Pakistan Team for Sri Lanka
Sadiq Yusuf
already appeared - blame it on a lagging newsreader :-)
From The Daily Telegraph, July 2 :
Veteran Javed Miandad, who was persuaded out of retirement from
Test Cricket bny Pakistan's prime minister, Benazir Bhutto, and opening
batsman Ramiz Raja have both been recalled by Pakistan for the coming
tour of Sri Lanka. The 16-man party announced on Thursday will leave
later this month for a three-Testy series plus three one-day
internationals. India and Australia will join Pakistan and the hosts for
a four-way one-day series. The most notable omission from the touring
party is fast bowler Aqib Javed (their spelling :-), who has been
replaced by left-arm paceman Kabir Khan, the top wicket-taker in the
recent domestic season.
Pakistan party (to tour Sri Lanka): Salim Malik (capt), Asif Mujtaba,
Rashid Latif, Javed Miandad, Aamir Sohail, Saeed Anwar, Basit Ali,
Inzamam-ul-haq, Zahid Fazal, Mushtaq Ahmed, Akram Raza, Waqar Younis,
Wasim Akram, Ashfaq Ahmed, Kabir Khan, Ramiz Raja.
Manager : Intikhab Alam.
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A surprising team, IMHO. A 16-man party with no reserve keeper,
6 bowlers, and 9 batsmen ? When are the 9 batsmen going to play,
especially as its only 3 tests and 3 ODIs ? Am surprised ( close to
shocked, actually ) at the recall of Ramiz - poor Shoaib must believe
its a conspiracy. Zahid returns after a period in the wilderness too -
but will he once more adopt the role of drinks carrier ? I personally
cannot see room for him in the 11 at the moment.
The Telegraph claims that the omission of Aqib is the biggest
shock. While I do agree with that, to me the major stunner is that there
is no Aqib, Ata, or even Nazir. The pace attack consists of the 2 Ws, a
newbie who has played about 2 ODIs vs Zimbabwe ( I think ), and a
players who has never played for Pakistan. Interesting, to say the
least. What will the 11 be for the tests ? I'd presume no more than 4
bowlers - if Pakistan goes with 3 pacemen (as it often does), there will
definately be one debutant paceman for the first test.
Would appreciate comments from Pakistanis on the side. And is
there anyone who knows much about Kabir Khan ? Shameem ? :-)
Sadiq [ intrigued ] Yusuf
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Jawad Ali
> The Telegraph claims that the omission of Aqib is the biggest
>shock. While I do agree with that, to me the major stunner is that there
>is no Aqib, Ata, or even Nazir. The pace attack consists of the 2 Ws, a
>newbie who has played about 2 ODIs vs Zimbabwe ( I think ), and a
None to be exact. He did have a minor_but_not_too_shabby role in a
side match playing for Khyber Bank against Zimbabwe:
Kabeer Khan 22 6 48 2 (Credit CI)
There is one word to describe the exclusion of Ata, Aquib and Aamir:
JOKERS! Three Punjabis taken out to make space for a Pathan does
put a monkey wrench in the ethnic conspiracy theory :)
j n a
sl...@cc.usu.edu
> Havent seen this on rsc yet, have no idea why. Apologies if its
> already appeared - blame it on a lagging newsreader :-)
>
> From The Daily Telegraph, July 2 :
>
> Veteran Javed Miandad, who was persuaded out of retirement from
> Test Cricket bny Pakistan's prime minister, Benazir Bhutto, and opening
> batsman Ramiz Raja have both been recalled by Pakistan for the coming
> tour of Sri Lanka. The 16-man party announced on Thursday will leave
> later this month for a three-Testy series plus three one-day
> internationals. India and Australia will join Pakistan and the hosts for
> a four-way one-day series. The most notable omission from the touring
> party is fast bowler Aqib Javed (their spelling :-), who has been
> replaced by left-arm paceman Kabir Khan, the top wicket-taker in the
> recent domestic season.
>
> Pakistan party (to tour Sri Lanka): Salim Malik (capt), Asif Mujtaba,
> Rashid Latif, Javed Miandad, Aamir Sohail, Saeed Anwar, Basit Ali,
> Inzamam-ul-haq, Zahid Fazal, Mushtaq Ahmed, Akram Raza, Waqar Younis,
> Wasim Akram, Ashfaq Ahmed, Kabir Khan, Ramiz Raja.
> Manager : Intikhab Alam.
>
> *******************************
This is certainly a strange selection. I was expecting a different line up.
My guess was:
Saeed Anwar, Aamir Sohail, Shoaib Mohd, Inzamam-ul-haq
Asif Mujtaba,Javed Miandad, Basit Ali, Salim Malik,
Rashid Latif,Shakeel Ahmed, Waqar Younus,Waseem Akram
Aaqib Javed,Ather Laeeq,Mushtaq Ahmed,Akram Raza
Opinion:
I feel Shakeel Ahmed as 2nd Keeper and reserve opener or one-down
would have been a good choice. He was member of the team in the past.
The selection of Ather Laeeq would have been justified after his performance in
domestic cricket and his selection for Sharjah tournament few months back.
Surprises;
I am surprised at the exclusion of Shoaib Mohd,Aaqib Javed and Ata-ur-Rehman.
Shoaib has a test record second only to Miandad in the present lot of Pakistani
batsmen. Aaqib proved his worth time and again and is a great backup for the
W's.
I am also surprised at the inclusion of Ramiz,Zahid fazal,Ashfaq and
Kabir Khan.
IN presence of Saeed and Aamir Sohail there is no need of Ramiz. HIs record is
not as good as Shoaib to be the third opener even.
In the presence of Asif ,Basit and Inzamam there is no place for Zahid fazal.
Ashfaq and kabir cant replace aaqib and if the need for fresh blood was felt
necessary then Irfan Bhatti of Rawalpindi should have been the choice
Sohban Shahid
|> In article <2vd8uq$s...@news.iastate.edu>, Sadiq Yusuf <si...@iastate.edu> wrote:
|> None to be exact. He did have a minor_but_not_too_shabby role in a
|> side match playing for Khyber Bank against Zimbabwe:
|>
|> Kabeer Khan 22 6 48 2 (Credit CI)
He is a top wicket taker in the domestic season. He is a
left-arm pace bowler also, which is working so well in the
case of Akram.
|> There is one word to describe the exclusion of Ata, Aquib and Aamir:
|> JOKERS! Three Punjabis taken out to make space for a Pathan does
|> put a monkey wrench in the ethnic conspiracy theory :)
|>
Two words for you bro; guilty conscious!. Now put a flower
vase on this ethnic blah blah theory with the omission of
Shoaib Mohammed. Do I need to define Ramiz Raja's ethnicity
here, for his inclusion? Names of other players will further
assist you in boasting :-):-)
Salim Malik (C), Asif Mujtaba, Rashid Latif, Javed Miandad,
Aamir Sohail, Saeed Anwar, Basit Ali, Inzamam-ul-Haq,
Zahid Fazal, Mushtaq Ahmed, Akram Raza, Waqar Younis,
Wasim Akram, Ashfaq Ahmed, Kabir Khan, Ramiz Raja.
Manager: Intikhab Alam.
Even the manager of this team is a PUNJABI, hah hah hah.
|> j n a
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Nadir E Rahman
go on this tour. Someone mentioned that he was the leading wicket-taker in the
domestic season. I'm pretty sure that's incorrect; as far as I know he had taken
only 16 wickets in 7 matches played this season. I don't know of any other Kabir
Khans playing on the domestic circuit so it seems this is the same bowler. In my
opinion if a new bowler had to be chosen, it should have been Naeem Ashraf from
Lahore; he took 48 wickets in 11 matches. He also scored a couple of centuries and
at the age of 25, has youth on his side. He's a fast-medium left-armer. I'm not
really sure whether it makes sense to blood aspiring pacers who may have talent
but not any match experience. In the past this worked with bowlers such as
Wasim, Waqar and Aaqib, but I'm convinced that was solely due to Imran's
inspirational presence and guidance. In terms of talent and skill Wasim and Waqar
may rank up there with Imran (although I'm not entirely convinced), but neither
of them seems to have the temperament suited to guiding a fledgling young bowler
through the early stages of his career.
That said, let me qualify my earlier remarks by saying that no-one would be more
delighted than myself to see Kabir Khan peform well.
I'm also not convinced Akram Raza should be in the final 16. He is very
much of the trundler variety, and does not have much penetration. A better choice
might have been Haris Khan. The Sri-Lankans are pretty good players of spin and
even though Mushtaq is finally back in good form, they may give him some stick.
I also wouldn't be surprised to see a good battle between Waqar and some of the
Sri-Lankan batsmen : Gurusinha and Aravinda-de-Silva in particular. Waqar always
looks a bit rattled when a batsman starts hitting him around; and typically
responds by trying to bowl faster rather than getting his line-and-length right.
Both Gurusinha and de-Silva are fine stroke-players and will definitely take the
attack to the pace bowlers rather than try and graft their innings through.
Does anyone know the kind of pitches the Sri Lankans have been preparing
lately? They used to have green, seaming tracks, but with Muralitharan and
Warnaweera now in their attack I would expect to see batting-cum-spinning pitches.
Nadir.
Nadir E Rahman
>I am surprised at the exclusion of Shoaib Mohd,Aaqib Javed and Ata-ur-Rehman.
>Shoaib has a test record second only to Miandad in the present lot of Pakistani
>batsmen. Aaqib proved his worth time and again and is a great backup for the
>W's.
Well, I certainly agree that if a third opening batsman was to be
selected, then it should be Shoaib. Certainly not Rameez, whose technique has
always been faulty (he grips the bat too tightly) . But keep in mind that Rameez
has always done well against teams such as Sri-Lanka and Zimbabwe, whilst
conscientiously making it a point to fail against other sides. His debut century
was also scored in 1985-86 in Sri Lanka and his success on that tour may be a
factor in his selection. But it is stupid to have 3 stroke players chosen for the
opening slot. Much better to have Shoaib there because even when Shoaib is in
poor form he doesn't throw his wicket away and tries to graft his innings.
Of-course, the one exception to this must rank as the 1st? test against Zimbabwe
in Karachi last year when he pottered around for ever so long without scoring any
runs, and then suddenly threw all that hard work away by trying to hook Brain for
a six (I have never seen the man hit a fast bowler for six, let alone hook one
out of the ground, so this stroke was even more incomprehensible) and getting out
caught. But I digress.
Aaqib's omission may be understandable given his recent back-problems,
and maybe even his outbursts on the field, although I think it would be grossly
unfair to still hold that against him since he's already paid his dues.
Zahid Fazal had a phenomenal domestic season, scoring 1205 runs in 17
matches with 4 centuries and 8 fifties, so it may simply be a case of striking
while the anvil is hot by including him.
I haven't been too impressed by Ashfaq Ahmed; Ata-ur-Rahman seems to me
to be the better bowler because I think he has more heart and could also add on a
couple of yards in pace in the future.
Nadir.
Tippu Hassan
>In article <2vk2l7$i...@charnel.ecst.CSUChico.EDU>, ja...@ecst.csuchico.edu (Jawad Ali) writes:
>|> There is one word to describe the exclusion of Ata, Aquib and Aamir:
>|> JOKERS! Three Punjabis taken out to make space for a Pathan does
>|> put a monkey wrench in the ethnic conspiracy theory :)
>|>
>
> Two words for you bro; guilty conscious!. Now put a flower
> vase on this ethnic blah blah theory with the omission of
> Shoaib Mohammed. Do I need to define Ramiz Raja's ethnicity
> here, for his inclusion?
Ramiz himself is a punjabi but his parents are kashmiris if i'm not mistaken.
Exclusion of Aaquib is what i just CANNOT fathom. The best bowler after the W's
in pakistan by far!
>
>|> j n a
>
>
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>Ft. Collins, CO-80523
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Tippu badshah...Setting the record straight
Tippu Hassan
>a four-way one-day series. The most notable omission from the touring
>party is fast bowler Aqib Javed (their spelling :-), who has been
>replaced by left-arm paceman Kabir Khan, the top wicket-taker in the
>recent domestic season.
Just dont get it. Looked at it from every angle, couldn't figure it out.
The board seems to have turned against the guy. He is without question the
best bowler in pakistan apart from the 2Ws. In fact, for ODIs i'd prefer him
over WY. I agree new guys must be blooded but one at a time!. It should have
been either ashfaq or kabir, and since ashfaq already has had a chance, kabir
should have come in in place of ashfaq rather then aaquib.
>
>Pakistan party (to tour Sri Lanka): Salim Malik (capt), Asif Mujtaba,
>Rashid Latif, Javed Miandad, Aamir Sohail, Saeed Anwar, Basit Ali,
>Inzamam-ul-haq, Zahid Fazal, Mushtaq Ahmed, Akram Raza, Waqar Younis,
>Wasim Akram, Ashfaq Ahmed, Kabir Khan, Ramiz Raja.
>Manager : Intikhab Alam.
>
>*******************************
> Would appreciate comments from Pakistanis on the side. And is
>there anyone who knows much about Kabir Khan ? Shameem ? :-)
>
> Sadiq [ intrigued ] Yusuf
Tippu badshah...Robbed of the pleasue of watching Aaquib mesmerising batsmen
Syed M. Ali
]> I'm not
]> really sure whether it makes sense to blood aspiring pacers who may have talent
]> but not any match experience. In the past this worked with bowlers such as
]> Wasim, Waqar and Aaqib, but I'm convinced that was solely due to Imran's
]> inspirational presence and guidance. In terms of talent and skill Wasim and Waqar
]> may rank up there with Imran (although I'm not entirely convinced), but neither
]> of them seems to have the temperament suited to guiding a fledgling young bowler
]> through the early stages of his career.
You're talking like an English selector...let the kid groom himself on
the domestic circuit, and surely we'll select him after some years !!
Sub-continental teams have always blooded youngsters, and with some
good results too. You are partly right in saying that Waqar and Wasim were
groomed by Imran, but Wasim's 10-wicket haul in his very second test, IMHO, is
more to be attributed to his natural talents rather than to Imran (who, BTW,
was out of the team due to shin injury).
It's quite illogical to say that you should not include a young player
simply b/c Imran is not there. There have been numerous examples of young
players making it big (without necessarily having someone to groom them).
Hanif Mohammad, Mushtaq Mohammad, Javed Miandad, and recently Tendulkar and
Basit Ali, just to name a few, would refute your statement.
I agree it's a big help if you have a mentor (such as Imran), but
surely it's not a requirement for including a youngster in the team.
]> That said, let me qualify my earlier remarks by saying that no-one would be more
]> delighted than myself to see Kabir Khan peform well.
I hope so too.
]> Nadir.
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Sohban Shahid
|> In article 2I...@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU, ss73...@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Sohban Shahid) writes:
|> >In article <2vk2l7$i...@charnel.ecst.CSUChico.EDU>, ja...@ecst.csuchico.edu (Jawad Ali) writes:
|> Ramiz himself is a punjabi but his parents are kashmiris if i'm not mistaken.
You are trying to bring something here with reference to
Kashmir? Good try but I'll pass.
|> Exclusion of Aaquib is what i just CANNOT fathom. The best bowler after the W's
|> in pakistan by far!
|>
Here you go! **CANNOT fathom** for poor Aaquib and a pin drop
silence on Shoaib. If you try to apply the same logic,
you'll find that it is applicable on Shoaib too! Think about it,
may be ... may be we can reach an agreement on this issue.
|> Tippu badshah...Setting the record straight
So that is how you set the record straight....good Tippu BADSHAH
Nam ke tou laj rakh lai merai doust.
Nadir E Rahman
>simply b/c Imran is not there. There have been numerous examples of young
>players making it big (without necessarily having someone to groom them).
>Hanif Mohammad, Mushtaq Mohammad, Javed Miandad, and recently Tendulkar and
>Basit Ali, just to name a few, would refute your statement.
> I agree it's a big help if you have a mentor (such as Imran), but
>surely it's not a requirement for including a youngster in the team.
Well, I would agree that Pakistan needs to continue its policy of
giving young players a chance even if they haven't done the rounds of the
domestic circuit. This is one of the characteristics of our players; unlike
England where I would tend to think there is a surfeit of coaching right from the
school level, Pakistani batsmen generally develop their own styles of playing and
then refine it on the job, as it were. I think there are many advantages to this
system, not the least being we get to see more exciting cricket. But my point was
more that the Pakistani selectors have been giving test caps to too many young
pacers without giving any of them a prolonged chance. In the past couple of years
we've seen Ata, Ashfaq, Amir Nazir, Athar Laeeq, and now Kabir Khan. I don't see
much consistency in this policy. The only player who's been given a decent amount
of playing time is Ata, and now he's been axed despite a fairly creditable
performance. Given that these players haven't been playing much domestic cricket,
where else are they going to pick up more skills if not in international play?
In fact, our selectors may be behaving too much like the English selectors,
chopping and changing the pace attack at will. I do appreciate the fact that they
have left the nucleus of our batting intact, though.
Phil Shead
>Ramiz himself is a punjabi but his parents are kashmiris if i'm not mistaken.
>Exclusion of Aaquib is what i just CANNOT fathom. The best bowler after the W's
>in pakistan by far!
Well all I can say is the rest of them must be pretty awful, because
Aaqib aint much chop. Rehmann of what I've seen is a significantly more
useful bowler than Aaqib who is vastly overrated (or alternately vastly
under performed).
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Phil Shead
>In article <2vsnmk$4...@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>, nara...@athena.mit.edu (Nadir E Rahman) writes:
>]> I'm not
>]> really sure whether it makes sense to blood aspiring pacers who may have talent
>]> but not any match experience. In the past this worked with bowlers such as
>]> Wasim, Waqar and Aaqib, but I'm convinced that was solely due to Imran's
> It's quite illogical to say that you should not include a young player
>simply b/c Imran is not there. There have been numerous examples of young
>players making it big (without necessarily having someone to groom them).
>Hanif Mohammad, Mushtaq Mohammad, Javed Miandad, and recently Tendulkar and
>Basit Ali, just to name a few, would refute your statement.
Hmm, lets see, batsman, batsman, batsman, batsman, and batsman. See now
bowlers are different to batsmen, they do a lot more work and probably
need more guidance in their early career, possibly where Imra's influence
came in.
Tippu Hassan
>In article <2vtigt$i...@wabbit.cc.uow.edu.au>, ti...@snrc.uow.edu.au (Tippu Hassan) writes:
>
>|> Exclusion of Aaquib is what i just CANNOT fathom. The best bowler after the W's
>|> in pakistan by far!
>|>
>
> Here you go! **CANNOT fathom** for poor Aaquib and a pin drop
> silence on Shoaib. If you try to apply the same logic,
> you'll find that it is applicable on Shoaib too! Think about it,
> may be ... may be we can reach an agreement on this issue.
I have always and will continue to proclaim that Shoaib has been wronged. His
career has been wrecked by the selectors.
The only reason his exclusion didn't surprise me is because i've given up on the
hope that he might some day be recalled. On the other hand, i expected Aaquib
to be in the side and i still can't understand why he was excluded.
>
>|> Tippu badshah...Setting the record straight
>
> So that is how you set the record straight....good Tippu BADSHAH
> Nam ke tou laj rakh lai merai doust.
No malice was intended in my previous post. I apologise if i came across as a
supporter of the way Shoaib has been treated..
Tippu badshah...
Tippu Hassan
>In article <2vtigt$i...@wabbit.cc.uow.edu.au> ti...@snrc.uow.edu.au writes:
>
>>Ramiz himself is a punjabi but his parents are kashmiris if i'm not mistaken.
>>Exclusion of Aaquib is what i just CANNOT fathom. The best bowler after the W's
>>in pakistan by far!
>
> Well all I can say is the rest of them must be pretty awful, because
>Aaqib aint much chop. Rehmann of what I've seen is a significantly more
>useful bowler than Aaqib who is vastly overrated (or alternately vastly
>under performed).
Hopefully u have an archive of the World cup tapes. Watch him share the full burden
with Wasim. And if u dont want to waste too much time, just watch the finals.
Tippu badshah...Ardent fan of Aaquib the back breaker ( in more ways then one ;) )
Syed M. Ali
Nadir E Rahman writes:
In article <2vuke2$o...@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> nara...@athena.mit.edu (Nadir E Rahman) writes:
Nadir>
Nadir> I think there are many advantages to this system, not the least
Nadir> being we get to see more exciting cricket. But my point was
Nadir> more that the Pakistani selectors have been giving test caps to
Nadir> too many young pacers without giving any of them a prolonged
Nadir> chance. In the past couple of years we've seen Ata, Ashfaq,
Nadir> Amir Nazir, Athar Laeeq, and now Kabir Khan. I don't see much
Nadir> consistency in this policy. The only player who's been given a
Nadir> decent amount of playing time is Ata, and now he's been axed
Nadir> despite a fairly creditable performance. Given that these
That I shall agree with vociferously. Indeed it's a pity that
the BCCP is just not giving these youngsters any sense of security.
Each match they play with the axe hanging just over their heads. We
have seen this happening in the past with Iqbal Qasim, Wasim Raja and
Shoaib Mohammad. Ata is a good player and is fully capable of
increasing his already decent pace by a yard or two.
I agree with Phil Shead that Aaqib is overrated. I'll take
him for the one days, but in tests I'll prefer to go with Ata.
Well. let's hope that BCCP is using this tour to test some new players
before the Aussie series (though, IMO, playing Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka
is inherently more difficult than playing Australia in Pakistan :-> )
Nadir> players haven't been playing much domestic cricket, where else
Nadir> are they going to pick up more skills if not in international
Nadir> play? In fact, our selectors may be behaving too much like the
Nadir> English selectors, chopping and changing the pace attack at
Nadir> will. I do appreciate the fact that they have left the nucleus
Nadir> of our batting intact, though.
Maybe so, but IMO, they ought have taken Shoaib instead of
Zahid Fazal.
Syed
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Syed M. Ali
In article <2vvdp0$h...@sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au> dri...@Deakin.Edu.Au (Phil Shead) writes:
>> It's quite illogical to say that you should not include a young
>> player simply b/c Imran is not there. There have been numerous
>> examples of young players making it big (without necessarily having
>> someone to groom them). Hanif Mohammad, Mushtaq Mohammad, Javed
>> Miandad, and recently Tendulkar and Basit Ali, just to name a few,
>> would refute your statement.
drinnen> Hmm, lets see, batsman, batsman, batsman, batsman, and
drinnen> batsman. See now bowlers are different to batsmen, they do a
drinnen> lot more work and probably need more guidance in their early
drinnen> career, possibly where Imra's influence came in.
Then how would you explain the advent of Kapil Dev and Imran
himself. Agreed, Imran came in through pull, but certainly there was
no mentor in the Pakistani team for him.
But I do agree that it's significantly more important for a
bowler to have an experienced bowler on his side than for a batsman.
Vaibhav A. Diwadkar
>In article <2vtigt$i...@wabbit.cc.uow.edu.au> ti...@snrc.uow.edu.au writes:
>
>>Ramiz himself is a punjabi but his parents are kashmiris if i'm not mistaken.
>>Exclusion of Aaquib is what i just CANNOT fathom. The best bowler after the W's
>>in pakistan by far!
>
> Well all I can say is the rest of them must be pretty awful, because
>Aaqib aint much chop. Rehmann of what I've seen is a significantly more
>useful bowler than Aaqib who is vastly overrated (or alternately vastly
>under performed).
- Vastly overrated. The mileage on his 7/37 at Sharjah has
run out. Time to look elsewhere. I thought Ata-ur looked
very promising but looks like the selectors have struck again
for Pakistan. And to pick Rameez over Shoaib! In any case
it probably does not matter because when you have the
two W's you almost have nine degrees of freedom to work
with.
- Regards,
- Vaibhav.
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Vanderbilt University
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In article <2vvdbj$g...@sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au>, dri...@Deakin.Edu.Au (Phil Shead) writes:
|> In article <2vtigt$i...@wabbit.cc.uow.edu.au> ti...@snrc.uow.edu.au writes:
|>
|> >Ramiz himself is a punjabi but his parents are kashmiris if i'm not mistaken.
|> >Exclusion of Aaquib is what i just CANNOT fathom. The best bowler after the W's
|> >in pakistan by far!
|>
|> Well all I can say is the rest of them must be pretty awful, because
|> Aaqib aint much chop. Rehmann of what I've seen is a significantly more
|> useful bowler than Aaqib who is vastly overrated (or alternately vastly
|> under performed).
|>
Yeah...I second what Phil says. I watched Rehmann quite closely in the recent PAK
v NZ test series. I'd say he leaves Aaquib for dead.
Far more emotionally mature too!
Chris
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what others feel about the final line up.
My selection for the 16 and then playing eleven would have been.
Saeed Anwar ADBP
Aamir Sohail HBL
Shoib Mohd PIA
Shakeel Ahmed HBL (opener and reserve keeper)
Asif Mujtaba PIA
Javed Miandad HBL
Salim Malik HBL
Basit Ali UBL
Inzamam-ul-haq UBL
Rashid Latif UBL (W.keeper)
Waqar Younus UBL
Waseem Akram PIA
Aaqib Javed PACO
Ather Laeeq KCCA
Mushtaq Ahmed UBL
Harris Khan KCCA
Playing Eleven
Saeed Anwar
Aamir Sohail
Asif Mujtaba
Javed Miandad
Basit Ali
Salim Malik
Rashid Latif
Waseem Akram
Mushtaq Ahmed
Waqar Younus
Aaqib Javed
* I will include Shakeel Ahmed as a reserve keeper with added ability as an
opener. He has been in the team in the past and should be given a fair chance
before dropped from the team.
* I will include Shoib Mohd as 3rd opener since his test record is second to
only Miandad.
I will include Ather Laeeq as the forth bowler since he was not given a chance
to prove his worth in Sharjah Cup. He was originally selected as the 4rth
bowler
along with Waseem, Waqar and Aaqib and was ahead of Ata. But after Waqar got
sick and could not make it Ata was selected to replace Waqar and he eventually
played over Athher where as Ather should have been the 3rd bowler after Waqar
was not in the team.
* Harris khan is a promising off-spinner and is the captain of KCCA. I feel
he will be better than Akram Raza in the test matches since he give more
flight to the ball. His domestic performance is also good and deserve a chance.
Any comments are welcomed
Thanks
Ali
SSS
>Although the team for SL is already announced ,but, for fun I would see
>what others feel about the final line up.
>My selection for the 16 and then playing eleven would have been.
>Harris Khan KCCA
>* Harris khan is a promising off-spinner and is the captain of KCCA. I feel
>he will be better than Akram Raza in the test matches since he give more
>flight to the ball. His domestic performance is also good and deserve a chance.
>Any comments are welcomed
>
>Thanks
>
>Ali
Quite a few years ago, 1985 perhaps, Haris was in the Under 19 and
both Haseeb Ahsan and Imran were impressed by his talent. Imran,
however, felt that Haris should improve his fitness (he is 6.3 plus, a
big man and even at that time had a paunch), as he was an atrocious
fielder (well, as bad as the other Test players, I would think). Anyway,
a leggie, who was a colleague of Haris (was it Mushtaq?) was selected,
instead.
It is pleasant to discover that Haris is still playing and performing.
He is just another example of a cricketer who should have but did not
make the test eleven. After all, at that time his competition was
Tauseef, although he did improve his batting to dislodge
Tauseef. Anyway, I would not cry foul, Haris did get ample opportunity
to prove himself. This is not to imply that he would not be useful
at the test level, especially in 1-days, even now. BTW, what is his
performance in the domestic season?
Regards
Safwan
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> Well all I can say is the rest of them must be pretty awful, because
>Aaqib aint much chop. Rehmann of what I've seen is a significantly more
>useful bowler than Aaqib who is vastly overrated (or alternately vastly
>under performed).
It is not so easy bowling in the shadows of W&W, and Aaquib has done a
significant support job for them. he is the one that has consistently
achieved the breakthroughs for W&W to run up the batting lineup. he
is alos the only current Pakistani fast/medium bowler who can control
his swing both ways. In fact, gurus will argue that he is a better
new ball bowler than Akram and Younis. In a team with W&W his
nickname is "Swing kaa badshah" (The King of Swing) [Ref: Shamim
Naqvi].
Now then his form has been hampered by his back injury and he did not
bowl like Aaquib in Sharjah. May be there is an injury problem, or
may be he is recuperating his form.
As an aside, AJ in his true form is vastly superior to all Pakistani
pace bowlers except W&W.
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Salman [Ustad] Azhar
> I agree with Phil Shead that Aaqib is overrated. I'll take
>him for the one days, but in tests I'll prefer to go with Ata.
>Well. let's hope that BCCP is using this tour to test some new players
>before the Aussie series (though, IMO, playing Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka
>is inherently more difficult than playing Australia in Pakistan :-> )
Let us ask W&W to opine on this matter. I will bet my bottom paisa
that they will rather have Aaquib behind them than any other Pakistani
bowler.
> Maybe so, but IMO, they ought have taken Shoaib instead of
>Zahid Fazal.
>Syed
Zahid is a pretty good batsman, but there is no place for him in the
Pakistani batting lineup for most of his cricketing career.
++SA
Syed M. Ali
Salman [Ustad] Azhar writes:
In article <7742...@volga.cs.duke.edu> az...@duke.cs.duke.edu (Salman [Ustad] Azhar) writes:
azhar> In article <SMA.94Ju...@davaar.dcs.ed.ac.uk>
azhar> s...@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Syed M. Ali) writes:
>> I agree with Phil Shead that Aaqib is overrated. I'll take him for
>> the one days, but in tests I'll prefer to go with Ata. Well. let's
>> hope that BCCP is using this tour to test some new players before
>> the Aussie series (though, IMO, playing Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka is
>> inherently more difficult than playing Australia in Pakistan :-> )
azhar> Let us ask W&W to opine on this matter. I will bet my bottom
azhar> paisa that they will rather have Aaquib behind them than any
azhar> other Pakistani bowler.
As far as I'm aware W&W have still not be given the
responsibilities of selecting their bowling partner. IMO, Aaqib is an
excellent one-day bowler (I'll rate him over Waqar) but in test
matches his recent performances have not been above average. In test
matches IMO, there is no harm in grooming Ata-ur-Rehman (and Aamir
Nazir) especially when we know that W&W are injury prone. If Aaqib
can recover from his injuries and bowl again like he did in the World
Cup 92 -- sure he'll be in my team before Ata or Aamir Nazir.
>> Maybe so, but IMO, they ought have taken Shoaib instead of Zahid
>> Fazal. Syed
azhar> Zahid is a pretty good batsman, but there is no place for him
azhar> in the Pakistani batting lineup for most of his cricketing
azhar> career.
Well now, there might be since Miandad will miss the tour.
azhar> ++SA
Salman [Ustad] Azhar
>
>In article <7742...@volga.cs.duke.edu> az...@duke.cs.duke.edu (Salman [Ustad] Azhar) writes:
>azhar> Let us ask W&W to opine on this matter. I will bet my bottom
>azhar> paisa that they will rather have Aaquib behind them than any
>azhar> other Pakistani bowler.
> As far as I'm aware W&W have still not be given the
>responsibilities of selecting their bowling partner.
;)
>IMO, Aaqib is an
>excellent one-day bowler (I'll rate him over Waqar) but in test
>matches his recent performances have not been above average. In test
>matches IMO, there is no harm in grooming Ata-ur-Rehman (and Aamir
>Nazir) especially when we know that W&W are injury prone. If Aaqib
>can recover from his injuries and bowl again like he did in the World
>Cup 92 -- sure he'll be in my team before Ata or Aamir Nazir.
I differ from Mr. Ali on two accounts. I would rather have Waqar than
Aaqib even in ODI. I would rather have Aaqib than Ata (and Nazir)
even in tests.
So, can we call it a stalemate on Aaqib Javed.
>azhar> Zahid is a pretty good batsman, but there is no place for him
>azhar> in the Pakistani batting lineup for most of his cricketing
>azhar> career.
> Well now, there might be since Miandad will miss the tour.
No chance yet. Asif Mujtaba just confirmed his batting slot.
>azhar> ++SA
> Syed
++DS[Q]A
Syed M. Ali
Azhar) writes:
]>
]> I differ from Mr. Ali on two accounts. I would rather have Waqar than
]> Aaqib even in ODI. I would rather have Aaqib than Ata (and Nazir)
]> even in tests.
]>
]> So, can we call it a stalemate on Aaqib Javed.
I guess so ;-I
]> > Well now, there might be since Miandad will miss the tour.
]>
]> No chance yet. Asif Mujtaba just confirmed his batting slot.
]>
Yes! The batting line up is very predictable, isn't it? Saeed Anwar and
Aamir Sohail openers, and Basit, Inzamam, Malik, and Mujtaba making up the
middle-order. Though, I have a feeling that we'll see Ramiz in the third test (or
are there only two test matches to be played now ?)
The line-up IMO would/should be:
Aamir Sohail
Saeed Anwar
Basit Ali
Salim Malik
Inzamam-ul-Haq
Asif Mujtaba
Rashid Latif
Wasim Akram
Mushtaq Ahmed
Waqar Younus
<Anyone could be here....any guesses ?>
]> D. Salman Azhar CS Dept Duveristy Unike az...@cricket.cs.duke.edu