Srikkanth and Sandip Patil
srinivas jasthi
How nostalgic it is when somebody writes about Srikkanth. He has
neither the technique of Gavaskar nor the ellegance of Vishwanath. He
has a typical Srikkanth style. Everybody writes about his 123 in
calcuttta against Pak as the best. But I feel his superb hundred
against west indies in sharjah under Vengsarkar as capt has more grit
and style. Infact India own that match against west indies the first
time after world cup 1983.
He certainly has the game to last another 1-2 yrs. But he was
treated badly by the BCCI so were Jimmy Amarnath and Sandip Patil. I
always loved to watch Sandy storms. Sandip Patil had a very similar
style like Srikkanth and more called as "Demolisher of Willis and
Lillie". He retired in 1986. Sandip like srikkanth was a carefree
striker of the ball. The sem-final in world-cup 1983 against England
was a real treat to watch a typical sandy storm.
So I would brand "Srikkanth" and "Sandip Patil" as the countrys only
Hard Hitters. My dream Indian one-day team of 1980s-90s:
Srikkanth
Gavaskar
Amarnath
Yashpal Sarma Or Vengsarkar or Azharuddin
Sandip Patil
Kapil Dev
Kirti Azad or Ravi Shastri
Ghavri
Roger Binny
Madan Lal
Kirmani
Extras:
BS Sandhu
Manoj Prabhakar
Anil Kumble
--
Krishnan Ramaswamy
>Hi,
>
> How nostalgic it is when somebody writes about Srikkanth. He has
>neither the technique of Gavaskar nor the ellegance of Vishwanath. He
>has a typical Srikkanth style. Everybody writes about his 123 in
>calcuttta against Pak as the best. But I feel his superb hundred
>against west indies in sharjah under Vengsarkar as capt has more grit
>and style. Infact India own that match against west indies the first
>time after world cup 1983.
>
While on the subject of Srikkanth & Sandeep Patil, one incident came to
my mind. In one of his books (am not sure which one, "Runs 'n' ruins" or
"One day Wonders"), Gavaskar mentions this. This occured during one of
the practice sessions of the Indians during the 83 world cup. The team
used to practice often with one of those 'Bowling machines' (don't remember
what exactly these are called) which "hurl" tennis balls at high speeds.
Accdg. to Gavaskar, usually they had the snout of the machine pointed
towards the good length spot. Once when Srikkanth was batting, Sandeep
Patil without warning Srikkanth, adjusted the snout so that the ball
would go straight at the batsman's head. (Of course Srikkanth would
have had no idea of what was in store as he prepared to face the next
delivery). It seems that in spite of that, due to his quick reflexes,
Srikkanth managed to get out of the way of the delivery. Gavaskar
says that only Srikkanth (among the Indian team players) would have been able
to avoid the delivery.
Anybody else recall this ? If somebody has this book, probably they could
provide a more accurate version of this incident.
Krishnan
>
>
>
Venkatesh Sridharan.
>While on the subject of Srikkanth & Sandeep Patil, one incident came to
>my mind. In one of his books (am not sure which one, "Runs 'n' ruins" or
>"One day Wonders"), Gavaskar mentions this. This occured during one of
>the practice sessions of the Indians during the 83 world cup. The team
>used to practice often with one of those 'Bowling machines' (don't remember
>what exactly these are called) which "hurl" tennis balls at high speeds.
>Accdg. to Gavaskar, usually they had the snout of the machine pointed
>towards the good length spot. Once when Srikkanth was batting, Sandeep
>Patil without warning Srikkanth, adjusted the snout so that the ball
>would go straight at the batsman's head. (Of course Srikkanth would
>have had no idea of what was in store as he prepared to face the next
>delivery). It seems that in spite of that, due to his quick reflexes,
>Srikkanth managed to get out of the way of the delivery. Gavaskar
>says that only Srikkanth (among the Indian team players) would have been able
>to avoid the delivery.
>Anybody else recall this ? If somebody has this book, probably they could
>provide a more accurate version of this incident.
>Krishnan
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I don't actually have the book here, but I remember reading about this
incident, if my memory is right, Patil, according to Sunny, set the machine
to maximum speed and pointed the snout at Srikkanth's head, and Krish still
managed to jerk his head out of the way...
Win or lose, forever Windies.
Venky (Venkatesh Sridharan).
email: srid...@staff.tc.umn.edu
Vaibhav A. Diwadkar
kris...@yastrzemski.ece.psu.edu writes:
>While on the subject of Srikkanth & Sandeep Patil, one incident came to
>my mind. In one of his books (am not sure which one, "Runs 'n' ruins"
or
>"One day Wonders"), Gavaskar mentions this. This occured during one of
>the practice sessions of the Indians during the 83 world cup. The team
>used to practice often with one of those 'Bowling machines' (don't
remember
>what exactly these are called) which "hurl" tennis balls at high speeds.
>Accdg. to Gavaskar, usually they had the snout of the machine pointed
>towards the good length spot. Once when Srikkanth was batting, Sandeep
>Patil without warning Srikkanth, adjusted the snout so that the ball
>would go straight at the batsman's head. (Of course Srikkanth would
>have had no idea of what was in store as he prepared to face the next
>delivery). It seems that in spite of that, due to his quick reflexes,
>Srikkanth managed to get out of the way of the delivery. Gavaskar
>says that only Srikkanth (among the Indian team players) would have been
able
>to avoid the delivery.
>
>Anybody else recall this ? If somebody has this book, probably they could
>provide a more accurate version of this incident.
Sunny mentions this in One Day Wonders. His comments on the
bowling machine are curious. According to him, balls bowled by
the machine at speeds of 70ish mph seemed much faster than
balls bowled by genuine pacemen which had been clocked at
higher speeds. He says that this caused him to wonder about the
veracity of speed tests done on pace bowlers. I suspect that Sunny is
in error in commenting on the latter.
I assume that the machines are adjusted to bowl at 22 yards
just like bowlers do. However I imagine the experience of facing
a machine is rather discontinuous. Balls fired at you by this static,
cannon like device. This may accentuate the perception of speed.
I have never seen a bowling machine. Perhaps someone who has
can share their experiences?
Just curious [and tired of seeing men of straw attacking "straw men"
on this group]
Regards,
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Vaibhav A. Diwadkar
Dept. of Psychology,
Vanderbilt University.
diwa...@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu
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"Nothing is Sacred. Nothing is Written.
Only doubt is scientific. In fact only doubt
is possibly truly artistic."
- Christopher Hitchens
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SKP...@delphi.com
You are living in another era man!.
These are the 90's.
Your team wouldn't have chance in this era of cricket
when kapil dev has to open the innings.
Do some time travel.
Come to the 90's
Sudhir
David Wheeler
>(Sunil Gavaskar's) comments on the
>bowling machine are curious. According to him, balls bowled by
>the machine at speeds of 70ish mph seemed much faster than
>balls bowled by genuine pacemen which had been clocked at
>higher speeds. He says that this caused him to wonder about the
>veracity of speed tests done on pace bowlers. I suspect that Sunny is
>in error in commenting on the latter.
>
>I assume that the machines are adjusted to bowl at 22 yards
>just like bowlers do. However I imagine the experience of facing
>a machine is rather discontinuous. Balls fired at you by this static,
>cannon like device. This may accentuate the perception of speed.
>I have never seen a bowling machine. Perhaps someone who has
>can share their experiences?
I have faced bowling machines and concur with Sunny's assessment that it
*seems* faster. I reckon, though, that this is probably because there is
little or no warning of the ball's release, so the batsman does not pick
up the flight as quickly as he would when he can see the bowler running
towards him and releasing the ball. There's a big difference between
being able to anticipate more or less exactly when the ball is going to
leave the bowler's hand and *TWANG*.
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TUK...@maccvm.corp.mot.com
Paul M Corballis
>kris...@yastrzemski.ece.psu.edu writes:
[snip]
>Sunny mentions this in One Day Wonders. His comments on the
>bowling machine are curious. According to him, balls bowled by
>the machine at speeds of 70ish mph seemed much faster than
>balls bowled by genuine pacemen which had been clocked at
>higher speeds. He says that this caused him to wonder about the
>veracity of speed tests done on pace bowlers. I suspect that Sunny is
>in error in commenting on the latter.
>
>I assume that the machines are adjusted to bowl at 22 yards
>just like bowlers do. However I imagine the experience of facing
>a machine is rather discontinuous. Balls fired at you by this static,
>cannon like device. This may accentuate the perception of speed.
>I have never seen a bowling machine. Perhaps someone who has
>can share their experiences?
>
From some limited experience with bowling machines, I find them much
harder to face than a bowler, since you don't get all the usual cues
that bowlers provide prior to the delivery -- they don't take a run up,
for example, so you don't know quite when the ball will be delivered.
Even when you do know when to expect the ball, the slight uncertainty
about the exact moment of delivery makes timing your shot very difficult.
Of course, they are a bit more accurate than some net bowlers I have
faced, but that's another story...
Cheers, Paul
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Paul Corballis
Department of Psychology
Columbia University
pa...@paradox.psych.columbia.edu
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Joost Helberg
In article <1993Nov20.1...@news.vanderbilt.edu>,
Vaibhav A. Diwadkar <diwa...@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu> wrote:
>In article <1993Nov20.1...@ems.psu.edu> Krishnan Ramaswamy,
>kris...@yastrzemski.ece.psu.edu writes:
[snip]
...
>I assume that the machines are adjusted to bowl at 22 yards
>just like bowlers do. However I imagine the experience of facing
>a machine is rather discontinuous. Balls fired at you by this static,
>cannon like device. This may accentuate the perception of speed.
>I have never seen a bowling machine. Perhaps someone who has
>can share their experiences?
>
From some limited experience with bowling machines, I find them much
harder to face than a bowler, since you don't get all the usual cues
that bowlers provide prior to the delivery -- they don't take a run up,
for example, so you don't know quite when the ball will be delivered.
Even when you do know when to expect the ball, the slight uncertainty
about the exact moment of delivery makes timing your shot very difficult.
Of course, they are a bit more accurate than some net bowlers I have
faced, but that's another story...
It might be a very good idea to make the bowling-machine produce
a sound, starting a few seconds before delivery and starting low. The
moment of delivery can be accompanied by some scream or something alike.
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Oracle Europe BV Product Line Development
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Snehasis Ganguly
Another reason would be the changing speed of a human bowler in the same
over and the time he takes to adjust,bowls etc.,whereas a machine always
bowls at a same speed throughout,so average speed in an over may be less.