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Shiva IYER
Dec 26, 2012, 9:08:11 AM12/26/12
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My stand of boycotting the Naa_Paak cricket team's tour to Bhaarath is
entirely vindcated. Now tell me what we should tell the parents of this
soldier, that we are playing cricket with them while their son has
given his blood for the nation.
While we are hosting their cricket team in this misguided venture, these
terror vermin are killing our soldiers at the border. It is a matter
of great shame that we still are interested in conducting ridiculous
peace talks and even more ridiculous cricket series. I would have
loved if it was Aus here instead of these Paaki idiots. It would have
been great if the Aussies were here for an extended series.
Ps C
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Army-jawan-killed-in-cross-border-firing-in-JK/articleshow/17765831.cms
Shiva IYER
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KrishNaarpaNam
entirely vindcated. Now tell me what we should tell the parents of this
soldier, that we are playing cricket with them while their son has
given his blood for the nation.
While we are hosting their cricket team in this misguided venture, these
terror vermin are killing our soldiers at the border. It is a matter
of great shame that we still are interested in conducting ridiculous
peace talks and even more ridiculous cricket series. I would have
loved if it was Aus here instead of these Paaki idiots. It would have
been great if the Aussies were here for an extended series.
Ps C
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Army-jawan-killed-in-cross-border-firing-in-JK/articleshow/17765831.cms
Shiva IYER
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KrishNaarpaNam
Jayen
Dec 26, 2012, 9:20:21 AM12/26/12
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On Dec 26, 7:08 pm, Shiva IYER <om.srig...@gmail.com> wrote:
<snip>
Please take this stuff to a different forum. It has nothing to do with
cricket.
Regards
Jayen
<snip>
Please take this stuff to a different forum. It has nothing to do with
cricket.
Regards
Jayen
Shiva IYER
Dec 26, 2012, 10:44:18 AM12/26/12
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I will continue to post this in this forum as it has EVERYTHING to do
with cricket. Ps do not read this if this does not mean anything to U.
Ps talk to the family of 26/11 victims and ask them what does this
current cricket series mean to them.
Regs
Shiva IYER
with cricket. Ps do not read this if this does not mean anything to U.
Ps talk to the family of 26/11 victims and ask them what does this
current cricket series mean to them.
Regs
Shiva IYER
Mike Holmans
Dec 26, 2012, 10:58:49 AM12/26/12
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On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 07:44:18 -0800 (PST), Shiva IYER
<om.sr...@gmail.com> tapped the keyboard and brought forth:
>I will continue to post this in this forum as it has EVERYTHING to do
>with cricket.
At one level, this is true, in that international sport can eventuate
in matchups between countries which don't necessarily want to play
nice with each other.
However, you are in effect inviting Pakistanis to post their
grievances about acts committed by Indians, resulting in slanging
matches which are certainly not within the purview of this ng.
So please stop posting inflammatory political stuff in a sports
newsgroup.
Cheers,
Mike
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<om.sr...@gmail.com> tapped the keyboard and brought forth:
>I will continue to post this in this forum as it has EVERYTHING to do
>with cricket.
in matchups between countries which don't necessarily want to play
nice with each other.
However, you are in effect inviting Pakistanis to post their
grievances about acts committed by Indians, resulting in slanging
matches which are certainly not within the purview of this ng.
So please stop posting inflammatory political stuff in a sports
newsgroup.
Cheers,
Mike
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Shiva IYER
Dec 26, 2012, 11:30:50 AM12/26/12
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On Wednesday, December 26, 2012 9:28:49 PM UTC+5:30, Mike Holmans wrote:
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> At one level, this is true, in that international sport can eventuate
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> in matchups between countries which don't necessarily want to play
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> nice with each other.
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> However, you are in effect inviting Pakistanis to post their
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> grievances about acts committed by Indians, resulting in slanging
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> matches which are certainly not within the purview of this ng.
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> So please stop posting inflammatory political stuff in a sports
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> newsgroup.
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> Cheers,
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> Mike
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> --
What would U say Mike if it had been a soldier from ur country and ur country
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> At one level, this is true, in that international sport can eventuate
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> in matchups between countries which don't necessarily want to play
>
> nice with each other.
>
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>
> However, you are in effect inviting Pakistanis to post their
>
> grievances about acts committed by Indians, resulting in slanging
>
> matches which are certainly not within the purview of this ng.
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> So please stop posting inflammatory political stuff in a sports
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> newsgroup.
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> Cheers,
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> Mike
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is busy playing sport with the enemy as if nothing happens. It is shocking indeed. And when was the last time we committed atrocities in Paak like they habitually inflict on us. Ps wear the shoes of Hindus at least for a while and U will realize what torment we are going thru because of these Jehaadis.
Mike Holmans
Dec 26, 2012, 11:56:42 AM12/26/12
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On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 08:30:50 -0800 (PST), Shiva IYER
Ireland while the IRA were murdering British soldiers.
And you know what? Yesterday as we sat watching the T20, my (American)
wife remarked that if India and Pakistan can play cricket against each
other, what we should do in the Middle East is to teach the Israelis
and Palestinians to play cricket.
You consider it an outrage that there should be sporting relations
between India and Pakistan. Quite a lot of the rest of the world would
consider it a hopeful sign of an easing of tensions between two states
widely suspected of possessing nuclear weapons.
Ever since the warring city-states of Ancient Greece used to declare
truces for the period of the original Olympic Games, international
sport has been a way in which warring people can come together and
eventually bring peace. You may dislike that and you may be appalled
that any Indian could even think of peace, but yours is the kind of
attitude which keeps long-running wars going. It is therefore
completely inappropriate to a sport newsgroup, and most especially a
cricket newsgroup - whether it is true or not, cricket has always
rather snobbishly believed itself to have moral qualities .
What you are posting just isn't cricket.
Cheers,
Mike
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>On Wednesday, December 26, 2012 9:28:49 PM UTC+5:30, Mike Holmans wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> At one level, this is true, in that international sport can eventuate
>>
>> in matchups between countries which don't necessarily want to play
>>
>> nice with each other.
>>
>>
>>
>> However, you are in effect inviting Pakistanis to post their
>>
>> grievances about acts committed by Indians, resulting in slanging
>>
>> matches which are certainly not within the purview of this ng.
>>
>>
>>
>> So please stop posting inflammatory political stuff in a sports
>>
>> newsgroup.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> At one level, this is true, in that international sport can eventuate
>>
>> in matchups between countries which don't necessarily want to play
>>
>> nice with each other.
>>
>>
>>
>> However, you are in effect inviting Pakistanis to post their
>>
>> grievances about acts committed by Indians, resulting in slanging
>>
>> matches which are certainly not within the purview of this ng.
>>
>>
>>
>> So please stop posting inflammatory political stuff in a sports
>>
>> newsgroup.
>> --
> What would U say Mike if it had been a soldier from ur country and ur country
>is busy playing sport with the enemy as if nothing happens.
We continued to play football and rugby against the Republic of
> What would U say Mike if it had been a soldier from ur country and ur country
>is busy playing sport with the enemy as if nothing happens.
Ireland while the IRA were murdering British soldiers.
And you know what? Yesterday as we sat watching the T20, my (American)
wife remarked that if India and Pakistan can play cricket against each
other, what we should do in the Middle East is to teach the Israelis
and Palestinians to play cricket.
You consider it an outrage that there should be sporting relations
between India and Pakistan. Quite a lot of the rest of the world would
consider it a hopeful sign of an easing of tensions between two states
widely suspected of possessing nuclear weapons.
Ever since the warring city-states of Ancient Greece used to declare
truces for the period of the original Olympic Games, international
sport has been a way in which warring people can come together and
eventually bring peace. You may dislike that and you may be appalled
that any Indian could even think of peace, but yours is the kind of
attitude which keeps long-running wars going. It is therefore
completely inappropriate to a sport newsgroup, and most especially a
cricket newsgroup - whether it is true or not, cricket has always
rather snobbishly believed itself to have moral qualities .
What you are posting just isn't cricket.
Cheers,
Mike
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Unknown
Dec 26, 2012, 1:47:02 PM12/26/12
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On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 16:56:42 +0000, Mike Holmans
<mi...@jackalope.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 08:30:50 -0800 (PST), Shiva IYER
><om.sr...@gmail.com> tapped the keyboard and brought forth:
>
>>On Wednesday, December 26, 2012 9:28:49 PM UTC+5:30, Mike Holmans wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> At one level, this is true, in that international sport can eventuate
>>>
>>> in matchups between countries which don't necessarily want to play
>>>
>>> nice with each other.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> However, you are in effect inviting Pakistanis to post their
>>>
>>> grievances about acts committed by Indians, resulting in slanging
>>>
>>> matches which are certainly not within the purview of this ng.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So please stop posting inflammatory political stuff in a sports
>>>
>>> newsgroup.
>>> --
>> What would U say Mike if it had been a soldier from ur country and ur country
>>is busy playing sport with the enemy as if nothing happens.
>
>We continued to play football and rugby against the Republic of
>Ireland while the IRA were murdering British soldiers.
Irish rugby is 32 county selection,same with cricket and hockey. So
<mi...@jackalope.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 08:30:50 -0800 (PST), Shiva IYER
><om.sr...@gmail.com> tapped the keyboard and brought forth:
>
>>On Wednesday, December 26, 2012 9:28:49 PM UTC+5:30, Mike Holmans wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> At one level, this is true, in that international sport can eventuate
>>>
>>> in matchups between countries which don't necessarily want to play
>>>
>>> nice with each other.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> However, you are in effect inviting Pakistanis to post their
>>>
>>> grievances about acts committed by Indians, resulting in slanging
>>>
>>> matches which are certainly not within the purview of this ng.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So please stop posting inflammatory political stuff in a sports
>>>
>>> newsgroup.
>>> --
>> What would U say Mike if it had been a soldier from ur country and ur country
>>is busy playing sport with the enemy as if nothing happens.
>
>We continued to play football and rugby against the Republic of
>Ireland while the IRA were murdering British soldiers.
not only would England be playing against Ireland, some British
citizens would be playing for Ireland. BBC and RTE had an annual
cricket match throughout the troubles.
Whenever Stanford invited Cuba to play T20 in the West Indies, he was
reminded that as an American he was not permitted to do business with
Cuba without permission from the usa goverment. The government refused
permission and Cuba didn't get to play.
>
>And you know what? Yesterday as we sat watching the T20, my (American)
>wife remarked that if India and Pakistan can play cricket against each
>other, what we should do in the Middle East is to teach the Israelis
>and Palestinians to play cricket.
years ago. Palestinians are involved in Israeli youth cricket. They
play in the European zone.
max.it
tendulkar.com
Dec 26, 2012, 4:41:34 PM12/26/12
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willsutton
Dec 26, 2012, 7:58:14 PM12/26/12
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You sick SOB
goy persey
Dec 26, 2012, 9:44:15 PM12/26/12
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Even have the Yanks on ur side!
Shiva IYER
Dec 26, 2012, 10:19:47 PM12/26/12
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Mike:
So what I have posted is not cricket. Then tell me as to why the
Aussies and the Brits and the Kiwis are not touring Paak and there
are some players that have vocally voiced their opposition to tour
that country and have taken themselves out. So now Paak is playing
U in neutral venues or even at ur home turf. So it is OK then to
involve terrorism and cricket when it comes to the safety of ur
people and players and we, who unfortunately share the border with
a nation that supports terror, have to keep quiet and grin
and bear it. Can U at least ps explain as to why ur teams are
not touring Paak and can U ps explain as to what ur stand is
on this.
Whether we play Paak at home or away, we ALWAYS have to face this
terror threat. Even when they tour us, many come here as spectators
and then become untraceable. Will ur country allow such things in
the name of security. Come on Mike, ps do not patronize me. Thanks.
Shiva IYER
271212
KrishNaarpaNam
So what I have posted is not cricket. Then tell me as to why the
Aussies and the Brits and the Kiwis are not touring Paak and there
are some players that have vocally voiced their opposition to tour
that country and have taken themselves out. So now Paak is playing
U in neutral venues or even at ur home turf. So it is OK then to
involve terrorism and cricket when it comes to the safety of ur
people and players and we, who unfortunately share the border with
a nation that supports terror, have to keep quiet and grin
and bear it. Can U at least ps explain as to why ur teams are
not touring Paak and can U ps explain as to what ur stand is
on this.
Whether we play Paak at home or away, we ALWAYS have to face this
terror threat. Even when they tour us, many come here as spectators
and then become untraceable. Will ur country allow such things in
the name of security. Come on Mike, ps do not patronize me. Thanks.
Shiva IYER
271212
KrishNaarpaNam
krquet
Dec 27, 2012, 6:23:06 AM12/27/12
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in Latin characters to spell out the country names in their native
tongues (Bhaarath, Paak etc.). But in reality, when I read these, they
come across as if you have a speech impediment or are writing in sheep
tongue. Baaa! It's a little distracting rather than helpful, to be
honest. I feel, there's nothing wrong with staying with the
conventional spellings, as long as you know how things are pronounced
correctly. Native speakers already know how their own country names
are pronounced (regardless how they are spelt in Latin characters),
and if you're doing this mostly to help the non-natives, that would be
similar to France actively pushing for Fʁɑ̃s for the foreigners. It
would be rather awkward and impractical.
Cheers.
aA...
hl@yM..
Bob Dubery
Dec 27, 2012, 6:27:50 AM12/27/12
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On Dec 26, 6:56 pm, Mike Holmans <m...@jackalope.demon.co.uk> wrote:
<snip>
blacks and whites playing on the same team or even on opposing teams.
You start playing with them then you might start thinking they're not
so different from you and then what will happen?
<snip>
> We continued to play football and rugby against the Republic of
> Ireland while the IRA were murdering British soldiers.
>
> And you know what? Yesterday as we sat watching the T20, my (American)
> wife remarked that if India and Pakistan can play cricket against each
> other, what we should do in the Middle East is to teach the Israelis
> and Palestinians to play cricket.
>
> You consider it an outrage that there should be sporting relations
> between India and Pakistan. Quite a lot of the rest of the world would
> consider it a hopeful sign of an easing of tensions between two states
> widely suspected of possessing nuclear weapons.
>
> Ever since the warring city-states of Ancient Greece used to declare
> truces for the period of the original Olympic Games, international
> sport has been a way in which warring people can come together and
> eventually bring peace.
Indeed, this is why for some time in SA the government didn't want
> Ireland while the IRA were murdering British soldiers.
>
> And you know what? Yesterday as we sat watching the T20, my (American)
> wife remarked that if India and Pakistan can play cricket against each
> other, what we should do in the Middle East is to teach the Israelis
> and Palestinians to play cricket.
>
> You consider it an outrage that there should be sporting relations
> between India and Pakistan. Quite a lot of the rest of the world would
> consider it a hopeful sign of an easing of tensions between two states
> widely suspected of possessing nuclear weapons.
>
> Ever since the warring city-states of Ancient Greece used to declare
> truces for the period of the original Olympic Games, international
> sport has been a way in which warring people can come together and
> eventually bring peace.
blacks and whites playing on the same team or even on opposing teams.
You start playing with them then you might start thinking they're not
so different from you and then what will happen?
Shiva IYER
Dec 27, 2012, 8:44:09 PM12/27/12
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Here's another sample of routine Islaamic violence and this happened in Germany: and this is the reality that the non-Muslim world must confront and face: And this happens regularly in Bhaarath in the border areas with Bangladesh where Hindu women and children are attacked violently by Islaamic goons and thugs. They openly taunt the Hindu men and tell them that one day they will take over the entire place and threaten them to convert to Islaam. Many Hindus in those areas live in abject terror and fear almost every day of their lives. They do not know as to when they or their near and dear ones will become the victim of Jehaad.
Ps C
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/nri/community/Islamists-attack-Indian-student-in-Germany-slash-tongue/articleshow/17788212.cms
Ps C
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/nri/community/Islamists-attack-Indian-student-in-Germany-slash-tongue/articleshow/17788212.cms
Shiva IYER
Dec 27, 2012, 9:56:00 PM12/27/12
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Another Bhaarath-Bangla border episode:
Cow slaughter is banned in Bangla not because the cow is sacred but because cows have been completely slaughtered out of existence there. Consequently, Jehaadis indulge in rustling of cows across the border from Bhaarath where cows are held sacred at least with the Hindus. Consequently, Jehaadis regularly hound the border Hindus to part with their cows under duress. The harried Hindus then leave their cows in the protection of the BSF (Border Security Force) camps during the night and the cows are thus protected. Frustrated at this, the Jehaadis openly taunt the Hindus during the day in Bengali..
Taaka Bann-ke (Ur money is in the bank)
Gaai Camp-ke (Ur cows are in the camp)
par biwi ghar mein (but ur wife is in the house) which means that they can abduct these Hindu women at will with impunity.
Cow slaughter is banned in Bangla not because the cow is sacred but because cows have been completely slaughtered out of existence there. Consequently, Jehaadis indulge in rustling of cows across the border from Bhaarath where cows are held sacred at least with the Hindus. Consequently, Jehaadis regularly hound the border Hindus to part with their cows under duress. The harried Hindus then leave their cows in the protection of the BSF (Border Security Force) camps during the night and the cows are thus protected. Frustrated at this, the Jehaadis openly taunt the Hindus during the day in Bengali..
Taaka Bann-ke (Ur money is in the bank)
Gaai Camp-ke (Ur cows are in the camp)
par biwi ghar mein (but ur wife is in the house) which means that they can abduct these Hindu women at will with impunity.
Bob Dubery
Dec 27, 2012, 10:18:15 PM12/27/12
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On Dec 28, 3:44 am, Shiva IYER <om.srig...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Here's another sample of routine Islaamic violence and this happened in Germany:
<snip>
> Here's another sample of routine Islaamic violence and this happened in Germany:
I don't mind discussion with you, but if you're just going to ignore
whatever point is I've raised and just sling stuff like I've just
snipped at me then it's broadcasting, preaching, it's one way and I'm
not interested.
willsutton
Dec 27, 2012, 10:25:30 PM12/27/12
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On 28/12/2012 1:56 PM, Shiva IYER wrote:
> Another Bhaarath-Bangla border episode:
>
> Cow slaughter is banned in Bangla not because the cow is sacred but because cows have been completely slaughtered out of existence there. Consequently, Jehaadis indulge in rustling of cows across the border from Bhaarath where cows are held sacred at least with the Hindus. Consequently, Jehaadis regularly hound the border Hindus to part with their cows under duress. The harried Hindus then leave their cows in the protection of the BSF (Border Security Force) camps during the night and the cows are thus protected. Frustrated at this, the Jehaadis openly taunt the Hindus during the day in Bengali..
>
> Taaka Bann-ke (Ur money is in the bank)
> Gaai Camp-ke (Ur cows are in the camp)
AND HERE IS ONE FOR U
> Another Bhaarath-Bangla border episode:
>
> Cow slaughter is banned in Bangla not because the cow is sacred but because cows have been completely slaughtered out of existence there. Consequently, Jehaadis indulge in rustling of cows across the border from Bhaarath where cows are held sacred at least with the Hindus. Consequently, Jehaadis regularly hound the border Hindus to part with their cows under duress. The harried Hindus then leave their cows in the protection of the BSF (Border Security Force) camps during the night and the cows are thus protected. Frustrated at this, the Jehaadis openly taunt the Hindus during the day in Bengali..
>
> Taaka Bann-ke (Ur money is in the bank)
> Gaai Camp-ke (Ur cows are in the camp)
u r a farkn bigot
would you like a translation ?
> par biwi ghar mein (but ur wife is in the house) which means that they can abduct these Hindu women at will with impunity.
Shiva IYER
Dec 27, 2012, 10:26:06 PM12/27/12
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On Friday, December 28, 2012 8:48:15 AM UTC+5:30, Bob Dubery wrote:
>
> I don't mind discussion with you, but if you're just going to ignore
>
> whatever point is I've raised and just sling stuff like I've just
>
> snipped at me then it's broadcasting, preaching, it's one way and I'm
>
> not interested.
Bob: Is bringing out the facts of Islaamic Jehaad broadcasting. Regardless ps tell me. I promise to listen to ur POV fully and then respond.
>
> I don't mind discussion with you, but if you're just going to ignore
>
> whatever point is I've raised and just sling stuff like I've just
>
> snipped at me then it's broadcasting, preaching, it's one way and I'm
>
> not interested.
Shiva IYER
Dec 27, 2012, 10:34:08 PM12/27/12
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On Friday, 28 December 2012 08:55:30 UTC+5:30, willsutton wrote:
> is that what they said on the bus ?
Will Sutton: U call me so many names when all I do is just bring out the facts of Jehaad. I'm amused as to how U feel so much for these Jehaadis. Charming people aren't they?? In case U are not a Muslim, I'm sure they are welcoming U and ur faith with rose petals and garlands and serenade U with praises for peaceful coexistence on this planet. Charming company U keep Sutton. Keep it up. Good for world peace.
> is that what they said on the bus ?
willsutton
Dec 27, 2012, 10:44:28 PM12/27/12
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beliefs I strongly dislike them ....
And basically you are no different from these people, you just cant see
past the nose on your face
Mike Holmans
Dec 28, 2012, 12:01:45 AM12/28/12
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On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 19:26:06 -0800 (PST), Shiva IYER
This is completely the wrong forum for doing so. This newsgroup is
devoted to the discussion of cricket. If you want to complain about
Muslims, go do it in alt.religious-bigotry or alt.wankers and leave
this group to discusss its own business.
Now fuck off and die. Or talk about cricket.
Cheers,
Mike
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devoted to the discussion of cricket. If you want to complain about
Muslims, go do it in alt.religious-bigotry or alt.wankers and leave
this group to discusss its own business.
Now fuck off and die. Or talk about cricket.
Cheers,
Mike
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eusebius
Dec 28, 2012, 1:00:14 AM12/28/12
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On Dec 27, 1:19 pm, Shiva IYER <om.srig...@gmail.com> wrote:
Whatever the givernment, military and individual citizens of Pakistan
have or have not done, it is not the players fault. Yes it is true
that some of the Pakistani players have brought the game into
disrepute, but Pakistan has produced some great players and has some
currently. Surely playing 'cricket brinkmanship' would only exacerbate
tensions.
Whatever the givernment, military and individual citizens of Pakistan
have or have not done, it is not the players fault. Yes it is true
that some of the Pakistani players have brought the game into
disrepute, but Pakistan has produced some great players and has some
currently. Surely playing 'cricket brinkmanship' would only exacerbate
tensions.
Shiva IYER
Dec 28, 2012, 1:03:26 AM12/28/12
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On Friday, 28 December 2012 10:31:45 UTC+5:30, Mike Holmans wrote:
Keep it civil Mike. There is no need to use swear words.
As for living and dying, it's all in the hands of an higher power.
I could also tell U to get lost in the same manner as U
did. But I tell U that ps do not read my posts if U are
not interested in the contents. I posted
this here because it has everything to do with cricket
as going by the stand of the various cricket boards that
refuse to tour Paak today on the issue of terror.
Should I use the swear word too.. naah... It's so easy doing that.
Keep it civil Mike. There is no need to use swear words.
As for living and dying, it's all in the hands of an higher power.
I could also tell U to get lost in the same manner as U
did. But I tell U that ps do not read my posts if U are
not interested in the contents. I posted
this here because it has everything to do with cricket
as going by the stand of the various cricket boards that
refuse to tour Paak today on the issue of terror.
Should I use the swear word too.. naah... It's so easy doing that.
eusebius
Dec 28, 2012, 1:09:01 AM12/28/12
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racial groups in SA didn't, although the Greeks were (probably are) a
notoriously fractious and contentious and even fratricidal people (in
the sense of internecine conflict). What are the differences between
Pakistanis and Indians? They seem rather superficial, not even of a
strictly religious nature, as more Muslims live E of the border than
W. It has to be admitted though, without viewing the world through a
PC prism, that specifically Islamic inspired violence has become more
and more problematic. Not exclusively by any means, nevertheless there
is a genuine global problem. The solution though does not seem to be
cricket boycotts.
eusebius
Dec 28, 2012, 1:11:14 AM12/28/12
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On Dec 28, 3:01 pm, Mike Holmans <m...@jackalope.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 19:26:06 -0800 (PST), Shiva IYER
> <om.srig...@gmail.com> tapped the keyboard and brought forth:
> On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 19:26:06 -0800 (PST), Shiva IYER
even posted fairly sensible cricket related stuff in the past? But I
agree this is just monomania, that is what he has in common with that
other bloke.
Shiva IYER
Dec 28, 2012, 1:12:12 AM12/28/12
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Will Sutton: U may be an atheist but I'm a staunch Hindu.
But that does not make me INTOLERANT of others . I
do not have this agenda of Hinduizing the whole world and
the last thing would be to take to arms in espousing my
beliefs. In today's world most faiths are minding their
own business and going about their day2day lives and
which is the right thing to do
EXCEPT
these hardcore Jehaadis, who take to arms for their crede
at the slightest pretext
and pose a severe threat to all others who do not subscribe
to their thoughts. Other than the twin interrelated
forces of global warming and climate change, Islaamic terror
is the third pillar that has the potential to completely
destroy civilization.
And I reserve every right in standing up to protest against
INTOLERANCE. And moreover, this protest is consistent with
the stance taken by many cricket boards of not touring Paak.
jzfredricks
Dec 28, 2012, 1:48:15 AM12/28/12
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On Friday, December 28, 2012 4:12:12 PM UTC+10, Shiva IYER wrote:
> U may be an atheist but I'm a staunch Hindu.
> But that does not make me INTOLERANT of others .
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it does.
> U may be an atheist but I'm a staunch Hindu.
> But that does not make me INTOLERANT of others .
Like most religious nutters you use your religion to justify violence and intolerance. You ignore whatever (little) good there is about your religion and promote the evil bits.
Your own people (through action, inaction, and public policy) kill a million times as many Indians as anyone else, yet on these matters you are silent.
Then you cry crocodile tears and scream "muslim terrorists!". As if anyone is a) listening and b) cares.
Jayen
Dec 28, 2012, 2:39:55 AM12/28/12
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actually liked. You need to take a principled stand and boycott this
newsgroup. If you continue posting here, you would only prove yourself
to be a lackey of Dawood Ibrahim and would contribute to the shame,
national dishonour and disrespect for the victims of 26/11.
Bob Martin
Dec 28, 2012, 2:48:42 AM12/28/12
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in 1109136 20121226 165642 Mike Holmans <mi...@jackalope.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 08:30:50 -0800 (PST), Shiva IYER
><om.sr...@gmail.com> tapped the keyboard and brought forth:
>
>>On Wednesday, December 26, 2012 9:28:49 PM UTC+5:30, Mike Holmans wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> At one level, this is true, in that international sport can eventuate
>>>
>>> in matchups between countries which don't necessarily want to play
>>>
>>> nice with each other.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> However, you are in effect inviting Pakistanis to post their
>>>
>>> grievances about acts committed by Indians, resulting in slanging
>>>
>>> matches which are certainly not within the purview of this ng.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So please stop posting inflammatory political stuff in a sports
>>>
>>> newsgroup.
>>> --
>> What would U say Mike if it had been a soldier from ur country and ur country
>>is busy playing sport with the enemy as if nothing happens.
>
>We continued to play football and rugby against the Republic of
>Ireland while the IRA were murdering British soldiers.
Not only that, we let them vote in our elections.
>On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 08:30:50 -0800 (PST), Shiva IYER
><om.sr...@gmail.com> tapped the keyboard and brought forth:
>
>>On Wednesday, December 26, 2012 9:28:49 PM UTC+5:30, Mike Holmans wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> At one level, this is true, in that international sport can eventuate
>>>
>>> in matchups between countries which don't necessarily want to play
>>>
>>> nice with each other.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> However, you are in effect inviting Pakistanis to post their
>>>
>>> grievances about acts committed by Indians, resulting in slanging
>>>
>>> matches which are certainly not within the purview of this ng.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So please stop posting inflammatory political stuff in a sports
>>>
>>> newsgroup.
>>> --
>> What would U say Mike if it had been a soldier from ur country and ur country
>>is busy playing sport with the enemy as if nothing happens.
>
>We continued to play football and rugby against the Republic of
>Ireland while the IRA were murdering British soldiers.
Bob Dubery
Dec 28, 2012, 4:13:40 AM12/28/12
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On Dec 28, 8:03 am, Shiva IYER <om.srig...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, 28 December 2012 10:31:45 UTC+5:30, Mike Holmans wrote:
>
> Keep it civil Mike. There is no need to use swear words.
> As for living and dying, it's all in the hands of an higher power.
> I could also tell U to get lost in the same manner as U
> did. But I tell U that ps do not read my posts if U are
> not interested in the contents.
Bah! So nobody should complain about anything? I don't see Mike's
> On Friday, 28 December 2012 10:31:45 UTC+5:30, Mike Holmans wrote:
>
> Keep it civil Mike. There is no need to use swear words.
> As for living and dying, it's all in the hands of an higher power.
> I could also tell U to get lost in the same manner as U
> did. But I tell U that ps do not read my posts if U are
> not interested in the contents.
stand here as being against you but as an expression of concern for
this group and what we discuss here.
> I posted
> this here because it has everything to do with cricket
> as going by the stand of the various cricket boards that
> refuse to tour Paak today on the issue of terror.
subsequent posts look distinctly like wog bashing (where "wog" = "not
like me/us"), so I take it that the real message you want to convey is
nothing to do with cricket and more about something political or
xenophobic. If you must air such views then this is not the forum in
which to do so.
Shiva IYER
Dec 28, 2012, 4:15:47 AM12/28/12
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On Friday, December 28, 2012 1:09:55 PM UTC+5:30, Jayen wrote:
First of all Jayen: Where did I ever say that I hate Muslims. I'm just
speaking against Jehaadi terror to which I HAVE LOST a dear friend
as well as a relative who got seriously injured in the 2006 Mumbai train blasts.
As for me posting here or not posting here... I'm sure none of us own rsc,
U are free to delete this thread at ur will and I'm sure that we do not
need each other's permission to post.
First of all Jayen: Where did I ever say that I hate Muslims. I'm just
speaking against Jehaadi terror to which I HAVE LOST a dear friend
as well as a relative who got seriously injured in the 2006 Mumbai train blasts.
As for me posting here or not posting here... I'm sure none of us own rsc,
U are free to delete this thread at ur will and I'm sure that we do not
need each other's permission to post.
Shiva IYER
Dec 28, 2012, 4:18:38 AM12/28/12
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On Friday, December 28, 2012 2:43:40 PM UTC+5:30, Bob Dubery wrote:
> subsequent posts look distinctly like wog bashing (where "wog" = "not
>
> like me/us"), so I take it that the real message you want to convey is
>
> nothing to do with cricket and more about something political or
>
> xenophobic. If you must air such views then this is not the forum in
>
> which to do so.
Wog bashing ha ha ha.. How can I bash myself. I'm a wog too...
> subsequent posts look distinctly like wog bashing (where "wog" = "not
>
> like me/us"), so I take it that the real message you want to convey is
>
> nothing to do with cricket and more about something political or
>
> xenophobic. If you must air such views then this is not the forum in
>
> which to do so.
There is no need be PC with me. Just tell me as to why ur cricket
boards are not touring Paak. That could also be construed as
a racist decision by those boards.
Shiva IYER
Dec 28, 2012, 4:31:41 AM12/28/12
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On Friday, December 28, 2012 12:18:15 PM UTC+5:30, jzfredricks wrote:
>
>
> Like most religious nutters you use your religion to justify violence and intolerance. You ignore whatever (little) good there is about your religion and promote the evil bits.
>
>
>
> Your own people (through action, inaction, and public policy) kill a million times as many Indians as anyone else, yet on these matters you are silent.
>
>
>
> Then you cry crocodile tears and scream "muslim terrorists!". As if anyone is a) listening and b) cares.
How do U know that I'm a religious nutter. Are U?? Ur response lacks complete logic. Think of a better line of reasoning before U spew. I think
>
>
> Like most religious nutters you use your religion to justify violence and intolerance. You ignore whatever (little) good there is about your religion and promote the evil bits.
>
>
>
> Your own people (through action, inaction, and public policy) kill a million times as many Indians as anyone else, yet on these matters you are silent.
>
>
>
> Then you cry crocodile tears and scream "muslim terrorists!". As if anyone is a) listening and b) cares.
it is time to drop civility with these kinds of inane crap. How does one become a religious nutter if one condemns terror.
jzfredricks
Dec 28, 2012, 5:01:15 AM12/28/12
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On Friday, December 28, 2012 7:31:41 PM UTC+10, Shiva IYER wrote:
> How does one become a religious nutter if one condemns terror.
Oh, there's certainly nothing wrong with *condemning* terrorism.
> How does one become a religious nutter if one condemns terror.
It's the OTHER actions that makes one a nutter.
jzfredricks
Dec 28, 2012, 5:02:16 AM12/28/12
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On Friday, December 28, 2012 7:18:38 PM UTC+10, Shiva IYER wrote:
> Just tell me as to why ur cricket
> boards are not touring Pakistan.
> Just tell me as to why ur cricket
Security risks.
Jayen
Dec 28, 2012, 5:04:25 AM12/28/12
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as you have done in this thread while discussing terror, you have
excluded a whole section of your countrymen from the discussion. That
is typically the sign of a self-obsessed bigot, which is why there is
so much hostility shown by otherwise peaceful posters. This feeling is
intensified when you use "Pakistani" and "Muslim" interchangeably.
None of us owns RSC, but all of us have a responsibility to ensure
that the newsgroup is in good shape and populated by decent citizens.
Some of us have been here for about twenty years and have learnt the
hard way that Indo-Pak flame wars attract a whole bunch of
undesirables who then flood the newsgroup with garbage on a daily
basis. It's extremely tedious then to delete threads, maintain
killfiles and so on. What happens is that some worthy netizens get
sickened and move away, thus leaving the group poorer. We have lost
some excellent posters over the years and don't want the few remaining
good ones to follow them. This is why a number of posters move in very
quickly at the first sign of such pollution and attempt to stem it.
There are several fora in the Internet where people would be happy to
accommodate such a discussion and reply in kind. By posting in a place
where everyone has made it amply clear that this isn't welcomed by
anyone, you are just making a complete nuisance of yourself.
You started by claiming that what you post has everything to do with
cricket and talked about everything from German weirdos to Bangladeshi
cows, none of which anyone out here is remotely interested in. Re-read
the posts that you have made since then and see for yourself how it
appears to others. You have here a group of posters - Mike Holmans,
Will Sutton, JZF tendulkar.com, etc. - who couldn't agree on where the
sun rises, and you have them jointly flaming you. This is a sign that
you need to look again at what you are posting.
Please desist.
Regards,
Jayen
Shiva IYER
Dec 28, 2012, 5:15:06 AM12/28/12
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On Friday, December 28, 2012 3:34:25 PM UTC+5:30, Jayen wrote:
U are talking to me as if I am very new here. I have also been posting on rsc for eons now and I have had my share of battles with fellow posters here. My logic is still the same. If the cricket boards of the West can take extreme care about their citizens and their players regarding playing Paak (and rightfully so), why can't we do the same. Why are we labelled as bigots when we protest against terror and actual deaths and horrific injuries of kith and kin. Sorry man, U got me figured completely wrong. And what is wrong when I use the word Hindu. Oh.. I forgot it is not PC. So what do U want me to do.. Just keep quiet and cheer for the Paak team and wait for the next terror attack to take place so that we can all mourn for the victims again..
U are talking to me as if I am very new here. I have also been posting on rsc for eons now and I have had my share of battles with fellow posters here. My logic is still the same. If the cricket boards of the West can take extreme care about their citizens and their players regarding playing Paak (and rightfully so), why can't we do the same. Why are we labelled as bigots when we protest against terror and actual deaths and horrific injuries of kith and kin. Sorry man, U got me figured completely wrong. And what is wrong when I use the word Hindu. Oh.. I forgot it is not PC. So what do U want me to do.. Just keep quiet and cheer for the Paak team and wait for the next terror attack to take place so that we can all mourn for the victims again..
Shiva IYER
Dec 28, 2012, 5:20:16 AM12/28/12
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And BTW, Jayen.. I live here in Bhaarath now right in the thick of things. If U an NRI posting here, then I'm afraid that U do not have the full picture of what is happening at the ground level here today. I know so many in and around the place that I live and move about (and believe me, many of them are cricket fanatics), who are COMPLETELY INCENSED at this travesty of a series. And included among these are a couple of Muslims themselves who feel that it was not a good decision to host Paak till the culprits behind the dastardly and fiendish acts of 26/11 are brought to the book by the non-cooperative Paak Govt. Regs.
Shiva IYER
Dec 28, 2012, 5:28:18 AM12/28/12
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It seems to me that only people like U have the right to tell what
goes and what does not.
Anyways U will realize what I'm talking about in the coming decades.
Bob Dubery
Dec 28, 2012, 5:28:55 AM12/28/12
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series has Pakistan visiting India. Pakistan will soon be visiting SA
- so both countries are as equally open to sporting contact with
Pakistan.
Do India play against Pakistan IN Pakistan? There are not unfounded
security concerns on the part of many countries regarding fixtures IN
Pakistan.
You seem to be comparing two fruits of a different kind.
jzfredricks
Dec 28, 2012, 6:04:48 AM12/28/12
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On Friday, December 28, 2012 8:28:18 PM UTC+10, Shiva IYER wrote:
> > Security risks.
> Security risks for U but a bigotry stance when it comes to wogs like me.
Are there serious security risks in India?
> > Security risks.
> Security risks for U but a bigotry stance when it comes to wogs like me.
If so, then no, Pakistan shouldn't tour India.
willsutton
Dec 28, 2012, 6:05:05 AM12/28/12
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On 28/12/2012 5:12 PM, Shiva IYER wrote:
>
> Will Sutton: U may be an atheist but I'm a staunch Hindu.
> But that does not make me INTOLERANT of others
bULLSHIT
>
> Will Sutton: U may be an atheist but I'm a staunch Hindu.
> But that does not make me INTOLERANT of others
you are like the loonies that brainwash idiots to launch terrorists
attacks in the name of Allah ..
actually the only difference between you and them are that you are Hindu
and they are Muslims
goy persey
Dec 28, 2012, 10:42:30 AM12/28/12
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Mr Iyer I hope you dont post about pikis and get abused!
Al Qaeda are terrorists, not all pakis, Hindus killed a lot of Sikhs after Mrs Gandhi's murder??
jzfredricks
Dec 28, 2012, 4:21:46 PM12/28/12
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On Saturday, December 29, 2012 1:42:30 AM UTC+10, goy persey wrote:
> Hindus killed a lot of Sikhs after Mrs Gandhi's murder?
They were only semi-staunch Hindus though.
> Hindus killed a lot of Sikhs after Mrs Gandhi's murder?
eusebius
Dec 28, 2012, 10:05:48 PM12/28/12
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Uday Rajan
Dec 28, 2012, 10:44:47 PM12/28/12
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On Thursday, December 27, 2012 6:23:06 AM UTC-5, krquet wrote:
> I think you feel clever or justified by adapting phonetic approaches
> in Latin characters to spell out the country names in their native
> tongues (Bhaarath, Paak etc.).
I don't know about clever or justified, but it looks distinctly unconstitutional to me. After all, Article 1 of India's constitution starts out with "India, that is Bharat,..."
> I think you feel clever or justified by adapting phonetic approaches
> in Latin characters to spell out the country names in their native
> tongues (Bhaarath, Paak etc.).
I don't know about clever or justified, but it looks distinctly unconstitutional to me. After all, Article 1 of India's constitution starts out with "India, that is Bharat,..."
Shiva IYER
Dec 29, 2012, 4:38:27 AM12/29/12
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On Saturday, December 29, 2012 9:14:47 AM UTC+5:30, Uday Rajan wrote:
Mr Uday:
I'm sure that U are from the same country as me and
am sure that U are aware of our heritage. Is there
any necessity to make such patronizing remarks.
I've been tutored in the Vedas for almost 8 years
of my life. If U are interested I can give U
links of the Website where I have recently
released a CD of Vedic Ghanam chanting. That
could give U a clue as to why I choose to
spell the name of my ancient land in this way.
I rarely like to talk of what I do and do not
do.. but sarcastic posts like this compel me to
do so. I'll email U my U-tube channel link
so that U know that I'm not after any publicity
here.
Shouldn't ur name be spelt as Raajan istead
of Rajan so that I would help our foreign
friends here to get the pronunciation of
your name right.
Of course I can expect more dismissal and sarcasm
for this post. But sometimes the book is
more than what the cover tells U.
In all humility
Shiva IYER
291212
KrishNaarPaNam
Mr Uday:
I'm sure that U are from the same country as me and
am sure that U are aware of our heritage. Is there
any necessity to make such patronizing remarks.
I've been tutored in the Vedas for almost 8 years
of my life. If U are interested I can give U
links of the Website where I have recently
released a CD of Vedic Ghanam chanting. That
could give U a clue as to why I choose to
spell the name of my ancient land in this way.
I rarely like to talk of what I do and do not
do.. but sarcastic posts like this compel me to
do so. I'll email U my U-tube channel link
so that U know that I'm not after any publicity
here.
Shouldn't ur name be spelt as Raajan istead
of Rajan so that I would help our foreign
friends here to get the pronunciation of
your name right.
Of course I can expect more dismissal and sarcasm
for this post. But sometimes the book is
more than what the cover tells U.
In all humility
Shiva IYER
291212
KrishNaarPaNam
Shiva IYER
Dec 29, 2012, 4:48:49 AM12/29/12
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On Friday, December 28, 2012 9:12:30 PM UTC+5:30, goy persey wrote:
> Fucker shows his true colors, fuck off and die? Jesu fukking Christ!
>
> Mr Iyer I hope you dont post about pikis and get abused!
>
> Al Qaeda are terrorists, not all pakis, Hindus killed a lot of Sikhs after Mrs Gandhi's murder??
Mr Persey: No problems, I've shrugged this off. Actually I'm used to this
> Fucker shows his true colors, fuck off and die? Jesu fukking Christ!
>
> Mr Iyer I hope you dont post about pikis and get abused!
>
> Al Qaeda are terrorists, not all pakis, Hindus killed a lot of Sikhs after Mrs Gandhi's murder??
esp when it comes this topic of terror not only on rsc but in other walks
of my life where I have spoken my mind in regards to Paak and its unholy
acts in sponsoring international terror. There are no hidden agendas for me
in this regard. But I believe that people can disagree without being
uncivil. Mr. Mark has got every right as me to express his views but
unfortunately he lost his temper. But that's OK. Another day another
thread and even harder battles. That is the beauty of this forum.
I been through this b4 on this forum and yet I love it and all its
characters.
Shiva IYER
Dec 29, 2012, 4:58:35 AM12/29/12
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Also Mr. Persey:
The passing of away of cricket legends like TG and the retirement of
an A-class cricketer like Mike Hussey dwarfs all these. Let us
take time to mourn the death of this remarkable Greig and also
raise a toast to Mike Hussey for giving us great fighting memories.
Mike Hussey has also come across as a top class gentleman and
has always held himself with great dignity.
The passing of away of cricket legends like TG and the retirement of
an A-class cricketer like Mike Hussey dwarfs all these. Let us
take time to mourn the death of this remarkable Greig and also
raise a toast to Mike Hussey for giving us great fighting memories.
Mike Hussey has also come across as a top class gentleman and
has always held himself with great dignity.
Uday Rajan
Dec 29, 2012, 10:26:14 AM12/29/12
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On Saturday, December 29, 2012 4:38:27 AM UTC-5, Shiva IYER wrote:
> On Saturday, December 29, 2012 9:14:47 AM UTC+5:30, Uday Rajan wrote:
>
> Is there any necessity to make such patronizing remarks.
Hmm...Yes, indeed, I admit, I was scoring a debating point, but that's really no different from the vast majority of conversation that takes place on rsc. Someone says player X is great, someone says he is lousy, and various statistics and facts are pulled out to make one case or the other. I do not see such dialog as patronizing. Sports fans routinely engage in such debates, so that if someone wants to introduce other topics into sports fora, it is but natural to continue the same debating forms.
> On Saturday, December 29, 2012 9:14:47 AM UTC+5:30, Uday Rajan wrote:
>
> Is there any necessity to make such patronizing remarks.
Is it sarcastic? Perhaps, to the extent that many debates contain elements of sarcasm. I see it as less sarcastic than, say, characterizing player X as a "flat-wicket bully" or indeed calling an erstwhile bowler we are all fond of "Seven-an-over".
But let us not forget that such debates also introduce facts. I introduced a fact, which is that India as a country, through its constitution, has expressed a desire that it be known as "Bharat". I submit the fact is not in dispute, though anyone is free to try and dispute it. You are, of course, free to use any term or word for India. But the Indian people as a whole have chosen Bharat.
By the way, speaking of patronizing, I think it's patronizing to refer to a group of people using their language. I am reliably informed that in Bengali, Bengal is known as "Banga" or "Bangladesh". "Bangla" is the language, and using that term is akin to calling Hindus Hindi.
> Shouldn't ur name be spelt as Raajan istead
> of Rajan so that I would help our foreign
> friends here to get the pronunciation of
> your name right.
Also, from my limited knowledge of European languages, there are at least a few of them in which the default pronunciation of "a" is "aa", and in which the double "aa" is quite rare, if used at all. For example, Germany's leader is not "Aangelaa Merkel".
> Of course I can expect more dismissal and sarcasm
> for this post.
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