how fast Dennis Lillee?
BUCAO R
Hello
Just want to know how fast was Dennis Lillee. In speed how did he compare to
the old WI quicks Holding, Marshall and Patterson? How does he compare to
B Lee in speed.
I have only seen Lillee bowl medium pace. Someone told me that Lillee was
a real mean bowler.
Reynaldo
sha...@my-deja.com
I did not see his first 8 years of bowling but i started watching
cricket around 1978 and i'd say at that stage he was bowling around
Jason Gillespie pace or a little quicker. He was so skilled it did not
matter as he slowed down in those years. Similary we watch today as
Wasim Akram slows down he's still an excellent bowler becuase he is so
skilled. Lillee from videos and highlights i've seen before my time
looked even quicker than late 70's but a lot more raw.
I imagine he bowled btw 150 and 160 km/h at his quickest.
About the pace we see Brett Lee at when he's got his rhythm and Malcolm
Marshall. Holding probably the second quickest ever and Jeff Thomson
the quickest.
Brett Lee is very fast but i'm sure the batsmen don't feel he's out to
hit them so not mean in that sense. Lillee more like Warne's demeanor
and loved to intimidate the batsmen and have fun with him. Thommo more
like McGrath and a downright bastard if things don't go his way. Unlike
McGrath though, Thommo was bowling at frightening pace at his quickest
Quickest i've seen
Thommo
Holding
B Lee
Akhtar
Marshall
Wasim
Waquar
Lillee
Roberts
Donald
McDermott
Le Roux
Patterson
Gillespie
Imran
Pascoe
Croft
Hogg
Gillespie
Ambrose
i may have mised one or two i think
> Reynaldo
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Andrew Dunford
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> Quickest i've seen
> Thommo
> Holding
> B Lee
> Akhtar
> Marshall
> Wasim
> Waquar
> Lillee
> Roberts
> Donald
> McDermott
> Le Roux
> Patterson
> Gillespie
> Imran
> Pascoe
> Croft
> Hogg
> Gillespie
> Ambrose
>
> i may have mised one or two i think
Yeah, Gus MacKay.
Andrew
Larry de Silva
Also repeated Gillespie unless he is twice as fast as the others!
Larry
Andrew Dunford
"Larry de Silva" <larryd...@ozemail.com.au> wrote in
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> > Quickest i've seen
> > Thommo
> > Holding
> > B Lee
> > Akhtar
> > Marshall
> > Wasim
> > Waquar
> > Lillee
> > Roberts
> > Donald
> > McDermott
> > Le Roux
> > Patterson
> > Gillespie
> > Imran
> > Pascoe
> > Croft
> > Hogg
> > Gillespie
> > Ambrose
> >
> > i may have mised one or two i think
>
> Also repeated Gillespie unless he is twice as fast as the
others!
The other one would be Jason Gillespie's 'double', Stu
Gillespie (New Zealand, Northern Districts, Auckland
1979/80-1988/89). He would have been at least 125kph.
The reason I refer to SRG as JNG's 'double' is because
CricInfo's page for SRG has a link to a photo of JNG and
Steve Waugh colliding.
Andrew
Aries
sha...@my-deja.com wrote:
> In article <95aph7$jqu$1...@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au>,
> c911...@alinga.newcastle.edu.au (BUCAO R) wrote:
>snip<
> Quickest i've seen
> Thommo
> Holding
> B Lee
> Akhtar
> Marshall
> Wasim
> Waquar
> Lillee
> Roberts
> Donald
> McDermott
> Le Roux
> Patterson
> Gillespie
> Imran
> Pascoe
> Croft
> Hogg
> Gillespie
> Ambrose
Slyester Clark
Wayne Daniel
Bob Willis
non-Test
Mike Procter
Vincent Van Der Bijl of Middx
John Price
> i may have mised one or two i think
>
> > Reynaldo
> >
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Andrew Dunford
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> non-Test
> Mike Procter
Try telling the 1970 Australians that!
Andrew
sha...@my-deja.com
> > Ambrose
>
> Slyester Clark
> Wayne Daniel
> Bob Willis
> non-Test
> Mike Procter
> Vincent Van Der Bijl of Middx
> John Price
I already mentioned one none-Test
Garth Le Roux was damn quick and scary big man. Looked like Hulk Hogan
I saw Mike Proctor but can't remember him being particularly quick when
i saw him. Looked only a touch quicker than Max Walker.
Just a little quicker than medium pace. Maybe he was just slow in his
last season
Brad Williams who has played first class cricket in Australia is
probably up there with Brett Lee and Shoab Akhtar right now but rarely
plays as regularly injured and not as good a bowler anyway
Denis Hickey was quite quick also
> > i may have mised one or two i think
Devon Malcolm damn quick on his day
not very often though
Darren Gough probably a litte quicker than Ambrose but not really
express pace.
Merv Hughes of similar pace.
vezper
sha...@my-deja.com wrote:
> In article <95bsmk$lk5$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> Aries <vez...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > In article <95b1qd$vuk$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> > sha...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > > In article <95aph7$jqu$1...@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au>,
> > > c911...@alinga.newcastle.edu.au (BUCAO R) wrote:
> >
> > >snip<
> I already mentioned one none-Test
> Garth Le Roux was damn quick and scary big man. Looked like Hulk Hogan
> I saw Mike Proctor but can't remember him being particularly quick
when
> i saw him. Looked only a touch quicker than Max Walker.
> Just a little quicker than medium pace. Maybe he was just slow in his
> last season
Mike Procter, best years were in the early 70's, like Thompson he had a
very unusal style known as bowling "off the wrong foot".
Mike Procter did his knees in and surgery was required in 1975. A
measure of the man's determination was his ability to shrug off near
crippling injuries and come back to take 100 wickets in a season
again, not many can boast about that including nearly all the names you
have listed.
Procter was fast, infact very fast.
Yuk Tang
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>
>Devon Malcolm damn quick on his day
>not very often though
He got his rhythm absolutely right at the Oval in 1994, and produced the
fastest bowling that I've seen. Certainly quicker than Donald. When he
doesn't find his rhythm, he can be nowt more than fast-medium.
>Darren Gough probably a litte quicker than Ambrose but not really
>express pace.
>Merv Hughes of similar pace.
I'll have to disagree. I'd put Gough in the Gillespie bracket. The Dazzler
bowls with more wit than Dizzy, but with less support in the field.
Pacewise, they're fairly similar, and a notch above Hughes and McDermott.
However, Gough rarely bowls at 90+ mph all the time nowadays, preferring the
more effective mix 'em up method.
Cheers, ymt.
Shera
was a contest between the fastest bowlers in the world at that time. The
fastest bower
of the contest was Thompson followed by Holding. The 3rd slot went to Imran
with the fourth going to either Lillee or Roberts. LeRoux and Procter were
significantly slower than the above mentioned bowlers. Medium pacers like
Sarfaraz Nawaz and Kapil were also included in the contest, although for
what reason I'm not sure.
In a tri-series tournament between the Windies, SA and Pak. held in '93,
speed gun was employed. These 3 teams had the fastest bowlers in their ranks
at the time. Waqar was the fastest bowler and clocked a max. speed of 154
km/h. Second was Donald followed by Bishop, Ambrose, Wasim and Walsh.
Mohammed Zahid, when he burst onto the cricketing scene, was billed as the
fastest bowler in the world at that time. Carl Hooper acknowledged him as
being the quickest bowler he had ever faced.
sha...@my-deja.com
"Yuk Tang" <yo...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>
> sha...@my-deja.com wrote in message <95clal$eb2$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
> >
> >Devon Malcolm damn quick on his day
> >not very often though
>
> He got his rhythm absolutely right at the Oval in 1994, and produced
the
> fastest bowling that I've seen. Certainly quicker than Donald. When
he
> doesn't find his rhythm, he can be nowt more than fast-medium.
>
> >Darren Gough probably a litte quicker than Ambrose but not really
> >express pace.
> >Merv Hughes of similar pace.
>
> I'll have to disagree. I'd put Gough in the Gillespie bracket. The
Dazzler
> bowls with more wit than Dizzy,
Hey, i'm a fan of Dazzler as you call him, but i think your
underestimating Dizzy here. I have not seen Gough bowl over 150 km/h
I've seen Dizzy do it a few times but he has a much shorter run up now
and for the most part seems to bowl slightly within himself.
As for wit, i think Gillespie bowls with wit for sure, he's a smart
bowler. I actually think he's best is better than McGrath and Brett Lee.
Lee is just quicker so he tends to knock over a few more batsmen
but with less support in the field.
> Pacewise, they're fairly similar, and a notch above Hughes and
McDermott.
McDermott may have bowled a fairly regular fast bowlers pace for most
of the time but in his early few seasons and the 1991 tour of West
Indies he was certainly quicker than Dizzy, Gough or Hughes and by a
bit of a margin i'd say. Probably of similar pace to Brett Lee's
quickest but for most of his career he seemed to bowl more around Glen
McGrath pace in the low 130's km/h. Well down at what he's quickest was
sha...@my-deja.com
"Shera" <gte...@prism.gatech.edu> wrote:
> I watched a 1970's recording of the Kerry Packer carnival in which
there
> was a contest between the fastest bowlers in the world at that time.
The
> fastest bower
> of the contest was Thompson followed by Holding. The 3rd slot went to
Imran
> with the fourth going to either Lillee or Roberts. LeRoux and Procter
were
> significantly slower than the above mentioned bowlers.
On any given day some bowlers just don't have their rhythm so they
don't bowl near their top pace. For example i nthe first one dayer
Brett Lee come back in recently he bowled only one ball at his average
pace aroudn 145km/h and the rest were only the mid 130's.
I'm sure Garth Le Roux was up there with the pace of Imran, Lillee and
Roberts when he generally bowled but short of Thommo and Holding. Le
Roux must have had a slow day that day of the contest or i imagined him
to be a lot quicker than he really was.
Medium pacers like
> Sarfaraz Nawaz and Kapil were also included in the contest, although
for
> what reason I'm not sure.
That would be like including Ricky Ponting and Adam Dale in such a
contest.
> In a tri-series tournament between the Windies, SA and Pak. held
in '93,
> speed gun was employed. These 3 teams had the fastest bowlers in
their ranks
> at the time. Waqar was the fastest bowler and clocked a max. speed of
154
> km/h. Second was Donald followed by Bishop, Ambrose, Wasim and Walsh.
I reckon Wasim's earlier years were quicker than these other guys.
Waquar and Donald pretty quick also though
>
> Mohammed Zahid, when he burst onto the cricketing scene, was billed
as the
> fastest bowler in the world at that time. Carl Hooper acknowledged
him as
> being the quickest bowler he had ever faced.
That was one of the other guys i could not remember the name of
Thanks!
Larry de Silva
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> >
> > Mohammed Zahid, when he burst onto the cricketing scene, was billed
> as the
> > fastest bowler in the world at that time. Carl Hooper acknowledged
> him as
> > being the quickest bowler he had ever faced.
>
> That was one of the other guys i could not remember the name of
> Thanks!
Does anyone know what happened to this guy? Does he still play F/C cricket
in Pakistan?
Moby Dick
> In article <95dh0c$ncf$1...@news-int.gatech.edu>,
> "Shera" <gte...@prism.gatech.edu> wrote:
> Medium pacers like
> > Sarfaraz Nawaz and Kapil were also included in the contest, although
> for
> > what reason I'm not sure.
>
> That would be like including Ricky Ponting and Adam Dale in such a
> contest.
Not quite, surely. Perhaps SN, but including Kapil would be like
including Andrew Symonds and that's not an entirely silly idea given the
size of both men. I'm sure Kapil was quite capable of getting them in
the mid 140s... on the pitch though... :)
Moby Dick.
The revolution is dead. Long live the revolution.
Mike Holmans
opine:
>In article <95cruh$4li$1...@lure.pipex.net>,
> "Yuk Tang" <yo...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>> I'll have to disagree. I'd put Gough in the Gillespie bracket. The
>Dazzler
>> bowls with more wit than Dizzy,
>
>Hey, i'm a fan of Dazzler as you call him, but i think your
>underestimating Dizzy here. I have not seen Gough bowl over 150 km/h
If you're going to blink while he's bowling, it's not his fault. I
haven't seen Bradman score any centuries either, but it doesn't mean I
don't believe he did it.
Actually, I don't think Gough's faster balls are significantly *over*
150 kph - they are mostly *at* 150 kph.
Cheers,
Mike
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Alvey
there
> was a contest between the fastest bowlers in the world at that time.
The
> fastest bower
> of the contest was Thompson followed by Holding.
Yep, this was the occassion when Thommo clocked his 99.9 mph. Lillee's
average speed, with little variation, was 87mph. Faster than Holding's
average, but nowhere near his top speed. Imho DKL was noticably faster
in the early 1970's before the back crack. Certainly more intimidating
in delivery stride.
Alvey
sha...@mail.austasia.net
Alvey <Alvey_S...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> In article <95dh0c$ncf$1...@news-int.gatech.edu>,
> "Shera" <gte...@prism.gatech.edu> wrote:
> > I watched a 1970's recording of the Kerry Packer carnival in which
> there
> > was a contest between the fastest bowlers in the world at that time.
> The
> > fastest bower
> > of the contest was Thompson followed by Holding.
>
> Yep, this was the occassion when Thommo clocked his 99.9 mph.
No! That was in a one of Test match they took readings
Rarely had speed readings in those days. Would have been real
interesting if they had them regualry like they do today.
Maybe Thommo had days where he had some balls go over 170 km/h
He atleast reckons he did :-)
I wounder what speeds he was bowling in the mid 70's before he fucked
his shoulder
Glenn Condell
Glenn
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