jones (Aust)
: Pataudi Jr. (Ind)
: Harper (WI)
: Logie (WI)
: Botham (Eng) ---> slips.
: Srikkanth (Ind)
: Maninder Singh (Ind)
: Boon (Aust)
: Ejaz Ahmed (Pak)
:
: Along with these, I remember the Kiwis and Zimbabweans coming in for a lot of
: praise for their fielding during the '87 WC.
:
: Oh, also, before everyone freaks out, some of the above mentioned fielders
: were very good in their heydays. Now of course, Sri is not as good.
It is interesting that you include David Boon here. He is a very
good fielder close in, but I seem to remember that early on in his career
he was somewhat of a liability until the Australian hierarchy decided to
make him a specialist.
:
: Stay cool.
: May the Schwartz be with you.
: Corsair the Pirate
:
I see that your Schwartz is bigger than mine.
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fielders I've seen. I guess I should have clarified that.
During the '87 WC, all the Australians fielded generally well, including Boon
(of course, he became much better well-known for his batting in that
tournament). After that, I saw him in the Nehru Cup where his poor form
distracted me from his fielding (until he scored 49 vs India (who else?) to
regain form), and then in NZ for the Rothman's Triangular between NZ, Aust
& India in 1989/90. I recall some good saves by Boon, and was impressed by
the fact that someone as stocky as Boon could move so quickly in the field.
I did not see the series between India and Aust last season, so I do not
know how well any of the players fielded, although of course the papers
and the net were filled with articles about the ineptitude of the Indian
fielders.