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Bowling types- reverse Swing, Leg spin, seamer, back foot-- Pl explain

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MGovindara

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Jan 1, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/1/97
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I have been following cricket for more than 10 -15 years but still couln't
understand
the following terms.

Explanation would be appreciated.

1-Leg spin
What does it mean?

2-Off Spin

3-Medium Pace-Seamer-fast bowler?

4-Leg cutter?

5-In swinger/Out swinger

6- Reverse swing. Regular swing?

7- Yorker?

8-In a news clip
"
Schultz has reservations about Prasad's
effectiveness outside India.
"I'd like to see him on South African wickets which are more suited
towards seamers.
"He bowled well with variation of pace in India but, here in South Africa,
variation of pace'

What is he talking about?

9-Does VPrasd and Srinath bowl differently?

10- Is Kapil a fast bowler or seamer or medium pacer?

Pl e-mail ro me.

Thanks.

Rob Malpass

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Jan 1, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/1/97
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Well my interpretation is as follows, though I doubt it's definitive :-)

>1-Leg spin
>What does it mean?

Means that the stock delivery spins from the leg stump (to the off). i.e. a
leg break.
>
>2-Off Spin
Again, the stock delivery spins from off to leg (the off-break)
>
>3-Medium Pace-Seamer-fast bowler?
A medium pacer is slower than a fast bowler. He's a Seamer because he tries
to hit the pitch with the seam vertical or at an angle so as to induce the
ball to cut either in or away. A fast bowler is just simply faster than
a medium pacer.
>

>4-Leg cutter?
Any ball which cuts away. There's a lot of discussion about this one. Try
asking Alec Bedser or Fred Trueman.
>
>5-In swinger/Out swinger
Any ball which swings in or away respectively in the air i.e. the ball
deviates from the straight, then pitches. Few balls swing after they have
pitched.

>
>6- Reverse swing. Regular swing?

Reverse swing is a different type of swing perfected with the older ball.
Usually reverse swing is more obvious than regular swing. Regular swing is
with the new ball. Good exponents of reverse swing might be Waqar Younis and
Darren Gough. Regular swing would be Dominic Cork and probably Damien Fleming.

>
>7- Yorker?
A ball that pitches so close to the batsman's feet or guard hole that he can
do little more than block it.

>
>8-In a news clip
>"
>Schultz has reservations about Prasad's
>effectiveness outside India.
>"I'd like to see him on South African wickets which are more suited
>towards seamers.
>"He bowled well with variation of pace in India but, here in South Africa,
>variation of pace'

Means he mixes his speed of delivery up. i.e. slips in a few slower
deliveries.

>
>9-Does VPrasd and Srinath bowl differently?

Prasad is more of a swing bowler (not that I saw much of him), whereas Srinath
cuts it around off the seam. Srinath is definitely quicker than Prasad.


>
>10- Is Kapil a fast bowler or seamer or medium pacer?
>

Kapil could swing it and seam it. His pace varied. When he was young
he could bowl quite quickly (nothing in West Indian leagues) but he was honest
fast-medium. In his later days (1990 onwards) he became very medium paced.


Kumar Venkataraman

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Jan 2, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/2/97
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Rob Malpass (R...@getiton.demon.co.uk) wrote:

: >
: >7- Yorker?


: A ball that pitches so close to the batsman's feet or guard hole that he can
: do little more than block it.

Or hit for a six if you are a Kapil or a Viv.

Naeem00

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Jan 13, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/13/97
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kapil sucked against pace . . as do almost all indian players !
Viv now he could hit some yorkers but with todays bowlers Waqr and Wasim
at their best and viv at his best , they would eat him up and throw away
the remains!
Today we are witnessing the redefintion of the word Yorker and Great Fast
bowlers !

Kenny Green

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Jan 14, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/14/97
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In article <19970113185...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, nae...@aol.com
says...

I am afraid you lead most to believe you are either too young, or do not know
this game when you make a comment like this. In fact as recent as 93 when they
toured the Caribbean W&W did ok, but they were devoured in a few sessions by
people like Phil Simmons and Haynes. You want to reassess what you just said ?


Kurt Toolsie

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Jan 14, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/14/97
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In article NAA0...@ladder01.news.aol.com, nae...@aol.com (Naeem00) writes:
>kapil sucked against pace . . as do almost all indian players !

Yes indeed, that Gavaskar fellow was useless as all WIans know.

>Viv now he could hit some yorkers but with todays bowlers Waqr and Wasim
>at their best and viv at his best , they would eat him up and throw away
>the remains!

I had not realized that the yorker was such a modern invention. Viv must
be considered very lucky to have never faced that terrible modern tactic.

>Today we are witnessing the redefintion of the word Yorker and Great Fast
>bowlers !

By yourself, certainly!


Kurt

ktoo...@gelac.mar.lmco.com


Charles Horse

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Jan 15, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/15/97
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They might eat him up and spit him out after he has scored 100+ which would
be more than enough to beat the pakis, with the great fast bowling attack
that the Windies had when Viv was at his Best.

Its only a pity that the amount of shit you spout in this group couldn't be
converted to real shit. It would be enough to fertilize the continent of
Africa
--
Charles Horse
To Blow or Not to blow.

Naeem00 <nae...@aol.com> wrote in article
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> kapil sucked against pace . . as do almost all indian players !

> Viv now he could hit some yorkers but with todays bowlers Waqr and Wasim
> at their best and viv at his best , they would eat him up and throw away
> the remains!

Mad Hamish

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Jan 15, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/15/97
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>kapil sucked against pace . . as do almost all indian players !

Well I wouldn't say Kapil did too badly against pace, iirc he made some
pretty decent scores against South Africa with Donald at his fastest.

>Viv now he could hit some yorkers

well he was more likely than most to actually move his feet so that they
_weren't_ yorkers. Then he hit them.

> but with todays bowlers Waqr and Wasim
>at their best and viv at his best , they would eat him up and throw away
>the remains!

Rubbish. I really don't think that you can argue that Waqar and Younis are
that much (if at all) superior to such bowlers as Imran Khan, Richard Hadlee,
Denis Lillee. All of which Viv was quite capable of destroying.

>Today we are witnessing the redefintion of the word Yorker and Great Fast
>bowlers !

I agree we're seeing the redefinition of the word yorker, it appears that the
commentators now use it for any ball which beats the batsman and pitches in
his half of the pitch, or doesn't pitch at all. :)

As to great fast bowlers I'd say that (in the past 30 years or so)

Hall, Trueman, Snow, Lillee, Thommo (pre-injury), Hadlee, Imran Khan,
Roberts, Holding, Marshall, Garner, etc are all as good or better than anyone
around now.

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Jan 15, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/15/97
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In article <19970113185...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,

nae...@aol.com (Naeem00) wrote:
>
> kapil sucked against pace . . as do almost all indian players !

Does this guy know what the hell he is talking about?Kapil scored 100
not out against the WIndies in 2nd test (Trinidad) in 1983 off only
98 balls. As some one else mentioned innhis post, he also scored a 100
in SAfrica in 1992. He wasnt a great player of fast bowling, but
nevertheless ha was a very competent one to say the least.
Indian players cant play fast bowling? I guess ur knowledge of
cricket must be zero since u have never heard of Gavaskar, Amarnath
and Sachin T among others.
> Viv now he could hit some yorkers but with todays bowlers Waqr and Wasim


> at their best and viv at his best , they would eat him up and throw away
> the remains!

I would much rather not dignify this statement with my comment.


> Today we are witnessing the redefintion of the word Yorker and Great Fast> bowlers !

I guess you never heard of Imran,Garner,Holding or Thomson(the man
who invented the term 'toe crusher' either?


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Naeem00

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Jan 17, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/17/97
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Yes - i heard of thommo , but the yorker that Waqar and Wasim is not only
more succesful than Thommos and more famous - it has more style .
And I agree with the Imran yorker it was good - Waqar and Wasim are
bowling Imrans yorker but they have taken it to the next level .
Garners yorker = Ambrose yorker and that is not as good as thr two W's
yorker .
Incidentally -

q : I think Waqar and Wasim have the most feared and most succesful yorker
in history ? Comments anyone ?

Manish Sharma

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Jan 17, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/17/97
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Naeem00 wrote:
>
> kapil sucked against pace . . as do almost all indian players !
> Viv now he could hit some yorkers but with todays bowlers Waqr and Wasim
> at their best and viv at his best , they would eat him up and throw away
> the remains!
> Today we are witnessing the redefintion of the word Yorker and Great Fast
> bowlers !


Yeah, I wonder if Kapil and Srinath played as many tests against
zimbabwe and new zealand, as waqar and wasim played, kapil might be in
the 500 range, and srinath near waqar ;-)

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