There is nothing wrong in losing. But trouble with Dravid and Charu
was that they blame others, circumstances and invents excuses. People
lose trust in a person who gives excuses, believing that if forces
could conspire against him in the one instance, then they could do so
again. The person who who supplies excuses is in effect says "I am
subject to influence". He implies, "I may mislead you again, and it
won't be my fault then, either.".
Dravid talks all kind of crap and excuses "Top Order is not clicking",
"We don't have good openers", "There wasn't enough time to prepare",
"we didn't get the needed breakthrough", "foreign players didn't come
in time to develop team bonding", "20x20 is pure luck, any thing could
happen", "If only this had been test match", "All these 20x20 so
called experts are not even worth for Ranji trophy, Bangalore team is
the best". And 1000 more excuses.
As a owner, I hardly give a damn. If a man comes up to me and say, "I
made a mistake". I can understand that. And I don't mind giving him
another chance to correct his mistake. But when a man always blames
the circumstances and other people, what is the guarantee that he
won't do his excuse giving game next time also.
Well Mallya has to take some blame here too. After all he was the one
who hired Dravid and Charu and put all his faith in them. Admittedly
in hind sight that was a bad move. He himself is playing the game that
he is accusing Dravid of :)
Raghu
Mallya is admitting that he made a Mistake hiring Charu and let Rahul
select the Test team.
Is Rahul and Charu admitting that they made a mistake? Or do they
blame lack of good practice grounds bangalore for their defeat?
When you admit a mistake you take responsibility. When you give
excuses, you blame circumstances. People who blame circumstances never
improve themselves. Because they think they made no mistake. Mallya
Instinctively knows that, Rahul and Charu 'll go on to blame
circumstances next year also. I think Mallya is showing great business
sense here. In business good employees are the ones who have least
number of excuses.
My God. You figured all this out by yourself?
And, if I may ask, where is the link to substantiate your story?
Enzo [ Bangalore sucks OK ]
> Is Rahul and Charu admitting that they made a mistake? Or do they
> blame lack of good practice grounds bangalore for their defeat?
>
But then Rahul is not like the thousands of minions that slave for
Mallya. He is an iconic cricket player who has made his millions and
is only using this opportunity to further his own agenda. So expecting
him to go to Mallya saying he failed sounds naive to me.
> When you admit a mistake you take responsibility. When you give
> excuses, you blame circumstances. People who blame circumstances never
> improve themselves. Because they think they made no mistake. Mallya
> Instinctively knows that, Rahul and Charu 'll go on to blame
> circumstances next year also. I think Mallya is showing great business
> sense here. In business good employees are the ones who have least
> number of excuses.
>
Mallya is defintely cutting his losses as any shrewed businessman
will. He was stupid in the first place to have to have hired the wrong
set of people to run the team. As a owner it is easy for him to get
out of the mess blaming his direct reports I don't think Rahul could
get out of the mess that easily. So Rahul was only using this
opportunity to redeem himself, pathetically if I may add, as a player
and captain of reckoning in the shorter version of the game!
Raghu
> It is not the same though. As a owner if he finds his employees are
> not delivering up to his expectations he can easily blame them and
> fire them.
>
> But then Rahul is not like the thousands of minions that slave for
> Mallya. He is an iconic cricket player who has made his millions and
> is only using this opportunity to further his own agenda. So expecting
> him to go to Mallya saying he failed sounds naive to me.
>
> Mallya is defintely cutting his losses as any shrewed businessman
> will. He was stupid in the first place to have to have hired the wrong
> set of people to run the team. As a owner it is easy for him to get
> out of the mess blaming his direct reports I don't think Rahul could
> get out of the mess that easily. So Rahul was only using this
> opportunity to redeem himself, pathetically if I may add, as a player
> and captain of reckoning in the shorter version of the game!
Raghu - this is not a personal attack. But some of your comments are
anachronistic in the post-IPL world. Mallya has built a decent empire
in liquor and now has moved on successfully to other businesses.
Nobody slaves for him. Blame games only go so far in running a
corporation.
Dravid's previous status is no reason for him to nurture his own ego.
Clearly Rahul's comments are also out of sync with the times ("Test
cricket is a true test of a player...."). IPL will take on a
ruthlessly professional turn, if it hasnt already. Perform or perish.
Pre-IPL, it was always someone else's money being thrown around. You
could select anyone, shrug your shoulders and say - "the boys played
badly" or whatever crap you could think of. People are pouring big
money into the teams and will expect to get results.
Actually, im schocked that Mallya thought Charu knew cricket. Anyone
who's tried to listen to his verbal diahorrea prior to cricket games
would have a diametrically opposite opinion. Am sure there were better
people to trust your millions on than Charu Sharma. Though Dravid was
a legacy given his icon status, Mallya did not show good business
sense given his approach so far. Its a lost cause at this stage.
talking about Charu Sharma's verbal diahorrea. :-)
Here is a sample from Charu's recent interview:
--
The whole controversy is irrelevant. Frankly speaking, it is a trivial
issue and doesn't deserve the attention it is getting. All those
creating such a big ruckus are looking for publicity and the least we
can do is not to allow them to get away with it.
--
What does " the least we can do is not to allow them to get away with
it" supposed to mean?
Totaltully, no worries, anachronistic sounds like a praise considering
the other words that gets thrown around by some of the immature
posters here :) Fyi, I'm well aware of the progress of India Inc., and
there have been quite a few successful businessmen in India in the
last few decades who have made their mark and millions with the right
type of corporate culture and attitude (whatever that can be).
My point is Mallya is as culpable as Dravid is for the mess that BRC
has now become. As the owner of the team he wields more privileges
than Dravid does. For him to come out openly attacking Dravid makes it
sound like he is willing to air his own dirty laundry out to the
public. Don't get me wrong here, I do think he has the right to fire
Dravid or Rahul on the basis of performance but he should have handled
this professionally with less media statements that pointed more
fingers outwardly than inwards..
>
> Dravid's previous status is no reason for him to nurture his own ego.
> Clearly Rahul's comments are also out of sync with the times ("Test
> cricket is a true test of a player...."). IPL will take on a
> ruthlessly professional turn, if it hasnt already. Perform or perish.
> Pre-IPL, it was always someone else's money being thrown around. You
> could select anyone, shrug your shoulders and say - "the boys played
> badly" or whatever crap you could think of. People are pouring big
> money into the teams and will expect to get results.
>
> Actually, im schocked that Mallya thought Charu knew cricket. Anyone
> who's tried to listen to his verbal diahorrea prior to cricket games
> would have a diametrically opposite opinion. Am sure there were better
> people to trust your millions on than Charu Sharma. Though Dravid was
> a legacy given his icon status, Mallya did not show good business
> sense given his approach so far. Its a lost cause at this stage.
Actually I had never heard of Charu Sharma before he got fired :)
Raghu
>
> My point is Mallya is as culpable as Dravid is for the mess that BRC
> has now become. As the owner of the team he wields more privileges
> than Dravid does. For him to come out openly attacking Dravid makes it
> sound like he is willing to air his own dirty laundry out to the
> public. Don't get me wrong here, I do think he has the right to fire
> Dravid or Rahul on the basis of performance but he should have handled
> this professionally with less media statements that pointed more
> fingers outwardly than inwards..
>
Well sounds like we dont disagree on anything then. If its a lost
cause - he might as well air his frustrations openly. Hes never been
known to be glib or slick.
This Mallya character is a real piece of work. A rat abandoning a
sinking ship. Just read a story that he wanted Dhoni, Uthappa, and
McCullum. Once he had shelled out the required cash for those dudes,
he would have had just enough money left under the cap to pick up 7
Sunil Joshis to round off the playing XI.
Just wait till the end of the tourney, he will say "I had wanted
{insert orange cap owner}, {insert purple cap owner], and {insert man
of the tournament]".
In any tourney, some teams will underperform while others will outdo
expectations. That's sports. Look at Deccan. Many commentators were
thinking they had the best squad before the tourney started and they
are currently no higher than B'lore in the standings. Yet, their
owners are not publicly ridiculing their captain and other players.
The nature of the 20/20 game is such that if the season started
tomorrow, it would not be a shocker to see Deccan and B'lore at the
top of the standings 4 or 5 weeks from now.
>In any tourney, some teams will underperform while others will outdo
>expectations. That's sports. Look at Deccan. Many commentators were
>thinking they had the best squad before the tourney started and they
>are currently no higher than B'lore in the standings. Yet, their
>owners are not publicly ridiculing their captain and other players.
I agree with that.
>The nature of the 20/20 game is such that if the season started
>tomorrow, it would not be a shocker to see Deccan and B'lore at the
>top of the standings 4 or 5 weeks from now.
But I don't agree with the premise that underlies this paragraph.
T20 is not as random as a coin toss, and it will become even less
random as time goes on. T20 is still a young format, and people are
still discovering things about how to play in it. Some day, someone
will hit on a T20 tactic as revolutionary in its way as the all-out
assault from ball one was when the likes of Greatbatch, Botham and
subsequently Jayasuriya launched it on an unsuspecting odo world.
But that doesn't mean that there aren't good and bad ways of playing
T20, which is obviously the pre-requisite for a tournament to have a
non-random result. That some teams are winning consistently points to
their having worked things out better than their opponents.
The pre-tournament tipping of the Deccan team seems to be based on the
misconception that having a powerful batting line-up is the be-all and
end-all of T20. As I have frequently pointed out, though, the teams
that generally do best at T20 are the ones with the best bowlers. If
you give away 220 every time, then you need an immensely powerful
batting unit; if, on the other hand, you can regularly restrict your
opponents to 155, you only need a decent one. Deccan's overseas
bowlers are pretty useless - Symonds egregiously so - so it was up to
the local talent to step up, and they are probably not good enough
yet.
Cheers,
Mike
--
> This Mallya character is a real piece of work. A rat abandoning a
> sinking ship.
After the dust settles of IPL Season 1, guess who will be left holding
the BRC tar baby. Take a wild guess - Dravid, Charu Sharma, Lalit
Modi? Nope. Its the johnny that spent the highest dollar amount on
buying a franchise (if you ignore the 300K higher that Ambanis paid
for Mumbai).
Guess who will have the lowest gate collections and sponsorships next
season? Deccan Chargers and Bangalore RC (unless we have new
franchises - which i think we will have 4 more of).
Read Mike Holmans response. T20 is a genuine form of cricket. The team
that wins will not be the one who's captain says "The boys batted/
bowled/caught/played/boozed badly". Intense performance, focus on a
consistent basis is what will help win a tournament. Mallya made bad
choices as owner - that doesnt mean he loses rights to make his
displeasure known.
A couple of flaws in your logic
i) If results were the indicator of Gate Collections, India wouldn't
have been the cricketing powerhouse
ii) How do you know a captain isn't intense when he says we batted
badly?
A lot of this T20 stars may also be like Internet Stocks of 2000. In
the end, you invest with boring Warren Buffett who knows how to play
straight and sticking to basics. People publicly ridiculed Buffett in
1999/2000 for his Test Match approach to investing not dissimilar to
Dravids approach to T20 which is being mocked now. In the end Class
will prevail. May be there is no analogy between Buffett and Dravid.
Dravid may turn out to be a dud, but he may also turn out to be a
visionary like the oracle of omaha. Only time will tell.
Again, I may sound like a huge Dravid fan. I'm 10 times more of a
Sachin/Gilly fan than Rahul. But, I totally see his point of view and
If I were Mallya would have supported him more than the support he is
receiving now
It is one thing to constantly micromanage lazy bums like Yuvraj,
Zaheer, & Srinath. But, anyone who questions the commitment of Sachin,
Rahul, Kumble in any form of cricket is truly an idiot.
Big diffrence. Team India brand has been built over decades, hence
fluctuations in results don't have a major impact on gate collections.
But Royal Challengers is a fledgling brand, so initial results do
matter a lot. You don't have to win all the matches, but you at least
need to be competitive to put bums on seats.
But I don't think it is gate money that Mallya is worried about. His
main concern would be the hit his brands are taking by associating
with this bunch of losers. He is of course exacerbating it through his
public statements and thus strengthening the association even further
in the minds of the public. A hands-off approach with statements like,
"this is sport, anything can happen, at the end of the day what
matters is that they are trying their best" etc would have at least
shown him and by extension his brands in better light, probably.
> A lot of this T20 stars may also be like Internet Stocks of 2000. In
> the end, you invest with boring Warren Buffett who knows how to play
> straight and sticking to basics. People publicly ridiculed Buffett in
> 1999/2000 for his Test Match approach to investing not dissimilar to
> Dravids approach to T20 which is being mocked now. In the end Class
> will prevail. May be there is no analogy between Buffett and Dravid.
> Dravid may turn out to be a dud, but he may also turn out to be a
> visionary like the oracle of omaha. Only time will tell.
This is no temporary loss of form. Dravid and most of the team he has
assembled have been known to be duds in limited overs format for a
long time. But what irks most is that he hasn't even made best use of
the resources he has by benching the likes of Taylor, White and
Misbah. No, fact that they have failed in some of the matches is
irrelevant. They are still the best in the squad when it comes to T20.
But all is not lost. If Bracken and Steyn are both available next
year, our bowling will be pretty good and play 2 of Taylor, White and
Misbah, dig out some local big hitters in the next 10 month period and
we should be able to compete better next time.
Mohan
The thing that amazes me is that Bangalore has recruited from halfway across
the world a man they have given the grand title of Chief Cricket Officer,
yet that person is apparently immune from the current bout of criticism. If
the problems are on the pitch, wouldn't the Chief Cricket Officer be the man
who was in the firing line rather than the CEO?
Andrew
He gets off lightly largely because no one knows what he is supposed
to be doing and also he wasn't part of the auction, I think.
Mohan
Mohan - im no authority on the professional soccer leagues in Europe.
That is the closest parallel to IPL T20. Folks go in to a test match
bcos of patriotic/jingoistic reasons. If the quality of cricket is not
good, no one is going to walk into a T20 IPL game.
Think of Reebok or Airtel. In FY09 would they rather send a cheque to
Kolkatta KR for 5mn or send 3mn to BRC? In effect, more than not pull
his weight this year, Rahul and team have made a dent in future
earnings for Mallya. There is any amount of hearsay going on about why
the Joshis and Akhils are playing for BRC. However, only Dravid is
accountable for performance. And by all means, he hasnt denied that
the team selection was solely. This is not a question of commitment.
Make me the CEO of BRC, i will be committed as heck. Will i be able to
turn things around - different ballgame altogether.
If you think these sums dont matter to the owners - look at SRK
sending the likes of Ranadeb home. Ranadeb is a solid Ranji performer
and was worth a shot or atleast to being kept on the bench. Instead
KKR chose to save 200-300K by sending 5 players home.
This is the post IPL cricket world.
How exactly is he saving the money? Is the salary contingent
on appearances or performance or something like that? That
would be vastly different from most professional leagues,
where there is a fixed base salary plus bonuses.
If the base salary ( the bid amount ) in IPL is based on
performances/appearances or if it can be pro-rata adjusted
against player dismissal, this makes matters a lot more
tense for everyone, especially the players. I would take
the first opportunity in that case to get rid of Murali
Karthik, Akash Chopra and Ajit Agarkar. They are no more
needed this season anyway.
Cheers.
> This is the post IPL cricket world.- Hide quoted text -
That's what I said. It was tendulkar.com who gave the example of
Indian team and I think your disagreement is with him.
> Think of Reebok or Airtel. In FY09 would they rather send a cheque to
> Kolkatta KR for 5mn or send 3mn to BRC? In effect, more than not pull
> his weight this year, Rahul and team have made a dent in future
> earnings for Mallya.
I agree. Whether he intended his own brands to be the sole sponsors
for the team or planned to get some outside sponsors, the loss of
revenue because of non-performance this year is definitely there.
> the team selection was solely. This is not a question of commitment.
> Make me the CEO of BRC, i will be committed as heck. Will i be able to
> turn things around - different ballgame altogether.
Again agree. Just being committed is not enough, you have to deliver.
Again, it was tendulkar.com who turned it into a question of
commitment.
> If you think these sums dont matter to the owners - look at SRK
> sending the likes of Ranadeb home. Ranadeb is a solid Ranji performer
> and was worth a shot or atleast to being kept on the bench. Instead
> KKR chose to save 200-300K by sending 5 players home.
KKR still need to pay them salaries. Only savings will be in hotel
expenses.
Mohan
Since his team is named after a whisky, I would have assumed sales of
his brand would increase with each loss.
> That's what I said. It was tendulkar.com who gave the example of
> Indian team and I think your disagreement is with him.
>
>
> KKR still need to pay them salaries. Only savings will be in hotel
> expenses.
>
> Mohan- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Mohan - sorry to take up space by pointing my disagreements your way.
It was tendulkar.com that i was disagreeging with.
Also, i stand corrected on the cost savings front -
http://www.ibnlive.com/news/srks-knight-riders-send-five-players-packing/65184-5.html.
Good stuff, Mike. I agree with your disagreement of my intial
premise :-)
An owner expressing his disappointment is one thing but an owner
ridiculing his players and backstabbing his captain while the tourney
is still ongoing is quite another. Hence, my "piece of work" and
"rat" commments.
Actually No. Just like an Amitabh Bacchan movie, the more hits B'lore
takes, the more drama Mallya+Media creates, the sweeter the Victory
is. Or the plot gets thicker, Mallya auctions off Dravid and Kallis to
the lowest bidder of $10000 and Warne buys them. Dravid and Kallis
both partner to hit 40 Ball Centuries against B'lore Royal Challengers
IPL will fail or succeed collectively. If the rest of India likes IPL
and assigns prestige to it, Bangalore fans like Red Sox will have to
follow it for better or worse and just like WC 1983 it just needs a
tournament win to convert people en masse.
Bottomline, if you think IPL is a long term success, Mallya has
nothing to worry about.
> But I don't think it is gate money that Mallya is worried about. His
> main concern would be the hit his brands are taking by associating
> with this bunch of losers.
PR Rule #1: There is no such thing as negative publicity (Unless
Mallya is a murderer or have perpetuated a serious crime, every
mention of Royal Challengers in any form in the media is a huge PR
success. Sponsors like Nike and Reebok also knows that). So, the real
question is still whether IPL is successful or not. BRC's own
individual success doesn't matter. In fact if BRC creates this much
drama without actually winning, all the more good. May be Mallya knows
this and just playing along, you never know
> He is of course exacerbating it through his
> public statements and thus strengthening the association even further
> in the minds of the public. A hands-off approach with statements like,
> "this is sport, anything can happen, at the end of the day what
> matters is that they are trying their best" etc would have at least
> shown him and by extension his brands in better light, probably.
See above. May be it is a deliberate ploy. Since he can't be a Shah
Rukh Khan, he is being Mallya and getting his share of publicity
>
> This is no temporary loss of form. Dravid and most of the team he has
> assembled have been known to be duds in limited overs format for a
> long time.
Only time will tell. Dravid, Kallis, C'Paul have a pretty decent ODI
record, definitely better than the Afridi's of this world
>But what irks most is that he hasn't even made best use of
> the resources he has by benching the likes of Taylor, White and
> Misbah.
It is very hard to find the right combination especially with the
restriction of 4 foreign players. Again, do not discount the amount of
contribution by random luck in team's victory
See my reply to Mohan on your concerns of future earnings potential.
If IPL is a long term success, BRC has nothing to worry about. If IPL
is entertainment, BRC has nothing to worry about.
The exact opposite example makes as much sense.
If you make 90 everytime, then you need an immensely powerful
bowling unit, on the other hand, if you can regularly make 170, then
you need only a decent bowling unit.
Fair enough.
> PR Rule #1: There is no such thing as negative publicity (Unless
> Mallya is a murderer or have perpetuated a serious crime, every
> mention of Royal Challengers in any form in the media is a huge PR
> success. Sponsors like Nike and Reebok also knows that).
Probably. But then there is also the issue of image. Mallya and his
brands are associated with flamboyance. Even if Bangalore had lost all
their matches, if they had gone down all guns blazing with some flashy
players like Dhoni, Yuvraj, Jadeja et al, then probably Mallya
wouldn't have minded. But this stodgy bunch that Dravid has assembled
are everything Mallya isn't. Here's an expert who shares that view:
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Liquor/Now_Mallyas_Royal_Challenge_slips_behind_Blenders_Pride/articleshow/3041021.cms
<quote>
"It is entirely expected of Mr Mallya to have a hawk’s eye on his
brand‘s fundamentals. By hitching the brand to IPL, Royal Challenge
has extended itself to real-life experience from just a product. And
the public at large draw their own conclusions on the brand from the
experience," argued Brand Finance, a UK-headquartered brand valuation
firm, MD Unni Krishnan.
"The original strategy behind it was a masterstroke. But associating
with IPL had its own risks which is getting apparent now. He knows it
is unrealistic to believe that the brand’s sales and the team’s
performance are unrelated even though value erosion may not be
overnight," Mr Krishnan added.
</quote>
But you may be right too. Mallya's outburst could just be a way of
attracting attention towards himself and getting some publicity even
in defeat.
Mohan