Lunch with G.R. Viswanath
Muralidhar Rangaswamy
I had the pleasure of going out to lunch with G.R. Viswanath, chairman
board of selectors, this afternoon. Viswanath is a very sociable person
and easy to talk to. I had the opportunity to discuss quite a few things
about cricket with him. Below are his answers to my questions. I hope it makes
for enjoyable reading.
Me: What do you rate as your best innings in test cricket?
GRV: 139 against WI at Calcutta in 1974-75 is the best innings I have played.
Me: How about the 97* when Roberts was all hellfire and brimstone at Chepauk
in the same series?
GRV: In this innings, since we were losing wickets regularly, I decided to go
for my shots. It was one of those days when they (my shots) came off.
However, at Calcutta I needed to build the innings and stay at the wicket
for a long time.
Me: How about the 100 at Lords in 1979?
GRV: Useful innings. I am happy it helped us save the match after we were
bowled out for 96 in the first innings.
Me: Who is the best fast bowler you have played against?
GRV: Andy Roberts, Michael Holding, Dennis Lillee and Imran Khan were
the best bowlers I have faced. Hard to pick anyone of them as the best.
Me: Who is the best fast bowler in the world at Present?
GRV: Wasim Akram. Waqar Younis and Curtly Ambrose are not far behind.
Me: Who was the best batsman in your times?
GRV: I rate Viv Ricahrds and Ian Chappel as the best batsmen of my time.
Me: Who is the best batsman in the world at present?
GRV: Brian Lara and Sachin Tendulkar are the two best batsmen in the world
at present. Each is brilliant in his own way. Difficult to say who's
the better of the two.
Me: Who was the best spin bowler you have played against?
GRV: John Gleeson, Ashley Mallet and Abdul Quadir were all good spin bowlers
during my playing days.
Me: How about the Indian spin quartet?
GRV: They were all excellent. Too bad I could not face them in tests.
Me: Who is the best spinner in the world at present?
GRV: Shane Warne.
Regards,
Muralidhar Rangaswamy
Spaceman Spiff
says:
>
>>Best bowlers he's faced : Roberts, Holding, Lillee and Imran.
>
>them. Yes Viswanath has forgotten more about cricket than virtually
>anyone on the net knows, and yet the above is just that, a subjective
>opinion.
>
>Let me take a shot at this -- the best bowler's he has faced, is just
>that -- the fast bowlers who gave him most trouble. For instance, he
>did not play Hadlee much; had he, who knows. And besides the question
>as it is phrased is "best bowlers *he* has faced."
>
actually.....
he played only 3 tests vs lillee (1980-81)
only 4 tests vs holding (1975-76)
by comparison he played 8 or 9 tests vs hadlee (1975-76, 76-77 & 80-81)
hadlee played winning roles in alll 3 tests that NZ won during those
3 series.
Anand Krishnaswamy
In article <3sdii4$9...@news.utdallas.edu>, venk...@utdallas.edu (Venkatesh Sridharan) writes:
|> Muralidhar Rangaswamy (mran...@fruit.ece.syr.edu) wrote:
|> : Hi all,
|>
|> : I had the pleasure of going out to lunch with G.R. Viswanath, chairman
|> : board of selectors, this afternoon. Viswanath is a very sociable person
|> : and easy to talk to. I had the opportunity to discuss quite a few things
|> :about cricket with him. Below are his answers to my questions. I hope it makes
|> : for enjoyable reading.
|>
|>
|> : Me: Who is the best fast bowler you have played against?
|> : GRV: Andy Roberts, Michael Holding, Dennis Lillee and Imran Khan were
|> : the best bowlers I have faced. Hard to pick anyone of them as the best.
|>
|> : Me: Who is the best fast bowler in the world at Present?
|> : GRV: Wasim Akram. Waqar Younis and Curtly Ambrose are not far behind.
|>
|> : Me: Who was the best batsman in your times?
|> : GRV: I rate Viv Ricahrds and Ian Chappel as the best batsmen of my time.
|>
|> : GRV: John Gleeson, Ashley Mallet and Abdul Quadir were all good spin bowlers
|> : during my playing days.
|>
|>
|>
|> -------
|> Let's see:
|>
|> Best bowlers he's faced : Roberts, Holding, Lillee and Imran.
|> Best batsmen of his time : Viv Richards and Ian Chappell.
|> Best spinners of his time: Gleeson, Mallet and Qadir.
|>
|> Lillee and Imran have much better stats than Roberts and Holding, and so
|> does Hadlee. Currently, Akram's stats are'nt as good as Waqar's or
|> Ambrose's (not sure about this). Vivi and Chappelli's stats were'nt as
|> good as Gavaskar's, and Qadir did'nt do well at all against India (his
|> stats would be terrible, I guess, and I have no clue about Mallet and
|> Gleeson's figures).
|>
|> I guess none of us doubt that Vishwanath knows more about cricket than
|> most of us could dream about knowing. With this in mind, would some kind
|> soul try and explain why his ratings, like those of dozens of other
|> cricketers, don't seem to agree with the "statistical" rankings?
|>
|>
|>
|> Win or lose, forever Windies.
|> Venky (Venkatesh Sridharan).
Can anyone find out how many times if at all, has GRV gotten out for any of the bowlers of his time? 'His Time', makes him look like a very old man! :-)
Anand
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R. Bharat Rao
>Let's see:
>Best bowlers he's faced : Roberts, Holding, Lillee and Imran.
>Best quickie around now : Wasim Akram.
>Best batsmen of his time : Viv Richards and Ian Chappell.
>Best spinners of his time: Gleeson, Mallet and Qadir.
>Lillee and Imran have much better stats than Roberts and Holding, and so
>does Hadlee. Currently, Akram's stats are'nt as good as Waqar's or
>Ambrose's (not sure about this). Vivi and Chappelli's stats were'nt as
>good as Gavaskar's, and Qadir did'nt do well at all against India (his
>stats would be terrible, I guess, and I have no clue about Mallet and
>Gleeson's figures).
>I guess none of us doubt that Vishwanath knows more about cricket than
>most of us could dream about knowing. With this in mind, would some kind
>soul try and explain why his ratings, like those of dozens of other
>cricketers, don't seem to agree with the "statistical" rankings?
Come on, so if Don Bradman picked someone else, and Richie Benaud
picked someone else, and David Gower another quartet what would we do?
There would be as many best's as they number of people who picked
them. Yes Viswanath has forgotten more about cricket than virtually
anyone on the net knows, and yet the above is just that, a subjective
opinion.
Let me take a shot at this -- the best bowler's he has faced, is just
that -- the fast bowlers who gave him most trouble. For instance, he
did not play Hadlee much; had he, who knows. And besides the question
as it is phrased is "best bowlers *he* has faced."
Now as for best batsmen of his time, Viv Richards is certainly not a
controversial pick. Most people would rate him as one of the top
batsmen of the era. Ian Chappell is a strange pick -- most would rate
Greg ahead of him.
So if you buy into what Viswanath says, Viv and Ian were equally good.
I wan't to see that in your sig from now on (you, who believe, Viv has
no equal).
I know you were being half-facetious Venky, but come on... Viswanath
was a great great batsman, and is a superb Chairman of Selectors, but
his opinions are just that -- opinions. Very well informed opinions,
but subjective, none the less... colored intensely by his memory of
knocks played by those players against his side on the field...
>Win or lose, forever Windies.
>Venky (Venkatesh Sridharan).
Bharat
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Venkatesh Sridharan
: Hi all,
: I had the pleasure of going out to lunch with G.R. Viswanath, chairman
: board of selectors, this afternoon. Viswanath is a very sociable person
: and easy to talk to. I had the opportunity to discuss quite a few things
:about cricket with him. Below are his answers to my questions. I hope it makes
: for enjoyable reading.
[...deletions...]
: Me: Who is the best fast bowler you have played against?
: GRV: Andy Roberts, Michael Holding, Dennis Lillee and Imran Khan were
: the best bowlers I have faced. Hard to pick anyone of them as the best.
: Me: Who is the best fast bowler in the world at Present?
: GRV: Wasim Akram. Waqar Younis and Curtly Ambrose are not far behind.
: Me: Who was the best batsman in your times?
: GRV: I rate Viv Ricahrds and Ian Chappel as the best batsmen of my time.
: Me: Who was the best spin bowler you have played against?
: GRV: John Gleeson, Ashley Mallet and Abdul Quadir were all good spin bowlers
: during my playing days.
: Muralidhar Rangaswamy
-------
Let's see:
Best bowlers he's faced : Roberts, Holding, Lillee and Imran.
Best quickie around now : Wasim Akram.
Best batsmen of his time : Viv Richards and Ian Chappell.
Best spinners of his time: Gleeson, Mallet and Qadir.
Lillee and Imran have much better stats than Roberts and Holding, and so
does Hadlee. Currently, Akram's stats are'nt as good as Waqar's or
Ambrose's (not sure about this). Vivi and Chappelli's stats were'nt as
good as Gavaskar's, and Qadir did'nt do well at all against India (his
stats would be terrible, I guess, and I have no clue about Mallet and
Gleeson's figures).
I guess none of us doubt that Vishwanath knows more about cricket than
most of us could dream about knowing. With this in mind, would some kind
soul try and explain why his ratings, like those of dozens of other
cricketers, don't seem to agree with the "statistical" rankings?
Win or lose, forever Windies.
Venky (Venkatesh Sridharan).
Venkatesh Sridharan
: Hi all,
: I had the pleasure of going out to lunch with G.R. Viswanath, chairman
: board of selectors, this afternoon. Viswanath is a very sociable person
: and easy to talk to. I had the opportunity to discuss quite a few things
:about cricket with him. Below are his answers to my questions. I hope it makes
: for enjoyable reading.
[...deletions...]
: Me: Who was the best batsman in your times?
: GRV: I rate Viv Richards and Ian Chappel as the best batsmen of my time.
^^^^^^^^^^^^
-------
Of course!!
Could'nt resist it :-) Thanks for the interview, Murali. And I do hope
you've shown Mr. Vishwanath our newsgroup!
: Muralidhar Rangaswamy
Ashim Garg
|> venk...@utdallas.edu (Venkatesh Sridharan) writes:
|>
|> >Let's see:
|>
|> >Best bowlers he's faced : Roberts, Holding, Lillee and Imran.
|> >Best quickie around now : Wasim Akram.
|> >Best batsmen of his time : Viv Richards and Ian Chappell.
|> >Best spinners of his time: Gleeson, Mallet and Qadir.
|>
|>
|> >most of us could dream about knowing. With this in mind, would some kind
|> >soul try and explain why his ratings, like those of dozens of other
|> >cricketers, don't seem to agree with the "statistical" rankings?
|> Let me take a shot at this -- the best bowler's he has faced, is just
|> that -- the fast bowlers who gave him most trouble. For instance, he
|> did not play Hadlee much; had he, who knows. And besides the question
|> as it is phrased is "best bowlers *he* has faced."
How do you explain picking akram above much more touted waqar and
ambrose? While I agree that ultimately what a person speaks is
his or her opinion, nothing more and nothing less, one still
wonders why did he pick akram. The reason I think is that akram is a more
complete
bowler than the other two. It is quite possible that, both waqar
and ambrose, while hot for now, may fade away quickly due to
their limitations.
Akram on the other hand has been there for a long time and still
is going strong.
What surprised me was not as much the inclusion of ian chappell,
but was the excusion of gavaskar. This makes me to believe that
either it was a question of "familiarity breeding contempt", or
or of him not liking/hating gavaskar or of the case that viswanath
actually knows a thing or two about cricket. There are no evidences
of the first two and hence I would go with the third reasoning.
Actually think of it, the choices made by vishi are *non-standard*
choices. I think that any one who makes such bold choices (especially
picking akram and omitting gavaskar) knows about cricket. It is possible
that we may not agree with the criteria he might have had in his
mind, but we can not deny that there is a rational reason behind
such choices, and that these choices are not a merely a case
of "I saw, I liked/got frightened, I rate the
batsman/bowler higher consequently".
-ashim
Venkatesh Sridharan
: >I guess none of us doubt that Vishwanath knows more about cricket than
: >most of us could dream about knowing. With this in mind, would some kind
: >soul try and explain why his ratings, like those of dozens of other
: >cricketers, don't seem to agree with the "statistical" rankings?
: Come on, so if Don Bradman picked someone else, and Richie Benaud
: picked someone else, and David Gower another quartet what would we do?
-------
I would take each of them, unless they were joking, more seriously than I
would a bunch of numbers.
-------
: Let me take a shot at this -- the best bowler's he has faced, is just
: that -- the fast bowlers who gave him most trouble. For instance, he
: did not play Hadlee much; had he, who knows. And besides the question
: as it is phrased is "best bowlers *he* has faced."
-------
Yes, and when a renowned batsman says that a few particular bowlers gave
him most trouble, specifically Roberts and Holding, and if those particular
bowlers have been overshadowed by another bowler, whom he does'nt care to
name (Hadlee). And if the bowlers he named have significantly inferior
stats as compared to the bowler(s) he did'nt name, and if there are people
around who claim that Hadlee was a "superior fast bowler" simply because
he had better stats than Roberts or Holding, then I think it does make sense
for me to quote Vishy in support of my stats-are'nt-always-conclusive case.
-------
: Now as for best batsmen of his time, Viv Richards is certainly not a
: controversial pick. Most people would rate him as one of the top
: batsmen of the era. Ian Chappell is a strange pick -- most would rate
: Greg ahead of him.
-------
Another person who rated Ian above Greg is Imran Khan. Not that I'm trying
to say that Ian was (or was not) better than Greg. My point is that
there are several cricketers whose opinions, especially about their
contemporaries, don't seem to square up too well with what the stats say.
If you want to claim that opinions are opinions and stats are absolute
(not necessarily in these same words) measures that always reflect reality,
feel free to do so.
Sunil Gavaskar has gone on record (probably a dozen times, to my knowledge),
saying that Andy Roberts was the best fast bowler he had ever faced. You
also have people like Marshall, Lillee, Imran and now, Vishy, saying
something similar about Andy. If you look at Andy's stats, you'll see that
he averaged around 4 (?) wickets per test, and took just about 200 test
wickets. Either his stats are not telling the whole story, unless you apply
all kinds of subjective measures ("metrics") to them, in which case you're
just factoring in all your personal opinions, or, on the other hand, all
these great cricketers don't really know what they are talking about, or
they are'nt really objective (ie, these are "just opinions").
My point is that stats don't tell the whole story, even in the same era,
and using them across eras makes little sense (IMO). I'm not trying to
say that anybody's opinions are an absolute measure.
-------
: So if you buy into what Viswanath says, Viv and Ian were equally good.
: I wan't to see that in your sig from now on (you, who believe, Viv has
: no equal).
-------
I wonder how you make the assumption that Vishy meant that Ian was as good
as Vivi ? Even if he did say so, I'd still quote that to say that that
does'nt square up with the stats at all (Viv's stats are, I presume, far
better than Ian's).
The .sig bit was a joke, right?
-------
: I know you were being half-facetious Venky,
-------
I was, but you're turning this into a *real* debate :-)
-------
: but come on... Viswanath was a great great batsman, and is a superb
: Chairman of Selectors, but his opinions are just that -- opinions.
: Very well informed opinions, but subjective, none the less... colored
: intensely by his memory of knocks played by those players against his
: side on the field...
-------
I agree to the extent that an opinion, however informed, is still only
an opinion. But I also think the fact that many of those opinions don't
seem to agree with the stats (the "facts") says that there are too many
variables in this glorious game for it's essence to be captured on mere
paper.
: Bharat
Vishwesh Kulkarni
In article <SANDEEP.95...@matisse.cs.albany.edu>, san...@matisse.cs.albany.edu (Sandeep Kumar Shukla) writes:
|> If I remember correctly, during the 1983 WI tour of India, The
|> Telegraph published two interviews of Michael Holding and Andy Roberts
|> in which both of them considered Ian Chappel and Geoff Boycott to be
|> their most dreaded batsmen, both of them considered Ian Chappel to
|> be extremely unorthodox, hard hitting and unpredictable, both of them
|> thought that Ian was the best man to upset any bowler's rythm by just
|> hitting him all over the place whereas Boycott, according to them
|> was extremely copybook with hardly any technical fault which was
(deleted)
|> I don't see any problem in not selecting Gavaskar as it's well known
|> that statistics doesn't make anybody greatest. Vishy might not have
I am not aware of Holding's comments (he later remarked that Gavaskar played well
if the conditions suited him). But Roberts named Greg Chappel, Sunil Gavaskar
and Geoff Boycott ,in that order, as the best batsmen he bowled to and went on
to add that if Gavaskar continues to play like this (he had taken to attacking
in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th test vs WI '83) he would do well to put Boycott ahead
of him.
GRV favoured attacking cricket. That would, perhaps, be the reason behind his
choice of Ian Chappel who was aggressive and had a fine footwork against
spinners (even Bedi rates Ian Chappel highly).
---
Venkatesh Sridharan
: If I remember correctly, during the 1983 WI tour of India, The
: Telegraph published two interviews of Michael Holding and Andy Roberts
: in which both of them considered Ian Chappel and Geoff Boycott to be
: their most dreaded batsmen, both of them considered Ian Chappel to
: be extremely unorthodox, hard hitting and unpredictable, both of them
: thought that Ian was the best man to upset any bowler's rythm by just
: hitting him all over the place whereas Boycott, according to them
: was extremely copybook with hardly any technical fault which was
: frustrating for any bowler. So it's not only Vishwanath but also two
: of the greatest bowlers of all time had so much respect for Ian
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
-------
For a start, you'll find people disputing that Andy Roberts and Michael
Holding were "two of the greatest bowlers of all time" :-)
-------
: Chappel whereas some of the ignorant cricket intellectuals of RSC
: seem to be too interested to jump down Vishy's throat for selecting
: Ian Chappel as one of the best bat of his time.
-------
For the record, nobody's actually done that (jump all over Vishy for
choosing Chappelli).
-------
: I don't see any problem in not selecting Gavaskar as it's well known
: that statistics doesn't make anybody greatest. Vishy might not have
: liked Gavaskar's style of batting too much, what's the problem?
: Rajiv
Syed M. Ali
writes:
|> In article <DAMp0...@scr.siemens.com>, bha...@scr.siemens.com (R. Bharat
|> Rao) writes:
|> |> venk...@utdallas.edu (Venkatesh Sridharan) writes:
|> |>
|> |> >Let's see:
|> |>
|> |> >Best bowlers he's faced : Roberts, Holding, Lillee and Imran.
|> |> >Best quickie around now : Wasim Akram.
|> |> >Best batsmen of his time : Viv Richards and Ian Chappell.
|> |> >Best spinners of his time: Gleeson, Mallet and Qadir.
|> |>
|> |>
|> |> >most of us could dream about knowing. With this in mind, would some kind
|> |> |> >soul try and explain why his ratings, like those of dozens of other
|> |> >cricketers, don't seem to agree with the "statistical" rankings?
|>
|> |> that -- the fast bowlers who gave him most trouble. For instance, he
|> |> did not play Hadlee much; had he, who knows. And besides the question
|> |> as it is phrased is "best bowlers *he* has faced."
|>
|> ambrose? While I agree that ultimately what a person speaks is
|> his or her opinion, nothing more and nothing less, one still
|> wonders why did he pick akram. The reason I think is that akram is a more
|> complete
|> bowler than the other two. It is quite possible that, both waqar
|> and ambrose, while hot for now, may fade away quickly due to
|> their limitations.
|> Akram on the other hand has been there for a long time and still
|> is going strong.
Just for the records Akram made his debut against New Zealand in 1985,
Ambrose did in 1986/87 against Pakistan, and Waqar in 1989/90 against ???? (was
it India?)
Syed
|> -ashim
|>
Sandeep Kumar Shukla
Telegraph published two interviews of Michael Holding and Andy Roberts
in which both of them considered Ian Chappel and Geoff Boycott to be
their most dreaded batsmen, both of them considered Ian Chappel to
be extremely unorthodox, hard hitting and unpredictable, both of them
thought that Ian was the best man to upset any bowler's rythm by just
hitting him all over the place whereas Boycott, according to them
was extremely copybook with hardly any technical fault which was
frustrating for any bowler. So it's not only Vishwanath but also two
of the greatest bowlers of all time had so much respect for Ian
seem to be too interested to jump down Vishy's throat for selecting
Ian Chappel as one of the best bat of his time.
that statistics doesn't make anybody greatest. Vishy might not have
liked Gavaskar's style of batting too much, what's the problem?
Cheers,
Rajiv
S Govindarajan
>In article <DAMp0...@scr.siemens.com>, bha...@scr.siemens.com (R. Bharat Rao) writes:
>|> venk...@utdallas.edu (Venkatesh Sridharan) writes:
>|>
>|> >Let's see:
>|>
>|> >Best bowlers he's faced : Roberts, Holding, Lillee and Imran.
>|> >Best quickie around now : Wasim Akram.
>|> >Best batsmen of his time : Viv Richards and Ian Chappell.
>|> >Best spinners of his time: Gleeson, Mallet and Qadir.
>|>
>|>
>What surprised me was not as much the inclusion of ian chappell,
>but was the excusion of gavaskar. This makes me to believe that
>either it was a question of "familiarity breeding contempt", or
>or of him not liking/hating gavaskar or of the case that viswanath
>actually knows a thing or two about cricket. There are no evidences
>of the first two and hence I would go with the third reasoning.
Note that NONE of his choices is an Indian. I assume that what
Muralidhar asked was related to test cricket and not to first class.
Vishy himself says that he was unlucky not to play the Indian spinners
in a test match. Without question, one would put Bedi, Chandra or
Prasanna ahead of Qadir in terms of sheer talent and efficacy. OTOH,
almost all batsmen would put the four bowlers he selected, as their own
choices too. Hadlee developed as a seam bowler only in the early and
mid-80s, and Vishy did not have much of a chance to play him then. No
doubt, if you ask Vengsarkar, he will pick Hadlee for his list. Waht
is surprising is the absence of Gibbs and the inclusion of Mallet.
Mallet, I think, did not play that many test matches.
Same goes for the batsmen.
>-ashim
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: In article <1995Jun23.1...@cs.brown.edu>, a...@cs.brown.edu (Ashim Garg)
: writes:
: |> In article <DAMp0...@scr.siemens.com>, bha...@scr.siemens.com (R. Bharat
: |> Rao) writes:
: |> |> venk...@utdallas.edu (Venkatesh Sridharan) writes:
: |> |>
: |> |> >Let's see:
: |> |>
: |> |> >Best bowlers he's faced : Roberts, Holding, Lillee and Imran.
: |> |> >Best quickie around now : Wasim Akram.
: |> |> >Best batsmen of his time : Viv Richards and Ian Chappell.
: |> |> >Best spinners of his time: Gleeson, Mallet and Qadir.
: Just for the records Akram made his debut against New Zealand in 1985,
: Ambrose did in 1986/87 against Pakistan, and Waqar in 1989/90 against ???? (was
: it India?)
: Syed
Yes, I believe it was against India.
Shabih ul Hasan
George Washington University
S.Jagadish
> either it was a question of "familiarity breeding contempt", or
not just familiarity ... its FAMILYarity ... me thinks Vishy's brother married
SMG's sis ... and that means BILs
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Undergrad student from India : E-Mail : SF91...@NTUVAX.NTU.AC.SG
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On the WEB - Mayajaal : http://www2.ntu.ac.sg:8000/~sf918168/mayajaal.html
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Sagar Venkateswaran
Venkatesh Sridharan <venk...@utdallas.edu> wrote:
>
>My point is that stats don't tell the whole story, even in the same era,
>and using them across eras makes little sense (IMO). I'm not trying to
>say that anybody's opinions are an absolute measure.
>-------
>
Hear! Hear! Which brings me the great Indian Batsman who stood
tall aginst Imran in Pakistan, against Marshal and Co. in WI
and helped India win the World Cup! Surely he must be ranked
higher than the great Indian accumulator.
n.V.
Mahesh Madhusudan
S.Jagadish <sf91...@omega.ntu.ac.sg> wrote:
>> but was the excusion of gavaskar. This makes me to believe that
>> either it was a question of "familiarity breeding contempt", or
>
>not just familiarity ... its FAMILYarity ... me thinks Vishy's brother married
>SMG's sis ... and that means BILs
>--
Either way they are BILs ..
> _____________________________________________________________________________
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> On the WEB - Mayajaal : http://www2.ntu.ac.sg:8000/~sf918168/mayajaal.html
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Tansen Varghese
>|> complete
>|> bowler than the other two. It is quite possible that, both waqar
>|> and ambrose, while hot for now, may fade away quickly due to
>|> their limitations.
What limitations are you talking about here? I'm not
too much of an expert on Ambrose, but I don't see any
limitation that Younis has. He's got real pace, outswing,
inswing, seam movement, accuracy and reverse swing.
The only limitation, if you can call it that, is that
he's injured most of the time.
I guess people tend to think that bowlers who bowl at
a very fast pace much of the time are all brawn and no
brain, even though they're winning matches while doing
so. It's better to play for one year and win all the
Tests played than play for ten years and win once in
3 years, by bowling medium pace bullshit.
By the way, I'm not saying I'm not a fan of Akram. I
am his fan, definitely. I'm actually at a loss to say
whom I'd pick as the best, if both were bowling at their
best. But atleast stats show, that at their best, Younis
is better. But stats aren't everything. Akram doesn't
bowl at top speed as often as Younis does, which might
account for why Younis's stats are better, along with
the fact that maybe, at top speed, Younis is faster.
Tanny
Ram Madhavapeddi
|> > but was the excusion of gavaskar. This makes me to believe that
|> > either it was a question of "familiarity breeding contempt", or
|>
|> not just familiarity ... its FAMILYarity ... me thinks Vishy's brother married
|> SMG's sis ... and that means BILs
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Vishy married SMG's sister. NOT Vishy's brother.
R. Bharat Rao
>>|> In article <DAMp0...@scr.siemens.com>, bha...@scr.siemens.com (R. Bharat
>>|> Rao) writes:
>>|> wonders why did he pick akram. The reason I think is that akram is a more
>>|> complete
>>|> bowler than the other two. It is quite possible that, both waqar
>>|> and ambrose, while hot for now, may fade away quickly due to
>>|> their limitations.
>What limitations are you talking about here? I'm not
>too much of an expert on Ambrose, but I don't see any
>limitation that Younis has. He's got real pace, outswing,
>inswing, seam movement, accuracy and reverse swing.
>The only limitation, if you can call it that, is that
>he's injured most of the time.
Arrgggggggggggghhhh! Not again, and quoted as saying controversial
stuff about Pakistani and WI pacemen... Tansen, Please watch your
attributions.. I didn't write a word of what you quoted up these
Tansen; those are certainly not my views. If you do quote part of an
article (always a good thing to save space), do make the little extra
effort to check who actually wrote what you quote -- it is not too
hard.
>Tanny
Thanks
Kumar.Shiv
>Best bowlers he's faced : Roberts, Holding, Lillee and Imran.
>Best quickie around now : Wasim Akram.
>Best batsmen of his time : Viv Richards and Ian Chappell.
>Best spinners of his time: Gleeson, Mallet and Qadir.
When I was a wee lad of 6 or so, I saw my first cricket match,
Australia vs India at Chepauk (in 1969?). Surprisingly I do remember a
little of the game, especially Venkat's catch to dismiss
Walters after he'd made a fine century, and Redpath's
stolid defence to the Indian spinners in the 2nd innings,
staging a recovery of sorts from 26 (or so) for 6 to 108 or so.
Anyway, My Dad got me one of those souvenir books, which was a
treasured possession for many years. This book had team lists,
brief player descriptions etc. Thanks to poring over it in those
early days, I dare say I could name everyone in the touring
party, but most of them are only names to me, as I don't recall
hearing of them in my older years.
So, finally after all these years, could someone (Josh?) help
with 'fleshing out' these names from my past? I refer to
Mayne, Freeman, Taber (the wickie) and the aforementioned Gleeson
who my old souvenir referred to as a leg spinner.
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Tansen Varghese
>in a test match. Without question, one would put Bedi, Chandra or
>Prasanna ahead of Qadir in terms of sheer talent and efficacy. OTOH,
Not when the one who is doing the putting is one Richie
Benaud.
Tanny
Arcot A. Somashekar
either post it again on the net, or email it to me?
Thank you.
Arcot A. Somashekar
Internet : A.A.Som...@massey.ac.nz
N.B. : Standard disclaimers apply
Mohan Gopalakrishnan
would like to know if he is in the US or was this interview done in
India. Also would it not be nice if our friend who had lunch with him
introduce him to the net. Maybe we can at least read the little master.
MohanG
In <SANDEEP.95...@matisse.cs.albany.edu>
san...@matisse.cs.albany.edu (Sandeep Kumar Shukla) writes:
>
S.Jagadish
Gunner
Whew ! Scared me there for a minute - I mean how *could*
Vishy even consider marrying his brother ? Hey, I'm a
pretty open-minded guy but even I draw the line at same sex
marriages; especially to ones own brother...
> S.Jagadish
Jayant
S.Jagadish
>
> Whew ! Scared me there for a minute - I mean how *could*
> Vishy even consider marrying his brother ? Hey, I'm a
Heck .. he obviously meant Vishy's brother didnt marry SMGs sis but Vishy did
;-)