Worst Commentators Ever
Nats
The commentating of the current series between Australia and South
Africa is disgusting. The highlight of the commentary was when MArk
Waugh came up and said a few words. David Hookes , Trevor Quirk ,
Mike Haysman , Carl Rackeman , Terry Jenner and especially Dennis
Commetti have no idea at all. Bring back Richie and the boys.
The Hot Buzzard
Obviously you guys have been spared the crap we get here in England on
Sky Sports....Botham and Lamb what absolute drivel. Lacklustre,
unimaginative ( due to lack of education and working-class backround ....
.tongue in cheek their lads/lasses) and general failure to hold the
viewers attention .
Benaud + Boycott, Blofeld rule !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Hot Buzzard
Sean Yeomans
he's not called trevor jerk for nothing. but then quirk is in wisdon,
listed as the last batsman to be given out in a first class match for
obstructing the field :-)
sean
Charlanne Scahill
I have to say though that Mark Nicholas is great!!!! And of course,
David Gower......
Charlanne
Kanwar Dhaliwal
Don't forget Tony Lewis.
>
> Charlanne
Bob Dubery
Nats <bo...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> The commentating of the current series between Australia and South
>Africa is disgusting. The highlight of the commentary was when MArk
>Waugh came up and said a few words. David Hookes , Trevor Quirk ,
>Mike Haysman , Carl Rackeman , Terry Jenner and especially Dennis
>Commetti have no idea at all. Bring back Richie and the boys.
I think the real problem is that some commentators are better suited to
the radio than to TV (and vice versa). I have to listen to the game on a
radio whilst I'm at work and I find Terry Jenner quite acceptable.
Trevor Quirk... well, "dissing" him is almost a national pasttime in SA
but he's not bad - or wouldn't be if he'd take that condescending tone
out of his voice.
There's also the modern trend - as evinced by SAn pay channel M-Net -
of using former players to commentate because they have a better idea of
what's going on. The danger is that some of these guys (not just in
cricket but in all sporting codes) whilst they may have a lot of good
stuff to say about the game can't say it into a microphone.
The ideal pairing for me is someone with a reasonable knoweledge of the
game and a knack for commentating alongside an articulate ex-player who
can interject with "expert" comments.
On the SABC coverage of the SA/Aus series we have had Lee Irvine (SA,
Transvaal, Natal, WP and Essex batsman/keeper) giving insight into the
technicalities of the game - EG a batsman's stance or grip or the line
that a bowler is employing. He doesn't try to actually commentate and
his interjections are interesting and (IMHO) welcome.
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Benaud and Chappell I are useless, Tony Greig is a pain, Richie has verbal
diahorea, I don't think I can agree about Boycott - the weeeckit's perfect,
The only channel nine commentator any good is Lawry - he's straight down
the line (doesnt try to be clever like Chappell and Benaud) and frequently
insightful - listen to whenever he thinks Mark Waugh is going to get out -
it usually happens next ball.
The radio guys have forgotten that we like to get a regular score.
MacGilvray was a master of this - you could turn on and in an instant have
a score.
Bob Dubery <el...@theking.org> wrote in article
<5imaa7$n...@osprey.global.co.za>...
Chris Pope
You seem lucky to me, here we have to suffer Ian Botham, Paul Allot and
Mark Nicholas.
> > The commentating of the current series between Australia and South
> >Africa is disgusting. The highlight of the commentary was when MArk
> >Waugh came up and said a few words. David Hookes , Trevor Quirk ,
> >Mike Haysman , Carl Rackeman , Terry Jenner and especially Dennis
> >Commetti have no idea at all. Bring back Richie and the boys.
> I think the real problem is that some commentators are better suited to
> the radio than to TV (and vice versa). I have to listen to the game on a
> radio whilst I'm at work and I find Terry Jenner quite acceptable.
>
> Trevor Quirk... well, "dissing" him is almost a national pasttime in SA
> but he's not bad - or wouldn't be if he'd take that condescending tone
> out of his voice.
>
> There's also the modern trend - as evinced by SAn pay channel M-Net -
> of using former players to commentate because they have a better idea of
> what's going on. The danger is that some of these guys (not just in
> cricket but in all sporting codes) whilst they may have a lot of good
> stuff to say about the game can't say it into a microphone.
>
> The ideal pairing for me is someone with a reasonable knoweledge of the
> game and a knack for commentating alongside an articulate ex-player who
> can interject with "expert" comments.
>
> On the SABC coverage of the SA/Aus series we have had Lee Irvine (SA,
> Transvaal, Natal, WP and Essex batsman/keeper) giving insight into the
> technicalities of the game - EG a batsman's stance or grip or the line
> that a bowler is employing. He doesn't try to actually commentate and
> his interjections are interesting and (IMHO) welcome.
Chris Pope | ch...@secstan.demon.co.uk
http://www.secstan.demon.co.uk/popenet/cricket.htm
Laura
please no.....I cannot suffer Tony Greig and Richie they both suck!!
Nats <bo...@ozemail.com.au> wrote in article
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Rick Eyre
Eamon Hannan <ejha...@mail.powerup.com.au> wrote in article
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> Benaud and Chappell I are useless, Tony Greig is a pain, Richie has
verbal
> diahorea, I don't think I can agree about Boycott - the weeeckit's
perfect,
> The only channel nine commentator any good is Lawry - he's straight down
> the line (doesnt try to be clever like Chappell and Benaud) and
frequently
> insightful - listen to whenever he thinks Mark Waugh is going to get out
-
> it usually happens next ball.
Bill Lawry is a hysterical showpony (or should that showpigeon?). Richie
used to be an insightful commentator who is now past retirement age. Ian
Chappell is my pick of the Channel Nine commentators, although his vocal
style if unspectacular.
> The radio guys have forgotten that we like to get a regular score.
I have heard this complaint often, and it is not just in cricket - try
getting a football score on ABC Grandstand these days.
> MacGilvray was a master of this - you could turn on and in an instant
have
> a score.
There's nothing to "master" about this - simply a fundamental of radio
broadcasting that faded away after Mac's retirement.
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Don't forget Lee Irvine (SA) !
( even worse than Trevor Quirk )
Jason Surendran
None of you guys have heard English Commentator:
Jack Bannister - Words fail me to describe how awful he is. Could reduce
the most exciting match into boring drivel
Best-- well us poms hev been spoilt by the greats :
John Arlott, Brian Johnston (jonners), Henry Blofeld.
Trevor Bailey is a good summarizer as is Vic Marks.
Mark Nicholas ??? I wish he would shut up sometimes too smarmy
I remember a good aussie commentator ?? Neville Oliver
Sunil Gavaskar is a good summarizer but Geoff Boycott is king !!!!
Of course Richie Benaud is excellent
Kiwi Ian Smith is good.
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The Hot Buzzard
Have to agree..Bannister is a load of shite. Plenty of cricket fans in
the UK have complained about his commentary. In my humble opinion
Mark Nicholas is trying a bit too hard to sound like the "greats"
( Blofeld/Arlott/Johnner) in his over use of adjectives..it does not
work. He should try to develop his own distinctive style...very promising
though. Get rid of Botham and Lamb though ( SKY). Lord Boycott has
reached the highest levels and Jonathon Agnew sounds very pleasing to the
ear too. Hope to hear some Ian Chappell doing hos stint for the Beeb this
year !
Cheers,
Hot Buzzard.
Abhay Thatte
Dont know about worst, but growing up in India we had some really FUNNY
commentators.
Balu Alaganan
Suresh Saraiya
Damodar Mudaliar (funniest of all)
Lala Amarnath (always seemed drunk)
And some Chaturvedi guy in Hindi.
Rohit Kumar Gunna
Abhay Thatte wrote:
>
> Dont know about worst, but growing up in India we had some really FUNNY
> commentators.
>
> Balu Alaganan
> Suresh Saraiya
Harsha Bhogle, he was dwarfed by him.
> Damodar Mudaliar (funniest of all)
> Lala Amarnath (always seemed drunk)
>
> And some Chaturvedi guy in Hindi.
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Andrew Healey
Bob Dubery (el...@theking.org) wrote:
: I think the real problem is that some commentators are better suited to
: the radio than to TV (and vice versa). I have to listen to the game on a
: radio whilst I'm at work and I find Terry Jenner quite acceptable.
Yep. Out of the Saf'n radio guys I really liked Gerald de Kok.
However your heart is sometimes in your mouth as his commentary goes
something like this...
" And here's Donald coming around the wicket [normal voice level],
and BOWLS!! [sudden increase in volume]"
When I was in the next room, I kept running in to hear whose wicket
had fallen! 8-)
Rob Malpass
In article <ijW$DAAEIg...@slsystems.demon.co.uk>
ja...@slsystems.demon.co.uk "Jason Surendran" writes:
I'm sorry, I can't agree with this.
Arlott was indeed very good.
Johnston never talked enough about the cricket, I don't care how well
lamented he is.
Bloers is a public school twerp. I don't care about buses, birds and
Pimm's when I'm listening to a broadcast.
Bailey should wake up to the 1990s. Remember his views on the 3rd umpire.
"Oh it evens itself out over time" - what rubbish, the point is whether the
bloke's out or not.
Nicholas is too emotional. Besides what does he know about top class cricket,
he never played any.
Oliver was ok.
Gavaskar is pretty good.
Not heard Ian Smith.
For my vote, despite the fact he's a bit of a nutter, Greigy is quite
exciting to listen to. Ian Chappell is the best I've heard, intelligent,
fair and interesting to listen to. Benaud was *excellent*, but nothing
wakes him up thesedays.
Someone else mentioned Jack Bannister - thank God he's been relegated to
BBC county cricket only.
Geoff Blackmore
On Tue, 15 Apr 1997, Rob Malpass wrote:
> Not heard Ian Smith.
> For my vote, despite the fact he's a bit of a nutter, Greigy is quite
> exciting to listen to. Ian Chappell is the best I've heard, intelligent,
> fair and interesting to listen to. Benaud was *excellent*, but nothing
> wakes him up thesedays.
Being a kiwi myself, I'd rather listen to the Channel 9 lot in Australia.
At least they can keep the game more interesting than the boring lot we
get in NZ. Ian Smith being the exception.
Can't say I've heard a lot of the british commentator - except Blowers,
Boycott and a one or two whose names excape me. They seemed to fit right
in with the NZ crew :)
Personally, I'd go for the Radio New Zealand guys doing an excellent job.
Jeremy Coney and Brian Waddel are superb together. I always hear of
people watching the game on the box and listening on the radio. The best
of both worlds.
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and...@qimr.edu.au (Andrew Healey), far, far away from here, appears to have
written:
[snips]
>Yep. Out of the Saf'n radio guys I really liked Gerald de Kok.
>However your heart is sometimes in your mouth as his commentary goes
>something like this...
>" And here's Donald coming around the wicket [normal voice level],
> and BOWLS!! [sudden increase in volume]"
>
>When I was in the next room, I kept running in to hear whose wicket
>had fallen! 8-)
Yeah :-) It's like last summer (18 months ago) when the ABC ran this stupid 30
second cricket promo *during* the cricket. Only problem was, it started with
Jim or someone calling the fall of a wicket! It kept getting me all summer.
cheers,
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Michael Cullen <ti...@opera.iinet.net.au> wrote in article
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>
> Yeah :-) It's like last summer (18 months ago) when the ABC ran this
stupid 30
> second cricket promo *during* the cricket. Only problem was, it started
with
> Jim or someone calling the fall of a wicket! It kept getting me all
summer.
Do you mean Jim "As DRINKS!!! come onto the field" Maxwell?
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Rob Malpass <R...@getiton.demon.co.uk> wrote in article
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>
> Someone else mentioned Jack Bannister - thank God he's been relegated to
> BBC county cricket only.
Bannister also got dispatched to cover the South Africa - Australia series,
surely one of the worst-commentated series I have listened to in years :-)
K.M.RajaGopal
Rick Eyre wrote:
>
> Rob Malpass <R...@getiton.demon.co.uk> wrote in article
> <861138...@getiton.demon.co.uk>...
> >
> > Someone else mentioned Jack Bannister - thank God he's been relegated to
> > BBC county cricket only.
>
> Bannister also got dispatched to cover the South Africa - Australia series,
> surely one of the worst-commentated series I have listened to in years :-)
Yeah! With folks like Carl Rackemann, Irvine, Bannister in the team, it reminded me
of the "good 'ol" days of Doordarshan Commentary. (any indian folks here remember
the marvellous oratory of Chandusarvate, LalaDrunkAmarnath, SleepyPataudi,
MarblesinMouthJaisimha, SixerJoshi, RaviChaturvedi etc etc?).
BTW, the best commentator(TV) currently on the scene is MichaelHolding.
Speaks the right things at right time, good insight into the game, pleasantvoice,
doesn't get on the nerves like "it'sallhappening" Greig;
BTw, what happened to our dear "earrings" Henry Bloefold ??
Raj
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Bob Dubery
Jason Surendran <ja...@slsystems.demon.co.uk> committed unto posterity
the following:
>None of you guys have heard English Commentator:
>Jack Bannister - Words fail me to describe how awful he is. Could reduce
>the most exciting match into boring drivel
Well, this just goes to prove how one man's meat is another's poison.
Personally I enjoy Bannister's commentary - as do most South Africans.
He has a knack of being able to explain what's happening out there
(fielding changes etc) without sounding condescending.
Of course, he does get to team up with our local bunch - who are roundly
pilloried on rsc and in real life - so maybe he's looking good in
comparison.
I'd certainly prefer him to Tony Lewis, "Jenkers" or "Blowers".
>Best-- well us poms hev been spoilt by the greats :
>John Arlott,
I never heard much of Arlott, but what I did hear was superb. It wasn't
just his love and knowledge of the game that were outstanding, but also
his love an knowledge of English.
>Brian Johnston (jonners), Henry Blofeld.
Never heard much of the late Mr Johnston either, but Blofeld is a good
reason for leaving the Commonwealth. A posh accent does not a good
commentator make.
Boycott! He's hilarious. Of course he gets it wrong all the time, but he
does it with such style and deadpan hilarity. He needs a good straight
man to play with - the SABC pair him with Gerald de Kock and the
combination is superb.
What about the West Indians? Tony Cozier and Donna Symonds are fine
commentators.
Of the channel 9 bunch I find Benaud pretty good (though he's starting
to sound a little jaded) and Greig, if nothing else, can spot Warne's
flipper as he lets it go.
And whatever happened to the bloke who said "South Africa will remain a
3rd world country with 3rd rate players" just before the '92 SA/Aus
World Cup match?
John Hall
In article <861138...@getiton.demon.co.uk>, Rob Malpass
<R...@getiton.demon.co.uk> writes
>I'm sorry, I can't agree with this.
>Arlott was indeed very good.
>Johnston never talked enough about the cricket, I don't care how well
>lamented he is.
>Bloers is a public school twerp. I don't care about buses, birds and
>Pimm's when I'm listening to a broadcast.
>Bailey should wake up to the 1990s. Remember his views on the 3rd umpire.
>"Oh it evens itself out over time" - what rubbish, the point is whether the
>bloke's out or not.
>Nicholas is too emotional. Besides what does he know about top class cricket,
>he never played any.
If playing top-class cricket is essential in a commentator, how come
Arlott was so good? In fact the only one of the above list to have
played Test cricket is Bailey, whom you don't like (and who happens to
be one of my favourites). Though Nicholas has never played "top-class"
cricket, if by that you mean Test cricket, he got pretty close to it.
When listening to the Test Match Special commentators, I think you have
to bear in mind that their remit is not just to appeal to the cricket
enthusiast but also to those who have only a casual interest in the
game. Hence the need for a Johnston or Blofield figure to balance the
more serious Agnew and Martin-Jenkins. If TMS can't pull in an audience
of a couple of million, it will be in danger of being dropped, or at
best drastically cut back.
My favourite commentator was Alan Gibson, who was a TMS regular in the
1960s and had a superb dry wit. He also wrote some very entertaining
pieces in The Times.
>Oliver was ok.
>Gavaskar is pretty good.
>Not heard Ian Smith.
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Harish Chandramouli
el...@theking.org (Bob Dubery) wrote:
bd> Well, this just goes to prove how one man's meat is another's poison.
bd> Personally I enjoy Bannister's commentary - as do most South Africans.
bd> He has a knack of being able to explain what's happening out there
bd> (fielding changes etc) without sounding condescending.
Bob, I hate to have to disagree with the "king" himself, but unfortunately
if there is ONE thing I have come to notice and indeed dislike about Jack
over the seasons, then it is the very fact that he DOES tend to be far more
condescending and downputting with subcontinental types (and no I am not
trying to stir up the whole South African race issue all over [Bannister's
a Pom anyway] but this is indeed something that has irked me time and over)
than he does with most other groups. To his credit though, what he does
possess is an extremely sound knowledge of the game and its finer points
(not that iam saying that he knows how to put them across in an even vaguely
endearing manner mind you, but still :-) and is thus a hit with quite a few
people I know. Now with me though..(although I do admit to preferring him
to Quirk!)
bd> What about the West Indians? Tony Cozier and Donna Symonds are fine
bd> commentators.
Tony Cozier would put me to sleep on the brightest of days with his
monotonous tone, and rarely if ever original comments. And as for Donna
Symonds.. well on second thoughts, with Di prowling around and looking for
a bone to pick after Paawl's exclusion, I'd better keep my thoughts on HER
to myself after all..
For my money though, give me Geoffrey Boycott anyday, anytime and over
anyone else. And pair him with someone as original and charming as David
Gower, and you have the perfect blend of (exuberant) youth and wisdom
really....
Cheers,
Harish [who reckons Shastri is alright, as are Bhogle and Gavaskar]
Harish Chandramouli
el...@theking.org (Bob Dubery) wrote:
Cheers,
Harish [who reckons Shastri is decent, as are Bhogle and Gavaskar]
Dianne van Dulken
Harish Chandramouli wrote:
<snipped>
And as for Donna
> Symonds.. well on second thoughts, with Di prowling around and looking for
> a bone to pick after Paawl's exclusion, I'd better keep my thoughts on HER
> to myself after all..
Eh, what??
Someone please explain the connection to me, as I have never even HEARD of
Donna Symonds before this second.
I could be insulted though, just for the sake of it, if you feel I should.
>
> For my money though, give me Geoffrey Boycott anyday, anytime and over
> anyone else.
PLEASE!!
Michael Holding. Michael Holding is the only commentator I can listen to for
hours and hours and hours on end.
Di
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"Rick Eyre" <ri...@cricket.org>, far, far away from here, appears to have
written:
>Do you mean Jim "As DRINKS!!! come onto the field" Maxwell?
The very same :-)
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Dianne van Dulken <dvand...@cce.cce.usyd.edu.au> wrote:
dvd> Someone please explain the connection to me, as I have never even
dvd> HEARD of Donna Symonds before this second.
Well..apart from being the only woman (that I know of) to have rejected
Trevor Quirk's blithering advances on national television <g>, she *was*
also part of the commentary team (along with Cozier and um someone who's
name I don't quite remember at this point in time) that came down to RSA
back in 92-93 for the then held triangular tournament. And had you heard
her back then, you would be sitting back spellbound, quite in awe at the
amount of self-restraint I had to exercise in not making the chauvinistic
comment that I was about to, regarding her appointment to the role in the
first place. I know, I know... but do please hold back the applause. Tis
all wasted on a magnanimous soul such as myself anyway)
dvd> I could be insulted though, just for the sake of it, if you feel I
dvd> should.
And here I was thinking that *the* exclusion had insulted you to unmatchable
depths ? Are you sure you aren't leaving too many live shells around for
Des to pick up and splatter you with, Di ? :)
dvd> Michael Holding. Michael Holding is the only commentator I can
dvd> listen to for hours and hours and hours on end.
PLEASE!!
Comparing Holding (or anyone for that matter :-) to Boycott is like well
going around telling all and sundry that Reiffel would have ended up with
a more successful career than Curtly Ambrose, had *he* only been afforded
the same number of opportunities.
Surely you aren't telling us that even you are *that* loony, Di...
Cheers,
Harish.
Simon J
The worst must be the kiwis on the recent TMS/NZ coverage. Uninterested,
partisan and ignorant.
My fave is Jonathan Agnew,
Simon J.
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In article <EUzZEHBU...@jhall.demon.co.uk>, John Hall
<jo...@jhall.demon.co.uk> writes
>My favourite commentator was Alan Gibson, who was a TMS regular in the
>1960s and had a superb dry wit. He also wrote some very entertaining
>pieces in The Times.
By one of those strange coincidences, after writing that yesterday
evening I opened my Daily Telegraph this morning and found his obituary.
He's just died at the age of 73.
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Ian Jennings
Harish Chandramouli wrote:
>
> Dianne van Dulken <dvand...@cce.cce.usyd.edu.au> wrote:
>
> dvd> Someone please explain the connection to me, as I have never even
> dvd> HEARD of Donna Symonds before this second.
>
> Well..apart from being the only woman (that I know of) to have rejected
> Trevor Quirk's blithering advances on national television <g>,
Jesus, Harish - I know what you're trying to say, but your post could be
taken to mean that there are actually women who ACCEPT Trevor's
advances...
Ian
Bob Dubery
ch...@cs.utexas.edu (Harish Chandramouli) wrote:
>For my money though, give me Geoffrey Boycott anyday, anytime and over
>anyone else. And pair him with someone as original and charming as David
>Gower, and you have the perfect blend of (exuberant) youth and wisdom
>really....
I'm more inclined to call it a blend of cheery bonhomie and cynicism.
I can't make up my mind about Boycs: is he having us on - and keeping
a dead straight face while doing it - or does he take himself
seriously?
Boycs has also been on the receiving end of a "Quirk-ism". Remember
Tendulkar playing for Yorkshire in '92? Then he comes to SA with
India. At the Wanderers Quirk and Boycott are commentating together as
Sachin comes into bat. Quirk makes the following observation "Well,
Geoffrey, he must be the finest Yorkshire batsman since Sir Leonard
Hutton."
Boycs was speechless.
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Ian Jennings <jenn...@phil.unp.ac.za> wrote:
>Jesus, Harish - I know what you're trying to say, but your post could be
>taken to mean that there are actually women who ACCEPT Trevor's
>advances...
And he's not subtle is he?
For Di's benefit I will document the infamous episode.
The match was the only (so far) test between West Indies and SA. The
venue is Barbados.
Quirky tells us that he's about to have a rather unusual on-air guest
"A *woman* commentator". Donna comes on-air and she's obviously
knowledgable and charming but Quirky doesn't let her get in a word
edgeways. At the end of her stint she says a polite farewell and Quirk
tells the world "of course she's quite intelligent for a woman." (This
is, I swear, the truth).
Somebody should have told Quirky that Donna Symonds the lady cricket
commentator is also Donna Symonds QC high court barrister.
Christian Kelly
John Hall wrote:
>
> In article <EUzZEHBU...@jhall.demon.co.uk>, John Hall
> <jo...@jhall.demon.co.uk> writes
> >My favourite commentator was Alan Gibson, who was a TMS regular in the
> >1960s and had a superb dry wit. He also wrote some very entertaining
> >pieces in The Times.
>
> By one of those strange coincidences, after writing that yesterday
> evening I opened my Daily Telegraph this morning and found his obituary.
> He's just died at the age of 73.
So this might be a good time to mention Tony Grieg :-)
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Bob Dubery (el...@theking.org) wrote:
: Ian Jennings <jenn...@phil.unp.ac.za> wrote:
:
: >Jesus, Harish - I know what you're trying to say, but your post could be
: >taken to mean that there are actually women who ACCEPT Trevor's
: >advances...
:
: And he's not subtle is he?
:
: For Di's benefit I will document the infamous episode.
:
: The match was the only (so far) test between West Indies and SA. The
: venue is Barbados.
:
: Quirky tells us that he's about to have a rather unusual on-air guest
: "A *woman* commentator". Donna comes on-air and she's obviously
: knowledgable and charming but Quirky doesn't let her get in a word
: edgeways. At the end of her stint she says a polite farewell and Quirk
: tells the world "of course she's quite intelligent for a woman." (This
: is, I swear, the truth).
Never heard this one before but nothing that Quirky does surprises me
anymore. The fact is I don't know how the man can keep commentating when he
is without doubt the worst liked commentator around. I haven't heard anyone
ever saying that they liked his commentary.
--
John Hall
In article <335B86...@edn.gu.edu.au>, Christian Kelly
<C.K...@edn.gu.edu.au> writes
>
You realise you've just killed off some poor unknown, whilst Tony Greig
has got off unscathed. :)
--
John Hall
"A man ought to read just as inclination leads him;
for what he reads as a task will do him little good."
Dr Samuel Johnson (1709-84)
Pete the Elder
On Fri, 18 Apr 1997 10:56:17 +0100, sj...@hermes.cam.ac.uk (Simon J)
wrote:
>The worst must be the kiwis on the recent TMS/NZ coverage. Uninterested,
>partisan and ignorant.
I'm interested. How about a bit more detail.
.......Angels fly because they take themselves lightly.......
***Pete the elder***
Christian Kelly
John Hall wrote:
>
> In article <335B86...@edn.gu.edu.au>, Christian Kelly
> <C.K...@edn.gu.edu.au> writes
> >
> >John Hall wrote:
> >>
> >> In article <EUzZEHBU...@jhall.demon.co.uk>, John Hall
> >> <jo...@jhall.demon.co.uk> writes
> >> >My favourite commentator was Alan Gibson, who was a TMS regular in the
> >> >1960s and had a superb dry wit. He also wrote some very entertaining
> >> >pieces in The Times.
> >>
> >> By one of those strange coincidences, after writing that yesterday
> >> evening I opened my Daily Telegraph this morning and found his obituary.
> >> He's just died at the age of 73.
> >
> >So this might be a good time to mention Tony Grieg :-)
> ^^
> >
> You realise you've just killed off some poor unknown, whilst Tony Greig
> has got off unscathed. :)
Dammit! My one chance, and I blew it.
Apologies to Mr Grieg, whoever he is :-)
[Sure makes my .sig look ironic]
Dianne van Dulken
Bob Dubery wrote:
<snip>
> For Di's benefit I will document the infamous episode.
>
> The match was the only (so far) test between West Indies and SA. The
> venue is Barbados.
>
> Quirky tells us that he's about to have a rather unusual on-air guest
> "A *woman* commentator". Donna comes on-air and she's obviously
> knowledgable and charming but Quirky doesn't let her get in a word
> edgeways. At the end of her stint she says a polite farewell and Quirk
> tells the world "of course she's quite intelligent for a woman." (This
> is, I swear, the truth).
Ahh....
I was impressed by Quirks charm of manner when I heard him commentate. It
was full of depth and knowledge. If only I had known of these hidden depths
before hand, I would have been able to listen in (more) suitable awe.
Alas, too late.
Sob!
Peter R Booth
Just curious, but while watching the recent series from the RSA on
Channel 7 over here I kept noticing the SABC were giving commentators
for Australia and South Africa. Two questions:
1) Was the SA commentary in Afrikaans?
2) Who is Peter Bacela and how's he's figure in RSA cricket?
TIA
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Bob Dubery
Dianne van Dulken <dvand...@cce.cce.usyd.edu.au> wrote:
>I was impressed by Quirks charm of manner when I heard him commentate. It
>was full of depth and knowledge. If only I had known of these hidden depths
>before hand, I would have been able to listen in (more) suitable awe.
Well, this was his absolute nadir. He produced huge amounts of
unadulterated drivel on this particular tour. I often wondered if he
was pissed on the job - especially when he started referring to "Omar
Donald".
Since then he has raised his game considerably (and his co-commentator
on that tour, Andre Bruyns, has not been heard from since).
Bob Dubery
baud...@Batis.und.ac.za (GRANT BAUDIN) wrote:
>:
>Never heard this one before but nothing that Quirky does surprises me
>anymore.
I remember being nearly overcome by an urge to shoot the TV set. If it
hadn't been such a great game of cricket I might have.
>The fact is I don't know how the man can keep commentating when he
>is without doubt the worst liked commentator around. I haven't heard anyone
>ever saying that they liked his commentary.
I take no pleasure at all in reporting that Quirly is by *no* means
the worst commentator around.
Grant, you probably missed an earlier post of mine in which I related
the sorry tale of a bloke in the Wanderers press box - doing reports
for a local radio station - who didn't know who Donald Bradman was!!!!
The Hot Buzzard
I have to agree there dude, Hadlee and Jeremy Coney were pretty
uninspiring as summarisers, although Brian Waddle was a slight
improvement ( but only just).
Stay Chilled ( by smoking lots of dooby),
Hot Buzard
Andre Stein
In article <335D62...@cce.cce.usyd.edu.au>, dvand...@cce.cce.usyd.edu.au says...
>I was impressed by Quirks charm of manner when I heard him commentate. It
>was full of depth and knowledge. [snip]
Yes, unfortunately his "depth and knowledge" must be with regards
to something other than cricket. He is the most ignorant,
inarticulate bore ever to hit the airwaves.
My all time commentary team from hell.
Commentary: Trevor Quirk, Ian Chappell, Greg Chappell, Jack Bannister,
Expert Comments: Allan Border, Craig McDermott
Host\Compere: David Fordham
That's 8...Maybe we can get an All-time worst commentary XI:))
Cheers
Andre
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Andre Stein
In article <5jil57$qva$1...@snews2.magna.com.au>, an...@magna.com.au says...
>That's 8...Maybe we can get an All-time worst commentary XI:))
The eighth is Tony "Walkman" Cozier....
Simon J
In article <335b79bd...@news.es.co.nz>, spi...@es.co.nz (Pete the
Elder) wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Apr 1997 10:56:17 +0100, sj...@hermes.cam.ac.uk (Simon J)
> wrote:
>
> >The worst must be the kiwis on the recent TMS/NZ coverage. Uninterested,
> >partisan and ignorant.
>
> I'm interested. How about a bit more detail.
>
>
Sorry - really can't remember, except that they didn't really know very
much about the England side, and weren't very interested. I've got a
feeling Sir Richard H. was one of the summarizers, but I can't rememeber
any more names.
Can anyobody else remember who were the commentators on the last Eng/NZ
series? I think England and NZ got the same programme,
Cheers!
Bill Steamshovel
On 22 Apr 1997, Andre Stein wrote:
> In article <335D62...@cce.cce.usyd.edu.au>, dvand...@cce.cce.usyd.edu.au says...
>
> >I was impressed by Quirks charm of manner when I heard him commentate. It
> >was full of depth and knowledge. [snip]
>
> Yes, unfortunately his "depth and knowledge" must be with regards
> to something other than cricket. He is the most ignorant,
> inarticulate bore ever to hit the airwaves.
I agree, he is a crab and most of the time he called the ball late on the
radio, I could here the ball being hit, the crowd erupts and two minutes
later, after he has finished convincing us that sheep actually count
people jumping fences when trying to sleep, he tells us, "nice shot,
four, the crowd liked it"....great description....I got so excited I wet
myself......
>
> My all time commentary team from hell.
>
> Commentary: Trevor Quirk, Ian Chappell, Greg Chappell, Jack Bannister,
>
> Expert Comments: Allan Border, Craig McDermott
>
> Host\Compere: David Fordham
>
> That's 8...Maybe we can get an All-time worst commentary XI:))
I think my favourite commentary team would have to be :
Commentary : Margaret Thatcher (fair and non-biased), Harold Holt (always
good for a laugh, though never seems to be on time), Simon O'Donnell
(nothing better when trying to listen to the cricket that the commentator
decides to talk about something completely unrelated, like the average
size of an ant in a chinese ant farm during spring), John Walker (maybe
he could 'run' through the scorecards for us at the end of each session,
and I will not excuse the pun)
Expert Comments : Steven Wright (his receding hair line would be more
interesting to listen to.), Alfred Hitchcock (each ball would be as
suspenseful as the Brsibane Tied Test)
Host/Compare : Bill Clinton (what sort of trouble can you get into trying
to host cricket, get ridiculed a bit, but as long as there are no females
to sexually whatever against, he'll be right mate)
how bout that for a team, I wonder if anyone of them has a pigeon Bill
could talk to while being made redundant......
> Cheers
>
> Andre
>
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>
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Russ
On 22 Apr 1997, Andre Stein wrote:
}In article <335D62...@cce.cce.usyd.edu.au>, dvand...@cce.cce.usyd.edu.au says...
}>I was impressed by Quirks charm of manner when I heard him commentate. It
}>was full of depth and knowledge. [snip]
}
}Yes, unfortunately his "depth and knowledge" must be with regards
}to something other than cricket. He is the most ignorant,
}inarticulate bore ever to hit the airwaves.
}
}My all time commentary team from hell.
}
}Commentary: Trevor Quirk, Ian Chappell, Greg Chappell, Jack Bannister,
}
}Expert Comments: Allan Border, Craig McDermott
}
}Host\Compere: David Fordham
}
}That's 8...Maybe we can get an All-time worst commentary XI:))
well, Greg Ritchie and Tony Greig have to get a birth somewhere
take for example Greg Ritchie's expert use of statistics during the WSC
oneday finals,
talking about winners of the trophy in the best of three series he
says (with much agonising as he came to terms with the whole concept of
best-of-three)
"When the series has been decided in three games it has been won by the
team winning the first game 6 (10, 8?) times"
no telling us how many times that has happened to make that stat
relevant then he adds
"however when the series has been decided in two games it has been won
by the team winning the first game every time"
well duh Greg, it's hard to win a best of three in two games without
winning the first game :-)
Russ
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Christian Kelly
Andre Stein wrote:
> My all time commentary team from hell.
>
> Commentary: Trevor Quirk, Ian Chappell, Greg Chappell, Jack Bannister,
>
> Expert Comments: Allan Border, Craig McDermott
>
> Host\Compere: David Fordham
>
> That's 8...Maybe we can get an All-time worst commentary XI:))
Here goes:
[Confined to actual Test cricketers}
1. Geoff Boycott
2. Keith Stackpole
3. Ian Chappell
4. Greg Chappell
5. Greg Ritchie
6. Tony Greig
7. ??
8. ??
9. Craig McDermott
10. Frank Tyson
11. ??
Need help for the rest.
[Apologies for the Australian bias, but that's who I hear most of.
I'm sure other countries have their fair share of shockers :-]
Bob Dubery
Peter R Booth <syz...@ar.com.au> wrote:
>
>Just curious, but while watching the recent series from the RSA on
>Channel 7 over here I kept noticing the SABC were giving commentators
>for Australia and South Africa. Two questions:
>1) Was the SA commentary in Afrikaans?
Occasionally. The bulk of the SABC commentary is in English. There
would typically be a period of about an hour a day in which an
Afrikaans commentator - usually Kepler Wessesls or Corrie Van Zyl -
would share the commentary with Trevor Quirk (who BTW speaks passable
but heavily accented Afrikaans). Usually Quirk would speak in English
unless an Afrikaans news program crossed over to the match in which
case he would give a summation in Afrikaans.
I think you'll find that the SABC and Channel 7 were sharing all of
the broadcast facilties except for the actual commentary. The
captions, scores etc are not done by the SABC but by a contractor.
What puzzled me was why they showed that caption. Unless its an
acknowledgement of the practice that many people here have of turning
off the TV sound and switching on the radio when certain commentators
take to the air, or when commentary language changes. Do they do that
in Australia? Turn off the TV sound when, for example, David Hookes
comes on and listen to the radio instead?
Domestic cricket is shown on the pay-station M-Net. They have a dual
soundtrack ("clean" and "unexpurgated") system that they use for
movies and they adopt it for sport by putting English commentary on
one channel and Afrikaans on the other.
>2) Who is Peter Bacela and how's he's figure in RSA cricket?
Peter Bacela does commentary in Xhosa - an African language akin to
Zulu. He might have played under the old SACB but I couldn't tell you
with any certainty whether he has or has not played cricket at a good
level.
I don't speak Xhosa, and so I'm also unable to tell you whether he's a
good commentator or not. He *does* seem to know who Donald Bradman is
though.
K.M.RAJAGOPAL
Andre Stein wrote:
>
> In article <335D62...@cce.cce.usyd.edu.au>, dvand...@cce.cce.usyd.edu.au says...
>
> >I was impressed by Quirks charm of manner when I heard him commentate. It
> >was full of depth and knowledge. [snip]
>
> Yes, unfortunately his "depth and knowledge" must be with regards
> to something other than cricket. He is the most ignorant,
>
> My all time commentary team from hell.
>
> Commentary: Trevor Quirk, Ian Chappell, Greg Chappell, Jack Bannister,
>
> Expert Comments: Allan Border, Craig McDermott
>
> Host\Compere: David Fordham
>
> That's 8...Maybe we can get an All-time worst commentary XI:))
Add NarrothamPuri, Chandusarvate and Kishore Bhimani.
You are lucky to have not heard any of these :- )) .
Trevor quirk would be a johnArlott in comparision.
>
> Cheers
>
> Andre
>
Well! Well! If this is your commentary team from hell, I would
like to know your commentary team from heaven!
The best "commentary pair" I like is that of Holding and Boycott;
Holding never gets tired of ragging Boycott; It's fun to hear
both of them together, irrespective of the state of the game.
During the Second test of the windies series, we were even shown
snippets of that one famous over of Holding to Boycott, where
Boycott gave us a tremendous display of his "dancing skills";
The last ball of that over put an end to Boyc's Breakdance by
knocking his stumps over 50 meters!.. That was tremendous stuff.
Raj
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j sreedhar
Christian Kelly <C.K...@edn.gu.edu.au> writes:
>Andre Stein wrote:
>> My all time commentary team from hell.
>>
>> Commentary: Trevor Quirk, Ian Chappell, Greg Chappell, Jack Bannister,
>>
>> Expert Comments: Allan Border, Craig McDermott
>>
>> Host\Compere: David Fordham
>>
>> That's 8...Maybe we can get an All-time worst commentary XI:))
>Here goes:
>[Confined to actual Test cricketers}
>1. Geoff Boycott
No way he would be on a WORST team. He is good!
>2. Keith Stackpole
>3. Ian Chappell
>4. Greg Chappell
>5. Greg Ritchie
>6. Tony Greig
>7. ??
>8. ??
>9. Craig McDermott
>10. Frank Tyson
>11. ??
>Need help for the rest.
>[Apologies for the Australian bias, but that's who I hear most of.
>I'm sure other countries have their fair share of shockers :-]
Look no further...India has provided so many (bad) commentators
who were test cricketers...
Maninder Singh, Kapil Dev, K. Srikkanth, Mohinder Amarnath,
Yashpal Sharma...
Sreedhar
STUDENT : Shayan Raghavjee
>Just curious, but while watching the recent series from the RSA on
>Channel 7 over here I kept noticing the SABC were giving commentators
>for Australia and South Africa. Two questions:
>1) Was the SA commentary in Afrikaans?
Some of the commentary was in Afrikaans, where we have a commentator who is
even worse that Trevor. The best, worst commentator in the world Mr. Edwill
van Aarde, though he has'nt featured too much in the last couple of series.
I think Jack Bannister is one of the best commentators in S.A. (On T.V. at
least)
Peter Bacela is a former springbok player, not an official one, he was from
on of the various non-racial boards during the dark years.
The best commentator in the world is without doubt, Mr. Geoff Boycott!
Next comes Richie, my opinion.
Who is Charles Collville?
A.M.Narayanan
Christian Kelly (C.K...@edn.gu.edu.au) wrote:
: Andre Stein wrote:
: > My all time commentary team from hell.
: >
: > Commentary: Trevor Quirk, Ian Chappell, Greg Chappell, Jack Bannister,
: >
: > Expert Comments: Allan Border, Craig McDermott
: >
: > Host\Compere: David Fordham
: >
: > That's 8...Maybe we can get an All-time worst commentary XI:))
: Here goes:
: [Confined to actual Test cricketers}
: 1. Geoff Boycott
: 2. Keith Stackpole
: 3. Ian Chappell
: 4. Greg Chappell
: 5. Greg Ritchie
: 6. Tony Greig
: 7. ??
: 8. ??
: 9. Craig McDermott
: 10. Frank Tyson
: 11. ??
: Need help for the rest.
: [Apologies for the Australian bias, but that's who I hear most of.
: I'm sure other countries have their fair share of shockers :-]
Trevor Quirk, Kapil and Maninder to complete the list
Narayanan
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Dianne van Dulken
j sreedhar wrote:
>
> >Here goes:
>
> >[Confined to actual Test cricketers}
>
> >1. Geoff Boycott
>
> No way he would be on a WORST team. He is good!
I'm looking for smilies, looking for smilies...
There are no smilies!
OH MY GOD!! HE MEANS IT!!!
AAAAAARRRRGGGGHHHH!!!!
Di
(who thinks that Boycott is an opinionated bore who would be best served by taking
him to some cliff and throwing him over)
The Cricketman
Christian Kelly wrote:
>
> Andre Stein wrote:
>
> > My all time commentary team from hell.
> >
> > Commentary: Trevor Quirk, Ian Chappell, Greg Chappell, Jack Bannister,
> >
> > Expert Comments: Allan Border, Craig McDermott
> >
> > Host\Compere: David Fordham
> >
> > That's 8...Maybe we can get an All-time worst commentary XI:))
>
>
> [Confined to actual Test cricketers}
>
> 1. Geoff Boycott
> 3. Ian Chappell
> 4. Greg Chappell
> 5. Greg Ritchie
> 6. Tony Greig
> 7. ??
> 8. ??
> 9. Craig McDermott
> 10. Frank Tyson
> 11. ??
>
> Need help for the rest.
>
> [Apologies for the Australian bias, but that's who I hear most of.
> I'm sure other countries have their fair share of shockers :-]
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Christian Kelly
>
> I Support Fenetik Spelling
nothing. And maybe Greg Ritchie's alter-ego could get a run too.
Cheers,
Nick Brown
http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/5206/
KSD
j sreedhar wrote:
>
> Christian Kelly <C.K...@edn.gu.edu.au> writes:
>
> >Andre Stein wrote:
>
> >> My all time commentary team from hell.
> >>
> >> Commentary: Trevor Quirk, Ian Chappell, Greg Chappell, Jack Bannister,
> >>
> >> Expert Comments: Allan Border, Craig McDermott
> >>
> >> Host\Compere: David Fordham
> >>
> >> That's 8...Maybe we can get an All-time worst commentary XI:))
>
> >Here goes:
>
> >[Confined to actual Test cricketers}
>
> >1. Geoff Boycott
>
>
> >3. Ian Chappell
> >4. Greg Chappell
> >5. Greg Ritchie
> >6. Tony Greig
> >7. ??
> >8. ??
> >9. Craig McDermott
> >10. Frank Tyson
> >11. ??
>
> >Need help for the rest.
>
> >[Apologies for the Australian bias, but that's who I hear most of.
> >I'm sure other countries have their fair share of shockers :-]
>
> who were test cricketers...
>
> Maninder Singh, Kapil Dev, K. Srikkanth, Mohinder Amarnath,
> Yashpal Sharma...
Don't forget ML Jaisimha, AA Baig
>
> Sreedhar
Rick Eyre
Dianne van Dulken <dvand...@cce.cce.usyd.edu.au> wrote in article
<335D62...@cce.cce.usyd.edu.au>...
>
> I was impressed by Quirks charm of manner when I heard him commentate.
It
depths
> before hand, I would have been able to listen in (more) suitable awe.
Can anyone in South Africa (or indeed, anywhere) explain the circumstances
under which Trevor Quirk was given out obstructing the field in the 1978-79
season?
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Shaun <sdb...@mdw080.cc.monash.edu.au> writes:
>On Wed, 23 Apr 1997, Dianne van Dulken wrote:
>> Di
>> (who thinks that Boycott is an opinionated bore who would be best served by taking
>> him to some cliff and throwing him over)
>I'd push Tony Greig before you :-)
Push Tony Greig before Di? I don't know that you'd need to *push*
him :) But then he'd probably expect her to grovel, and that won't
happen will it? Ah I can just imagine the jabs and the retorts and
then the flying fists and beer bottles and clumps of (blonde?)
hair, until at last Greig's trap is shut for ever. Cunning plan,
that :-)
P.S. Boycott may well be opinionated, but bore he ain't. Not in small
doses, anyway. Please let him live, Di.
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Shaun
On Wed, 23 Apr 1997, Dianne van Dulken wrote:
> j sreedhar wrote:
> >
> > >Here goes:
> >
> > >[Confined to actual Test cricketers}
> >
> > >1. Geoff Boycott
> >
> > No way he would be on a WORST team. He is good!
>
> I'm looking for smilies, looking for smilies...
>
> There are no smilies!
>
> OH MY GOD!! HE MEANS IT!!!
>
> AAAAAARRRRGGGGHHHH!!!!
>
> Di
> (who thinks that Boycott is an opinionated bore who would be best served by taking
> him to some cliff and throwing him over)
I'd push Tony Greig before you :-)
Russ
On Thu, 24 Apr 1997, Christian Kelly wrote:
}Christian Kelly wrote:
}
}Thanks for all the suggestions- we now have an XI, though
}could still use a spinner.
}
}Worst Commentators XI
}
}[Confined to actual Test cricketers}
}
}2. Keith Stackpole
}3. Ian Chappell
}4. Greg Chappell
}5. Greg Ritchie
}7. Mahinder Armanath
}8. Rod Marsh
}9. Kapil Dev
}10. Richard Hadlee
}11. Frank Tyson [Does anyone remember him? He was so terrible he actually
} got replaced, which is almost unhear of.]
}
}A pretty strong XI, batting a *long* way down. Spin bowling the only worry,
}though I'm sure we can do better than Marsh for keeper- he isn't *that* bad.
I just don't understand the openers at all, Boycott has his moments, he
at least is entertaining, but Stacky?
come now, he was a ,lone hand during CH7's coverage of the SAF v AUS
series, you have also left Trevor Quirk out, who on the basis of this
thread has to be the vice capt. at least
Dianne van Dulken
Neeran M. Karnik wrote:
<snip>
> Push Tony Greig before Di? I don't know that you'd need to *push*
> him :) But then he'd probably expect her to grovel, and that won't
> happen will it?
It might. Very unlikely, true, but it might.
Ah I can just imagine the jabs and the retorts and
> then the flying fists and beer bottles and clumps of (blonde?)
> hair, until at last Greig's trap is shut for ever.
Nah, that would never happen. For one thing, I am not blonde. For another, I
am almost six foot tall, and Tony wouldn't have a chance. It's lucky for him
that I am such a nice Christian girl, and think that murder is wrong.
> P.S. Boycott may well be opinionated, but bore he ain't. Not in small
> doses, anyway. Please let him live, Di.
Since being a total prat is not YET a criminal offence......
Di
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Christian Kelly <C.K...@edn.gu.edu.au>, far, far away from here, appears to
have written:
>[Confined to actual Test cricketers}
>
>1. Geoff Boycott
>2. Keith Stackpole
>3. Ian Chappell
>4. Greg Chappell
>5. Greg Ritchie
>6. Tony Greig
>7. ??
>8. ??
>9. Craig McDermott
>10. Frank Tyson
>11. ??
>
>Need help for the rest.
Hadlee, Croft & Holding would fill the gaps quite nicely....
cheers,
Mic. (http://netserv.net.au/tiger/)
Cross Purposes Studios (Web & Graphic Design)
He who hesitates is probably right.
Christian Kelly
Christian Kelly wrote:
Thanks for all the suggestions- we now have an XI, though
could still use a spinner.
Worst Commentators XI
[Confined to actual Test cricketers}
1. Geoff Boycott [stays, despite the lone protest ;-]
2. Keith Stackpole
3. Ian Chappell
4. Greg Chappell
5. Greg Ritchie
6. Tony Greig [Captain- he is surely the worst of the lot]
7. Mahinder Armanath
8. Rod Marsh
9. Kapil Dev
10. Richard Hadlee
11. Frank Tyson [Does anyone remember him? He was so terrible he actually
got replaced, which is almost unhear of.]
A pretty strong XI, batting a *long* way down. Spin bowling the only worry,
though I'm sure we can do better than Marsh for keeper- he isn't *that* bad.
--
Michael Cullen
"K.M.RAJAGOPAL" <k...@india.hp.com>, far, far away from here, appears to have
written:
[snips]
>The best "commentary pair" I like is that of Holding and Boycott;
Michael Holding was here during the summer; I thought that his commentary
skill was inversely proportional to his bowling ability. Colin Croft was at
least as bad. The only thing either of them seemed to be any good at was
whining about what a rough time the WI were having.
cheers,
Mic. (http://netserv.net.au/tiger/)
Cross Purposes Studios (Web & Graphic Design)
An ostrich's eye is bigger than it's brain.
Rick Eyre
The Cricketman <crick...@geocities.com> wrote in article
<335DE1...@geocities.com>...
> nothing. And maybe Greg Ritchie's alter-ego could get a run too.
Unfortunately, I have seen Greg Ritchie's alter-ego get a run on cricket
commentary. Anyway, they are both out of action for two months thank
goodness...
Ian Galbraith
Michael Cullen <ti...@opera.iinet.net.au> wrote in article
<335ed45...@news.m.iinet.net.au>...
: "K.M.RAJAGOPAL" <k...@india.hp.com>, far, far away from here, appears to
have
: written:
:
: [snips]
:
: >The best "commentary pair" I like is that of Holding and Boycott;
:
: Michael Holding was here during the summer; I thought that his commentary
: skill was inversely proportional to his bowling ability. Colin Croft was
at
: least as bad. The only thing either of them seemed to be any good at was
: whining about what a rough time the WI were having.
I like Holding, that deep voice and the accent are great. Croft however
should be barred from ever visiting Aust. again, he is one of the most
biased commentators I have ever heard.
--
Ian Galbraith
La Trobe University, Melbourne, Australia
i.gal...@latrobe.edu.au
"Life has meaning only in the struggle. Triumph or defeat is
in the hands of the Gods. So let us celebrate the struggle."
- Swahili Warrior Song
j sreedhar
Christian Kelly <C.K...@edn.gu.edu.au> writes:
>Christian Kelly wrote:
>Thanks for all the suggestions- we now have an XI, though
>could still use a spinner.
>Worst Commentators XI
>
>[Confined to actual Test cricketers}
>1. Geoff Boycott [stays, despite the lone protest ;-]
Boo hoo. :-(
>2. Keith Stackpole
>3. Ian Chappell
>4. Greg Chappell
>5. Greg Ritchie
>6. Tony Greig [Captain- he is surely the worst of the lot]
>7. Mahinder Armanath
>8. Rod Marsh
>9. Kapil Dev
>10. Richard Hadlee
>11. Frank Tyson [Does anyone remember him? He was so terrible he actually
> got replaced, which is almost unhear of.]
>A pretty strong XI, batting a *long* way down. Spin bowling the only worry,
Look no further. India can spare Maninder Singh. :-)
Ian Jennings
Christian Kelly wrote:
> A pretty strong XI, batting a *long* way down. Spin bowling the only worry,
> though I'm sure we can do better than Marsh for keeper- he isn't *that* bad.
Trevor Quirk used to keep for Northern Transvaal. He's definitely the
man for the job!
Ian
Ian Jennings
Rick Eyre wrote:
> Can anyone in South Africa (or indeed, anywhere) explain the circumstances
> under which Trevor Quirk was given out obstructing the field in the 1978-79
> season?
I think it was purely on the grounds of his size :)
Ian
Rick Eyre
Andre Stein <an...@magna.com.au> wrote in article
<5jil57$qva$1...@snews2.magna.com.au>...
> In article <335D62...@cce.cce.usyd.edu.au>,
dvand...@cce.cce.usyd.edu.au says...
>
> >I was impressed by Quirks charm of manner when I heard him commentate.
It
> >was full of depth and knowledge. [snip]
>
> Yes, unfortunately his "depth and knowledge" must be with regards
> to something other than cricket. He is the most ignorant,
> inarticulate bore ever to hit the airwaves.
>
> My all time commentary team from hell.
> Commentary: Trevor Quirk, Ian Chappell, Greg Chappell, Jack Bannister,
> Expert Comments: Allan Border, Craig McDermott
> Host\Compere: David Fordham
How can I resist this challenge :-) My Commentary Team From Hell XI:
Studio anchorperson: Greg Ritchie
Studio expert: Craig McDermott
Commentators: Bill Lawry, Tony Greig, Henry Blofeld, Trevor Quirk, John
"Mystery" Morrison
Experts: Colin Croft, Doug Walters
Salesperson of over-priced bats and photographs: Richie Benaud
Special guest politician: Bob Hawke
Token Female: Kate Fitzpatrick (anyone remember the 83-84 Aus international
season?)
Which gives a team of
1 Lawry 2 Blofeld 3 Ritchie 4 Morrison 5 Walters 6 Greig 7 Hawke (c)
8 Benaud 9 Quirk (wk) 10 McDermott 11 Croft 12 Fitzpatrick
Rick
Rick Eyre
Shaun <sdb...@mdw080.cc.monash.edu.au> wrote in article
<Pine.ULT.3.91.970425...@mdw080.cc.monash.edu.au>...
>
> Terry Jenner gets too enthusiastic and biased towards Shane Warne at
times
> i noticed aswell.
Jenner has been a mentor to Warne which may explain some of the "bias".
Actually the worst "pro leg-spinner" bias I have ever seen in a commentator
was by Richie Benaud when Jim Higgs was playing for Australia in 80-81,
even to the point at one stage of Richie coming on camera at the end of an
over to explain some of the leg-spinner's deliveries.
It was almost as if Higgs was going to be the Messiah of Australian
Cricket!
> Personally i found most of the South African commetators alright also,
> including Mike Haysman aswell.
That's because Mike Haysman was originally an Australian :-)
Shaun
On 24 Apr 1997, Ian Galbraith wrote:
> Michael Cullen <ti...@opera.iinet.net.au> wrote in article
> <335ed45...@news.m.iinet.net.au>...
> : "K.M.RAJAGOPAL" <k...@india.hp.com>, far, far away from here, appears to
> have
> : written:
> :
> : [snips]
> :
> : >The best "commentary pair" I like is that of Holding and Boycott;
> :
> : Michael Holding was here during the summer; I thought that his commentary
> : skill was inversely proportional to his bowling ability. Colin Croft was
> at
> : least as bad. The only thing either of them seemed to be any good at was
> : whining about what a rough time the WI were having.
>
> I like Holding, that deep voice and the accent are great.
Holding is a very likeable commentator as is David Hookes.
First heard them together in 1995 Australia tour of West Indies.
Made a great duo and did not mind Mike Coward either.
Could not stand Geoff Boycott though :-)
Croft however
> should be barred from ever visiting Aust. again, he is one of the most
> biased commentators I have ever heard.
I heard him on radio a lot and found him quite funny a lot of the time.
Tim Lane is an EXCELLENT radio commentator.
Also goes for the right football team :-)
Tony Greig is the worst.
David Fordham is a SHOCKING host on channel 7.
Terry Jenner gets too enthusiastic and biased towards Shane Warne at times
i noticed aswell.
Personally i found most of the South African commetators alright also,
including Mike Haysman aswell.
Chan
Christian Kelly wrote:
>
> Christian Kelly wrote:
>
> Thanks for all the suggestions- we now have an XI, though
> could still use a spinner.
>
> Worst Commentators XI
>
> [Confined to actual Test cricketers}
>
> 1. Geoff Boycott [stays, despite the lone protest ;-]
> 3. Ian Chappell
> 4. Greg Chappell
> 5. Greg Ritchie
> 6. Tony Greig [Captain- he is surely the worst of the lot]
> 7. Mahinder Armanath
> 8. Rod Marsh
> 9. Kapil Dev
> 10. Richard Hadlee
> 11. Frank Tyson [Does anyone remember him? He was so terrible he actually
> got replaced, which is almost unhear of.]
>
> though I'm sure we can do better than Marsh for keeper- he isn't *that* bad.
>
I have a choice for keeper who will walk into this team. None other than
Sri Lanka's very own Ranjith Fernando!! I know he hasn't played Test
cricket but he would have had SL gotten test status a few years earlier.
Anyone who has heard his commentating will agree with me that he can
easily oust Marsh. Although not obnoxious or overly jingoistic (in fact,
he is quite the gentleman), he is the absolute master of stating the
obvious - you learn nothing that you don't already know when he is
commentating.
And hey, let me make a stand as one of the [few, it seems] supporters of
Tony Greig. It's not every day you find a commentator that sounds biased
towards a country that is *not* his own. Greig is the Darling of most
Sri Lankans for his delightfully exuberant enthusiasm and affection for
their team when he is on the air. I'm sure his affiliation must be hard
to understand for certain non-Sri Lankans, but that doesn't make him a
bad commentator. He does have many insightful observations on the game,
though I don't have any examples readily at hand.
It's ironic though, that both Greig and Ian Chappell, tough cookies when
they were players, appear to have now mellowed down significantly. Both
of them were a big part of the scene when in SL for the World Cup,
joining unhibitedly in the local festivities.
- Chan
Tim Goodman
Michael Cullen <ti...@opera.iinet.net.au> wrote in article
<3364e00c...@news.m.iinet.net.au>...
> Christian Kelly <C.K...@edn.gu.edu.au>, far, far away from here, appears
to
> have written:
[snip]
>
>
> Hadlee, Croft & Holding would fill the gaps quite nicely....
>
I reckon you're going a bit hard on poor Richard Hadlee. I remember a game
in 92/93 between Aus & NZ where Mark Greatbatch was given out LBW to a
Shane Warne flipper. The two Aussie commentators (Bill Lawry & Richie
Benaud?) were saying how marvellous Warne was, and what a marvellous ball
he'd bowled, and when Hadlee went into commentate he reminded them that
generally the ball has to be heading somewhere in the direction of the
wickets to be an LBW (technically speaking, of course).
There was also another time when he was commentating with Greg Chappell.
Chappell was trying to sell a book for channel 9 on Australian sporting
controversies. Hadlee suggested publicly that it was a bit strange that
Chappell himself wasn't in the book for a little incident in an ODI a few
years before, involving a ball and an underarm. Ahem.
Tim
Shaun
On 25 Apr 1997, Rick Eyre wrote:
> Shaun <sdb...@mdw080.cc.monash.edu.au> wrote in article
> <Pine.ULT.3.91.970425...@mdw080.cc.monash.edu.au>...
> >
> > Terry Jenner gets too enthusiastic and biased towards Shane Warne at
> times
> > i noticed aswell.
>
> Jenner has been a mentor to Warne which may explain some of the "bias".
Yeah, i knew this. I just thought he might try to hide the bias a bit better
than what he did.
> Actually the worst "pro leg-spinner" bias I have ever seen in a commentator
> was by Richie Benaud when Jim Higgs was playing for Australia in 80-81,
> even to the point at one stage of Richie coming on camera at the end of an
> over to explain some of the leg-spinner's deliveries.
> It was almost as if Higgs was going to be the Messiah of Australian
> Cricket!
Jimmy Higgs! What an excellent bat.
Makes Glen McGrath & Bruce Reid look useful :-)
> > Personally i found most of the South African commetators alright also,
> > including Mike Haysman aswell.
>
> That's because Mike Haysman was originally an Australian :-)
knew this aswell. :-)
He was good with having very good knowledge of all 22 players for each test.
Used to play for South Australia as i recall. The went off on the rebel
tours with Kim Hughes etc. Apparently done very well with Indoor Cricket
business and has lived over there ever since.
> | Rick Eyre gl...@bigpond.com ri...@cricket.org |
> | It's all happening at http://www.ozemail.com.au/~reyre/cricket.html |
> | CricInfo Interactive Magazine http://www.cricket.org/interactive/ |
> | Give me this XI anyday: |
> | 1.Taylor(c) 2.Slater 3.Dravid 4.Waugh,S 5.Chanderpaul |
> | 6.Tillekeratne 7.Bevan 8.Akram 9.Pollock 10.Warne 11.Saqlain |
hmmm... like your selection of bowlers.
Wasim Akram best fast bowler in world & Warne best spin bowler.
I'd have 1. Elliott 2. Slater 3. Tendulkar 4. Waugh, M 5. De Silva
6. Waugh, S 7. Gilchrist 8. Pollock 9. Akram 10 Warne 11 Saqlain
I pick this for side i'd like to watch.
Damn! Not enough room for De Villiers, D.Gough , Lara, Ponting, Blewett,
Langer, Chanderpaul & Sohail
Cheers,
Shaun
Nick Bennett
You total gits - jack bannister is the BEST commentator ever not the
WORST!
On 23 Apr 1997, A.M.Narayanan wrote:
> Christian Kelly (C.K...@edn.gu.edu.au) wrote:
> : Andre Stein wrote:
>
> : > My all time commentary team from hell.
> : >
> : > Commentary: Trevor Quirk, Ian Chappell, Greg Chappell, Jack Bannister,
> : >
> : > Expert Comments: Allan Border, Craig McDermott
> : >
> : > Host\Compere: David Fordham
> : >
> : > That's 8...Maybe we can get an All-time worst commentary XI:))
>
> : Here goes:
>
> : [Confined to actual Test cricketers}
>
> : 1. Geoff Boycott
> : 2. Keith Stackpole
> : 3. Ian Chappell
> : 4. Greg Chappell
> : 5. Greg Ritchie
> : 6. Tony Greig
> : 7. ??
> : 8. ??
> : 9. Craig McDermott
> : 10. Frank Tyson
> : 11. ??
>
> : Need help for the rest.
>
> : [Apologies for the Australian bias, but that's who I hear most of.
> : I'm sure other countries have their fair share of shockers :-]
>
> Trevor Quirk, Kapil and Maninder to complete the list
>
> Narayanan
> : --
>
> : Cheers
>
> : Christian Kelly
>
> : I Support Fenetik Spelling
>
> --
> Standard Disclaimers Hold
>
>
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Jackie Hewitt
Oh the shame, Oh the humiliation. Worcestershire all out for 96 in the
B&H zonal match against Warwickshire. Wicket described as "patchy".How
can I ever hold my head up again, and proclaim my pride in being a
Worcestershire supporter.
Or is it all part of a dastardly plan to fool opponents into a false
sense of security?
Jackie Hewitt
RSC's No One Courtney Walsh fan
Andy Evans
Worst Commentators?
I know he isn't a former test cricketer, thank goodness.
Henry Blofeld is *so* bad he deserves to be the non-playing
captain....
Andy Evans
10636...@compuserve.com
LET...@bigpond.com
Nick Bennett <lfu9...@reading.ac.uk> writes: > You total gits - jack bannister is the BEST commentator ever not the
> > Tony greig must be the worst- always jumping the gun...and getting it
patheticly wrong. that t.v com. in the resent R.S.A v AUST was just as bad
Rick Eyre
Nick Bennett <lfu9...@reading.ac.uk> wrote in article
<Pine.SOL.3.95q.9704...@sutf19.reading.ac.uk>...
> You total gits - jack bannister is the BEST commentator ever not the
> WORST!
Welcome back, Nick.
Rick
Samir Chopra
Ian Jennings (jenn...@phil.unp.ac.za) wrote:
>
> Harish Chandramouli wrote:
> >
> > Dianne van Dulken <dvand...@cce.cce.usyd.edu.au> wrote:
> >
> > dvd> Someone please explain the connection to me, as I have never even
> > dvd> HEARD of Donna Symonds before this second.
> >
> > Well..apart from being the only woman (that I know of) to have rejected
> > Trevor Quirk's blithering advances on national television <g>,
>
> Jesus, Harish - I know what you're trying to say, but your post could be
> taken to mean that there are actually women who ACCEPT Trevor's
> advances...
Even worse, it could be taken to mean that there are women who accept
Trevor's advances *on national television*.
Samir
Samir Chopra
Or maybe the sheer offensivness of his personality was deemed distracting
to the fielding side.
Samir
Michael Cullen
Nick Bennett <lfu9...@reading.ac.uk>, far, far away from here, appears to
have written:
>You total gits - jack bannister is the BEST commentator ever not the
>WORST!
[snips by mic]
Well reasoned argument in a well edited post will win me over every time.....
Rick Eyre
Samir Chopra <sc...@is4.nyu.edu> wrote in article
<5k5fml$cmq$2...@news.nyu.edu>...
> to the fielding side.
I've done a bit of research into the Quirk dismissal. From Gerald
Brodribb's excellent "Next Man In":
"The dismissal of T.Quirk in the match Northern Transvaal v Border at East
London, South Africa in 1978-9 was as peculiar as his own name. As
non-striker he was slow to respond to a hit made by his partner in the
direction of mid-on. He was still short of the crease when the throw in
coming from behind hit Quirk's bat, held up possibly in self-defence.
Though Quirk cannot have seen the ball coming, umpire Sansom ruled that the
deflection by the bat was a wlful action, and gave him out."
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