India Also Ran XI (Part II)
Dipak Basu
of runs/wickets in Ranji versus tests. I'd claim Azad, Arun Lal,
Viswanath and definitely Ashok Mankad were useful "non-great" contributors
to Indian cricket on the same level as say Ghulam Ahmed, Ramnath Kenny,
Rusi Surti, Abid Ali, Brijesh Patel, Arshad Ayub, Ajay Sharma to name a
few.
In context of the "ratio", you haven't even mentioned IMHO the greatest
failure, WV Raman.
Dipak.
In article <3uop99$c...@hyena.cs.umd.edu>, ga...@cs.umd.edu (Gagan Agrawal)
wrote:
>In article <3uofv4$1...@minerva.worldbank.org> Mani writes:
>Here's a list of Indian players who performed consistently in
>domestic cricket but failed time and again when given a chance
>to play tests.
>
>Arun Lal
>Parthasarathy Sharma
>Hemant Kanitkar
>Narasimha Rao
>Surinder Amarnath
>Ramnath Parker
>Yograj Singh
>Sadanand Viswanath (WK)
>Ashok Mankad
>L. Sivaramakrishnan
>Raghram Bhatt
>
>>Mani
>
>
> The following names also come to mind almost immediately:
>
> Kirti Azad
> Raman Lamba
> Chandrakant Pandit
Mani
domestic cricket but failed time and again when given a chance
to play tests.
Arun Lal
Parthasarathy Sharma
Hemant Kanitkar
Narasimha Rao
Surinder Amarnath
Ramnath Parker
Yograj Singh
Sadanand Viswanath (WK)
Ashok Mankad
L. Sivaramakrishnan
Raghram Bhatt
Any second thoughts?
Mani
Gagan Agrawal
Kumar Venkataraman
: Here's a list of Indian players who performed consistently in
: to play tests.
: Arun Lal
Unlucky, I would say. He was included in the team only when some opener
got injured.
: Ashok Mankad
Ashok Mankad didnt play in many tests, but I remember there was
a talk once to bring him in as a captain.
: Raghram Bhatt
Did he play in any test?
kumar
(ku...@india.hp.com)
kulk...@coral.indstate.edu
>: Raghram Bhatt
>Did he play in any test?
>kumar
>(ku...@india.hp.com)
Yes, in only one test against Pakistan in Nagpur in the mid-80s. I
think this is the test in which Sandip Patil was picked at the last
minute and flown to Nagpur from Bombay in a special Maharastra
government airplane, only to get a duck or a very low score. This is the
same series in which Anshuman Gaekwad scored 200 boring runs at Jullundur
with many lives between 190 and 200. Lulled the fielders to sleep with his
insipid batting.
Prasad Kulkarni
Raghavan Suresh
>In article <3uofv4$1...@minerva.worldbank.org>, Mani writes:
>> Here's a list of Indian players who performed consistently in
>> domestic cricket but failed time and again when given a chance
>> to play tests.
>>
>> Arun Lal
>> Hemant Kanitkar
> I think Raman Lamba should be there at # 3 or TE Srinivasan
>> Narasimha Rao
>> Surinder Amarnath
>> Ramnath Parker
>> Yograj Singh
>> Sadanand Viswanath (WK)
>> Ashok Mankad
>> L. Sivaramakrishnan
>> Raghram Bhatt
>>
>>
>> Mani
A big ommission in the list is Brijesh Patel - who never translated his
huge success in domestic level to the international level (a la Ashok Mankad) -
Looking at the list, most of the players above (apart from Mankad, Siva, A.Lal
Surinder and S.Vishvanath) were not given enough chances at the international
level to
prove their mettle which was the Bane of indian selectors, which seems to
be changing under the present selection committee ( W.V.Raman and P.Amre
are reminders that old habits die hard...). I feel any player selected to be
good enough to represent his country should be given at least couple of
test series before being dumped as a failure. Unfortunately that is not
the case with most players above.
Ramnath parkar played just 2 test matches vs England in 1972 (had a 35 in one
of the innings) - Kanitkar played in just one series in 1975 vs WI (scoring
a 65 at Delhi) just 2 or 3 tests - P.Sharma one series vs WI at home and I
believe made the tour of NZ and WI - T.E.Srinivasan just one test match at
NZ in 1981- Raghuram Bhatt just 2 home test matches - Narasimha Rao just
a couple of matches at home. Most players in the list have played 2 or 3 TESTS
each to be accused of having failed time and again.
Subramanian Senthilkumar
>In article <1995Jul26.112915.15186@wvnvms> m...@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes:
>>In article <3uofv4$1...@minerva.worldbank.org>, Mani writes:
>>> Here's a list of Indian players who performed consistently in
>>> domestic cricket but failed time and again when given a chance
>>> to play tests.
>>>
>>> Arun Lal
>>> Parthasarathy Sharma
>>> Hemant Kanitkar
>> I think Raman Lamba should be there at # 3 or TE Srinivasan
>>> Narasimha Rao
>>> Surinder Amarnath
>>> Ramnath Parker
>>> Yograj Singh
>>> Sadanand Viswanath (WK)
>>> Ashok Mankad
>>> L. Sivaramakrishnan
>>> Raghram Bhatt
>>> Any second thoughts?
Atul Wasan, Banerjee(fast bowler from MRF Pace), T.A.Shekhar, B.Arun, ...
It is infact a lot of people come to my mind.
Senthil
Srivathsa
>In article <3uofv4$1...@minerva.worldbank.org>, Mani writes:
>> Here's a list of Indian players who performed consistently in
>> domestic cricket but failed time and again when given a chance
>> to play tests.
>>
>> Arun Lal
>> Parthasarathy Sharma
>> Hemant Kanitkar
> I think Raman Lamba should be there at # 3 or TE Srinivasan
>> Narasimha Rao
>> Surinder Amarnath
>> Ramnath Parker
>> Yograj Singh
>> Sadanand Viswanath (WK)
>> Ashok Mankad
>> L. Sivaramakrishnan
>> Raghram Bhatt
>>
>> Any second thoughts?
>>
>> Mani
I dont think Sadanand Vishwanath deserves to be in the above team. He
was a very good keeper. Remember the Benson & Hedges World Cup in
Australia in '85? He used to stand up to the stumps for Madan Lal and
even Kapil. Vishy was also very good bat. Unfortunately he never
performed to his full potential.
If you are looking for a keeper for the above team, then Bharat Reddy
is your man.
The same arguement and tournament holds good for Siva too. Kapil still
feels that he was one of the most talented cricketers in India.
Players you can add to the above team are:
Ghulam Parkar, Suru Nayak, ( Thanks to Gavaskar's loyalty to Bombay)
B. Arun,
Saurav Ganguly ( He was pathetic, much to Greg Chappel's immense
amusement during the NZ series).
Srivi.
Amitabha Lahiri
(ssen...@silver.cs.umanitoba.ca) wrote:
> >>> Here's a list of Indian players who performed consistently in
> >>> domestic cricket but failed time and again when given a chance
> >>> to play tests.
> Also players like T.E.Srinivasan, Pranab Roy, Vivek Razdan, Chetan Sharma,
> Atul Wasan, Banerjee(fast bowler from MRF Pace), T.A.Shekhar, B.Arun, ...
Chetan Sharma has a better strike rate than any Indian bowler bar Kapil
through the '80s. Banerjee has the best average and strike rate _ever_ of
all Indian bowlers with more than one wicket (i.e. except joke bowlers).
Please check cricinfo for the stats before making posts like this.
Amitabha
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