Shoaib Akhtar rates Brian Lara and Adam Gilchrist ahead of Sachin Tendulkar
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bowler said in an interview that he was never scared of bowling to
Tendulkar. He did mention that Gilchrist and Lara both scared him.
Gilly because he would just take the bowling apart and Lara because he
was in a different class altogether.
Muralitharan had stated quite clearly that the batsman who played him
best (better than anybody else and that includes Tendulkar) was Lara.
One of the most fearsome fast bowlers and one of the greatest spinners
of all time both rate Lara ahead of Tendulkar.
Andrew Dunford
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Comprehension problem - there is a difference between being 'scared' of
bowling to somebody and rating them a better player.
Andrew
jzfredricks
> One of the most fearsome fast bowlers and one of the greatest spinners
> of all time both rate Lara ahead of Tendulkar.
Many people rate Lara as a better Test player than SRT. Whilst I found
Lara to be more entertaining than SRT, I think SRT is "better"
overall.
Crapats (TM)
> Many people rate Lara as a better Test player than SRT. Whilst I found
> Lara to be more entertaining than SRT, I think SRT is "better"
> overall.
If you needed a man for the job then my pick would be Lara, no
questions here. However if you were to talk about such things as
longevity, consistency, carrying the weight of a nation etc, then
Tendulkar would be tops.
Don speaks the truth
> On Mar 21, 8:50 pm, jzfredricks <jzfredri...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > Many people rate Lara as a better Test player than SRT. Whilst I found
> > Lara to be more entertaining than SRT, I think SRT is "better"
> > overall.
>
> If you needed a man for the job then my pick would be Lara, no
> questions here.
Which job did Lara execute? Winning the world cup for West Indies
or making WI no.1 in Tests? The hard fact is neither.
Lara has an avg of 41 in Aus when Aus were at their peak. Sachin has
avg of 57+ in Aus. That tells the whole story.
Don
Don speaks the truth
wrote:
Pakis have a habit of speaking against India's best.
When Pak was a good team and India was not one, Imran Khan told that
winning a match against Ind was like victory of Jihad.He ate humble
pie
as times progressed and Paki team became a loser team.
Imran had also told that Inzy is world's best player not Sachin. Now
it is Shoaib's turn. Shoaib himself is a loser who is not even in the
playing
XI of his team. Only idiots like you will give any sort of importance
to
what this blabber mouth is saying.
Don
xs...@yahoo.com
sounds more fearful than fearsome.
Priya
wrote:
As Andrew said, I don't think he was rating them as much as saying who
he feared the most. That said, I would guess that Shoaib would rate
Lara higher than SRT which is fair enough.
But what is curious is that when others pick Tendulkar over Lara (eg.
Wasim, Donald, McGrath, Lee, Hadlee, Steve Waugh etc.), it is said
that they are doing so only to appease the Indian fans. If anything,
Shoaib is probably more of a fan favourite in India than any of Wasim,
Donald, McGrath, or Hadlee. He stands to "lose" the most by picking
Lara over SRT and yet I think that he would rate Lara higher. And he
certainly wouldn't be wrong in doing so. It's an opinion shared by
many. Just as Wasim et al.'s opinions are shared by many.
skp
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> "Call Centre" <outsourcingbusin...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
I believe Akhtar was quite clear. He stated that both Lara and
Gilchrist were someone he was afraid to bowl to and even added that
Tendulkar never scared him. That shows he did not find Tendulkar as
dangerous a batsman to bowl to and then for good measure he also added
that and I quote "Gilly would take the bowling apart and Lara was in a
different class." Whenever you ask any cricketer whom he rates higher
the question paramount in mind is whom he would least likely like to
bowl to and if a batsman whom he would least likely like to face.
Akhtar did not disrespect Tendulkar. He said that Tendulkar is an all
time great but in that sentence added that Lara was in a different
class.
Take it Easy
@k15g2000prk.googlegroups.com>, vika...@gmail.com says...
What will he gain by appeasing Indian fans? He is not in IPL or any
other way associated with Indian viewership that will benefit him.
I would like to see the article where he said he is scared of bowling to
Gilchrist or Lara.
Takeiteasy.
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wrote:
Actually one should give credence to what Akhtar is saying because
Akhtar also stands to lose a lot of his Indian fans by not calling
Tendulkar the greatest. Akhtar is considering a career in bollywood. A
possible return to play in IPL. India is THE lucrative cricket market.
Many international players overpraise Tendulkar for fear of angering
Indian fans. Obviously they respect Tendulkar genuinely but in many
instances they go overboard and are very scared of making any genuine
criticisms. Rightly so as fans like you would tear them apart no
matter how honest those critiques were. In such an environment it is
refreshing to see someone like Akhtar speak the truth.
The truth hurts at times but it is good to hear a player speak it
even though it may cost him not just fans in India but lucative
contracts as well. Well done Akhtar. Wish more cricketers spoke the
truth and spoke from the heart.
Call Centre
Well said. Akhtar stands to lose more than others by speaking this
truth. But he spoke from the heart and IMHO spoke the truth. I wish
Indian fans give him credit for that and actually my respect for him
has actually gone up. :)
Priya
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> > On Mar 20, 11:45 pm, Call Centre <outsourcingbusin...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > > Tearaway fast bowler Akhtar who in his prime was a very dangerous fast
> > > bowler said in an interview that he was never scared of bowling to
> > > Tendulkar. He did mention that Gilchrist and Lara both scared him.
> > > Gilly because he would just take the bowling apart and Lara because he
> > > was in a different class altogether.
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> > > Muralitharan had stated quite clearly that the batsman who played him
> > > best (better than anybody else and that includes Tendulkar) was Lara.
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> > > One of the most fearsome fast bowlers and one of the greatest spinners
> > > of all time both rate Lara ahead of Tendulkar.
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> > As Andrew said, I don't think he was rating them as much as saying who
> > he feared the most. That said, I would guess that Shoaib would rate
> > Lara higher than SRT which is fair enough.
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> > But what is curious is that when others pick Tendulkar over Lara (eg.
> > Wasim, Donald, McGrath, Lee, Hadlee, Steve Waugh etc.), it is said
> > that they are doing so only to appease the Indian fans. If anything,
> > Shoaib is probably more of a fan favourite in India than any of Wasim,
> > Donald, McGrath, or Hadlee. He stands to "lose" the most by picking
> > Lara over SRT and yet I think that he would rate Lara higher.
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> What will he gain by appeasing Indian fans? He is not in IPL or any
> other way associated with Indian viewership that will benefit him.
>
when they say that Hadlee and Wasim (as examples) are picking SRT over
Lara in order to appease Indian fans. I don't think that they gain
much (if anything) by appeasing Indian fans. I am simply pointing out
that if that is a valid argument, then Shoaib Akhtar - being more
popular in India than Wasim or Hadlee - would be even more motivated
to pick SRT. There are rumblings about Shoab trying his hand at
Bollywood movies. FWIW, that may be one reason for him to appease
Indian fans.
> I would like to see the article where he said he is scared of bowling to
> Gilchrist or Lara.
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I think I saw it on the TOI website a couple of days ago
Call Centre
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Exactly. I get your point and although you were not stating my point I
am using your new point to further validate my statement. That if
anything Akhtar would more likely have overpraised Tendulkar like
other ex cricketers do because Akhtar has quite a few fans in India
and also has plans to go to Bollywood etc. Yet, he chose to speak from
the heart and speak the truth. That is why my respect for him has gone
up quite a lot. I wish Indian fans give him the respect he deserves
and actually treat him kindly for speaking the truth.
Priya
Well, you have fallen into the exact trap that I was critical of in my
earlier post: If someone picks SRT, according to you, it's because
they "fear angering Indian fans". Rubbish.
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> The truth hurts at times but it is good to hear a player speak it
> even though it may cost him not just fans in India but lucative
> contracts as well. Well done Akhtar. Wish more cricketers spoke the
> truth and spoke from the heart.- Hide quoted text -
So, you are suggesting that Donald was being deceitful when he rated
SRT higher than Lara??
This is a matter of opinion. It's not a matter involving truth or
fiction.
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Take it Easy
@q12g2000prb.googlegroups.com>, vika...@gmail.com says...
I didn't know about the bollywood part.
Takeiteasy.
Take it Easy
@o30g2000pra.googlegroups.com>, vika...@gmail.com says...
Now a whole new angle of why Sachin is (incorrectly) considered great.
Previously, flat tracks, only in useless matches, only in first innings,
only against minnows, only against weak bowling, etc.
Now, anybody saying Sachin is great, is because they want to appease
Indian fans. Great going.
Thanks for bringing this to the open Vikram. Good find.
Takeiteasy.
Andrew Dunford
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I have just remembered how unbelievably tedious these "player X says player
Y was better than player Z" discussions are on rsc, and am wondering now why
I responded in the first place. Especially when they involve SRT as most
do.
Andrew
cricd...@hotmail.com
You're just smug because NZ bowlers successfully targeted
Tendulkar in the '03 WC whereas Akhtar was somewhat off-
target in the same endeavour. I can see why Tendulkar holds
no fears for him.
Suresh K S
> Tearaway fast bowler Akhtar who in his prime was a very dangerous fast
> bowler said in an interview that he was never scared of bowling to
> Tendulkar. He did mention that Gilchrist and Lara both scared him.
> Gilly because he would just take the bowling apart and Lara because he
> was in a different class altogether.
Sreesanth says he's most afraid of bowling to Harbhajan. He said that
Harbhajan scares him.
I think he rates Harbhajan higher than Tendulkar.
> Muralitharan had stated quite clearly that the batsman who played him
> best (better than anybody else and that includes Tendulkar) was Lara.
>
> One of the most fearsome fast bowlers and one of the greatest spinners
> of all time both rate Lara ahead of Tendulkar.
Make that three. One of the greatest spinners of all time, one of the
most fearsome fast bowlers and one of the most fearful bowlers of all
time do not rate Tendulkar as the best.
A rapidly emerging consensus amongst great bowlers on the 4 greatest
batsmen of all time would be: Lara, Harbhajan, Tendulkar, Bradman.
Suresh
jzfredricks
> A rapidly emerging consensus amongst great bowlers on the 4 greatest
> batsmen of all time would be: Lara, Harbhajan, Tendulkar, Bradman.
I look forward to the release of colourful, collaborative statistics
to prove this!
Call Centre
Since Harbhajans name is in that list and therefore it becomes one of
sarcasm it would have been better had you written it in this order
Harbhajan, Tendulkar, Lara , Bradman. :)
Amit
incidence of the Ind vs Pakistan world cup 2003. When Tendulkar
started the onslaught , after a bad over from Shioab Akhtar , he
refused to bowl the next over. Akram was flabbergasted and asked him
if he cant go to his Strike bowler in such a situation then who should
bowl the next over?
Considering what Akram said was true , If this is not fear what is?
Amit.
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Probably was paid not to bowl to Tendulkar. And if he bowls to bowl
poor deliveries. It is hard to imagine Akhtar would speak about
Tendulkar in that fashion in an interview when the lucrative money
that he stands to gain in India is at stake. He spoke the truth from
the heart. Just wish more cricketers did the same and said things the
way they really were. :)
Amit
How do u know he spoke from the heart? I gave you enough proof that he
was scared atleast on that day. Maybe the occasion got to him.
Are u the agent who paid him? :-)
Amit.
Suresh K S
>
> Since Harbhajans name is in that list and therefore it becomes one of
> sarcasm
Jest not sarcasm.
Suresh
Neha
> or making WI no.1 in Tests? The hard fact is neither.
>
Lara has an avg of 41 in Aus when Aus were at their peak. Sachin has
> avg of 57+ in Aus. That tells the whole story.
>
> Don
Tendulkar averaged 39 against peak southafrica, and averaged 13.78
against peak southafrica in 3rd/4th
innings(when batting becomes really really hard). Lara averaged over
46 in the same period. That tells the whole story!
Neha
Neha
> or making WI no.1 in Tests? The hard fact is neither.
>
> Lara has an avg of 41 in Aus when Aus were at their peak. Sachin has
> avg of 57+ in Aus. That tells the whole story.
>
> Don
Sachin averaged 35 against peak southafrica and averaged 13.78 against
southafrica in 3rd/4th
innings(when batting becomes really really hard). Lara averages 49 in
the same period. That tells the whole story
Neha
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Well said. Inspite of Tendulkar playing at his best for quite a few
years India never achieved anything close to being number one either
in test match cricket or one day cricket. It is only now in the past
two or three years that India have reached number one because the rest
of the Indian team has contributed much more than in the past.
Especially when India tours abroad. India in India were always strong
even 15 years back. In the WI however, not only have the WI team on
the whole given far less support to the genius of Lara but even in the
WI the WI team has not been that dominant for at least a decade now
(barring the brilliant exploits of Lara till he was there). Outside of
the WI they have of course been even worse.
Lara was actually under far far more pressure than Tendulkar because
the opposition always knew that get Lara's wicket and WI are finished.
Tendulkar always had quite a bit of luxury in this regard especially
in test match cricket where there was always Dravid and then Laxman.
In fact the Aussies might actually have feared Laxman even more than
Tendulkar in test match cricket.
No question in my mind that Lara is superior when it comes to test
match cricket. In one day cricket however, Tendulkar's record puts him
ahead of Lara and so in one day cricket Tendulkar is IMHO the second
greatest one day batsman of all time behind only Sir Viv Richards. :)
Suresh K S
>
> Sachin averaged 35 against peak southafrica and
Oh my. In your previous post - posted just 5 minutes before this one -
Tendulkar averaged 39 against "peak southafrica" and in 5 minutes his
average has fallen to 35.
Did you exclude some games played in the 5 minutes just before South
Africa became "peak southafrica" this would explain the fall in
Tendulkar's average.
But this would not explain how south africa completed a game (or
games) in just five minutes. Alan Donald was really quick and Lance
Klusener as we all know was a veritable sprinter. Still it is pretty
impressive that they managed to finish a game in 5 minutes. No wonder
they went from just RSA to "peak southafrica".
If Australia win tomorrow would they be (1) Australia still (2) Peak
Australia or (3) a few minutes short of peaking.
And if Tendulkar gets a big score against Australia tomorrow but
Australia wins the game would it be "Peak Tendulkar" against "Peak
Australia?" Or will it be just Tendulkar against Australia - as it has
been for most of the last 20 years.
Peak Suresh
Neha
dena..
But my point remains correct that Sachin averaged 35 against peak
southafrica and averaged 13.78 against
southafrica in 3rd/4th innings(when batting becomes really really
hard). Lara averages 49 in
the same period.
Neha