Indian fans made monkey noises. They didnt call Symonds a monkey. Making
monkey noises is considered as general harassment in India.
I heard the skipper of our local Indian team tell his players that
they fielded like monkeys.
If I had wobbled up to my batting partner and told him to run
everything because these guys are fielding like monkeys, and the
monkeys had heard me say it, would that be abuse ?
" Ground authorities were forced to flash the ICC's revised anti-racism
code on the replay screen."
Once again, if it happened in Australia the screams from the Indian fans in
this group would be deafening
You might note that this is exactly the same line as is trotted out by
Australians who protest that what the rest of the world perceives as
unpleasantly racist abuse is merely harmless banter.
No doubt you will be as tolerant of those who shout their friendly
banter from the stands when India tour Australia, even if it sounds
like a lot of racist bollocks.
Cheers,
Mike, preparing goose and gander sauce
--
Probably they had no other option.
> Once again, if it happened in Australia the screams from the Indian fans
> in this group would be deafening
No. You are using this as an excuse. Indian fans abused Srilankans in
WorldCup semifinals. Srilankans are not Australians.
If the abuse is about color of the person then it is racist abuse.
> No doubt you will be as tolerant of those who shout their friendly
> banter from the stands when India tour Australia, even if it sounds
> like a lot of racist bollocks.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mike, preparing goose and gander sauce
> --
It has nothing to do with Symonds being dark skinned. Fans would have made
the same noises even if some other Aussie player is fielding in place of
Symonds.
I am not condoning the abuse of Symonds by Indian fans but it is definitely
not racist abuse. There is a history of Indian fans harassing players even
from Sirlanka, Pakistan and WI. Surely it cant be racist since SL and Pak
players are brown skinned just like Indians.
Indian fans did not call Symonds a monkey.
Please supply sample or shut the fuck up.
>
> No doubt you will be as tolerant of those who shout their friendly
> banter from the stands when India tour Australia, even if it sounds
> like a lot of racist bollocks.
Lots of abuse like chucker but that is not racist. Now there was a stir last
year with the term "kaffir" been used . Some claim that it was SA ex - pats
but I assume it was picked up by quite a few Aussies as well. And they
rightly copped heaps about it in the press and on here.
Any crowd will always have its share of racist loudmouths but the result is
usually a quick exit from the ground courtesy of the police
I pointed out some of the Indian fans abused Srilankans and Pakistanis in
the past even though they belong to the same race as Indians.
How does that make me racist ?
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/racist
You really are showing what an idiot you are with that statement.
You are abusing me because you are a racist yourself and you are not able to
counter my point.
Some Indian fans abused Srilankans and Pakistanis in the past, threw bottles
on to the ground when India lost to those teams including World Cup 96
semis. The match was called off and it was awarded to Srilanka because
Indian crowd set fire to a part of the ground infrastructure.
Srilankans and Pakistanis belong to the same race as Indians.
Indians fans behaviour must be condemned unconditionally for their behavior
but they were not being racist as being twisted by you and others.
>
>"Mike Holmans" <mi...@jackalope.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:o79tg3167bblj876p...@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 14:58:34 -0700, "David Singh"
>> <DavidS...@yahoo.com> tapped the keyboard and brought forth:
>>
>>>
>>>"Darkfalz" <darkf...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:1192139725.7...@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
>>>> Good to see irony is not lost on the Indians.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Indian fans made monkey noises. They didnt call Symonds a monkey. Making
>>>monkey noises is considered as general harassment in India.
>>
>> You might note that this is exactly the same line as is trotted out by
>> Australians who protest that what the rest of the world perceives as
>> unpleasantly racist abuse is merely harmless banter.
>
>Please supply sample or shut the fuck up.
The endless posts from Australians who tell us that "paki" is only
hamrless banter in Australia and they don't see why everyone else
objects to them using the term are the longest-standing example in
rsc.
>>
>> No doubt you will be as tolerant of those who shout their friendly
>> banter from the stands when India tour Australia, even if it sounds
>> like a lot of racist bollocks.
>
>Lots of abuse like chucker but that is not racist. Now there was a stir last
>year with the term "kaffir" been used . Some claim that it was SA ex - pats
>but I assume it was picked up by quite a few Aussies as well. And they
>rightly copped heaps about it in the press and on here.
>
>Any crowd will always have its share of racist loudmouths but the result is
>usually a quick exit from the ground courtesy of the police
My point is that the Indians who are condoning the offensive abuse
directed at Symonds will have no right to complain about racist
Australian loudmouths without incurring the charge of hypocrisy.
I'm not alleging that all Australians are racists. As we know, there
are racists everywhere, including in India.
Cheers,
Mike
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Anyway, it all sounds a bit petty. If sections of the crowd thought that
Roy looked like a monkey, it isn't necessarily racism. At the risk of
sounding racist myself, it's ironic that the dark-skinned spectators
launched a barrage against the only dark-skinned player in the Australian
team and then it's called racism.
We're all one race anyway. The human race (except CretinLeague - he's a
different species entirely).
--
George
"We've got Jews and perverts and bullies and all kinds of sinners in this
town, Sister Ann." - Eric Cartman - 26 July 2000
You are implying that all dark skinned people look like monkeys.
> We're all one race anyway. The human race (except CretinLeague - he's a
> different species entirely).
I concur with this comment. CretinLeague is a unique specie.
Which Indians condoned the abuse of Symonds ?
>will have no right to complain about racist
> Australian loudmouths without incurring the charge of hypocrisy.
Symonds issue has nothing to do with his his race.
> I'm not alleging that all Australians are racists. As we know, there
> are racists everywhere, including in India.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mike
There are hardly any people belonging to white, black or other oriental
races in India.
And your subject header isn't inherently racist? You have lost the
moral high ground to condemn the Indians.
It's called conversation.
I am sure your language appears like monkey noises to those Indians.
if they did, it is to be condemned. indian crowds have on occasion
been this way with regard to west indian players as well, and racist
comments do circulate in the stands. if people can't stomach the
possibility of their team losing, they shd not come to the grounds.
ah, so you haven't seen a Darkfalz post before?
A Darkfalz post being racist is about as surprising as the ocean being
wet.
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Unfortunately, a minority section of Indian crowds is not above
such moronic racist behaviour. In the past, West Indian players
like Cameron Cuffy and Mervyn Dillon were subject to racist
taunts by a section of the spectators in Mumbai. I hope this
doesn't happen in the future. Also, this incident shouldn't be
as an excuse by racist Aussie morons to inflict racial abuse
on Indian players and supporters when India visit Australia
this summer.
I would never imply such a thing. Some don't.
>
>> We're all one race anyway. The human race (except CretinLeague - he's a
>> different species entirely).
>
>
> I concur with this comment. CretinLeague is a unique specie.
>
>
I'm sure he's a wonderful person deep down. No-one I know has ever dug that
far, however.
--
George
"If I was a towel, why would I be wearing this hat and this fake
moustache" - Steven McTowelie - 19 April 2006
Indian players and supporters are welcome in Australia anytime. If I
personally witness any hostility toward people from India, and my #2 team, I
will not take too kindly to it. Banter is one thing, and targetting an
individual player for some reason is somewhat acceptable, but anything
beyond that is too far. I sincerely hope that your suggestion that "racist
Aussie morons" may spoil the summer prove to be unfounded. I can't
guarantee anything, because Australia has more than its fair share of stupid
people. Most, as in "nearly all", Australians will not venture the path
that you've mentioned. Only time will tell.
--
George
"In the outside world I am a simple geologist, but in here I am Falcor,
Defender of the Alliance." - Randy Marsh - 4 October 2006
It's not petty; a member of the opposition team should not be
mistreated like this by fans; be it in Australia, Spain, or India.
On the flip side, the kind of reaction this got is also significant.
By calling this a racist act - although it was a reprehensible act it
likely was not racist - certain Aussies like Will and DarkF probably
now think that they would be justified in treating the Indian players
the same way when India visit Australia. (I know first hand BTW that
they are minority - I have visited Australia twice and have nothing
but warm stories to tell about Australians). I bet a few folks like
those two now feel that they have a justification and perhaps even a
'cause'. This age-old beast that feeds on itself - it will never die.
> If sections of the crowd thought that
> Roy looked like a monkey, it isn't necessarily racism.
It probably wasn't which does not make it any less inexcusable.
Calling someone who looks like Symonds a monkey is grossly racist in
nations like USA, Australia, et al. Howard Cosell was fired from his
job after he said "look at that monkey run" even though it was proved
later that he routinely called his grandchildren 'monkeys'. However,
I doubt if most of the Indian fans knew of the significance of
'monkey' in the western world vis-Ã -vis racism.
> it's ironic that the dark-skinned spectators
> launched a barrage against the only dark-skinned player in the Australian
> team and then it's called racism.
Well said; it was implicitly racist. Not sure if any of those who
called it racist fathom the infinite irony of their own statements.
> We're all one race anyway. The human race (except CretinLeague - he's a
> different species entirely).
Same race, but certainly not same class! :-) Also, you have to
include the like of Will and DarkF in this CretinLeague you speak of
(I know who you are referring to).
Have you read "end of racism" by Dinesh D'Souza? I recommend that
book to all. You may no agree with it, but you will certainly find it
very interesting.
> "We've got Jews and perverts and bullies and all kinds of sinners in this
> town, Sister Ann." - Eric Cartman - 26 July 2000
The Tourette Syndrome episode was so funny; it's great how they have
not lost their edge after all these years. When Cartman called Kyle's
mom "long-nosed Kyke" and got a 'thank you' Kyle's mom, I laughed so
hard, not only did I wake up my SO, I probably woke up most of my
neighbors.
Sanjiv Karmarkar
Ah but it isn't the Australians who shout racist banter from the
stands in Aus,
everyone knows it's the expat SAfricans who do all that.
The stuff shouted out by Australians is always witty, entertaining and
erudite; it's just too bad that some tourists have no sense of humour
and feign offence at the stuff served up to them
Higgs
"Sanjiv Karmarkar" <s_kar...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1192200820....@t8g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 12, 12:38 am, "Wog George" <wog-NotThisBit-geo...@amd-p.com>
wrote:
> Anyway, it all sounds a bit petty.
[Sanjiv's bit]
It's not petty; a member of the opposition team should not be
mistreated like this by fans; be it in Australia, Spain, or India.
On the flip side, the kind of reaction this got is also significant.
By calling this a racist act - although it was a reprehensible act it
likely was not racist - certain Aussies like Will and DarkF probably
now think that they would be justified in treating the Indian players
the same way when India visit Australia. (I know first hand BTW that
they are minority - I have visited Australia twice and have nothing
but warm stories to tell about Australians). I bet a few folks like
those two now feel that they have a justification and perhaps even a
'cause'. This age-old beast that feeds on itself - it will never die.
[my bit]
I'm glad you felt that way in Australia. Are you coming to Australia this
summer?
I hope what you've suggested about the potential behaviour of some
Australians does not come to pass.
[Sanjiv's bit, including my original]
> If sections of the crowd thought that
> Roy looked like a monkey, it isn't necessarily racism.
It probably wasn't which does not make it any less inexcusable.
Calling someone who looks like Symonds a monkey is grossly racist in
nations like USA, Australia, et al. Howard Cosell was fired from his
job after he said "look at that monkey run" even though it was proved
later that he routinely called his grandchildren 'monkeys'. However,
I doubt if most of the Indian fans knew of the significance of
'monkey' in the western world vis-Ã -vis racism.
[my bit]
You may or may not have heard of Bert Newton of Australian TV fame. One of
his catch phrases was "I like the boy", but it had less than the desired
effect when he said it to Muhammad Ali at the Logie Awards (like the Emmy's,
only worse) in the 70's. Ali was horrified and wanted blood. Ali asked if
Bert had said "Roy" or "boy". Assuming that Ali must have been offended at
being called Roy, Newton reaffirmed that he had indeed said "boy". Usage of
the word "boy" in Australia meant absolutely nothing, but from Ali's
perspective it was one of the most offensive things he could have been
called.
[Sanjiv's bit, including my original]
> it's ironic that the dark-skinned spectators
> launched a barrage against the only dark-skinned player in the Australian
> team and then it's called racism.
Well said; it was implicitly racist. Not sure if any of those who
called it racist fathom the infinite irony of their own statements.
[my bit]
It's similar to when Lleyton Hewitt inadventently discombobulated the apple
cart at the US Open a few years ago by suggesting that a dubious line call
from a line umpire may have been triggered by the fact that the line umpire
shared the same skin colour as James Blake. In fact, it isn't similar at
all. Lleyton's unfortunate outburst was racially motivated no matter how
racially tolerant he may be. I doubt anyone hurling abuse at Roy (not
"boy") would have considered it racism for even a microsecond.
[Sanjiv's bit, including my original]
> We're all one race anyway. The human race (except CretinLeague - he's a
> different species entirely).
Same race, but certainly not same class! :-) Also, you have to
include the like of Will and DarkF in this CretinLeague you speak of
(I know who you are referring to).
[my bit]
I can't really comment. I've thought that much of it was sarcasm but I
could be horribly wrong. I also may not be referring to the particular
posts that you've seen.
[Sanjiv's bit, with none of my bits]
Have you read "end of racism" by Dinesh D'Souza? I recommend that
book to all. You may no agree with it, but you will certainly find it
very interesting.
[my bit]
I shall look for this book and give you my appraisal. I'm a slow reader
though.
[Sanjiv's bit, including my sig]
> "We've got Jews and perverts and bullies and all kinds of sinners in this
> town, Sister Ann." - Eric Cartman - 26 July 2000
The Tourette Syndrome episode was so funny; it's great how they have
not lost their edge after all these years. When Cartman called Kyle's
mom "long-nosed Kyke" and got a 'thank you' Kyle's mom, I laughed so
hard, not only did I wake up my SO, I probably woke up most of my
neighbors.
[my bit]
The latest episode seems to take a swipe at most people. It's about Randy
Marsh doing what he thinks is the biggest crap in history, measuring 8.6
Courics (see sig). Bono lies about doing one bigger until it's revealed
that he isn't the record holder, he's the actual record, set in 1960.
--
George
"The standard measuring unit for human faeces. One Katie Couric is
approximately 2½ pounds of excrement." - European Faecal Standards &
Measurements - 10 October 2007
Awwww, You take all the fun out of spectating.
F**k'n Collingwood Cretins - oops, Cricket season, isn't it. Must be - WA
thrashed NSW in a one dayer today.
Anyway, Collingwood will still be cretins next winter!
In the meantime - the Indians are here - OOK!
Ærchie
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You did with your comment.
>>
>>> We're all one race anyway. The human race (except CretinLeague - he's a
>>> different species entirely).
>>
>>
>> I concur with this comment. CretinLeague is a unique specie.
>>
>>
> I'm sure he's a wonderful person deep down. No-one I know has ever dug
> that far, however.
>
> --
> George
> "If I was a towel, why would I be wearing this hat and this fake
> moustache" - Steven McTowelie - 19 April 2006
>
I dont give a damn with how wonderful CretinLeague is deep down. Its what he
is outside that counts. He is a moron.
It was Symonds who made that statement to the media a few days back.
> Don't know if that makes the behaviour right, more so because I always
> thought we gave visiting cricketers - whether from the regular test
> nations or even from countries like Zimbabwe - a lot of respect.
>
> Ravi Kumar
There will always be an unruly, hooligan crowd in every game. Some Inidan
fans have a habit of throwing bottles onto the ground and harassing players
when India loses badly without putting up a fight. It happened in the past
with Srilankan, Pakistani, West Indies, England and now with Australian
teams.
Harassment of Symonds by the Indian fans must be condemned unequivocally but
there is no racism involved in his harassment.
not dinesh d'souza!!!! he was on dan quayle's staff iirc. part of the
american rightwing media undergrowth.
>
> The endless posts from Australians who tell us that "paki" is only
> hamrless banter in Australia and they don't see why everyone else
> objects to them using the term are the longest-standing example in
> rsc.
I'd disagree with that Mikey. The usage of 'Paki' in Australia certainly
isn't 'harmless banter'. It's just the standard description for someone
from Pakistan. There's no side on it at all. It's exactly like 'Yank',
'Kiwi' & 'Pommybastard'. To support this I'd offer that whenever the Pakis
tour here there'll be a banner sports headline or several blaring something
like 'PAKIS IN TROUBLE IN TEST'. A headline you won't see in Pomland.
Of course this is only the opinion of someone who's lived here for many
decades, Michael may well be correct in the opinion he's reached based on a
couple of brief visitis to these golden shores. The possibility that he was
mixing with card carrying expat Marlybone members while he was here is
infinitisimal.
alvi
>On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 02:31:11 +0100, Mike Holmans wrote:
So you object to the description of the term as harmless banter in
Australia and then proceed to explain that it is harmless banter in
Australia, as the other terms you cite so obviously are. I fail to
understand your point.
As to your insinuations about my social contacts in Australia, the
only Marylebone CC member I can actually remember talking to in
Australia was CMJ, with whom I once had a two-minute conversation in
baggage reclaim at Kingsford-Smith. On one trip I did also speak to
the writer Alan Hill, but we weren't in Australia by then, spotting
each other as we got on the plane after refuelling at Singapore. My
escort to the MCG Pavilion was a law student I'd met playing pool late
at night in a bar off Bourke St. The other Melbourne CC Members I
drank with all had impeccable Australian accents, although I can't
speak to their length of residence in Girt-By-Sea.
But that was in pre Barmy Army days, when it was reasonably simple for
a lone independent traveller to attend Test matches in Australia and
be welcomed as a rarity. There was the odd bar where it was made
fairly clear that Poms weren't wanted, but mostly people were
fantastically friendly and only too pleased to give a royal welcome to
an overseas visitor. (I get the same reactions now when travelling in
mid-America: they don't get English tourists in Norman, OK or Texas
City, TX.) Having met the proto-Army in 1992, and knowing a few who've
been since, they seem nice enough but I can imagine that the vast
swarm makes it difficult to get to know people well enough to get
pressganged into their pub quiz team. But I learned very quickly that
trying to apply my London standards of what constitutes an ethnic slur
and making a fuss about them was not a good way of getting shouted a
beer.
Clearly my knowledge is somewhat out of date, although we get quite a
few Australians in London, some of those with IT skills ending up in
my office so I'm not completely cut off from civilisation as you know
it.
Cheers,
Mike
--
There were 3 local teams here that were mainly made up of Indians, now
there is one combined team called Belfast international. A very good
team too, they just got promotion. I have umpired them a few times and
years ago I played against some of their players in the lower leagues,
they are decent guys who have built a good team with a good plan. No
oul crap from them these days, just good cricket with no negativity
Most of them have Irish accents too.
<wipes away a nostalgic tear>
I miss that.
--
Rodney Ulyate
"It's a sad day for cricket that this pressure can allow Muralitharan
to bowl whatever he wants."
Geoff Boycott
Austrlalian fans and crowds did harass Srilankan players like Murali in the
past. McGrath abused Srilankan players to be ugly monkeys as per Mahanama's
biography irrc.
> On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 12:56:48 +1000, alvey <is...@allinterested.com>
> tapped the keyboard and brought forth:
>
>>On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 02:31:11 +0100, Mike Holmans wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> The endless posts from Australians who tell us that "paki" is only
>>> hamrless banter in Australia and they don't see why everyone else
>>> objects to them using the term are the longest-standing example in
>>> rsc.
>>
>>I'd disagree with that Mikey. The usage of 'Paki' in Australia certainly
>>isn't 'harmless banter'. It's just the standard description for someone
>>from Pakistan. There's no side on it at all. It's exactly like 'Yank',
>>'Kiwi' & 'Pommybastard'. To support this I'd offer that whenever the Pakis
>>tour here there'll be a banner sports headline or several blaring something
>>like 'PAKIS IN TROUBLE IN TEST'. A headline you won't see in Pomland.
>>
>>Of course this is only the opinion of someone who's lived here for many
>>decades, Michael may well be correct in the opinion he's reached based on a
>>couple of brief visitis to these golden shores. The possibility that he was
>>mixing with card carrying expat Marlybone members while he was here is
>>infinitisimal.
>
> So you object to the description of the term as harmless banter in
> Australia
No, I "disagree" with your opinion.
> and then proceed to explain that it is harmless banter in
> Australia, as the other terms you cite so obviously are. I fail to
> understand your point.
That'd be because you keep using 'banter' regardless of what I'm saying.
Repeat. "There's no side on it at all." Example #2;
Bruce #1: That new dude in HR, do u know if he's an Indian, a Paki or what?
Bruce #2: Dunno. Why?
Bruce #1: I'm thinking of having a hol in India and etc etc
snip solid bite.
alvey
> I'm glad you felt that way in Australia. Are you coming to Australia this
> summer?
Not it near future I'm afraid. Really enjoyed myself down under;
great weather, nice people, and really pretty women! Would love to go
back at the earliest opport.
> I shall look for this book and give you my appraisal. I'm a slow reader though.
No need to amend your reading list just on my behest! Dinesh has
written a couple of very good - and controversial - books: Illiberal
Education and End of racism. Unfortunately, he has been writing utter
tripe lately. Met him at an event a few months ago; very interesting
fellow.
Sanjiv Karmarkar
> not dinesh d'souza!!!! he was on dan quayle's staff iirc.
And that automatically disqualifies him from being an interesting
writer, doesn't it?
You guys crack me up. Aren't you guys always condemning the Right for
having knee-jerk reactions?
Sanjiv Karmarkar
It doesnt.
> You guys crack me up. Aren't you guys always condemning the Right for
> having knee-jerk reactions?
>
> Sanjiv Karmarkar
>
Indians will be better off completely ignoring Dinesh D Souza.
so are you condemning the Indian actions or not? or are you trying to
justify the Indian action by saying the Aussies do it?
The hypocrisy abounds, if ( and maybe when ) incidents like this occur in
Aus this summer you and this crop of Indian posters will be baying for
blood
I have tried to put forward that argument in relation to some comments by
parts of Australian crowds and I get howled down as racist as well. Often
comments which a funny in one culture are considered insensitive in another,
the Paki VS. Pakistani comments on this thread come to mind, and of course
the context also come into it.
I personally believe that 90% of the banter/abuse from Australian fans is
meant to be in good humour eg the Murali CHUCKER chant and even the " racist
" kaffir calls from members of the crowd in Syd and Bris after the SAs got
upset about the comments by expats at the WACA.
What I can't understand and totally oppose is crowd violence and the
throwing of things onto the field which seems more common on the sub
continent but does occur in Aus and elsewhere
Dinesh D Souza is a pathological hindu hater. He is worse than Jerry
Falwell, Pat Robertson and the rest of the american christian terrorists
combined.
There's an unoffensive definition for "kaffir"?
> What I can't understand and totally oppose is crowd violence and the
> throwing of things onto the field which seems more common on the sub
> continent
I can't argue there. Asian cricket has a long history of disrespect
for its playing areas.
--
Rodney Ulyate
"If theer's enny gem int'world 'a' attracts t'alf-baked theorist
mooar'an crikkit, Ah've yet ta 'ear av it."
Fred Trueman
Seeing as I'd explicitly said earlier that I wasn't supporting the
actions of the Indians, what do you reckon?
> The hypocrisy abounds, if ( and maybe when ) incidents like this occur in
> Aus this summer you and this crop of Indian posters will be baying for
> blood- Hide quoted text -
>
The hypocrisy and dishonesty is all yours, as usual.
You're always one of the first to support the racist taunts of
Australian fans by either denying they happen, blaming expat SAfricans
or else explaining to us that 'Can't you speak English, you stupid
bloody Indian' (as applied to Panesar) isn't actually racist at all
and simply shows what a thin skin he (Panesar) has.
Higgs
really, where?
>
>> The hypocrisy abounds, if ( and maybe when ) incidents like this occur in
>> Aus this summer you and this crop of Indian posters will be baying for
>> blood- Hide quoted text -
>>
>
> The hypocrisy and dishonesty is all yours, as usual.
> You're always one of the first to support the racist taunts of
> Australian fans by either denying they happen, blaming expat SAfricans
> or else explaining to us that 'Can't you speak English, you stupid
> bloody Indian' (as applied to Panesar) isn't actually racist at all
> and simply shows what a thin skin he (Panesar) has.
hypocrite
>Ærchie heralded his long-awaited comeback with:
>> The curfew had been lifted and the gamblin' wheel shut down, Anyone with
>> any sense had already left town. Yet SultanOfSwing was standin' in the
>> doorway saying [...]
>
><wipes away a nostalgic tear>
>
>I miss that.
Been busy and my ISP didn't like newsgroups :(
But now the AFL season is over and honest WA is being destroyed by the
arrogant Blues I'm back.
Looks like the multi-failing Jacques has scored enough to give him another
chance at the Test opener's spot.
And Doug Bollinger took a hat trick and did everything he could to get the
fourth in four balls.
Which raises the question - how often have four in a row been taken at
first-class level?
As you know, Chukky, Google is your friend
Higgs
and I googled and I didn't, I also never supported racist comments by
Australian players or crowds as you claimed. Tine for you to slink off AGAIN
you have been caught Lying AGAIN
Whilst Google may be your friend, you still obviously don't know how
to use it.
Either that or you're lying again.
Probably both.
>From Oct 15th 2007:
------------------------------------------
Dechucka contended:
> I personally believe that 90% of the banter/abuse from Australian fans is
> meant to be in good humour eg the Murali CHUCKER chant and even the " racist
> " kaffir calls from members of the crowd in Syd and Bris after the SAs got
> upset about the comments by expats at the WACA.
There's an unoffensive definition for "kaffir"?
snip
--
Rodney Ulyate
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Higgs
Welcome back.
--
Rodney Ulyate
"I didn't do it, Trevor; it must have hit something."
Ray Lindwall after bowling Trevor Bailey for a pair with an
apparently unplayable
leg-cutter
"I think a little roast duckling would be appropriate."
Trevor Bailey, placing his restaurant order
Welcome back.
Comprehension problems again I see Huggies, where am I supporting RACIST
comments? and of course you haven't produced where you supposedly said this
"Seeing as I'd explicitly said earlier that I wasn't supporting the actions
of the Indians, what do you reckon?
huggies your back to your normal deliberate misrepresenting and deliberate
misinterpreting of what people have said with a bit of out and out lying
thrown in
>Ærchie mounted:
>> The curfew had been lifted and the gamblin' wheel shut down, Anyone with
>> any sense had already left town. Yet rodney...@gmail.com was standin'
>> in the doorway saying:
>>> Ærchie heralded his long-awaited comeback with:
>>>> The curfew had been lifted and the gamblin' wheel shut down, Anyone with
>>>> any sense had already left town. Yet SultanOfSwing was standin' in the
>>>> doorway saying [...]
>>> <wipes away a nostalgic tear>
>>> I miss that.
>> Been busy and my ISP didn't like newsgroups :(
>
>Welcome back.
Good to be back, although I fear I have been plonked by a number of
contributors.
West Aussies aren't welcome in some areas. :)
They are when playing NSWs
Welcome back.
As mentioned earlier, you're unable to use Google. I stated that I
wasn't supporting Indian actions, that you can't find it is your
problem.
Then you went on to say that you'd never supported Australian racist
comments, so I simply scrolled up a few posts and reposted one of your
many statements supporting Australian racism.
Clang knows there enough to choose from
snip
Higgs
You've just been Higgsed! Join the club, its a big one.
Higgs stated, verbatim, "Seeing as I'd explicitly said earlier that I
wasn't supporting the actions of the Indians, what do you reckon?".
To which you DIRECTLY responded "really, where?".
And he responded, DIRECTLY, "As you know, Chukky, Google is your
friend".
That is CLEARLY directing you to use Google to search out Higgsy's
supposed statement that he'd, in his words, explicitly said earlier
that he wasn't supporting the actions of the Indians.
Yet when you replied you HAD Googled and found nothing what did Higgs
do? What he ALWAYS does, IGNORES what he claimed, and cannot support,
and simply SWITCHES tack, by calling you a liar and quoting you
saying something, NOTHING to do with HIS so called explicit claim.
This is text book Higgs, exhibit A.
In case anyone has been wondering where Higgsys' been lately he's
taken to stalking me in a gun politics ng. He's that desperate he's
he's inserted himself into discussions on gun politics merely to have
a go at me. He has NOTHING to contribute on gun politics which probaly
has those in that ng wondering "Who is this fool?".
Mind you he has made one statement regarding gun politics. A while
back he ventured into that gun politics ng and returned labelling me a
"real gun totin guy". He couldn't even get that right as even someone
as dense as Higgs should have worked out my stance is anti gun.
My advice is to ignore the demented LIAR, for that is what he surely
is.
Not only did I explicitly say that I didn't support the actions of the
Indian racists, I've repeated that assertion several times since. Most
recently about 1/2 an hour ago.
That Chuckwit cannot find it is his problem, not mine.
> In case anyone has been wondering where Higgsys' been lately he's
> taken to stalking me in a gun politics ng. He's that desperate he's
> he's inserted himself into discussions on gun politics merely to have
> a go at me. He has NOTHING to contribute on gun politics which probaly
> has those in that ng wondering "Who is this fool?".
>
Of course, anyone who clicks on the 'view profile' box on google
groups can see where I've been spending my time recently.
It's quite obvious that it isn't on the gun politics ng.
Most people already know you to be a liar, Phil.
Posts like your last one do nothing to dispel this opinion
Higgs
Hmmmppphhhhhhh
Enjoy the win while you can - It is W.A.'s "pura cup" this season!
Asian cricket fans disrespect grounds is very much better than european
sports fans racism and murdering fellow sports fans he he he he please all
praise me as a genius becose no body every said it to me. I am here to make
very many internet friends.
http://goal.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/08/09/q-a-fighting-racism-in-european-soccer/
http://www.psfk.com/2007/04/hooligans_riot_.html
http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/02/04/sports/fans.php
http://article.wn.com/view/2007/10/17/Soccer_fans_hospitalized_before_Russias_European_Championshi/
http://www.grudge-match.com/History/soccer.shtml
http://football.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,9753,1660884,00.html
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,832213,00.html
really where?
>
> Then you went on to say that you'd never supported Australian racist
> comments, so I simply scrolled up a few posts and reposted one of your
> many statements supporting Australian racism.
pity it didn't show me doing that, comprehension problems again
>
> Clang knows there enough to choose from
well find some then
> Not only did I explicitly say that I didn't support the actions of the
> Indian racists, I've repeated that assertion several times since. Most
> recently about 1/2 an hour ago.
really where
maybe maybe not but on that performance I doubt it
That is funny:-) However, at least I (used to) personally object to
the abuse
perpetuated by the Aussie players on the grounds of "thats all good
hard
fun" (for instance, the bit about "how does Lara's c**k taste?"). I'm
fully
ready to believe that the vast majority of Aussie fans are cricket
lovers, and
the racist variety constitute only a small minority, and in any
democracy,
you cannot legislate against the actions of a few, no matter how
distasteful
(as in, I support the rights of the KKK to march, much as I detest the
values
of that organization).
The antics of Sreesanth are an embarassment to many of us (the
shoulder
charge of Vaughan was stupid in the extreme) and Harbhajan goes over
the top sometimes. Sad as it is, professional sportsmen have to
shoulder
a fair amount of abuse and turn the other cheek -- whether the monkey
noises against Symonds were racially motivated, I don't know, but the
point remains that much of the complaints against the Aussies in the
past
was against the *team* behavior and not the fans. And that is a big
difference.
Bharat [is there a vegetarian equivalent of gander sauce?]
Then WHY, when he told he couldn't find your "explicit" statement, did
you reply by quoting HIM thus "I personally believe that 90% of the
banter/abuse from Australian fans is meant to be in good humour eg the
Murali CHUCKER chant and even the " racist " kaffir calls from
members of the crowd in Syd and Bris after the SAs got upset about the
comments by expats at the WACA."? THAT is not your "explicit"
statement, its not even your statement. That is why I CORRECTLY
noted your pathetic tactic of simply ignoring what you've been
challenged on and switching tack.
When queried by dechucka on this apparent avoidance you limply tried
to brush it aside by launching an accusation against him that had
NOTHING to do with issue under discussion (your so called "explicit"
statement that you didn't support Indian racists). And you even got
that WRONG! Dechucka's statement is NOT, as you claimed, proof that he
had supported Australian racist comments, it was proof of EXACTLY what
he said. Do YOU have a figure on what % of banter/abuse from
Australian fans is racist? If it is 50% for instance then you'll need
to show why we should take your % over dechucka's.
>
> > In case anyone has been wondering where Higgsys' been lately he's
> > taken to stalking me in a gun politics ng. He's that desperate he's
> > he's inserted himself into discussions on gun politics merely to have
> > a go at me. He has NOTHING to contribute on gun politics which probaly
> > has those in that ng wondering "Who is this fool?".
>
> Of course, anyone who clicks on the 'view profile' box on google
> groups can see where I've been spending my time recently.
> It's quite obvious that it isn't on the gun politics ng.
>
> Most people already know you to be a liar, Phil.
> Posts like your last one do nothing to dispel this opinion
So you didn't venture to talk.guns.politics and offer NO COMMENT
WHATSOEVER on gun politics? If you did venture there, and we both know
you did, what was your aim? If it was to embarrass yourself then you
succeeded, spectacularly.
As USUAL you make an accusation that I'm a liar WITHOUT A SHRED OF
EVIDENCE to support that claim. And also as USUAL you snipped out
where I showed you to be a complete dill. Like the true coward you
hope that if you snip out the VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE of your stupidity
then it might just all go away. Bad luck, not only will it remain on
the record, but your snipping of it only exposes you to further
ridicule. Though that may not be technically
possible, I think you've already reached saturation point.
Because, as I made quite clear in my initial reply, Chuckwit clearly
has no idea how to use Google.
I, however, do.
As an example, I provided him with a sample of his own defence of
Australian crowd racism.
You're pretty thick, aren't you?
> When queried by dechucka on this apparent avoidance you limply tried
> to brush it aside by launching an accusation against him that had
> NOTHING to do with issue under discussion (your so called "explicit"
> statement that you didn't support Indian racists). And you even got
> that WRONG! Dechucka's statement is NOT, as you claimed, proof that he
> had supported Australian racist comments, it was proof of EXACTLY what
> he said. Do YOU have a figure on what % of banter/abuse from
> Australian fans is racist? If it is 50% for instance then you'll need
> to show why we should take your % over dechucka's.
>
Really?
How dumb are you?
Do you (or anyone else for that matter) have a % figure on the 'fact'
that Australian crowd banter/racism is in good humour?
If you're going to argue that Chuckwits figure is right, then you'll
have to produce some sort of evidence to back this up.
Oh, that's right, you never produce any evidence, do you?
>
> > > In case anyone has been wondering where Higgsys' been lately he's
> > > taken to stalking me in a gun politics ng. He's that desperate he's
> > > he's inserted himself into discussions on gun politics merely to have
> > > a go at me. He has NOTHING to contribute on gun politics which probaly
> > > has those in that ng wondering "Who is this fool?".
>
> > Of course, anyone who clicks on the 'view profile' box on google
> > groups can see where I've been spending my time recently.
> > It's quite obvious that it isn't on the gun politics ng.
>
> > Most people already know you to be a liar, Phil.
> > Posts like your last one do nothing to dispel this opinion
>
> So you didn't venture to talk.guns.politics and offer NO COMMENT
> WHATSOEVER on gun politics? If you did venture there, and we both know
> you did, what was your aim? If it was to embarrass yourself then you
> succeeded, spectacularly.
>
Yup, you're a certified lying moron with comprehension problems.
If you reread my post, you'll see that I say I usually appear on rsc
and rsru, with occasional visits elsewhere.
This is not only true, it's checkable.
I don't deny visiting TPG (where you're known as the local looney) on
occasions, but the last time was about 2 months ago. So if anyone asks
where I've been lately, the answer would surely be rsc and rsru.
Funnily enough, I only went to tpg to wind you up after you came to
rsc to support Colin and try to stalk me over god knows what.
I found it extremely amusing when you got so upset and accused me of
visiting newsgroups that I didn't usually visit and having a go at
you.
So did most of the other members of tpg.
Irony isn't one of your strong points, is it?
> As USUAL you make an accusation that I'm a liar WITHOUT A SHRED OF
> EVIDENCE to support that claim. And also as USUAL you snipped out
> where I showed you to be a complete dill. Like the true coward you
> hope that if you snip out the VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE of your stupidity
> then it might just all go away. Bad luck, not only will it remain on
> the record, but your snipping of it only exposes you to further
> ridicule. Though that may not be technically
> possible, I think you've already reached saturation point.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
You claimed that lately I've been visiting other newsgroups,
specifically tpg (which is presumably why I wasn't here) with the
sole intention of stalking you.
A quick perusal of easily checkable internet facts shows this not to
be true and that you are in fact lying.
Again.
Why don't you take your own advice and ignore me, thicko?
Higgs
We Dockers supporters live on hope and dreams.
And the Warriors traditionally begin poorly, even in successful years.
>On Oct 11, 6:40 pm, Mike Holmans <m...@jackalope.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> You might note that this is exactly the same line as is trotted out by
>> Australians who protest that what the rest of the world perceives as
>> unpleasantly racist abuse is merely harmless banter.
>>
>> No doubt you will be as tolerant of those who shout their friendly
>> banter from the stands when India tour Australia, even if it sounds
>> like a lot of racist bollocks.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Mike, preparing goose andgandersauce
>
>That is funny:-)
I'm glad someone sees the humour.
> However, at least I (used to) personally object to
>the abuse
>perpetuated by the Aussie players on the grounds of "thats all good
>hard
>fun" (for instance, the bit about "how does Lara's c**k taste?").
Despite Samarth's explanation that swearing is as tolerable in some
sections of Indian society as it is in the bible belt of the US South,
I still have some difficulty with the idea that professional
cricketers shouldn't be able to deal with simple abuse along the lines
of "You're fucking lucky to still be out here" or "We don't have to
worry about this bastard, guys, he's no fucking good", even if I think
it rather unnecessary.
But I agree with you that alleging that team members regularly perform
fellatio on the captain goes well beyond the tolerable.
>I'm
>fully
>ready to believe that the vast majority of Aussie fans are cricket
>lovers, and
>the racist variety constitute only a small minority, and in any
>democracy,
>you cannot legislate against the actions of a few, no matter how
>distasteful
>(as in, I support the rights of the KKK to march, much as I detest the
>values
>of that organization).
>
>The antics of Sreesanth are an embarassment to many of us (the
>shoulder
>charge of Vaughan was stupid in the extreme) and Harbhajan goes over
>the top sometimes. Sad as it is, professional sportsmen have to
>shoulder
>a fair amount of abuse and turn the other cheek -- whether the monkey
>noises against Symonds were racially motivated, I don't know, but the
>point remains that much of the complaints against the Aussies in the
>past
>was against the *team* behavior and not the fans. And that is a big
>difference.
Your point is quite valid. Though it is also not unfair to observe
that several of those who have been excusing the Indian crowd in rsc
are amongst the most diligent in searching out anything they can
conceivably dig up to add to their stack of evidence that all
Australians are unreconstructed racists.
As you correctly observe, no society is free of vicious bigots who
hate anyone who does not share their particular configuration of
ancestry and belief system; whether their bigotry is specifically
attuned to the amount of melanin in the skin, it is still revolting.
Cheers,
Mike
--
Not that thick that I can't see through your pathetic charade. You
FAILED COMPLETELY when dechucka asked you to support your claim. He
asked "where", and your response was to quote him on another matter.
YOU are the thick one if you think anyone was was fooled by that limp
effort.
>
> > When queried by dechucka on this apparent avoidance you limply tried
> > to brush it aside by launching an accusation against him that had
> > NOTHING to do with issue under discussion (your so called "explicit"
> > statement that you didn't support Indian racists). And you even got
> > that WRONG! Dechucka's statement is NOT, as you claimed, proof that he
> > had supported Australian racist comments, it was proof of EXACTLY what
> > he said. Do YOU have a figure on what % of banter/abuse from
> > Australian fans is racist? If it is 50% for instance then you'll need
> > to show why we should take your % over dechucka's.
>
> Really?
> How dumb are you?
>
> Do you (or anyone else for that matter) have a % figure on the 'fact'
> that Australian crowd banter/racism is in good humour?
> If you're going to argue that Chuckwits figure is right, then you'll
> have to produce some sort of evidence to back this up.
NOBODY has that % which is why dechucka stated ""I personally
believe ...". Despite YOU NOT having any contrary evidence you
pathetically tried to imply this was a condoning of racism. It WASN'T.
>
> Oh, that's right, you never produce any evidence, do you?
I asked QUESTION dummy, I did NOT make any claim about what the % may
or may not be, therefore NO evidence required on my part
>
>
>
> > > > In case anyone has been wondering where Higgsys' been lately he's
> > > > taken to stalking me in a gun politics ng. He's that desperate he's
> > > > he's inserted himself into discussions on gun politics merely to have
> > > > a go at me. He has NOTHING to contribute on gun politics which probaly
> > > > has those in that ng wondering "Who is this fool?".
>
> > > Of course, anyone who clicks on the 'view profile' box on google
> > > groups can see where I've been spending my time recently.
> > > It's quite obvious that it isn't on the gun politics ng.
>
> > > Most people already know you to be a liar, Phil.
> > > Posts like your last one do nothing to dispel this opinion
>
> > So you didn't venture to talk.guns.politics and offer NO COMMENT
> > WHATSOEVER on gun politics? If you did venture there, and we both know
> > you did, what was your aim? If it was to embarrass yourself then you
> > succeeded, spectacularly.
>
> Yup, you're a certified lying moron with comprehension problems.
Certified by whom? Oh, that's right, you. Pity you can't VERIFIABLY
prove I'm a liar isn't it? All you can do is squeal like a stuck pig
that I lie, proof is totally beyond you, so far beyond you you don't
even bother to offer any.
>
> If you reread my post, you'll see that I say I usually appear on rsc
> and rsru, with occasional visits elsewhere.
> This is not only true, it's checkable.
OUTRIGHT LIE, and easily proven so. You did NOT say that you "usually
appear on rsc and rsru, with occasional visits elsewhere" at all.
You stated, VERBATIM, "Of course, anyone who clicks on the 'view
profile' box on google groups can see where I've been spending my time
recently.". NO mention of where you usually appear, NO mention of
rsru. You just happily LIE when cornered even if you know that LIE
will be quickly exposed.
I DID click on "view profile' and it shows you in tpg LAST MONTH, as I
said CORRECTLY you've been there lately.
>
> I don't deny visiting TPG (where you're known as the local looney) on
> occasions, but the last time was about 2 months ago. So if anyone asks
> where I've been lately, the answer would surely be rsc and rsru.
>
> Funnily enough, I only went to tpg to wind you up after you came to
> rsc to support Colin and try to stalk me over god knows what.
I stalk YOU? That's a laugh. WHEN was the last time I went to another
newsgroup chasing you? I'll give you the answer, NEVER.
>
> I found it extremely amusing when you got so upset and accused me of
> visiting newsgroups that I didn't usually visit and having a go at
> you.
Dreaming again are we? I wasn't upset you stalked me in tpg, sorry to
disappoint you. I DID accuse you of visiting newsgroups that you
didn't usually visit and having a go at me, and I was 100% CORRECT,
that's EXACTLY what you did do.
>
> So did most of the other members of tpg.
>
> Irony isn't one of your strong points, is it?
Exposing your shenanigans is though, though in truth that's not
particularly difficult.
>
> > As USUAL you make an accusation that I'm a liar WITHOUT A SHRED OF
> > EVIDENCE to support that claim. And also as USUAL you snipped out
> > where I showed you to be a complete dill. Like the true coward you
> > hope that if you snip out the VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE of your stupidity
> > then it might just all go away. Bad luck, not only will it remain on
> > the record, but your snipping of it only exposes you to further
> > ridicule. Though that may not be technically
> > possible, I think you've already reached saturation point.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> You claimed that lately I've been visiting other newsgroups,
> specifically tpg (which is presumably why I wasn't here) with the
> sole intention of stalking you.
> A quick perusal of easily checkable internet facts shows this not to
> be true and that you are in fact lying.
> Again.
Higgs caught LYING, again. Redhanded.
And the truth? Read on and hang your head in shame Ken.
I stated, VERBATIM, "In case anyone has been wondering where Higgsys'
been lately he's taken to stalking me in a gun politics ng." And WHERE
have you been lately? Why in talk.politics.guns of course, and the
record PROVES this. Google shows that since May 2002 you have posted
in 61 seperate months, the latest being this month, October 2007. And
when of those 61 separate months was the last time you posted in
talk.politics.guns? Why, September 2007 according to the record it
seems. That sounds suspiciously like "lately" to me Kenny. Last month
from a total over 5 years is lately, make no mistake about it. How you
could deny this only you would know.
And you WERE there with sole intention of stalking me because you made
NO comment on the subject matter of the newsgroup, even when I gave
you the opportunity.
>
> Why don't you take your own advice and ignore me, thicko?
>
> Higgs
Probably because it would let you off the hook for COWARDLY snipping
out verifiable evidence of your idiocy, which along with making false
claims appears o be your only talent. This is schoolboy stuff from you
Kenny, time to grow up.
I had no issue with the "how's Nagma skipper?" and think that nowadays
calling someone a "b**tard" does not imply that his mother was
virtueless
(though, I will point out in Samarth's defense, that 30 years ago I
got
into a knock-down fistfight with a kid in the 9th grade, for calling
him a
s-o-b, and he took that as an insult against his mother, whereis my
intention was solely to insult him).
My primary issue, however, was with the views of those, for example,
who think that saying something about McGrath's wife's cancer is
totally
reprehensible, while accusing someone of being a homosexual is
just "one of the things boys do." There are parts in India today,
where
you might get killed for suggesting someone was less than manly, or
at the very least be prepared to defend yourself from great physical
harm -- and my issue was with those who apply their norms to suggest
one abuse is OK, and another isn't.
It lies in the opinion of the abused -- Symonds was clearly extremely
upset by the "monkey" slur (he was extremely downhearted when he
got the award) and he quite possibly viewed it as racist, whereas
calling
someone a monkey in India (or making monkey noises) is relatively
routine and not in the slight bit racist on the school playground --
(I'm not
suggesting it was or wasn't racially motivated here, I don't know --
however,
when it was clear that Symonds perceived it as racist, I would have
thought that it would make sense to stop -- otoh, as a professional
sportsman
to let others know of such a gaping chink in your armour is inviting
more
abuse on those lines, distasteful as it is).
But as we agreed earlier, thats the crowd doing it, and there is a
marked
difference between the behavior of some idiots -- and it is a pity, as
Symonds had a wonderful wonderful series, and instead of looking back
on this tour as one of the highlights of his career, he will recall it
with
quite some negative feelings mixed in.
> As you correctly observe, no society is free of vicious bigots who
> hate anyone who does not share their particular configuration of
> ancestry and belief system; whether their bigotry is specifically
> attuned to the amount of melanin in the skin, it is still revolting.
That I'm 100% in tune with. There is no subsection of society, that
doesn't have its complete & full share of total a**ehol*s, regardless
of whether the division is by racial origin, nation, religion,
education,
gender, age, or even something random like "those born on the 2nd
Tuesday of the month" or "with national identity #s ending in 7" etc.
Bharat
How about, "You come in my way, I'm gonna fuckin' kill you, you
motherfucker"?
snip
> Because, as I made quite clear in my initial reply, Chuckwit clearly
> has no idea how to use Google.
Huggies your problem is that you have been caught lying AGAIN
snip
snip
>
> Not that thick that I can't see through your pathetic charade. You
> FAILED COMPLETELY when dechucka asked you to support your claim. He
> asked "where", and your response was to quote him on another matter.
> YOU are the thick one if you think anyone was was fooled by that limp
> effort.
>
>
I think almost everyone, bar you and Chuckwit himself, know what I was
doing.
Chuckwit has a habit of making accusations, then posting 'Google is
your friend' when asked to provide evidence.
It's always amusing to turn someone's words back on them.
>
> > > When queried by dechucka on this apparent avoidance you limply tried
> > > to brush it aside by launching an accusation against him that had
> > > NOTHING to do with issue under discussion (your so called "explicit"
> > > statement that you didn't support Indian racists). And you even got
> > > that WRONG! Dechucka's statement is NOT, as you claimed, proof that he
> > > had supported Australian racist comments, it was proof of EXACTLY what
> > > he said. Do YOU have a figure on what % of banter/abuse from
> > > Australian fans is racist? If it is 50% for instance then you'll need
> > > to show why we should take your % over dechucka's.
>
> > Really?
> > How dumb are you?
>
> > Do you (or anyone else for that matter) have a % figure on the 'fact'
> > that Australian crowd banter/racism is in good humour?
> > If you're going to argue that Chuckwits figure is right, then you'll
> > have to produce some sort of evidence to back this up.
>
> NOBODY has that % which is why dechucka stated ""I personally
> believe ...". Despite YOU NOT having any contrary evidence you
> pathetically tried to imply this was a condoning of racism. It WASN'T.
>
>
Actually, it was.
Again, there has been a number of posts here saying the same as I've
been saying.
ie two wrongs don't make a right, but it is laughable watching these
same Australians who for the past few years have been apologists for
Australian crowd racism getting hot under the collar over Indian crowd
racism.
>
> > Oh, that's right, you never produce any evidence, do you?
>
> I asked QUESTION dummy, I did NOT make any claim about what the % may
> or may not be, therefore NO evidence required on my part
>
>
So, as I said, you wont be producing any evidence, and never do
anyway?
>
> > > > > In case anyone has been wondering where Higgsys' been lately he's
> > > > > taken to stalking me in a gun politics ng. He's that desperate he's
> > > > > he's inserted himself into discussions on gun politics merely to have
> > > > > a go at me. He has NOTHING to contribute on gun politics which probaly
> > > > > has those in that ng wondering "Who is this fool?".
>
> > > > Of course, anyone who clicks on the 'view profile' box on google
> > > > groups can see where I've been spending my time recently.
> > > > It's quite obvious that it isn't on the gun politics ng.
>
> > > > Most people already know you to be a liar, Phil.
> > > > Posts like your last one do nothing to dispel this opinion
>
> > > So you didn't venture to talk.guns.politics and offer NO COMMENT
> > > WHATSOEVER on gun politics? If you did venture there, and we both know
> > > you did, what was your aim? If it was to embarrass yourself then you
> > > succeeded, spectacularly.
>
> > Yup, you're a certified lying moron with comprehension problems.
>
> Certified by whom? Oh, that's right, you. Pity you can't VERIFIABLY
> prove I'm a liar isn't it? All you can do is squeal like a stuck pig
> that I lie, proof is totally beyond you, so far beyond you you don't
> even bother to offer any.
>
Of course I can prove you're a liar, I just have.
I haven't been spending my time recently on tpg, that's easily
proveable, and I clearly didn't as you claimed, say I'd never visited
tpg.
>
>
> > If you reread my post, you'll see that I say I usually appear on rsc
> > and rsru, with occasional visits elsewhere.
> > This is not only true, it's checkable.
>
> OUTRIGHT LIE, and easily proven so. You did NOT say that you "usually
> appear on rsc and rsru, with occasional visits elsewhere" at all.
>
So when you click on the 'view profile' box, you don't see that I
spend most of my time on rsc and rsru with occasional visits
elsewhere?
> You stated, VERBATIM, "Of course, anyone who clicks on the 'view
> profile' box on google groups can see where I've been spending my time
> recently.". NO mention of where you usually appear, NO mention of
> rsru. You just happily LIE when cornered even if you know that LIE
> will be quickly exposed.
>
> I DID click on "view profile' and it shows you in tpg LAST MONTH, as I
> said CORRECTLY you've been there lately.
>
>
Sept 3rd, to be precise.
You posted your accusation that
'In case anyone has been wondering where Higgsys' been lately he's
taken to stalking me in a gun politics ng.'
on Oct 19th, so we're actually talking over 6 weeks ago.
If anyone wonders where I've been lately, it's obvious that I've been
on rsc and rsru.
> > I don't deny visiting TPG (where you're known as the local looney) on
> > occasions, but the last time was about 2 months ago. So if anyone asks
> > where I've been lately, the answer would surely be rsc and rsru.
>
> > Funnily enough, I only went to tpg to wind you up after you came to
> > rsc to support Colin and try to stalk me over god knows what.
>
> I stalk YOU? That's a laugh. WHEN was the last time I went to another
> newsgroup chasing you? I'll give you the answer, NEVER.
>
>
August this year.
>
> > I found it extremely amusing when you got so upset and accused me of
> > visiting newsgroups that I didn't usually visit and having a go at
> > you.
>
> Dreaming again are we? I wasn't upset you stalked me in tpg, sorry to
> disappoint you. I DID accuse you of visiting newsgroups that you
> didn't usually visit and having a go at me, and I was 100% CORRECT,
> that's EXACTLY what you did do.
>
>
After you last made one of your periodic visits to rsc, with the sole
purpose of having a go at me, I went to tpg and returned the favour.
You went into meltdown.
Hilarious
>
> > So did most of the other members of tpg.
>
> > Irony isn't one of your strong points, is it?
>
> Exposing your shenanigans is though, though in truth that's not
> particularly difficult.
>
>
Dream on
>
> > > As USUAL you make an accusation that I'm a liar WITHOUT A SHRED OF
> > > EVIDENCE to support that claim. And also as USUAL you snipped out
> > > where I showed you to be a complete dill. Like the true coward you
> > > hope that if you snip out the VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE of your stupidity
> > > then it might just all go away. Bad luck, not only will it remain on
> > > the record, but your snipping of it only exposes you to further
> > > ridicule. Though that may not be technically
> > > possible, I think you've already reached saturation point.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > You claimed that lately I've been visiting other newsgroups,
> > specifically tpg (which is presumably why I wasn't here) with the
> > sole intention of stalking you.
> > A quick perusal of easily checkable internet facts shows this not to
> > be true and that you are in fact lying.
> > Again.
>
> Higgs caught LYING, again. Redhanded.
>
care to provide some proof?
Oh, that's right, you never provide proof
> And the truth? Read on and hang your head in shame Ken.
>
> I stated, VERBATIM, "In case anyone has been wondering where Higgsys'
> been lately he's taken to stalking me in a gun politics ng." And WHERE
> have you been lately? Why in talk.politics.guns of course, and the
> record PROVES this. Google shows that since May 2002 you have posted
> in 61 seperate months, the latest being this month, October 2007. And
> when of those 61 separate months was the last time you posted in
> talk.politics.guns? Why, September 2007 according to the record it
> seems. That sounds suspiciously like "lately" to me Kenny. Last month
> from a total over 5 years is lately, make no mistake about it. How you
> could deny this only you would know.
>
So when you asign 'lately' to mean over 6 weeks ago, where do you
think I have been 'lately'?
Surely I've been on rsc and rsru. The record shows me posting to both
those groups throughout Oct.
Or fdoes that not count as 'lately' in your warped view?
> And you WERE there with sole intention of stalking me because you made
> NO comment on the subject matter of the newsgroup, even when I gave
> you the opportunity.
>
>
Wrong again
>
> > Why don't you take your own advice and ignore me, thicko?
>
> > Higgs
>
> Probably because it would let you off the hook for COWARDLY snipping
> out verifiable evidence of your idiocy, which along with making false
> claims appears o be your only talent. This is schoolboy stuff from you
> Kenny, time to grow up.
Ok, what did I snip out, you raving lunatic?
Higgs
but I always produce the evidence you just lie
No it is not, CretinLeague. I referred quite explicitly to disrespect
for cricket grounds. All of your links detailed footballing
hooliganism, and that's a different matter altogether.
--
Rodney Ulyate
"This game will be over any time from now."
Alan McGilvray, ABC Radio
Well, yes it is, but my point remains:
My dearest intellizent genios intellektual friend Rodney Ulyate,
I does not say european soccer fans play cricket in my comments.
He he he he he he please do not abuze my poor english langage skills and
kills you are a complex complicated difficult english langage guru, genius,
xpert, seer, oracle and god. Please apolozies to you for my poor englaish
langage skills and kills. CretinLeague is a bad person ujpset with me my
english language. He named me a moron like you. I felt so good to have so
many interent intellizent friends like Rodney Ulyate, Woggy Doggy, Dunford,
will_s and alvey.
Asian cricket fans disrespect grounds is very much better than european
My dearest intellizent genios intellektual friend Rodney Ulyate,
Your no point remain forever dirty and filthy whence you had no point but
hatred for indian fansu and Southeast asia generelly speaking and talking.
I does not say european soccer fans play cricket in my comments.
He he he he he he please do not abuze my poor english langage skills and
kills you are a complex complicated difficult english langage guru, genius,
xpert, seer, oracle and god. Please apolozies to you for my poor englaish
langage skills and kills. CretinLeague is a bad person ujpset with me my
english language. He named me a moron like you. I felt so good to have so
many interent intellizent friends like Rodney Ulyate, Woggy Doggy, Dunford,
will_s and alvey.
Asian cricket fans disrespect grounds is very much better than european
By you and Looney Smythe?
I hardly think so.
Smythe is the village idiot/fuckwit/know nothing of tpg, just as you
are to rsc & rsru
You two deserve each other
Higgs
Please don't vilify my alleged alias.
--
Rodney Ulyate
"It took us so long to win a Test ourselves, and I don't feel
qualified to make a statement on their cricket."
Stephen Fleming remembers New Zealand cricket's dark ages when
asked to comment on the current Zimbabwe side
nbo by your inability to produce the evidence you claim excisted for the
supposed comment you made
>
> I hardly think so.
you hardly think at the best of times
Nice try at avoidance Ken, pity it failed. You made a claim then when
asked to substantiate it you promptly switched tack. No surprises
really, that's one of your favourite tactics.
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > When queried by dechucka on this apparent avoidance you limply tried
> > > > to brush it aside by launching an accusation against him that had
> > > > NOTHING to do with issue under discussion (your so called "explicit"
> > > > statement that you didn't support Indian racists). And you even got
> > > > that WRONG! Dechucka's statement is NOT, as you claimed, proof that he
> > > > had supported Australian racist comments, it was proof of EXACTLY what
> > > > he said. Do YOU have a figure on what % of banter/abuse from
> > > > Australian fans is racist? If it is 50% for instance then you'll need
> > > > to show why we should take your % over dechucka's.
>
> > > Really?
> > > How dumb are you?
>
> > > Do you (or anyone else for that matter) have a % figure on the 'fact'
> > > that Australian crowd banter/racism is in good humour?
> > > If you're going to argue that Chuckwits figure is right, then you'll
> > > have to produce some sort of evidence to back this up.
>
> > NOBODY has that % which is why dechucka stated ""I personally
> > believe ...". Despite YOU NOT having any contrary evidence you
> > pathetically tried to imply this was a condoning of racism. It WASN'T.
>
> Actually, it was.
NO, actually it wasn't Ken. Only a complete fool would interpret
someone who believes that 90% of the banter/abuse from Australian fans
is meant to be in good humour is condoning racist comments. As a
complete fool might just draw that conclusion. I asked you before what
your % might be, but typically you declined to offer your opinion. So
what we have is is dechucka giving his opinion ans you putting your
own spin on that opinion and you giving NO opinion. Yep, sounds like
you all over.
> Again, there has been a number of posts here saying the same as I've
> been saying.
> ie two wrongs don't make a right, but it is laughable watching these
> same Australians who for the past few years have been apologists for
> Australian crowd racism getting hot under the collar over Indian crowd
> racism.
Thanks for that highly detailed summation where you boldly name names.
What a fearless crusader you are Kenny. Anybody who might suggest you
are simply a tiresome blowhard can't have seen that hard hitting
paragraph above where you tell all, all except who is supposed to done
this dastardly thing and what exactly they've actually done. Apart
from those omissions it's a brilliant denunciation.
>
>
>
> > > Oh, that's right, you never produce any evidence, do you?
>
> > I asked QUESTION dummy, I did NOT make any claim about what the % may
> > or may not be, therefore NO evidence required on my part
>
> So, as I said, you wont be producing any evidence, and never do
> anyway?
I NEVER made any claims regarding that situation, dechucka did and
gave a %, you reckoned he was wrong and gave NOTHING.
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > > > In case anyone has been wondering where Higgsys' been lately he's
> > > > > > taken to stalking me in a gun politics ng. He's that desperate he's
> > > > > > he's inserted himself into discussions on gun politics merely to have
> > > > > > a go at me. He has NOTHING to contribute on gun politics which probaly
> > > > > > has those in that ng wondering "Who is this fool?".
>
> > > > > Of course, anyone who clicks on the 'view profile' box on google
> > > > > groups can see where I've been spending my time recently.
> > > > > It's quite obvious that it isn't on the gun politics ng.
>
> > > > > Most people already know you to be a liar, Phil.
> > > > > Posts like your last one do nothing to dispel this opinion
>
> > > > So you didn't venture to talk.guns.politics and offer NO COMMENT
> > > > WHATSOEVER on gun politics? If you did venture there, and we both know
> > > > you did, what was your aim? If it was to embarrass yourself then you
> > > > succeeded, spectacularly.
>
> > > Yup, you're a certified lying moron with comprehension problems.
>
> > Certified by whom? Oh, that's right, you. Pity you can't VERIFIABLY
> > prove I'm a liar isn't it? All you can do is squeal like a stuck pig
> > that I lie, proof is totally beyond you, so far beyond you you don't
> > even bother to offer any.
>
> Of course I can prove you're a liar, I just have.
HOW TYPICAL! You prove I'm a liar by saying "I just have". Have you
patented this miracle debating technique?
>
> I haven't been spending my time recently on tpg, that's easily
> proveable, and I clearly didn't as you claimed, say I'd never visited
> tpg.
ANOTHER LIE by Kenny, is anyone keeping count? Lie 1, you HAVE been
spending time recently in tpg, the record PROVES you were there only
last month. Lie 2, I did NOT claim that you said you'd never visited
tpg. IF I did, then cut and paste my verbatim words to that effect.
Should be the last we hear of that spurious claim.
>
>
>
> > > If you reread my post, you'll see that I say I usually appear on rsc
> > > and rsru, with occasional visits elsewhere.
> > > This is not only true, it's checkable.
>
> > OUTRIGHT LIE, and easily proven so. You did NOT say that you "usually
> > appear on rsc and rsru, with occasional visits elsewhere" at all.
>
> So when you click on the 'view profile' box, you don't see that I
> spend most of my time on rsc and rsru with occasional visits
> elsewhere?
This must go down as your lowest moment Kenny, caught REDHANDED then
running away like a blubbing child. You stated, VERBATIM, "If you
reread my post, you'll see that I say I usually appear on rsc and
rsru, with occasional visits elsewhere." I challenged you on that
because you said NO SUCH THING.
And your response? As pathetic as they come. You simply abandoned your
original claim and now INSTEAD of you stating that you "usually appear
on rsc and rsru, with occasional visits elsewhere" I'm supposed go
hunting through your profile to see where you've actually been. I
already know that Kenny, you been stalking me in tpg.
And nice of you to ADD the qualifier "most of my time" which was NOT
part of any original claim. I stated you'd been stalking me in tpg and
you HAD. I NEVER postulated where you may or may not spent most of
your time, I could care less.
And WHAT happened to your VERBATIM claim "If you reread my post,
you'll see that I say I usually appear on rsc and rsru, with
occasional visits elsewhere."? I DID reread your post, and you DID NOT
say that. Why did you LIE and say you had?
>
> > You stated, VERBATIM, "Of course, anyone who clicks on the 'view
> > profile' box on google groups can see where I've been spending my time
> > recently.". NO mention of where you usually appear, NO mention of
> > rsru. You just happily LIE when cornered even if you know that LIE
> > will be quickly exposed.
>
> > I DID click on "view profile' and it shows you in tpg LAST MONTH, as I
> > said CORRECTLY you've been there lately.
>
> Sept 3rd, to be precise.
>
> You posted your accusation that
>
> 'In case anyone has been wondering where Higgsys' been lately he's
> taken to stalking me in a gun politics ng.'
Now you're learning Kenny, quote me directly and accurately.
>
> on Oct 19th, so we're actually talking over 6 weeks ago.
>
> If anyone wonders where I've been lately, it's obvious that I've been
> on rsc and rsru.
AND tpg as the record PROVES. You can squeal all you want, you do it
quite well, but the facts are there for everyone to see. If you don't
consider last month lately that only confirms my opinions about your
low level of literacy.
>
> > > I don't deny visiting TPG (where you're known as the local looney) on
> > > occasions, but the last time was about 2 months ago. So if anyone asks
> > > where I've been lately, the answer would surely be rsc and rsru.
>
> > > Funnily enough, I only went to tpg to wind you up after you came to
> > > rsc to support Colin and try to stalk me over god knows what.
>
> > I stalk YOU? That's a laugh. WHEN was the last time I went to another
> > newsgroup chasing you? I'll give you the answer, NEVER.
>
> August this year.
Hang on, aren't the man screeching that "So, as I said, you wont be
producing any evidence, and never do anyway?", that was you wasn't it?
Well I hate to have tell you this but just saying "August" is NOT
evidence in any way, shape or form. You FORGOT to mention what this
other newsgroup was that I went chasing you in, that would evidence.
Have another go Kenny and give us something substantive this time.
>
>
>
> > > I found it extremely amusing when you got so upset and accused me of
> > > visiting newsgroups that I didn't usually visit and having a go at
> > > you.
>
> > Dreaming again are we? I wasn't upset you stalked me in tpg, sorry to
> > disappoint you. I DID accuse you of visiting newsgroups that you
> > didn't usually visit and having a go at me, and I was 100% CORRECT,
> > that's EXACTLY what you did do.
>
> After you last made one of your periodic visits to rsc, with the sole
> purpose of having a go at me, I went to tpg and returned the favour.
>
> You went into meltdown.
Hardly, though I must admit almost splitting my sides with laughter
that you'd come all the way to tpg just to have a go at me. Maybe I
should be flattered?
>
> Hilarious
Yes, you certainly were, though I must admit the humour is wearing a
little thin and becoming a tad tiresome.
>
>
>
> > > So did most of the other members of tpg.
>
> > > Irony isn't one of your strong points, is it?
>
> > Exposing your shenanigans is though, though in truth that's not
> > particularly difficult.
>
> Dream on
Don't have to dream it, I'm doing it right now Mr "If you reread my
post, you'll see that I say I usually appear on rsc and rsru, with
occasional visits elsewhere.", or should that be Mr If you reread my
post you won't actually see that (because I didn't say it), but I'll
merely switch tack if someone picks me up on that and I won't ever
admit I lied even though it is patently obvious? I'd go with the
latter.
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > As USUAL you make an accusation that I'm a liar WITHOUT A SHRED OF
> > > > EVIDENCE to support that claim. And also as USUAL you snipped out
> > > > where I showed you to be a complete dill. Like the true coward you
> > > > hope that if you snip out the VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE of your stupidity
> > > > then it might just all go away. Bad luck, not only will it remain on
> > > > the record, but your snipping of it only exposes you to further
> > > > ridicule. Though that may not be technically
> > > > possible, I think you've already reached saturation point.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > You claimed that lately I've been visiting other newsgroups,
> > > specifically tpg (which is presumably why I wasn't here) with the
> > > sole intention of stalking you.
> > > A quick perusal of easily checkable internet facts shows this not to
> > > be true and that you are in fact lying.
> > > Again.
>
> > Higgs caught LYING, again. Redhanded.
>
> care to provide some proof?
>
> Oh, that's right, you never provide proof
You shouldn't jump to conclusions Kenny, the PROOF was in the very
next line.Why so jumpy?
>
> > And the truth? Read on and hang your head in shame Ken.
>
> > I stated, VERBATIM, "In case anyone has been wondering where Higgsys'
> > been lately he's taken to stalking me in a gun politics ng." And WHERE
> > have you been lately? Why in talk.politics.guns of course, and the
> > record PROVES this. Google shows that since May 2002 you have posted
> > in 61 seperate months, the latest being this month, October 2007. And
> > when of those 61 separate months was the last time you posted in
> > talk.politics.guns? Why, September 2007 according to the record it
> > seems. That sounds suspiciously like "lately" to me Kenny. Last month
> > from a total over 5 years is lately, make no mistake about it. How you
> > could deny this only you would know.
>
> So when you asign 'lately' to mean over 6 weeks ago, where do you
> think I have been 'lately'?
> Surely I've been on rsc and rsru. The record shows me posting to both
> those groups throughout Oct.
> Or fdoes that not count as 'lately' in your warped view?
Whether or not you have been to rsc and rsru dies NOT invalidate the
FACT that you were stalking me in tpg last month. You may have been in
two dozen newsgroups lately for all I care, what I do know, and the
record shows, is that last month you came to tpg for the sole purpose
of having a go at me. Only you can explain why you'd go to a gun
politics group to have a go at someone you'd had a run in with in a
cricket newsgroup. Most people would find that sort of behavior a bit
creepy or demented, though if they knew it was you they'd probably
find it quite typical.
>
> > And you WERE there with sole intention of stalking me because you made
> > NO comment on the subject matter of the newsgroup, even when I gave
> > you the opportunity.
>
> Wrong again
RIGHT again. You just lie and lie and lie.
In TPG in the thread 'Increased Gun Crime In Britain' on Sep 2 I wrote
in response to you "And why are you here, in tpg, asking what my
interest in rsc is? Shouldn't we be asking you what your interest in
tpg is? I've previuously asked for your position on gun politics and
got no
response so all we seem to have is that your stalking me. Do you have
any other explanation?" In your reply you FAILED TO ANSWER so on Sep 3
I wrote "Likewise this went unanswered "As you have STILL not given us
the wisdom of your thoughts on gun politics, as I asked for a while
back, I can only conclude that you are a troll of the highest order.
Do you have any other explanation for being in this ng?". In your
reply you FAILED TO ANSWER AGAIN. Maybe you were afraid to answer
because at this point you hightailed out of tpg WITHOUT answering the
question.
So the FACTS are you asked for your opinion, TWICE, and you failed on
both ocassions to give it. So when you say above that I "wrong again"
it is patently you who are "wrong again", and THE RECORD PROVES IT.
>
>
>
> > > Why don't you take your own advice and ignore me, thicko?
>
> > > Higgs
>
> > Probably because it would let you off the hook for COWARDLY snipping
> > out verifiable evidence of your idiocy, which along with making false
> > claims appears o be your only talent. This is schoolboy stuff from you
> > Kenny, time to grow up.
>
> Ok, what did I snip out, you raving lunatic?
>
> Higgs
My, my Kenny, you don't take getting publicly humiliated all that well
do you? You want to know what you snipped out? We both realise you
know perfectly well what you snipped but I'll play along, HERE is what
you snipped out;
On October 18 the final two paragraphs of my post were SNIPPED out in
your reply. They were; "Mind you he has made one statement regarding
gun politics. A while back he ventured into that gun politics ng and
returned labelling me a "real gun totin guy". He couldn't even get
that right as even someone as dense as Higgs should have worked out my
stance is anti gun.
My advice is to ignore the demented LIAR, for that is what he surely
is."
Funny how a bit of information (verifiably correct) that exposed the
fact that you could go to a gun politics group, claim to have
understood what was going on in that group yet then return to tpg
categorising me as a "real gun totin guy" when that categorisation is
180 degrees the wrong way could mysteriously had been snipped! To snip
something out requires more effort than to leave it in so WHY did you
go to the effort of removing something that made you look like a
complete fool? Or is that a silly question? And do I really expect you
to answer either of those questions or will you repeat your earlier
form and snip again?
I should start a list of people who are supposedly using my name as an
alias and charge a spotter's fee. Though as long as they are exposing
Kenny as a total fraud I don't really mind because that's a worthy
cause.
>On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 12:56:48 +1000, alvey <is...@allinterested.com>
>tapped the keyboard and brought forth:
>
>>On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 02:31:11 +0100, Mike Holmans wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> The endless posts from Australians who tell us that "paki" is only
>>> hamrless banter in Australia and they don't see why everyone else
>>> objects to them using the term are the longest-standing example in
>>> rsc.
>>
>>I'd disagree with that Mikey. The usage of 'Paki' in Australia certainly
>>isn't 'harmless banter'. It's just the standard description for someone
>>from Pakistan. There's no side on it at all. It's exactly like 'Yank',
>>'Kiwi' & 'Pommybastard'. To support this I'd offer that whenever the Pakis
>>tour here there'll be a banner sports headline or several blaring something
>>like 'PAKIS IN TROUBLE IN TEST'. A headline you won't see in Pomland.
>>
>>Of course this is only the opinion of someone who's lived here for many
>>decades, Michael may well be correct in the opinion he's reached based on a
>>couple of brief visitis to these golden shores. The possibility that he was
>>mixing with card carrying expat Marlybone members while he was here is
>>infinitisimal.
>
>So you object to the description of the term as harmless banter in
>Australia and then proceed to explain that it is harmless banter in
>Australia, as the other terms you cite so obviously are. I fail to
>understand your point.
Banter needs some degree of humour and/or needle
As commonly used in Australia Paki for Pakistani is just an
abbreviation - the same as Aussie for an Australian
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So if I were to do a search of the phrase "Google is your friend" and
dechucka, I wouldn't come up with any hits?
Phil/Col, I know that you're as incompetant as Chiuckwit at using
Google, but believe me, it returns more than 30 hits
I don't need the opinions of deadheads like yourself and Chuckwit to
prove anything.
The overwhelming response of non-Australian posters on rsc to the
charges by Australians that the Indian crowd behaved in a racist
manner is to agree with them, and then remind them that the irony of
the situation that Australian crowds also behaved ina racist manner
and that a sizeable portion of the Australian posters to rsc excused
the actions, denied they happened or blamed SA expats.
> > Again, there has been a number of posts here saying the same as I've
> > been saying.
> > ie two wrongs don't make a right, but it is laughable watching these
> > same Australians who for the past few years have been apologists for
> > Australian crowd racism getting hot under the collar over Indian crowd
> > racism.
>
> Thanks for that highly detailed summation where you boldly name names.
> What a fearless crusader you are Kenny. Anybody who might suggest you
> are simply a tiresome blowhard can't have seen that hard hitting
> paragraph above where you tell all, all except who is supposed to done
> this dastardly thing and what exactly they've actually done. Apart
> from those omissions it's a brilliant denunciation.
>
It doesn't need to be detailed.
I have to keep it simple for the likes of yourself and Chuckwit
>
>
> > > > Oh, that's right, you never produce any evidence, do you?
>
> > > I asked QUESTION dummy, I did NOT make any claim about what the % may
> > > or may not be, therefore NO evidence required on my part
>
> > So, as I said, you wont be producing any evidence, and never do
> > anyway?
>
> I NEVER made any claims regarding that situation, dechucka did and
> gave a %, you reckoned he was wrong and gave NOTHING.
>
>
So, as per usual, you wont be producing any evidence then?
No surprises there
>
> > > > > > > In case anyone has been wondering where Higgsys' been lately he's
> > > > > > > taken to stalking me in a gun politics ng. He's that desperate he's
> > > > > > > he's inserted himself into discussions on gun politics merely to have
> > > > > > > a go at me. He has NOTHING to contribute on gun politics which probaly
> > > > > > > has those in that ng wondering "Who is this fool?".
>
> > > > > > Of course, anyone who clicks on the 'view profile' box on google
> > > > > > groups can see where I've been spending my time recently.
> > > > > > It's quite obvious that it isn't on the gun politics ng.
>
> > > > > > Most people already know you to be a liar, Phil.
> > > > > > Posts like your last one do nothing to dispel this opinion
>
> > > > > So you didn't venture to talk.guns.politics and offer NO COMMENT
> > > > > WHATSOEVER on gun politics? If you did venture there, and we both know
> > > > > you did, what was your aim? If it was to embarrass yourself then you
> > > > > succeeded, spectacularly.
>
> > > > Yup, you're a certified lying moron with comprehension problems.
>
> > > Certified by whom? Oh, that's right, you. Pity you can't VERIFIABLY
> > > prove I'm a liar isn't it? All you can do is squeal like a stuck pig
> > > that I lie, proof is totally beyond you, so far beyond you you don't
> > > even bother to offer any.
>
> > Of course I can prove you're a liar, I just have.
>
> HOW TYPICAL! You prove I'm a liar by saying "I just have". Have you
> patented this miracle debating technique?
>
You said I'd denied ever visiting tpg. I clearly never said that.
ergo, you lied.
>
>
> > I haven't been spending my time recently on tpg, that's easily
> > proveable, and I clearly didn't as you claimed, say I'd never visited
> > tpg.
>
> ANOTHER LIE by Kenny, is anyone keeping count? Lie 1, you HAVE been
> spending time recently in tpg, the record PROVES you were there only
> last month. Lie 2, I did NOT claim that you said you'd never visited
> tpg. IF I did, then cut and paste my verbatim words to that effect.
> Should be the last we hear of that spurious claim.
>
>
You said:
"In case anyone has been wondering where Higgsys' been lately he's
taken to stalking me in a gun politics ng. He's that desperate he's
he's inserted himself into discussions on gun politics merely to have
a go at me. "
Anyone who wondered where I had been lately would only have to check
back a day or two to find that I had been on rsc and rsru.
Had they been really concerned as to where I had been, they could have
checked for the whole month of October, and found I'd been in rsc and
rsru.
Had they wanted to carry out an in depth search of what I had been up
to over the year, they could have started with the previous month,
September.
They have found that I was, as usual, on rsc and rsru.
Had they been that interested, they could have gone back through all
my posts in September. When they got back to the beginning of the
month, scrolling through numerous posts, they'd have found that I
visited tpg 3 times.
You choose to class this as 'recently', and offer this as advice to
those who might wonder where I had been recently.
Charitable people might class it as you exaggerating, others might
conclude you are lying again.
>
> > > > If you reread my post, you'll see that I say I usually appear on rsc
> > > > and rsru, with occasional visits elsewhere.
> > > > This is not only true, it's checkable.
>
> > > OUTRIGHT LIE, and easily proven so. You did NOT say that you "usually
> > > appear on rsc and rsru, with occasional visits elsewhere" at all.
>
> > So when you click on the 'view profile' box, you don't see that I
> > spend most of my time on rsc and rsru with occasional visits
> > elsewhere?
>
> This must go down as your lowest moment Kenny, caught REDHANDED then
> running away like a blubbing child. You stated, VERBATIM, "If you
> reread my post, you'll see that I say I usually appear on rsc and
> rsru, with occasional visits elsewhere." I challenged you on that
> because you said NO SUCH THING.
>
Yet you've just quoted me saying it...........
> And your response? As pathetic as they come. You simply abandoned your
> original claim and now INSTEAD of you stating that you "usually appear
> on rsc and rsru, with occasional visits elsewhere" I'm supposed go
> hunting through your profile to see where you've actually been. I
> already know that Kenny, you been stalking me in tpg.
>
Really, when was this?
> And nice of you to ADD the qualifier "most of my time" which was NOT
> part of any original claim. I stated you'd been stalking me in tpg and
> you HAD. I NEVER postulated where you may or may not spent most of
> your time, I could care less.
>
Outright lie.
You asked where I had been recently, and claimed I had been stalking
you on tpg.
All I did was visit tpg a few times a couple of months ago to hand you
your arse.
Once I'd made a fool of you, I had the good grace to leave you to the
taunts of the tpg regulars.
Now that you're back stalking me on rsc, I'm quite happy to hand you
your arse again.'
Would you like me to come back to tpg and give you another dose?
*snip assorted Smythe lies and distortions*
Higgs
wtf r u going on about Huggies that was not the matter under discussion.
The matter under discussion was theist exchange
" > so are you condemning the Indian actions or not? or are you trying to
> justify the Indian action by saying the Aussies do it?
>
Seeing as I'd explicitly said earlier that I wasn't supporting the
actions of the Indians, what do you reckon? "
When asked to show where you said that you weren't supporting the actions of
the Indians you couldn't and went off on one of your tangents that you are
well known for on this and other ngs
wtf r u going on about Chuckwit?.
You claimed I had supported Indian crowd racism.
I pointed out that I'd quite specifically spoken out against it and
you were welcome to verify it for yourself, assuming you knew how to
do a Googler search.
> The matter under discussion was theist exchange
>
> " > so are you condemning the Indian actions or not? or are you trying to
>
> > justify the Indian action by saying the Aussies do it?
>
> Seeing as I'd explicitly said earlier that I wasn't supporting the
> actions of the Indians, what do you reckon? "
>
> When asked to show where you said that you weren't supporting the actions of
> the Indians you couldn't and went off on one of your tangents that you are
> well known for on this and other ngs- Hide quoted text -
>
Ah, so now you agree with me that I had claimed to have spoken iout
against the Indian crowd racism and challenged you to find it.
Why do you lie upo above and claim this was not the matter under
discussion.
Ok, here's a hint. Try searching my posts under Oct 9th.
That should help you.
But I enjoyed particularly my reply to an rsc poster on the 13th Oct
"I don't condone Harby or any other Indian acting like prats.
But, unlike you, I don't condone Australians doing it either."
That poster was you.
And then you replied to me!
I'm sure you'll claim not to have seen that post, but there's stuff
all I can do to help you out, seeing as you're too stupid to use
Google!
ROFLMAO
Next!
Higgs
at your own stupidity most likely
>
> Next!
you can't produce where you said it, hence you didn't
>
> Higgs
>
>
>
For the purposes of clarification (because, however much the
misdemeanours of my naughty alias might interest me, I'm far too lazy to
do any research into the matter), did you visit the gun group for any
purpose *other* than a spot of Phil/Colin-bashing?
--
Rodney Ulyate
"All Australians are an uneducated and unruly mob."
Douglas Jardine
does Huggies go anywhere except to troll