Worlds Most Stylish Batsman
Joel Little
G'Day all,
I just though I'd start a discussion on who is the Worlds Most Stylish
Batsman. In my opinion, Mark Waugh takes the cake.
Anybody else have an opinion????
CYAll
Chetan Ahuja
One word........ AZHAR.
Chetan
N.P.A.S. Johnson
In article <5edrfk$4b8$1...@nargun.cc.uq.edu.au>,
Joel Little <cs33...@student.uq.edu.au> wrote:
>G'Day all,
>
>I just though I'd start a discussion on who is the Worlds Most Stylish
>Batsman. In my opinion, Mark Waugh takes the cake.
>
>Anybody else have an opinion????
>
>CYAll
Not a bad nomination.
However, I think my vote would go to Michael Bevan.
Some of his NSW performances have been breathtaking.
Unfortunately his best International batting has been when out of
Australia, notably in Pakistan, or in ODIs, so the Australian media and
public don't appreciate his ability and style. His performances for
Yorkshire, I have gathered, have also been impressive.
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niall johnson
P.J.E. Kail
I would say that John Crawley has to be a serious contender. Anyone who
saw his first innings in last year's Test against Pakistan at the Oval
should have noticed the consumate timing and glorious straight bat
offered against both pace and spin. The three off-drives in one over
against Mushtaq were, to coin a phrase, poetry in motion, together with a
straight drive off Wasim which looked like something out of a textbook.
Peter Kail
Shahid Pervaiz
Surely...Zaheer Abass would top the list of stylish batsman.
Mumtaz Khan
Shahid Pervaiz wrote:
>
> Surely...Zaheer Abass would top the list of stylish batsman.
I would second this. His high backlift of the bat, then
bending his knees to come completley on the ball and in
the end at the time of hitting the ball changing the face
of the bat with the twist of wrist leaving the fielder
just to wonder what had happened. You open the books and
read the comments of Tony Greg, Derek Underwood, Ian Chappel,
Richie Bannaud, Gavaskar, Vishwanath, Bedi and many more,
you will find his touch of class. It was sad during those
days Pakistan never used to play many matches in a year as
compare to what they are playing now. His 274 at Edgbaston,
93 in the world cup against mighty (at that time) West Indies,
240 against India and many more advocates my point. I was
reading a posting from somebody about the all time 10 best
Pakistani batsmen, Zaheer was second and the reasons were,
style, style and style. Nothing more to say
rkri...@informix.com
There is lot to say.
Zaheer was no doubt a very very stylish batsman , but he had tons of
problem against fast bowling ( particularly short pitched ones). On a
fast bouncy track he was in all sorts of trouble. Why don't you read
comments from Imran about ZA. Do you know that in Packer cricket circus
ZA performed miserably against some of the best fast bowlers of all time.
He has stupendous record in Pakistan. Outside Pak he has two double
centuries in Eng where on dead slow tracks like Oval he scores well.
Anyhow he is good in English conditions. See his record in different
countries and you will know what I am talking about.
I however agree that his batting was treat to watch. Very much like Azhar
and by a curious coincidence Azhar also has tons of problem against short
pitched balls.
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Even I agree with that. Definately Zaheer was so fluent he made batting
look like drinking a cup of tea. Also one of the other batsmen I rate to
be david gower. He was also very fluent.
Pandu
Sajjad Zain
How about Saeed Anwar?
Shahid Pervaiz <bz...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in article
<5eessh$e...@freenet-news.carleton.ca>...
ram...@smartt.com
bz...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Shahid Pervaiz) wrote:
>
>Surely...Zaheer Abass would top the list of stylish batsman.
It is interesting that so many have chosen Abass and a few others have mentioned
Azhar. I have heard that Abass was Azhar's mentor, and Azhar has tried to copy
Abass's style. Their techniques are quite similar, and Azhar has had a very good
mentor
Shamman
Henry and Emily Barber
>G'Day all,
>
>I just though I'd start a discussion on who is the Worlds Most Stylish
>Batsman. In my opinion, Mark Waugh takes the cake.
>
>Anybody else have an opinion????
>
>CYAll
If you think you can, you can.
If you think you can't, you're right too.
Henry and Em Barber
Kiwis, lost in London.
Roy Kaplan
Azhar, Hick, and Cullinan
Roy
Tim Fountain
Joel Little <cs33...@student.uq.edu.au> wrote in article
<5edrfk$4b8$1...@nargun.cc.uq.edu.au>...
> G'Day all,
>
> I just though I'd start a discussion on who is the Worlds Most Stylish
> Batsman. In my opinion, Mark Waugh takes the cake.
>
> Anybody else have an opinion????
>
> CYAll
>
I'd have to agree, but then again I've been a big fan of Junior since I
first saw him in about 1985 or 86 for NSW.
David Gower and Greg Chappell probably get the nod of those I have seen,
and more importantly have seen enough to remember.
su...@curly.raleigh.ibm.com
G R Vishwanath has to be one of the tops.
Kenny Green
In article <5eefno$a...@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk>, npa...@cus.cam.ac.uk says...
>
>In article <5edrfk$4b8$1...@nargun.cc.uq.edu.au>,
>Joel Little <cs33...@student.uq.edu.au> wrote:
>>G'Day all,
>>
>>I just though I'd start a discussion on who is the Worlds Most Stylish
>>Batsman. In my opinion, Mark Waugh takes the cake.
>>
>>Anybody else have an opinion????
>>
>>CYAll
>
>However, I think my vote would go to Michael Bevan.
Malcolm Knox once wrote that if batting were a beauty contest then Carl Hooper
would be Miss World. Unfortunately, it isnt and he does still bat like a Miss
world at times, but I hold that no other batsman (Mark Waugh is similar in
style somewhat, and Azhar is comparable), can look as good as Hoops when he
remembers what the guyanese exchange rate is, and the cost of losing his WI
test place.
I saw glimpses of Lawrence Rowe and I can safely say that he is the greatest
modern WI bat I have seen style wise....and thats just from ten minutes of
watching him. Damn....why is it geniuses are so flaky.
Kenny
ADZ
I have three batsman who I feel are very stylish when in full
flow:
1.Thorpe
2.Hick
3.Richie Richardson (He retired too early)
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ADZ
Ravi Krishna
Tim Fountain (tfou...@vision.net.au) wrote:
: David Gower and Greg Chappell probably get the nod of those I have seen,
: and more importantly have seen enough to remember.
Yes. Both Gower and G Chappell were very stylish. Another one is
Martin Crowe.
Dipak Basu
Among today's batsmen, Saurav Ganguly is my choice. Azhar was very
stylish until he became a slogger.
For all time: Victor Trumper (from videos), Gary Sobers and Zaheer Abbas
(real life).
Dipak.
> Joel Little <cs33...@student.uq.edu.au> wrote in article
> <5edrfk$4b8$1...@nargun.cc.uq.edu.au>...
Raju Dixit
>
> David Gower and Greg Chappell probably get the nod of those I have seen,
> and more importantly have seen enough to remember.
From the players I have seen playing I feel David Gower was the most
stylish batsman.
But have heard that Rohan Kanhai was also very stylish If Anybody who
has watched his innings tells us more about this it will be Great.
raju
Sid Boyce
Barry Richards, Mohinder Armanath, Carl Hooper (when he gets going),
Rohan Kanhai ....
The one thing that infuriated was when David Gower leaned gracefully on
a ball and it whistled off to the boundary, commenatators would marvel
at how effortless the shot was and when he played the same shot and got
out, that changed to what a lazy shot, still the man was grace
personified, if I had to choose 3, it would be Worrell, Gower and
Zaheer, current players, give me Aravinda any day. John Crawley
.....hmmmm...he didn't look too good when Wasim cramped him up with
balls banged in just short of a length, otherwise he looked the genuine
article.
Regards
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the opinions or policies of Amdahl Corporation.
RajaGopal K.M.
Mumtaz Khan wrote:
>
> Shahid Pervaiz wrote:
> >
> > Surely...Zaheer Abass would top the list of stylish batsman.
>
> bending his knees to come completley on the ball and in
> the end at the time of hitting the ball changing the face
> of the bat with the twist of wrist leaving the fielder
> just to wonder what had happened. You open the books and
> read the comments of Tony Greg, Derek Underwood, Ian Chappel,
> Richie Bannaud, Gavaskar, Vishwanath, Bedi and many more,
> you will find his touch of class. It was sad during those
> days Pakistan never used to play many matches in a year as
> compare to what they are playing now. His 274 at Edgbaston,
> 93 in the world cup against mighty (at that time) West Indies,
> 240 against India and many more advocates my point. I was
> reading a posting from somebody about the all time 10 best
> Pakistani batsmen, Zaheer was second and the reasons were,
> style, style and style. Nothing more to say
CRAP!! All the style of Zaheer Abbas was against "weak bowlers" or
on "flat PItches". It is a well-known fact that Zaheer's strength
was in taking full toll of weak Bowling attacks, unlike many
other excellent batsman who could never get the concentration against
weaker attacks. I accept Zaheer was Stylish, but it had no Substance!
Raj
Venkatraman Kalyanapasupathy
Ravi Krishna (rkri...@informix.com) wrote:
: Tim Fountain (tfou...@vision.net.au) wrote:
: : David Gower and Greg Chappell probably get the nod of those I have seen,
: : and more importantly have seen enough to remember.
: Yes. Both Gower and G Chappell were very stylish. Another one is
: Martin Crowe.
Kim Hughes and David Gower were supposed to be the most stylish batsmen
during their time. Left handers have this natural elegance.
Shaun
10061...@compuserve.com (Kenny Green) wrote:
>In article <5eefno$a...@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk>, npa...@cus.cam.ac.uk says...
>>
>>In article <5edrfk$4b8$1...@nargun.cc.uq.edu.au>,
>>Joel Little <cs33...@student.uq.edu.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>I just though I'd start a discussion on who is the Worlds Most Stylish
>>>Batsman. In my opinion, Mark Waugh takes the cake.
>>>
>>>
>>>CYAll
>>
>>Not a bad nomination.
>>However, I think my vote would go to Michael Bevan.
>
>Malcolm Knox once wrote that if batting were a beauty contest then Carl Hooper
>would be Miss World. Unfortunately, it isnt and he does still bat like a Miss
>world at times, but I hold that no other batsman (Mark Waugh is similar in
>style somewhat, and Azhar is comparable), can look as good as Hoops when he
>remembers what the guyanese exchange rate is, and the cost of losing his WI
>test place.
>
>I saw glimpses of Lawrence Rowe and I can safely say that he is the greatest
>modern WI bat I have seen style wise....and thats just from ten minutes of
>watching him. Damn....why is it geniuses are so flaky.
>
>
>Kenny
>
My thinking is a bit similar.
Style wise Mark Waugh & Carl Hooper stand out.
I also remember seeing a little of Lawrence Rowe and he certainly was
stylish.
Martin Crowe was the most stylish NZ player i've seen and simialr to Mark
Waugh.
For the Poms it had to be David Gower and for South Africa i'd say
Graham Pollock or Barry Richards.
Kepler Wessels, Jimmy Adams and Adrian Griffith probably have had the
ugliest styles i've ever seen. Same with Bruce Yardley and the comical
Courtney Walsh.
A.M.Narayanan
Dipak Basu (db...@cisco.com) wrote:
: Among today's batsmen, Saurav Ganguly is my choice. Azhar was very
: stylish until he became a slogger.
I'd say Dravid is more stylish than Ganguly
esp. his pull shots. Ganguly is a good timer of the ball. Plays offside
well. Only shot on the leg side is pull shot. But glorious drives on the
offside. I don't enjoy Azhar's innings now a days. He has become a slogger.
But he is playing pacemen better.
Narayanan
Mumtaz Khan
RajaGopal K.M. wrote:
>
> Mumtaz Khan wrote:
> >
> CRAP!! All the style of Zaheer Abbas was against "weak bowlers" or
> on "flat PItches". It is a well-known fact that Zaheer's strength
> was in taking full toll of weak Bowling attacks, unlike many
> other excellent batsman who could never get the concentration against
> weaker attacks. I accept Zaheer was Stylish, but it had no Substance!
>
> Raj
Wow!!! When and who catagorized Croft, Clark, Garner,
Holding, Marshal, Willis, Lillie, Massie, Bedi, Prasana,
Chandrashaker, Kapil Dev (and the list goes on) as the
"WEAK BOWLERS", by the way these are the ones whom Zaheer
faced and scored runs.......any doubts.
Krishnan
Some thots on this issue,
Just thot i'd go down memory lane and select players whom i had watched batting
who had real style . well here goes,
India: G. R. Vishwanath , Azharuddin, Gavaskar (yes sunny.. some of his shots were so classy)
Pakistan: Zaheer, Mohsin Khan
England: Gower is the man undoubtedly.:)
THorpe's pretty stylish too.
Australia: Kim Hughes, Mark Waugh
West Indies: CArl Hooper all the way.:) In fact he would be in my all time stylish 11
along with Gower.
Sri Lanka: Roy "styleman" Dias. Guys used to drool over his batting.:)
New Zealand: Martin Crowe, (Haven't seen Glenn Turner bat.. heard he was pretty stylish)
Zimbabwe: havent' seen too many o fthem bat to comment upon.
SOuth Africa: THey say Graeme Pollock. i haven;t seen him..:) so have to nominate
Cullinan
cheers
Ak
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Hmmm... I have nothing profound to add here like so many of my comrades seem to have.:-)
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rkri...@informix.com
Mumtaz Khan <jo...@bnr.ca> wrote:
> Wow!!! When and who catagorized Croft, Clark, Garner,
> Holding, Marshal, Willis, Lillie, Massie, Bedi, Prasana,
> Chandrashaker, Kapil Dev (and the list goes on) as the
> "WEAK BOWLERS", by the way these are the ones whom Zaheer
> faced and scored runs.......any doubts.
Mr Khan , first take a crash course in cricket. Here is Zaheer's
batting record. No doubt he played very well against WI ( Croft,Clark,
Garner,Holding,Marshall) with an avg of 18 against W.I. (he he he )
Also look for his performance outside Pakistan. True he scored lot of
runs against Kapil in Pakistan , Kapil also got him out in India
cheaply.He never scored a century in India.
Don't make a fool of yourself w/out knowing anything about Zaheer.
PS: I am talking about test cricket and not ODI.
M I NO R Avg 50 100 HS Ct St
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Australia 20 34 2 1411 44.09 12 2 126 14 0
England 14 24 3 1086 51.71 4 2 274 5 0
India 19 25 5 1740 87.00 3 6 235* 6 0
New Zealand 14 24 0 428 17.83 0 1 135 4 0
Sri Lanka 3 2 0 138 69.00 0 1 134 0 0
West Indies 8 15 1 259 18.50 1 0 80 5 0
Home 36 51 9 2444 58.19 5 8 235* 11 0
Away 42 73 2 2618 36.87 15 4 274 23 0
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
TOTAL 78 124 11 5062 44.79 20 12 274 34 0
Sankara
Kim Hughes was a right hander.
Sankara
Rick Eyre
Dipak Basu <db...@cisco.com> wrote in article <330D0C...@cisco.com>...
> Among today's batsmen, Saurav Ganguly is my choice. Azhar was very
> stylish until he became a slogger.
>
> (real life).
You must be a pretty acute judge then, because there are only two or three
shots on film of Trumper batting that still exist :-)
But I'd go for Trumper on the basis of the opinions of writers of his time.
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Sid Boyce
Ravi Krishna wrote:
>
> Tim Fountain (tfou...@vision.net.au) wrote:
> : David Gower and Greg Chappell probably get the nod of those I have seen,
> : and more importantly have seen enough to remember.
>
> Yes. Both Gower and G Chappell were very stylish. Another one is
> Martin Crowe.
time I mention a name, a few more come to mind.
Venkatraman Kalyanapasupathy
Sankara (sank...@vm.cc.purdu.edu) wrote:
: Venkatraman Kalyanapasupathy wrote:
: >
: > : Tim Fountain (tfou...@vision.net.au) wrote:
: > : : David Gower and Greg Chappell probably get the nod of those I have seen,
: > : : and more importantly have seen enough to remember.
: >
: > : Yes. Both Gower and G Chappell were very stylish. Another one is
: > : Martin Crowe.
: > Kim Hughes and David Gower were supposed to be the most stylish batsmen
: > during their time. Left handers have this natural elegance.
: Kim Hughes was a right hander.
: Sankara
I should have been more clear. What I was trying to say was these two were
supposed to be the best and since in general left handers are naturally
more elegant I would pitch for Hughes.
Krishnan
In article 6A17...@juts.ccc.amdahl.com, Sid Boyce <sz...@juts.ccc.amdahl.com> () writes:
>pan.dh...@teldta.com wrote:
>>
>> Even I agree with that. Definately Zaheer was so fluent he made batting
>> look like drinking a cup of tea. Also one of the other batsmen I rate to
>> be david gower. He was also very fluent.
>>
>> Pandu
> All agreed here, some more that delighted, Frank Worrell, Cammie Smith,
>Barry Richards, Mohinder Armanath, Carl Hooper (when he gets going),
>Rohan Kanhai ....
> The one thing that infuriated was when David Gower leaned gracefully on
>a ball and it whistled off to the boundary, commenatators would marvel
>at how effortless the shot was and when he played the same shot and got
>out, that changed to what a lazy shot, still the man was grace
>personified, if I had to choose 3, it would be Worrell, Gower and
>Zaheer, current players, give me Aravinda any day. John Crawley
>balls banged in just short of a length, otherwise he looked the genuine
>article.
>Regards
>--
> -----------------------------------
>Any opinions expressed above are mine and do not necessarily represent
> the opinions or policies of Amdahl Corporation.
>
Aravinda is more power than grace IMHO> IF you want a Srilanka.. look no further than Roy Dias.:)
ak
Kurt Toolsie
In article 29...@aol.com, Raju Dixit <raju...@aol.com> writes:
>>
>> David Gower and Greg Chappell probably get the nod of those I have seen,
>> and more importantly have seen enough to remember.
>
>stylish batsman.
>
>But have heard that Rohan Kanhai was also very stylish If Anybody who
>has watched his innings tells us more about this it will be Great.
>
>raju
Raju,
I only saw Kanhai towards the end of his career, but he gave the ball
a fearsome whack. I would say that his style had more in common with
Clive lloyd or viv Richards, than the more stylish Gower and G. Chappell.
Kurt
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Ansari Mohsin
: I just though I'd start a discussion on who is the Worlds Most Stylish
: Batsman. In my opinion, Mark Waugh takes the cake.
: Anybody else have an opinion????
: CYAll
In terms of style alone, no one compares with the Master Blaster Viv
Richards. His style was pure elegance, nothing short of regal. The man
simply did not have a forced shot in his book. Even while blazing away
through a rapidfire innings, Richards appeared so calm, so casual, not
even as much as breaking a sweat. Hammerring towering sixes with
effortless ease, off the fastest bowlers in the world, he would go about
as if it was just a walk in the park. Speaking of walks in the park, who
could forget his running between the wickets, or should I say, strolling
between the wickets. If there was ever a correct use of the word 'cool' it
would be to describe Viv Richards batting.
Mohsin Ansari
UserAshish
My vote goes for the finest, all time great English batsman :
D A V I D G O W E R
- Ashish
j sreedhar
man...@orion.it.luc.edu (Ansari Mohsin) writes:
>: CYAll
>Mohsin Ansari
Yeah, sure, but don't forget that he was quite ill at ease
against quality spin bowling. Esp. against one B. S. Chandrasekhar,
who referred to him as "my bunny". :-)
Sreedhar
Syed M. Ali
In article <330D4F...@india.hp.com>, "RajaGopal K.M." <k...@india.hp.com> writes:
]>
]> CRAP!! All the style of Zaheer Abbas was against "weak bowlers" or
]> on "flat PItches". It is a well-known fact that Zaheer's strength
]> was in taking full toll of weak Bowling attacks, unlike many
]> other excellent batsman who could never get the concentration against
]> weaker attacks. I accept Zaheer was Stylish, but it had no Substance!
]>
]> Raj
Raj (and anybody else for that matter), in order for us to accept the
"well-known fact" you allude to above you'll need to explain at least
two things:
1) If as you say Zaheer's strength was "in taking full toll of weak
Bowling attacks", how do you explain his pathetic performance
against one of the weakest attacks of his time, New Zealand?
2) You'll need to prove that the England bowling attack of the
seventies and early eighties was "weak", and the English pitches of
the same time were "flat".
Cheers,
Syed
--
I speak Latin to God, Spanish to men,
French to women and German to my horse
- Holy Roman Emperor Charles V, 1337 - 1380
Syed M. Ali
In article <8565625...@dejanews.com>, rkri...@informix.com writes:
]>
]> Mr Khan , first take a crash course in cricket. Here is Zaheer's
]> batting record. No doubt he played very well against WI ( Croft,Clark,
]> Garner,Holding,Marshall) with an avg of 18 against W.I. (he he he )
I'm afraid Ravi, by your logic we shall have to assume that NZ
possessed an equally terrifying attack in the seventies. Surely,
that's why Zaheer's average is even worse against the Kiwis :-)
Cheers,
Syed [who thinks it was not really Zaheer's fault, if he was one of
the best players of spin there ever was] Ali
PS: If Salim Malik can sort out spinners like Mushtaq and Warne,
imagine what Zaheer could have done to him :-)
]> M I NO R Avg 50 100 HS Ct St
]> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
]> New Zealand 14 24 0 428 17.83 0 1 135 4 0
]> West Indies 8 15 1 259 18.50 1 0 80 5 0
]>
Kurt Toolsie
In article 23A6...@juts.ccc.amdahl.com, Sid Boyce <sz...@juts.ccc.amdahl.com> writes:
> Mark Waugh, Nathan Astle ...... and a list too long to repeat, every
>time I mention a name, a few more come to mind.
>Regards
>--
You know the funny thing about MWaugh is that he seems so totally
in control. he never hurries a shot... until he faces a bouncer.
Then he has the most terrible technique. I'd go as far as saying
that if it were not for helmets MWaugh's international career
would have been over long ago. Of course, if it were not for helmets,
he may well have sorted his technique out long ago.
Kurt
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Ravi Krishna
Syed M. Ali (s...@dcs.ed.ac.uk) wrote:
: I'm afraid Ravi, by your logic we shall have to assume that NZ
: possessed an equally terrifying attack in the seventies. Surely,
: that's why Zaheer's average is even worse against the Kiwis :-)
When a player fails against a weak attack not many hold it against him. Only
when he fails against a top class attack does it become amusing. A case in
point is that Gary Sobers ( considered by many as the greatest WI batsman)
has av avg of 26 against NZ and that too at a time when NZ bowling consisted
of a bunch of pea-shooters. No one even gives it a second thought.
However if Sobers had failed against Aus , let me see how he would have been
rated so high.
Ravi Krishna
: seventies and early eighties was "weak", and the English pitches of
: the same time were "flat".
Zaheer was very good in English conditions thanks to his experience in
county cricket.
By the way inspite of playing county cricket for so long , Javed Miandad's
record in England is pretty avg.
Exactly a similar example is Vengsarkar has a much better performance in
England than Gavaskar.
Joel Little
j sreedhar (j-s...@students.uiuc.edu) wrote:
: man...@orion.it.luc.edu (Ansari Mohsin) writes:
:
: >In terms of style alone, no one compares with the Master Blaster Viv
: >Richards. His style was pure elegance, nothing short of regal. The man
: >simply did not have a forced shot in his book. Even while blazing away
: >through a rapidfire innings, Richards appeared so calm, so casual, not
: >even as much as breaking a sweat. Hammerring towering sixes with
: >effortless ease, off the fastest bowlers in the world, he would go about
: >as if it was just a walk in the park. Speaking of walks in the park, who
: >could forget his running between the wickets, or should I say, strolling
: >between the wickets. If there was ever a correct use of the word 'cool' it
: >would be to describe Viv Richards batting.
:
: >Mohsin Ansari
:
:
: Yeah, sure, but don't forget that he was quite ill at ease
: against quality spin bowling. Esp. against one B. S. Chandrasekhar,
: who referred to him as "my bunny". :-)
Every batsman in the history of the game has been someone's bunny. There
is always a bowler who just knows how to get you out, whether you are
Bradman or whoever.
CYA
Joel.
Mumtaz Khan
rkri...@informix.com wrote:
>
> Mumtaz Khan <jo...@bnr.ca> wrote:
>
> > Wow!!! When and who catagorized Croft, Clark, Garner,
> > Holding, Marshal, Willis, Lillie, Massie, Bedi, Prasana,
> > Chandrashaker, Kapil Dev (and the list goes on) as the
> > "WEAK BOWLERS", by the way these are the ones whom Zaheer
> > faced and scored runs.......any doubts.
>
> batting record. No doubt he played very well against WI ( Croft,Clark,
> Garner,Holding,Marshall) with an avg of 18 against W.I. (he he he )
>
> runs against Kapil in Pakistan , Kapil also got him out in India
> cheaply.He never scored a century in India.
>
> Don't make a fool of yourself w/out knowing anything about Zaheer.
>
> http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet
I think we all missed the point here, the discussion started as to
who is the most STYLISH batsman, and not the most run getter, not
the greatest player, not the best player on any sort of bowling and
not as to who is the good ODI/TEST player. Certainly Zaheer falls in
the category of one of the best STYLISH players... period.....
Dipak Basu
Anyone who has watched Gary Sobers in action (I'm one of the fortunate)
has to look no further for the world's most stylish batsman. He
augmented the left-hander's natural elegance with textbook correctness
and dazzling footwork. He played the ball later than anyone else and
with his high backlift, supple wrists and footwork could place the ball
anywhere he wanted on all side of the wicket. As to his power, ask Colin
McDonald. In the Brisbane tied test, he hit one straight along the
ground to McDonald at deep extra cover. McDonald got both hands to it,
then was left frantically wringing them and hopping about in pain as the
ball flashed to the boundary. For more on Sobers' and Kanhai's batting
styles read Fingleton's "Greatest Test of All"
Rakesh Vidyadharan
Well we have so far had Zaheer, Azhar, Richards, Mark Waugh, Gower etc;
but I find it more than passing strange that no one thought fit to
include "King Carl". If ever a batsman looks totally at ease no matter
under what conditions he is batting in (and no matter if he is scoring a
duck or a century), Hooper takes the cake. He is nonchalance and grace
personified.
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Kaleeswaran
Not only that. I wonder how people can use their opinion as that of a cricketer. As far
as I know (Iam an ardent fan of Chandra) , Chandra never referred to Viv as his bunny.
Viv rates Chandra as the bowler who troubled him most, but the master that he was, he
still made runs. Viv faced Chandra only in two series' one in India in 1974 and next in
1975-1976. Contrary to stories spreading around, Chandra didn't get Viv on all
occassions. In 1974 in Bangalore Viv fell to Chandra in both essays, in Delhi he was not
out with 192 in the only innings windies played, in Calcutta he fell to Madanlal,
in Madras to Prasanna in both innings. My memory fails me in Bombay and the 4 tests in
Windies in 1975-1976. Sure he couldn't have been Chandra's bunny, but he would have been
bothered totally. With Chandra being one of the most modest blokes around , I very much
doubt if such a comment came from him.
kaleeswaran
Krishnan
One of the best books that i read about Sir Gary Sobers was his biography written by
Trevor Bailey. I think Sunil Gavaskar in his "Sunny Days" (or it could have been "Idols":-)) commented upon the fact that SObers had so much time to play his strokes. It seems in the 71 series, Bedi flighted one to Sobers who came on to the front foot. He suddenly found that the flight had deceived him. That ball ( according to sunny ) would have got most batsmen out. Sobers however, rocked back onto his back foot and square drove it for four at the last instant.
cheers
ak
fli
Pradeep Subramaniam
I second this. Unlike Viv Richards, David played almost all the
shots in the book. Sometimes Viv looked rash, but not Gower. He
plays calculated shots although he does get out to the outswinger,
giving the catch to the third slip. (Windies had him do that a
number of times and then Allan Border capitalised on the same
during the 89 series). But my vote goes to Gower nonetheless.
Pradeep.
In article <19970225005...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
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Syed Ahmad
In article <5ev1if$r...@news.informix.com>,
Ravi Krishna <rkri...@informix.com> wrote:
>By the way inspite of playing county cricket for so long , Javed Miandad's
>record in England is pretty avg.
Hmm....
Average of 60.67 in 92
Average of 72 in 87
Average of 35.6 in 82.
He really was a mediocre performer at best.
/Ahmad
N.M.U. RAJA
I can't remeber most of the players mentioned but what about Lara and
Anwar of contempory players?
Syed M. Ali
In article <5ev1if$r...@news.informix.com>, rkri...@informix.com (Ravi Krishna) writes:
]> Syed M. Ali (s...@dcs.ed.ac.uk) wrote:
]> : 2) You'll need to prove that the England bowling attack of the
]> : seventies and early eighties was "weak", and the English pitches of
]> : the same time were "flat".
]>
]> Zaheer was very good in English conditions thanks to his experience in
]> county cricket.
]> record in England is pretty avg.
]> England than Gavaskar.
Rubbish as usual :-) Zaheer hit 274 in his first Test on English soil
during his first tour of the country way back in 1971. County cricket
came later. My point still stands...
Syed
ps: If Vengsarkar performed better than Sunny in England, it means
precisely that. Vengy was a better player than Sunny under English
conditions, even if he wasn't on the whole.
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S Jagadish
> point is that Gary Sobers ( considered by many as the greatest WI batsman)
> has av avg of 26 against NZ and that too at a time when NZ bowling consisted
Um ravi, Venky surely would have somethin to say reg that :)
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Syed M. Ali
In article <5ev1oa$r...@news.informix.com>, rkri...@informix.com (Ravi Krishna) writes:
]> Syed M. Ali (s...@dcs.ed.ac.uk) wrote:
]> : possessed an equally terrifying attack in the seventies. Surely,
]> : that's why Zaheer's average is even worse against the Kiwis :-)
]>
]> When a player fails against a weak attack not many hold it against him. Only
]> when he fails against a top class attack does it become amusing. A case in
]> has av avg of 26 against NZ and that too at a time when NZ bowling consisted
]> However if Sobers had failed against Aus , let me see how he would have been
]> rated so high.
You are really a class act Ravi. The funniest thing is that you seem
to be writing all this tripe in earnest.
The above point was made in response to your wild assertion that
Zaheer always scored (and scored heavily) against "weak" attacks, and
always failed against "strong" attacks.
Your idea that to be conisdered a great batsman you only have to score
well against the stronger teams, regardless of how badly you perform
against the weaker ones is absurd to say the least. A great allround
batsman, on average (sic), will always do at least moderately well
against all teams (relative to a team's respective bowling strength),
provided he gets to play a fair number of Tests against that team.
That Zaheer and Gavsakar didn't manage to do so well against New
Zealand and England respectively only indicates that they were either
unable to master the bowling or the playing conditions when facing
those teams.
As for Zaheer's (in)ability to play pace, all your evidence seems to
be anecdotal. I wonder how many times have you actually seen Zaheer
facing a fast bowler. Those of us who had the privilege to watch
Zaheer in the seventies would tell you that though he was no Wasim
Raja or Majid Khan, he handled paced more than adequately. His record
on the hard and bouncy pitches in Australia is not half-bad, and
certainly better than most other compatriot batsmen of his era (and
that includes the Packer World Series as well).
Syed
rkri...@informix.com
Syed M. Ali <s...@dcs.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
> ps: If Vengsarkar performed better than Sunny in England, it means
> precisely that. Vengy was a better player than Sunny under English
> conditions, even if he wasn't on the whole.
very true.
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> to be writing all this tripe in earnest.
>
> The above point was made in response to your wild assertion that
> Zaheer always scored (and scored heavily) against "weak" attacks, and
> always failed against "strong" attacks.
>
> Your idea that to be conisdered a great batsman you only have to score
> well against the stronger teams, regardless of how badly you perform
> against the weaker ones is absurd to say the least.
Absurd. How many think it is worthwhile to even mention some great
players failure against weak sides. Face it, performance against Aus and
WI and to a certain extent England does matter a lot if a player has to
get recoginition in international cricket. After 80's performance
against Pakistan is also given lot of importance when judging a player
due to their fast bowlers. No one gives that much importance for
performance against weak sides. Yes it will be better if a player does
well against all sides but that is not possible for all. Tell me if a
wish is given to a batsman that you can have the following of the two:-
(a) Score heavily against weak bowling sides and bad against good
bowling sides. (b) Score heavily against good bowling sides and quite
bad against bad bowling sides.
Overall avg being the same.
Let me know which batsman will prefer (a). All will go for (b).
> That Zaheer and Gavsakar didn't manage to do so well against New
> Zealand and England respectively only indicates that they were either
> unable to master the bowling or the playing conditions when facing
> those teams.
True I am not denying , but who gives a damn ( that much importance) to
weak bowling attacks.
>
> As for Zaheer's (in)ability to play pace, all your evidence seems to
> be anecdotal. I wonder how many times have you actually seen Zaheer
> facing a fast bowler. Those of us who had the privilege to watch
> Zaheer in the seventies would tell you that though he was no Wasim
> Raja or Majid Khan, he handled paced more than adequately. His record
> on the hard and bouncy pitches in Australia is not half-bad, and
> certainly better than most other compatriot batsmen of his era (and
> that includes the Packer World Series as well).
I think I will inform Imran Khan to contact you to revise his opinion
about Zed. I have not seen Zed in action ( or inaction) against Pace
that much but I don't have to. I have seen a near replica of him ( a.k.a
Azharuddin) and what an amazing conincidence that both have a very
similar test record against good and weak bowling sides. No prize of
guessing what is Azhar's reputation against fast bowling on a bouncy
track.
Timmy the Mediocre
I thought Viv Richard's presence at the crease was his greatest asset. His
abilty to mentally dominate a bowler. (Not any more though Viv, heh)
As for the most stylish, I have memories as a kid watching Zaheer Abbass
spank the Australians around in World Series Cricket.
Kaleeswaran <kal...@b5664899.ims.advantis.com> wrote in article
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KDowers
One batsman omitted from your list is Jeffrey Dujon. When he got going
(earlier in his career) his grace and fluidity captivated spectators.
Its a pity he did not have more huge innings as his spectaculor
performance in the Port-of-Spain Oval.
Don Miles
55 messages in this thread as I type and no-one has suggested
England's "JB" (Janette Brittin) and I suggest that is because she has
never had the audience she deserves! If you want to make a coaching
video I suggest you approach her!
Among the men - then David Gower wins it for me. Now he's watched JB
more than once (since starting a career with the media). Although a
right hand bat, I wonder if she watched him and gained the elegance from
there.
Don
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Worcestershire, and has represented England at under 19 level, and
he is classy. A star of the future- but England probably won't
pick him until he is at least 27! (He's 21 this year).
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RH156RH
> You’ve certainly got him beat in patience and timing.
alvey
> I think nobody can beat our old unsung hero G.R.Vishwanath.For style and elegance no one will even come close to him.
alvey
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> Mark Waugh most elegant and gifted of all time.
RH156RH
> On Sat, 30 May 2020 09:05:36 -0700 (PDT), jhaaka...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Mark Waugh most elegant and gifted of all time.
>
> You saw Trumper? You're doing well for your age.
>
>
>
>
> alvey
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> On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 6:15:58 AM UTC+1, alvey wrote:
> > On Sat, 30 May 2020 09:05:36 -0700 (PDT), jhaaka...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > Mark Waugh most elegant and gifted of all time.
> >
> > You saw Trumper? You're doing well for your age.
> >
>
The only match footage is of him being runout against South Africa
The footage of him batting to throwdowns is too little to make any real assessment
