Who is the fastest bowler in the world?
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this ? has been troubling me for quite a long time.Who is the fastest bowler
at the moment?
Perhaps Waqar but what about Zahid?
He looks quite fast.
Rahul
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Rob Malpass
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pub...@hpl.govt.nz "Public Access User" writes:
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>this ? has been troubling me for quite a long time.Who is the fastest bowler
>at the moment?
Not seen Zahid, but I'd have thought Allan Donald has to be the quickest,
particularly as there's no strong West Indian challenge at the moment. When
I saw Waqar in England last Summer, he didn't look as fast as he used to be.
Cheers
Rob
Mick
Rob Malpass <R...@getiton.demon.co.uk> wrote in article
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> Rob
A guy by the name of Brad Williams plays with Victoria in the Sheffield
Shield and a few of the Aust test team have been quoted as saying he is the
quickest around.
Its an interesting problem. Years ago with World Series Cricket (1978),
they had a competition with a speed gun - Jeff Thompson won that for
memory.
Good Luck
Mick
Simon
On Wed, 08 Jan 1997 05:47:10 +0200, Paul Furber <pa...@sprintlink.co.za> wrote:
>Rob Malpass wrote:
>> Not seen Zahid, but I'd have thought Allan Donald has to be the quickest,
>> particularly as there's no strong West Indian challenge at the moment. When
>> I saw Waqar in England last Summer, he didn't look as fast as he used to be.
>
>I remember a couple of years ago when Pakistan toured SA, IBM had a
>radar system set up at the Wanderers that was measuring the speed of the
>ball bowled. Wakar and Wasim were sitting between the 82-88 Mph mark
>(130-140 kmh) but I can't remember Allan Donald's figure at the time. I
>would say he's between 85 and 90 mph at the moment.
There will be a 'speedtrap' set up at the Wanderers for the third test India/RSA if this
proves popular then it will be set up all round the country. This system was tested at the
recent Newlands test - producing the interesting fact that Kumble's quicker ball goes
through at 93 km / hour.
Simon,
Mad Hamish
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m...@deakin.edu.au says...
>A guy by the name of Brad Williams plays with Victoria in the Sheffield
>Shield and a few of the Aust test team have been quoted as saying he is the
>quickest around.
He's the quickest Australian bowler by a fair way. I don't think that I've
seen anyone faster than Zahid though, at least not for a long time.
>
>Its an interesting problem. Years ago with World Series Cricket (1978),
>they had a competition with a speed gun - Jeff Thompson won that for
>memory.
Yep, frighteningly he _also_ won the accuracy competition.....
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Rob Malpass wrote:
> Not seen Zahid, but I'd have thought Allan Donald has to be the quickest,
> particularly as there's no strong West Indian challenge at the moment. When
> I saw Waqar in England last Summer, he didn't look as fast as he used to be.
I remember a couple of years ago when Pakistan toured SA, IBM had a
radar system set up at the Wanderers that was measuring the speed of the
ball bowled. Wakar and Wasim were sitting between the 82-88 Mph mark
(130-140 kmh) but I can't remember Allan Donald's figure at the time. I
would say he's between 85 and 90 mph at the moment.
I have been thinking of a quick and dirty system that would help you to
measure a fast bowler with the aid of a stopwatch and a TV slow-motion
replay. Given the number of frames per second that the replay is played
at gives you the amount the sequence is slowed down and if you then time
the release of the ball from the bowler's hand to it passing the crease
(or hitting the stumps), you could work out the actual speed.
Anyone tried this?
Paul.
C:WINSOCKKA9QSPOOLMAIL
Hi Guys
Could anyone kindly post a few stats as to who are the top 20 fast
bowlers in the world and what their speeds are ??
Every fast bowler gets called as the fastest at some time or the
other by different commentators.Hence the confusion!
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Rohan Chandran
Well for what it's worth I think there are two people in it, Allan
Donald and Mohd. Zahid. Both appear to be bowling between 90-95
mph. Donald has been measured in that range I think - in the current
Test series. There's not a lot of mph's (sic) in this though. Srinath
is only bowling marginally slower than Donald (coming in at about
88-90 IIRC) and the likes of Glenn McGrath have to be there or
thereabouts. Of course, it's that extra couple of mph that makes all
the difference...
Rohan [ glad to have got on Zahid's good side in Hong Kong! ]
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ro...@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Rohan Chandran) wrote:
I believe on the commentary one of the recent New Zealand vs Pakistan
matches we were told that the recent Pakistan Under 19 team had 3
bowlers who could bowl over 90 miles per hour. Am I right in thinking
Zahid was one of these 3?
Be very afraid.
James McLaughlin
Roger Pitot
Paul Furber <pa...@sprintlink.co.za> wrote:
At Newlands in the second test Donald was consistently above
140km/h, and his fastest was 145, which is around 90 mph. I
remember how excited people got when Wes Hall was timed at 91 mph
in the 60s.
I reckon Donald is the consistently fastest bowler today.
Roger Pitot
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SAli102162
How about Mohammad Akram? During English tour last summer, he was rated
the fastest bowler.
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> this ? has been troubling me for quite a long time.Who is the fastest bowler
> at the moment?
> He looks quite fast.
>
> Rahul
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Hard to figure. Judging from what I have read in Aussie newspapers
on the net,Mohammed Zahid is probably the quickest. His team
manager reckons that he is around a yard or so quicker than Waqar.
However I have no idea about his top pace. I remember watching the
final of the three nation tournament in SAfrica in Feb-March 1993.
SAfrican television displayed the top speeds of the 5/6 fastest
bowlers in the tournament. Waqar came out on top, and his quickest
delivery in the tournament was measured at 151 km/h. The next
quickest were: 2)Donald[147 km/h] 3) Akram and Bishop [144km/h] 4)
Patterson [142 km/h] 5) Ambrose[140km/h] . The number I have
mentioned are from memory, but atmost they could differ by about
2/3 km/h from the actual measurements. I think that was a pretty
fair reflection of their pace at the time because the top speed of
each bowler was measured in each and every match that he played in;
so in the whole tournanment each bowler got about 60 overs to bowl
his quickest delivery.
I dont think the bowlers mentioned above are as quick as
they used to be,though. Patterson is out of the scene;Waqar and
Ambrose do not seem to be capable of bowling as fast, and Akram,
Bishop and Donald prefer to bowl only the occassional delivery at
top pace. Srinanth bowls at genuine pace nowadays, but judging from
what I have seen of him, I think his top speed is somewhat less
than that of the bowlers mentioned earlier.
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In article <5b20pg$9...@nntp.Stanford.EDU>,
ro...@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Rohan Chandran) wrote:
>
> Well for what it's worth I think there are two people in it, Allan
> Donald and Mohd. Zahid. Both appear to be bowling between 90-95
> mph. Donald has been measured in that range I think - in the current
> Test series. There's not a lot of mph's (sic) in this though. Srinath
> is only bowling marginally slower than Donald (coming in at about
> 88-90 IIRC) and the likes of Glenn McGrath have to be there or
> thereabouts. Of course, it's that extra couple of mph that makes all
> the difference...
>
> Rohan [ glad to have got on Zahid's good side in Hong Kong! ]
>
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Hard to figure. Judging from what I have read in Aussie newspapers on the net,
Mohammed Zahid is probably the quickest. His team manager reckons that he is
around a yard or so quicker than Waqar. However I have no idea about his top
pace. I remember that during the final of the three nation tournament in SAfrica
in Feb-March 1993, SAfrican television displayed the top speeds of the 5/6
fastest bowlers in the tournament. Waqar came out on top, and his quickest
delivery in the tournament was measured at 151 km/h. The next quickest were:
2)Donald[147 km/h] 3) Akram and Bishop [144km/h] 4) Patterson [142 km/h] 5)
Ambrose[140km/h] . I think that was a pretty fair reflection of their pace at
the time because the top speed of each bowler was measured in each and every
match that he played in; so each bowler got more than one chance to bowl at his
top speed.
I dont think the bowlers mentioned above are as quick as they used to be,
though. Patterson is out of the scene;Waqar and Ambrose do not seem to be
capable of bowling as fast, and Akram, Bishop and donald prefer to bowl only the
occassional delivery at top pace. Srinanth bowls at genuine pace nowadays, but
judging from what I have seen of him, I think his top speed is somewhat less
than those of the bowlers mentioned before.
Naeem00
Waqar incapable of bowling fast nowadays . . . . if it wasnt so funny I
wouldn't even reply this much :-)
fa_a...@acad.fandm.edu
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nae...@aol.com (Naeem00) wrote:
>
> Waqar incapable of bowling fast nowadays . . . . if it wasnt so funny I
> wouldn't even reply this much
bowling as fast..." ? If I am correct, please read the article again.
If u r still incapable of comprehending meaning, let me know ....may
be I can help you.
Good luck
Faisal
Nick Bennett
On 12 Jan 1997, SAli102162 wrote:
> How about Mohammad Akram? During English tour last summer, he was rated
> the fastest bowler.
>
>
bull, utter bull. Mohammed ZAHID maybe! but i'd say Donald.
Mohd Akram is only fast medium and nothing like the pace of these guys!
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Naeem00
faisal you are a funny guy ! waqar + Incapable ( in cricketing terms do
not go together ) and incapable is not the word I would choose !!!!
however , just because Waqar did not bowl as fast as he can - does not
seem to me that he has lost all ability to bowl fast ( as he used to ) !
Indeed , from what I gather , Waqar in a interview that I saw that he is
nowadays deliberately trying to 'hold back ' a little more and not always
strive for pace as he wants to prolong his carer . I forget now where I
read it - but I remeber reading that some member of the pakistan team
thought Waqar was suffering from phsychological fears of bowling fast -
that he does not want to end his career quickly by over doing his back .
Also - as Waqar has only come back from serious injury recently . Give
him time - hes still young and can build up hs back muscles in due course
. Note also - the ptches he was bowling in on England in the summer were
not exactly quick wickets . I thought he was looking like the quickest of
all the fast bowlers in the world cup last year ( where he seemed to be
runnin in full steam after the first few overs ) . I hope i have answered
you r letter - but i cant be sure , your previous letter I can no longer
read as my computer system only keeps letters that are no older than a few
days usually ( so I am trying to remeber what you said ) !!!
fa_a...@acad.fandm.edu
In article <19970117004...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
IN my originsl article I wrote : "Ambrose and Waqar seem to be incapable of
bowling as fast (as they used to in '93)". I have never stated that they have
lost the capacity to bowl fast or as fast as earlier. The fact is that both of
them are bowling at a comparitively reduced. Now I dont know why this is so -
maybe they have they have infact lost the capacity or pehaps,as u stated, they
r
'holding back'. Either way it does not matter much because both Ambrose and
Waqar are among the greatest ever. They can still get tons of wickets with
their
skill.
Nick Bennett
On 14 Jan 1997, Naeem00 wrote:
> Waqar incapable of bowling fast nowadays . . . . if it wasnt so funny I
> wouldn't even reply this much :-)
>
>
Well he still looked bloody fast against England last summer. and dont
start with the "well surav gaguly would look fast against england"
rubbish. waqar was averaging 90mph against england i'm sure last summer,
or at least 85-88.
ALAN donald though, remains the most consistently quick bowler around.
Happy41827
Actually Waqar bowled slowly against England . . . . he was not his usual
self . I think that Muhammed Akram looked the quickest of the paki bowlers
. Waqar was not consistently bowling at 85 mph + , indeed I think he was
usually around the 80 mark ( up/belowa few mph) . Of course he wsnt helped
by the fact that the english groundsman were running scared of him and
wasim so that they deliberately made slow wickets !
rafay
well i watched mohd. zahid in australia and he was bowling fast ...
sahibzada rafay khan
Jay
Following is a sensational article which appeared in the Hindu
(Indian newspaper).
*******************************************************************
Cronje and Cullinan stars in South Africa's win
Date: 26-01-1997 :: Pg:
22 :: Col: a
By R. Mohan
CENTURION, Jan. 25.
The cricket on an African night was
intense and dramatic. This was the night on which the
Zimbabwean lion roared on its maiden journey south of
the Limpopo river. South Africa, so accustomed to being
the hunter on home soil, suddenly became the hunted.
The battle that ensued was one of character. As they say
in the jargon of wild life, the fight to be king of the pride
can be bloody and bitter and only the strongest lion wins
the territory. In such a powerful battle, the home side
came through victorious thanks once again to Daryll
Cullinan. The chubby middle order batsman had saved a
Test match only at the start of the week and here he was
defending for life at the weekend to keep the
Zimbabweans from making further inroads into an
innings already opened up in the first few overs.
Cullinan's form and his calm and collected play in a
crisis helped his side come through in the end for South
Africa to win two in two in the Standard Bank tri-series.
He had plenty of assistance from Hansie Cronje who
sustained another innings with fortitude more than stroke
making innovation.
Between them they eased the pressures and used their
experience to make it a no-nerves display after the target
had shrunk to manageable proportions, not in terms of the
asking rate but in relation to wickets of which the home
side could afford to lose no more since there were no
specialists left.
There is, however, no such thing as a certainty in sport
which in fact may have impinged itself on those who
placed South Africa as a supposedly unbeatable
favourite. it did seem this too was just another day
conforming to a largely familiar pattern. while Grant
Flower was the glittering exception, the Zimbabweans
had been timid as lambs at the batting crease.
Their amateurish attitude had left them with what seemed
an undefendable total despite the younger Flower's fine
knock of 90. He alone demonstrated what a good pitch
this was and how good the conditions were for batting.
The men of the middle order who deserted their opener
Flower may have been kicking themselves for their
carelessness.
The bowlers then set after the South Africans with the
new ball and got them down to seven for three and in a
deep hole. Attack was certain to be the more likely road
to success and they used the new ball so well as to force
errors out of a side which may have been slightly
complacent at the supper break.
The chicken farmer Eddo Brandes who believes in
hitting the deck with the ball may have been lucky to get
the nod for his shout for leg before, first ball, against
Hudson. It was the bespectacled and scholarly-looking
John Rennie who was the more impressive user of the
new ball.
Rennie was to swing it both ways on an evening which
he had begun with a splendid ball that pitched leg stump
and hit off, beating Klusener's bat on the way. Soon he
beat Kirsten's uncertain footwork with a ball that left him
and he edged it to slip and the innings was wide open for
exploitation.
The pressure was now squarely on the home side.
Cullinan had to bat defensively first to save the innings
from a total rout. And the bounce of Brandes had Jonty
Rhodes on a leash and the cricket was intense and
dramatic. The bubbly Rhodes chanced his arm and drove
and pulled until Heath Streak's warmup ball, a swinging
half volley, was sufficient to induce an over eager
square drive which was picked up at gully.
That left Cronje, already struggling to present the middle
of his bat to ball, battling with Cullinan. The pitch was
perfect. Having the time to adjust and possessing the grit
so necessary for this kind of a job, Cronje buckled down
as he had done on Thursday night at Bloemfontein
against India.
The Zimbabweans held back Paul Strang as their late
weapon. Their bowling may go down a bit as the ball
wears out and he came on as the last ace in the bowling
pack. It is arguable whether Streak is not better off using
the new ball since he takes the ball out rather than bang it
in as Brandes does.
It was too late for such speculation since Streak, like
Donald who picked up four wickets this afternoon with
some well directed pace bowling at around 138 kmph in
his second spell, has been bowling one change for some
time now. Donald is happy to be bowling the old ball
because he finds controlling the new white ball a
headache. At this stage of his career, he could not retrain
himself and that is understandable. It is different with
young Streak.
Leg spin could win or lose the match. On the night,
Strang was not good to get an early wicket and even if
the excitement did not die down since the home win was
so popular, the intensity was disappearing fast. From
there, common sense batting would do. Cullinan is too
smart a customer not to have realised that Cronje is one
of those deeply committed to victory. The South African
lion won.
The cricket park which gave its name to the city was
decked out in all its splendour for the big occasion. The
first clash of the African nations in South Africa seemed
to touch a chord in the cricket followers of the area and
they turned up in droves fairly early at the Centurion
Park.
The sense of occasion does not easily overwhelm the
modern players. But not even a very fine performance by
one of their leading batsmen Grant Flower seemed to
show the way. The younger Flower batted splendidly
and ended just one run short of his highest one-day
International score which is his 91 against Pakistan at
Quetta.
The approach of the rest was far too amateurish. Just no
one aspired to play on and build an innings as the
younger Flower did. The middle order collapse the
Zimbabweans with many overs to play but few
competent batsmen to utilise them. Neither the captain,
nor the former captain nor the player-coach and himself
a former captain and Zimbabwe's first in Test cricket did
much to support the opener who showed them how to
play this game.
The skipper, Alistair Campbell, fell for a very old trick
of bringing on an occasional bowler to see if that would
unsettle the batsman or give him the false sense of
security. Cullinan was bowling only for the second time
in a one-day International and Campbell went after his
very first ball and holed out to deep midwicket off a rank
long hop.
If the captain must have felt like kicking himself for
throwing it away after doing all the spade work, one of
his predecessors in the job must have felt worse. Andy
Flower too threw it away when going after Hansie
Cronje's military medium pace and guiding it down to
the wicket-keeper.
Worse was to come as Andy Wishart, none the wiser for
escaping a run out situation he himself had created by
being too slow between the wickets, played a
schoolboy's shot at the very next ball he faced. An
international cricketer would be ashamed to play such a
stroke in the middle overs. Anything goes in the slog but
where was the need for such pointless aggression at that
stage.
Dave Houghton, who may have lectured them for years
on how to improve their approach was also guilty of
chucking his wicket. He did, however, drive the ball to
cover and was not dismissed with a crude hit across the
line. But all this meant Flower had to take a chance in
the end overs when he too drove hard into cover.
Model for young batsmen
Flower had built up the innings so well. It is always
good to see a player of compact technique making runs.
And, he has such active footwork he should be a model
for young batsmen. He may have spent the early part of
his career in making tidy his defence. But it is only now
that he is prepared to play his shots early. Superbly
played though it was, it was not the beauty of his cover
drive which sent Craig Matthews off after just one ball.
The pace bowler who was once the vice-captain of his
team has just come back after tending to his fitness
problems.
It is a pity then that he slipped in his follow-through,
sprained his left ankle and ruptured ligaments and
limped off. He is not expected to be fit for three weeks
and a replacement should be picked soon. And Cronje
who came on to fill in for Matthews ended up getting
wickets with his 118 kmph wobblers.
The men of the middle order kept letting Flower down
but he batted on in a serene way after a flurry of early
boundary hits in which he showed how much he has
come on as a batsman. There was a lofted off drive off
Donald which was a statement rather than just a shot.
This Grant Flower was not going to be cowed down by
reputations.
Scoreboard
SOUTH AFRICA v ZIMBABWE
ZIMBABWE
Runs Mins Balls 4s 6s
G. Flower c Hudson b Donald 90 168 126 8 -
A. Waller c Cullinan b Pollock 0 2 1 - -
A. Campbell c Kirsten b Cullinan 15 62 35 1 -
A. Flower c Richardson b Cronjea 16 25 14 1 -
G. Wishart c Donald b Cronje 8 10 10 1 -
D. Houghton c Cullinan b Klusener 8 11 13 1 -
G. Whittall c Richardson b Donald 13 45 25 - -
P. Strang b Donald 39 41 41 5 -
H. Streak b Donald 9 40 25 - -
E. Brandes (run out) 2 10 6 - -
J. Rennie (not out) 0 2 - - -
Extras (lb-4, nb-1, w-6) 11
---
Total (in 48.5 overs) 211
---
Fall of wickets: 1-1 (Waller), 2-53 (Campbell), 3-85 (A. Flower),
4-99 (Wishart), 5-110 (Houghton), 6-157 (Whittall), 7-171 (G.
Flower), 8-203 (P. Strang), 9-211 (Brandes).
South Africa bowling: Pollock 10-0-33-1, Matthews 0.1-0-4-0,
Cronje 8.5-0-35-2, Klusener 9-0-38-1, Donald 9.5-0-37-4, Symcox
10-0-54-0, Cullinan 1-0-7-1.
SOUTH AFRICA
Runs Mins Balls 4s 6s
A. Hudson lbw b Brandes 0 2 1 - -
G. Kirsten c Campbell b Rennie 4 12 8 - -
L. Klusener b Rennie 1 5 2 - -
D. Cullinan c A. Flower b Streak 73 149 108 3 -
J. Rhodes c G. Flower b Streak 16 31 20 1 1
H. Cronje (not out) 87 140 128 6 1
S. Pollock (not out) 20 39 16 - -
Extras (lb-1, nb-5, w-5) 11
---
Total (for five wkts in 46.1 overs) 212
---
Fall of wickets: 1-0 (Hudson), 2-5 (Klusener), 3-7 (Kirsten), 4-
43 (Rhodes), 5-166 (Cullinan).
Zimbabwe bowling: Brandes 8-2-31-1, Rennie 7-1-28-2, Streak 10-0-
51-2, Whittall 8-0-42-0, Strang 10-0-43-0, G. Flower 3.1-0-16-0.
Paul Furber
rafay wrote:
>
> > self . I think that Muhammed Akram looked the quickest of the paki bowlers
> > . Waqar was not consistently bowling at 85 mph + , indeed I think he was
> > usually around the 80 mark ( up/belowa few mph) . Of course he wsnt helped
>
The Speedstick radar device used during the SA-India test at the
Wanderers showed Donald hitting 148 kph (92,5mph), Klusener and Srinath
at 142 kph (88,75mph) and during the SA-Zim ODI, Heath Streak at around
88mph.
Any advance on 92,5mph?
Paul.
David C Whitworth
In article <32ECD3...@sprintlink.co.za>, Paul Furber
<pa...@sprintlink.co.za> writes
IMHO Donald is now the fastest in the world. He used to be the fastest
white bowler in the world but since the demise of the Windies attack I
think he is now the fastest.
Incidentally, we appear to be talking only about GOOD fast bowlers. How
about Devon Malcolm ? No one would consider him a great bowler but he
had a hell of a lot of speed.
Also a few years ago some bloke called Heath Davies (I think) played one
test for New Zealand against England because half their bowling attack
was injured and he seemed to be frighteningly quick. He was half Mauri
and had a Mauri middle name, as one of the commentators put it, "this
presumably does not translate as 'Oh straight one'"
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> Also a few years ago some bloke called Heath Davies (I think) played one
> test for New Zealand against England because half their bowling attack
> was injured and he seemed to be frighteningly quick. He was half Mauri
> and had a Mauri middle name, as one of the commentators put it, "this
> presumably does not translate as 'Oh straight one'"
>
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The word is MAORI, not Mauri for your info. (Indigenous NZ race)
Funny that you mention him, Heath Davis was back to haunt the English in a
mid-week game today, he got 4 for 22, and at one stage was 3 for 6 off 6
overs. seems he has conquered the wild side, and is real menacing with that
speed.. don't know if anyone has measured, but too fast for the English
openers.
If he gets a test recall next week, they may not be making fun of his name
for much longer....
Gary
Syed Mehdi
Naeem10318 wrote:
>
> rafay wrote:
> >
> > > self . I think that Muhammed Akram looked the quickest of the paki
> bowlers
> > > . Waqar was not consistently bowling at 85 mph + , indeed I think he
> was
> > > usually around the 80 mark ( up/belowa few mph) . Of course he wsnt
> helped
> > well i watched mohd. zahid in australia and he was bowling fast ...
> >
>
> >The Speedstick radar device used during the SA-India test at the
> >Wanderers showed Donald hitting 148 kph (92,5mph), Klusener and Srinath
> >at 142 kph (88,75mph) and during the SA-Zim ODI, Heath Streak at around
> >88mph.
> >Any advance on 92,5mph?
>
> >Paul.
>
> comparison is unfair . Especially as donlad spends time on nice green
> bouncy wickets wheras Waqar was playing on dead tracks . I saw Donald in
> England on their last tour - and he was not fast here . In fact in one
> match he got smacked for 90+ runs in only 12 overs in a test !!!! What I
> do know is that a healthy Waqar and beats a healthy Donald for pace
> everytime ! remeber 1993 - the speed test where Waqar , Donald and Ambrose
> were all competing in one place . . Waqar won !
Without any doubt, Waqar is the fastest bowler in the world today. His
closest rival is Alan Donald. Ambrose is past his prime and is no more
one of the fastest in the world. Muhammad Zahid of Pakistan is also
pretty fast, but I really dont know of the exact speed of his
Syed Mehdi
Naeem10318
Joel Little
: >The Speedstick radar device used during the SA-India test at the
: >Wanderers showed Donald hitting 148 kph (92,5mph), Klusener and Srinath
: >at 142 kph (88,75mph) and during the SA-Zim ODI, Heath Streak at around
: >88mph.
: >Any advance on 92,5mph?
: Sorry paul but they are playing on different wickets - so a speed
: comparison is unfair . Especially as donlad spends time on nice green
: bouncy wickets wheras Waqar was playing on dead tracks . I saw Donald in
: England on their last tour - and he was not fast here . In fact in one
: match he got smacked for 90+ runs in only 12 overs in a test !!!! What I
: do know is that a healthy Waqar and beats a healthy Donald for pace
: everytime ! remeber 1993 - the speed test where Waqar , Donald and Ambrose
: were all competing in one place . . Waqar won !
Who cares about the speed of the pitch... measure the speed before the
ball hits the pitch and the pitch doesn't come into it.
Sure, Waqar was fastest in 1993. It is now 1997, waqar is 4 years older.
Did you see him in Australia at the end of 1995? He was nothing close in
fast!!!
Personally, I think the best way of judging a bowlers pace is by asking
the batsmen. They get the best look!!
Cheers.
Joel
Tim Cotsford
naeem...@aol.com (Naeem10318) wrote:
>rafay wrote:
>>
>> > self . I think that Muhammed Akram looked the quickest of the paki
>bowlers
>> > . Waqar was not consistently bowling at 85 mph + , indeed I think he
>was
>> > usually around the 80 mark ( up/belowa few mph) . Of course he wsnt
>helped
>> well i watched mohd. zahid in australia and he was bowling fast ...
>>
>
>>Wanderers showed Donald hitting 148 kph (92,5mph), Klusener and Srinath
>>at 142 kph (88,75mph) and during the SA-Zim ODI, Heath Streak at around
>>88mph.
>>Any advance on 92,5mph?
>
>
>Sorry paul but they are playing on different wickets - so a speed
>comparison is unfair . Especially as donlad spends time on nice green
>bouncy wickets wheras Waqar was playing on dead tracks . I saw Donald in
>England on their last tour - and he was not fast here . In fact in one
>match he got smacked for 90+ runs in only 12 overs in a test !!!! What I
>do know is that a healthy Waqar and beats a healthy Donald for pace
>everytime ! remeber 1993 - the speed test where Waqar , Donald and Ambrose
>were all competing in one place . . Waqar won !
Then again I saw Donald over here in 94, he was v.quick.
I also saw Waqar here in 95, he looked as if he was past it, in one Test
he got belted for over 100 off about 10 overs!!!!!!.
I guess it depends when you want to measure them.
Cheers
Tim
Naeem10318
>Then again I saw Donald over here in 94, he was v.quick.
>I also saw Waqar here in 95, he looked as if he was past it, in one Test
>he got belted for over 100 off about 10 overs!!!!!!.
>I guess it depends when you want to measure them.
Then again Tim , wasnt that when Waqar was recovering from a serious
injury ?
The fastest I have ever seen Waqar bowl was in 1991 -92 before his stress
fracture - on dead wickets he was getting the ball through batters even
before they had the bat down ( ref : Waqar bowls Steve waugh in
Australasia cup final - Incidentally this was the first time I saw Waqar
really be recognised as a express pace bowler ) .
Anyway Both Donald & Waqar are quick . But I would like to see a healthy
Waqar bowl on the bouncy wickets rather than his usual dead wickets . I
would also like to see Muhammed Zahid bowl . . I heard plenty about him
too . Ambrose , the last tim e I saw used to be real quick - but as I
havent seen him recently i can no longer say wether he is or not . Wasim
is quick . . . .when he wants to be . I thought in the 92 world cup
final he was not only the classiest bowler but the fastest - and certainly
wasnt anything short of menacing . I have only seen McGrath bowl a few
times but every time I seen him he seems to have had a off day - but i am
told hes impressive too . Any comments ?
Iblees
Naeem10318 wrote:
> Anyway Both Donald & Waqar are quick . But I would like to see a healthy
> Waqar bowl on the bouncy wickets rather than his usual dead wickets . I
> would also like to see Muhammed Zahid bowl . . I heard plenty about him
> too . Ambrose , the last tim e I saw used to be real quick - but as I
> havent seen him recently i can no longer say wether he is or not . Wasim
> is quick . . . .when he wants to be . I thought in the 92 world cup
> final he was not only the classiest bowler but the fastest - and certainly
> wasnt anything short of menacing . I have only seen McGrath bowl a few
> times but every time I seen him he seems to have had a off day - but i am
> told hes impressive too . Any comments ?
From what I saw on TV during the Carlton & United Series, Zahid appeared
to be the fastest of all the bowlers playing for any of the sides. Among
the West Indian bowlers Patterson Thompson in one of the games was
sending
down some really fast ones (but lacked control). Ambrose was hampered by
a
hamstring problem and may have been saving himself for the tests. From
the
telecasts from SA, Donald also seemed to be bowling really fast and was
in superb form. Comparing the pace of Donald and Zahid is difficult
given
that they were playing different versions of the game in different
countries.
One person to watch out for. From what I read in the Nation (a Lahore
daily)
Shoaib Akhtar (who plays for ADBP and Rawalpindi in Pakistan's domestic
cricket) is considered faster than Zahid and is regarded the fastest
bowler
in Pakistan! Shoaib though was not selected for the Pakistan A team for
the
SAARC tournament and given the presence of Wasim Akram, Waqar, Zahid,
Shahid Nazir, Aaqib Javed, Kabir Khan (both Aaqib and Kabir are in
the Pakistan A team), M. Akram, and Abdur Razzaq (the under-19 bowling
star who is also a pretty competent batsman), it's not certain when or
if
Shoaib will get a chance in international cricket.
Regards,
-Nauman
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"One of the proofs of the immortality of the soul is that myriads
have believed it - they also believed the world was flat."
- Mark Twain
Naeem10318
>From what I saw on TV during the Carlton & United Series, Zahid appeared
>to be the fastest of all the bowlers playing for any of the sides. Among
>the West Indian bowlers Patterson Thompson in one of the games was
>sending down some really fast ones (but lacked control). Ambrose was
>hampered by a hamstring problem and may have been saving himself for the
fast >and wasin superb form. Comparing the pace of Donald and Zahid is
difficult
>given that they were playing different versions of the game in different
Lahore
daily)
>Shoaib Akhtar (who plays for ADBP and Rawalpindi in Pakistan's domestic
>cricket) is considered faster than Zahid and is regarded the fastest
>bowlerin Pakistan! Shoaib though was not selected for the Pakistan A team
for
>the SAARC tournament and given the presence of Wasim Akram, Waqar, Zahid,
>Shahid Nazir, Aaqib Javed, Kabir Khan (both Aaqib and Kabir are in
>the Pakistan A team), M. Akram, and Abdur Razzaq (the under-19 bowling
>star who is also a pretty competent batsman), it's not certain when or
>if Shoaib will get a chance in international cricket.
>Regards,
>-Nauman
Thanks for the info Nauman !
Naeem10318
Tim said :
>I also saw Waqar here in 95, he looked as if he was past it, in one Test
>he got belted for over 100 off about 10 overs!!!!!!.
I was just looking this up , I cant believe this is true ! Even with
injury - I dont think he gets clouted that much ! Can you please tell me
where this match was played ( i know it was in aussie land , imean the
ground ) ? So I can see it with my own eyes and be stunned if its true (
it wont be a pleasing experience i assure you if it is true ! )
laters ! Naeem
Des Thomas
Naeem10318 wrote:
> Sorry paul but they are playing on different wickets - so a speed
> comparison is unfair . Especially as donlad spends time on nice green
> bouncy wickets wheras Waqar was playing on dead tracks . I saw Donald in
> England on their last tour - and he was not fast here . In fact in one
> match he got smacked for 90+ runs in only 12 overs in a test !!!! What I
> do know is that a healthy Waqar and beats a healthy Donald for pace
> everytime ! remeber 1993 - the speed test where Waqar , Donald and Ambrose
> were all competing in one place . . Waqar won !
Waqar bowls so fast he puts his back out every couple of overs!
Des.
Sid Boyce
another day, Donald would have come out on top. I don't regard Ambrose
as one of our fastest bowlers, no way has he been as quick as Walsh. Any
West Indian would surely agree with that. Ambrose was quicker than
Garner, but for speed over the last so many years, speedwise it has to
be in order, Holding, Marshall, Roberts/Walsh.
Regards
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Mark Wilson
> >
> >>The Speedstick radar device used during the SA-India test at the
> >>Wanderers showed Donald hitting 148 kph (92,5mph), Klusener and Srinath
> >>at 142 kph (88,75mph) and during the SA-Zim ODI, Heath Streak at around
> >>88mph.
> >>Any advance on 92,5mph?
> >
McGrath was timed at 145 kph on the Adelaide Oval Wicket, although his
stock deliveries are significantly slower. Gillespie is pretty quick
when his back doesn't snap in half.
Still no-one has approached Jeff Thomson who was timed at 160km/h, and
that was reputedly not on one of his quicker days.
Really, at these sort of speeds a couple of k's an hour is a very
marginal difference, not the "yards quicker" that we hear bandied about
by commentators.
For mine Mohammed Zahid is the quickest I've seen for a long time.
He bowls absolute crap at the moment though. Perhaps Pakistan have a 4
year old who's almost ready for Test cricket?
Cheers
Mark
acgpp123
In article <32FD4E39...@juts.ccc.amdahl.com>,>>...
>> > everytime ! remeber 1993 - the speed test where Waqar , Donald and
Ambrose
>> > were all competing in one place . . Waqar won !
>>
>> Waqar bowls so fast he puts his back out every couple of overs!
>>
>> Des.
> I don't think speed tests have any relevance. If you had done it
>another day, Donald would have come out on top. I don't regard Ambrose
>as one of our fastest bowlers, no way has he been as quick as Walsh. Any
>West Indian would surely agree with that. Ambrose was quicker than
>Garner, but for speed over the last so many years, speedwise it has to
>be in order, Holding, Marshall, Roberts/Walsh.
>Regards
I've seen Jeff Thompson, Mike Holding, Andy Roberts, Colin Croft, Joel
Garner, Malcolm Marshall, Ian Bishop, Sylvester Clarke, Curtley Ambrose,
etc. and the likes live, and most of the rest via television. In my best
judgement, considering the best part of their careers from 1975 onwards and
grouping those who are within reach of each other:
Speed:
=====
1. Thompson (AUS) & Holding (WI) (Thommo ahead with the occasional faster
ball but Holding ahead with sustainability/quality; note that Imran Khan
agrees in some of his reports) - 96 +/- 3 mph range ?
2. Marshall (WI) , Roberts (WI), & Younis (PAK) (Ian Bishop was reported
to be bowling consistently faster than Waqar Younis in the late 80's WI-PAK
series in the WI, but then his back gave in)
3. Clarke (WI), Croft (WI), Donald (SA), & Mc Dermott (AUS)
Walsh (WI), Ambrose (WI), Wasim Akram (PAK), Imran Khan (PAK), and then
Garner (WI), along with a bunch of others from other countries (e.g.,
recent Indian quickies ?), come in in the "87 +/- 3 and below" mph
category. (Walsh however can get up to quick speeds.)
Inconsistent performers include: Wayne Daniel (WI), Patrick Patterson (WI),
Len Pascoe (AUS), and that English guy of WI ancestry (?). There are
several young ones coming up: a couple from Pak, WI (far too inconsistent),
and ???
Pre-1975 noteworthies include: Lillee (AUS), Snow (ENG), etc.
Agression (Nastiness):
=====================
1. Clarke (WI), & Croft (WI)
2. Thommo (AUS), Roberts (WI), & Garner (WI)
3. Ambrose (WI), Walsh (WI), Younis (PAK), McDermott (AUS), & that
inconsistent English guy (with whom Lewis/Small sometimes opened the
attack)
Cheers.
Joel Little
: Speed:
: =====
:
: 1. Thompson (AUS) & Holding (WI) (Thommo ahead with the occasional faster
: ball but Holding ahead with sustainability/quality; note that Imran Khan
: agrees in some of his reports) - 96 +/- 3 mph range ?
:
: 2. Marshall (WI) , Roberts (WI), & Younis (PAK) (Ian Bishop was reported
: to be bowling consistently faster than Waqar Younis in the late 80's WI-PAK
: series in the WI, but then his back gave in)
:
: 3. Clarke (WI), Croft (WI), Donald (SA), & Mc Dermott (AUS)
:
:
: Walsh (WI), Ambrose (WI), Wasim Akram (PAK), Imran Khan (PAK), and then
: Garner (WI), along with a bunch of others from other countries (e.g.,
: recent Indian quickies ?), come in in the "87 +/- 3 and below" mph
: category. (Walsh however can get up to quick speeds.)
:
: Inconsistent performers include: Wayne Daniel (WI), Patrick Patterson (WI),
: Len Pascoe (AUS), and that English guy of WI ancestry (?). There are
: several young ones coming up: a couple from Pak, WI (far too inconsistent),
: and ???
:
: Pre-1975 noteworthies include: Lillee (AUS), Snow (ENG), etc.
:
:
: Agression (Nastiness):
: =====================
:
: 1. Clarke (WI), & Croft (WI)
:
: 2. Thommo (AUS), Roberts (WI), & Garner (WI)
:
: 3. Ambrose (WI), Walsh (WI), Younis (PAK), McDermott (AUS), & that
: inconsistent English guy (with whom Lewis/Small sometimes opened the
: attack)
McDermott as fast as Donald!!!!! I think not!!!
CYA
Arun Simha
Joel Little wrote:
>
> McDermott as fast as Donald!!!!! I think not!!!
>
> CYA
Allan Donald was timed at 145 kmph during the recent series. Srinath and
Klusener were timed at 140-142 kmph. 5-10 k's don't really doesn't
matter. Holding and Lillee took far more wickets with the shorter run
up. Hadlee, A.M. E> Roberts and Kapil were great wicket takers 'cos they
swung the ball intelligently.
Btw, one of the fastest Indian bowlers was a certain Dr. Pavri who once
sent a stump reeling back 15 yards. ( mentioned in Tony Greig, " Test
Match Cricket"). Mohd Nissar was probably not as fast as Srinath.
Arun
Naeem10318
Lara " waqar is faster than any of the west indian greats " in his
autobiography .
Crowe " Waqar is the best fast bowler he has ever seen " after 91 series
vs pak .
When Waqar is healthy - he will surely take his place at the top of the
speed table where he rightly belongs . If they did the test again within
one year and Waqar is back to full fitness - Waqar would win , hands down
!
Richard Lighton
In article <32FCF6...@management.canberra.edu.au>,
Mark Wilson <m...@management.canberra.edu.au> wrote:
> Tim Cotsford wrote:
> >
> > naeem...@aol.com (Naeem10318) wrote:
> > >rafay wrote:
>
> > >
> > >>The Speedstick radar device used during the SA-India test at the
> > >>Wanderers showed Donald hitting 148 kph (92,5mph), Klusener and Srinath
> > >>at 142 kph (88,75mph) and during the SA-Zim ODI, Heath Streak at around
> > >>88mph.
> > >>Any advance on 92,5mph?
> > >
>
> McGrath was timed at 145 kph on the Adelaide Oval Wicket, although his
> stock deliveries are significantly slower. Gillespie is pretty quick
> when his back doesn't snap in half.
>
> Still no-one has approached Jeff Thomson who was timed at 160km/h, and
> that was reputedly not on one of his quicker days.
>
> Really, at these sort of speeds a couple of k's an hour is a very
> marginal difference, not the "yards quicker" that we hear bandied about
> by commentators.
Well, "a yard quicker" is about 5% faster, so the figures quoted
from the SA-India test say that Donald was "a yard faster" than Klusener
or Srinath.
And Thomson's speed is indeed "yards" quicker than Klusener or Srinath.
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Tim Cotsford
>>he got belted for over 100 off about 10 overs!!!!!!.
>
>Then again Tim , wasnt that when Waqar was recovering from a serious
>injury ?
>The fastest I have ever seen Waqar bowl was in 1991 -92 before his stress
>fracture - on dead wickets he was getting the ball through batters even
>before they had the bat down ( ref : Waqar bowls Steve waugh in
>Australasia cup final - Incidentally this was the first time I saw Waqar
>really be recognised as a express pace bowler ) .
>
>Waqar bowl on the bouncy wickets rather than his usual dead wickets . I
>would also like to see Muhammed Zahid bowl . . I heard plenty about him
>too . Ambrose , the last tim e I saw used to be real quick - but as I
>havent seen him recently i can no longer say wether he is or not . Wasim
>is quick . . . .when he wants to be . I thought in the 92 world cup
>final he was not only the classiest bowler but the fastest - and certainly
>wasnt anything short of menacing . I have only seen McGrath bowl a few
>times but every time I seen him he seems to have had a off day - but i am
>told hes impressive too . Any comments ?
OK,
In terms of pure speed, the fastest bowler I've seen of late has been
Donald when he was last here (tho' he didn't have a particularly
outstanding tour), Zahid looked quick just recently (but I'd like to see
him go in Tests rather than in ODI's before I have a firm opinion),
Malcolm also looked quick a few years ago (but erratic), as did a few of
the WIndies this time around (Bishop & a few of the youngsters-again,
quick but lacking variation & accuracy). I haven't seen Waqar bowl too
well over here, in fact I'd go as far as to say that the public in
Australia haven't seen the best of him, and he wasn't red hot quick last
time he was here (ignoring the recent ODI's), tho' he was, as you say,
recovering from injury. I did see him in England 5 years ago (was it
really that long ago?), and he was as quick and as deadly as anyone.
Hopefully he is recovering this form. McGrath is genuinely quick, but not
the quickest around, he does have a variety of deliveries that make him a
more than useful bowler. I do think that Donald & Waqar are both very
quick, I just took exception to your assertion that because Donald got
clubbed around a few times, he was not quick-the two are not related,
every bowler takes a pasting now and again.
However, to my mind, the best two bowlers around are not the quickest,
that is Akram and Curtly. Curtly isn't as quick as he used to be (tho'
not a slow coach-and for god's sake don't get him riled!), but he has
great experience, variety, economy and that uncanny ability to put down
the unplayable delivery on the most docile of pitches. Akram is a real
tactician & thinker and also brings out the most unexpected
deliveries.Again, not the quickest but no slouch.
Anyway, if you want my opinion on the quickest around, I couldn't
seperate Donald & Waqar and this Zahid is a real prospect, I'd just like
to see him a bit more than in 2 or 3 ODI's.
Cheers
Tim
Graeme Vincent
> Allan Donald was timed at 145 kmph during the recent series. Srinath and
> Klusener were timed at 140-142 kmph. 5-10 k's don't really doesn't
Actually, Klusener bowled the fastest timed delivery of the series -
148km/h. I think, though, that Donald is consistently faster than him -
excluding all the slower deliveries, that is ;-)
Would that make Klusener the fastest in the world? Hmmm ...
- Graeme Vincent
Sid Boyce
batsman be surprised by the express delivery, he must be kept aware at
all times that he's facing some quick stuff, 3 balls an over that he
doesn't quite middle or play where intended reminds him he isn't set at
any time.
I saw Donald bowling at Worcester once, Tom Moody mad 220 out of 330
odd that day and you've never seen a streakier double hundred or even 50
for that matter. Andy Lloyd had 3 fielders at third man and they
couldn't cut off the nicks, they went like bullets between fielders.
Another day and Alan Donald would have walked off with 6 for 20 instead
of 2 for lots of runs, class fast bowling I watched.
Regards
Naeem44054
>MHO Donald is now the fastest in the world. He used to be the fastest
>white bowler in the world but since the demise of the Windies attack I
>think he is now the fastest.
You think wrongly . . . the west indians havent had the fastest bowler in
the world for ages !!! ( since 80's ) Early 90's Waqar rules - and when
hes back from injury he will again be faster than Donald . Zahid is also
quicker than Donald . maybe when PAK and Sa meet in Jan '98 we will see
how quick each bowler is - they will all be their in one place , on the
same ground .
Cobus Venter
During the SA-India final Klusener was measured at 154km/h. The fastest ball
bowled in the tournament. Mind you it was "nicked" for a big six out of the
ground.
Cobus Venter
South Africa
dac6
DEVON MALCOLM IS THE FASTEST BOWLER IN THE WORLD (HE MAY NOT BE THE MOST
SKILFULL, BUT HE'S THE QUICKEST).
ON AVERAGE, WASIM BOWLS 80-85 M.P.H, DONALD AND WAQAR AT 90, AND MALCOLM AT
ABOUT 93 M.P.H. (UNTIL HE RETIRED PATTERSON [WEST INDIAN] WAS FASTEST).
In article <32FAAB...@okstate.edu>, meh...@okstate.edu says...
>
>Naeem10318 wrote:
>>
>> rafay wrote:
>> >
>> > > self . I think that Muhammed Akram looked the quickest of the paki
>> bowlers
>> > > . Waqar was not consistently bowling at 85 mph + , indeed I think he
>> was
>> > > usually around the 80 mark ( up/belowa few mph) . Of course he wsnt
>> helped
>> > well i watched mohd. zahid in australia and he was bowling fast ...
>> >
>>
>> >The Speedstick radar device used during the SA-India test at the
>> >Wanderers showed Donald hitting 148 kph (92,5mph), Klusener and Srinath
>> >at 142 kph (88,75mph) and during the SA-Zim ODI, Heath Streak at around
>> >88mph.
>> >Any advance on 92,5mph?
>>
>> >Paul.
>>
>> Sorry paul but they are playing on different wickets - so a speed
>> comparison is unfair . Especially as donlad spends time on nice green
>> bouncy wickets wheras Waqar was playing on dead tracks . I saw Donald in
>> England on their last tour - and he was not fast here . In fact in one
>> match he got smacked for 90+ runs in only 12 overs in a test !!!! What I
>> do know is that a healthy Waqar and beats a healthy Donald for pace
>> everytime ! remeber 1993 - the speed test where Waqar , Donald and Ambrose
>> were all competing in one place . . Waqar won !
>
>
Thomas Stockwell
Hick, when he's driving from New Road to home to get there in time for
supper. He's a hen pecked chappie.
Can you shout at me please.
N.M.U. RAJA
I've seen most of the fast bowlers mentioned playing at the Oval and
have to say that the quickest spell i have ever seen was in 1993 - Devon
Malcolm V Australian. I know that most times he has trouble landing it
on the wicket but that day he gave Michael Slater a right going over,
hands, ribs, chest, arms and one on the grill! But obviously that day it
clicked for him.
The next fastest that I have seen is Waqar. I also think he is the best
bowler in the world. If any one had to pick a four man bowling attack
what would it be?
Here is mine.
Waqar, Akram, Walsh, Warne
RajaGopal K.M.
( I rate Donald as the Best Pacer currently. Has Pace, Control and variation.)
Mark Wilson
RajaGopal K.M. wrote:
>
. If any one had to pick a four man bowling attack
> > what would it be?
> >
> > Here is mine.
> >
> > Waqar, Akram, Walsh, Warne
>
> Donald, Ambrose, Akram and Warne.
McGrath has easily the best record over the last 18months, and he hasn't
exactly been getting the wickets against Zimbabwe, England or NZ(no
offence intended). Still....I probably agree with you.
Cheers
MArk Wilson
James McLaughlin
Mark Wilson <m...@management.canberra.edu.au> wrote:
>Cheers
>MArk Wilson
I would like to make a suggestion. If you are discussing one day
bowling, or considering one day bowling, why not include Gavin Larsen?
An important fact is that last year ('96) he was the second most
economical bowler in the world in one dayers. (first was Ambrose). I
think people forget him because he is a quiet, non-exciting bowler,
and he doesn't take as many wickets as the ones above, but he is a
brilliant restrictive bowler, and can frustrate batsmen into playing
risky shots. Because he is slower he can bowl for longer spells, as
well. It may be a generally scorned suggestion, but I would pick:
Mustaq, Ambrose, Akram, Larsen.
2 excellent pace bowlers,
1 superb spinner,
and 1 containing, frustrating bowler. - Cool!
I think for all forms of cricket, this attack/defence would be better.
And yes, I am a NZer desperate to see a Kiwi in the global teams.
James McLaughlin
Robj
James McLaughlin <misc...@csc.canterbury.ac.nz> wrote in article
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I would consider my best bowling attack to be: Akram, Ambrose, McGrath and
Donald. If I had to choose a spinner it would be Mushie
Robertj
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Tansen Varghese
In article <01bc2488$4e8dcf80$713418cb@pentium166>,
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>> >RajaGopal K.M. wrote:
>> >>
>> >. If any one had to pick a four man bowling attack
>> >> > what would it be?
Assuming you want everybody at their absolute stunning bests,
I'd go for Ambrose, Younis, Akram and Warne, on any pitch, for
both Tests and one-dayers. I guess the only objection would
be Younis for one-dayers, but in situations where you want
quick wickets, and you have a dead pitch, he can just come
in and start bowling inswinging yorkers at high pace, and pretty
soon you'll have a nice middle order collapse. I wouldn't give
him the new ball though, he should be second change, maybe five
overs starting from the tenth, and then five overs starting from
the thirtieth, or fortieth.
Tanny