Shaun Tait is a chucking cheat - Daniel Vettori
Yorker
Tait's action under scrutiny by New Zealand
Jenny Thompson
December 13, 2007
New Zealand have ensured there will be extra focus on Shaun Tait if he plays
on his home ground on Friday after refusing to clear his action. The coach
John Bracewell would not comment on Tait, who stunned New Zealand in the
Twenty20 on Tuesday, after Daniel Vettori said there would be speculation
over the validity of his deliveries because of their extreme pace
Tait's shoulder-strong technique, low delivery position and flexible wrist
are behind the power that has pushed him to 160kph, but when asked whether
he was happy with Tait's action Vettori said: "You ask Braces (John
Bracewell) that one.
"I haven't looked at it in-depthly enough. I think people are going to
speculate on it whenever someone bowls fast, it's always the first thing
people look at. It's up to people that are on a position to comment on it to
comment on it."
Bracewell, the New Zealand coach, has made a regular habit of stirring the
Australians in previous series and was not talking. A team spokesman said it
was a matter for Roshan Mahanama, the ICC match referee.
Mahanama said New Zealand had not approached him. "It has not come up for
discussion at all," he said, "so there is no special comment on that."
Cricket Australia's chief executive, James Sutherland, was not alarmed.
"This is the first time I've heard Shaun's action called into question and
don't regard it as an issue that he needs to worry about," he told AAP.
"I've always subscribed to the theory that you shouldn't make a fast bowler
angrier than he already is."
If Vettori was tight-lipped on Tait, he did admit that New Zealand had
carried over their problem of dealing with pace from South Africa, where
they recently lost both Test and one-day series, but suggested it was merely
a dip in form. "We have had some problems with it, how we played Dale
Steyn," he said. "I can also cite times when we've played pace very well so
we've got to find a balance between the two.
"It's almost the case of now we know how Australia are going to attack us,
although we did before that first game, we've got a clear vision of what
they're going to do. It's up to the guys to counter that."
Vettori said his side was out to prove a point, as well as retain the trophy
which they won with a thumping 3-0 result last time. "We have to show them
that we can play," he said. "There are some guys in the team that feel they
can."
Jacob Oram is one in particular, the batsman taking the attack back to
Australia in the Twenty20, although it was too late to affect the result.
"It's a nice confident boost for the rest of the team," Vettori said. "Now
we've got to make sure we give a guy like him a chance when we're 200 for 3
or 4, where we can come in the last ten overs and make the most of his
hitting ability.
"He's set at seven because we fit the extra batsman, in Mathew Sinclair, in
there. If we're going really well, he can bat as high as three. If we're
going well he could easily go up the order."
Vettori denied the players were losing interest in either one-dayers or the
Chappell-Hadlee Series. "In the team we still enjoy the game and in spots
around the world you still get very good crowds."
Jenny Thompson is an assistant editor at Cricinfo
Rats
> snip >
I don't know what all this fuss is about Shaun Tait. The last time he
was in NZ he got his arse handed to him on a plate. I am more worried
about Lee and Bracken.
Having said that expect a hostile spell landing Tait a 5fer. :-(
dechucka
"Yorker" <Yor...@Yorker.com> wrote in message news:fjro1d$9mg$1...@aioe.org...
Test him let him bowl at sparrows fart pace in the lab and clear him
Stex
> "Yorker" <Yor...@Yorker.com> wrote in messagenews:fjro1d$9mg$1...@aioe.org...
>
> - Show quoted text -
Dont know whether he chucks or not, but will look closly today. What
struck me is the wooliness of the ICC once again
A team spokesman said it was a matter for Roshan Mahanama, the ICC
match referee.
Mahanama said New Zealand had not approached him. "It has not come up
for
discussion at all," he said, "so there is no special comment on
that."
So they dont look at actions till someone complains. He should have
come out and said,
a) we have been watching his action and it is fine
b) We have concerns which we are following up
What he basically said is no comment, ffs
Stex
Stex
>
> - Show quoted text -
hmmm, a more complete quote, rather changes the context
"It's not come up for discussion at all. There are no official
concerns," he said. "We'll go with an open mind into tomorrow's game.
There is a process in place and if there is a problem [the umpires]
will follow that process."
Stex
Jellybeans
An Australian chucking, I don't believe it, bloody hell, before we know
it they'll be taking drugs or bowling underarm, could never happen,
could it?
JB
Rats
> Test him let him bowl at sparrows fart pace in the lab and clear him-
Doesn't "sparrow's fart" mean early in the morning?
Rats
> So they dont look at actions till someone complains. He should have
> come out and said,
> a) we have been watching his action and it is fine
> b) We have concerns which we are following up
>
> What he basically said is no comment, ffs
Muralitharan Muralitharan Chucking Cheat Muralitharan
He started this rot ...
Yorker
"Rats" <crapa...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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I am still waiting for Australian and England cricket fans to post a comment
without any spin. Guess I am asking for Pluto.
Jellybeans
AFAIK it always did.
Yorker
When will you come out and call Brett Lee, Andrew Flintoff and
Shaun Tait chucking cheats ?
Rats
> When will you come out and call Brett Lee, Andrew Flintoff and
> Shaun Tait chucking cheats ?
Do a search and you will see I've already said they chuck except Tait
who I have not seen enough to make a call on. You can add Dale Steyn,
Ruchira Perera, Shabbir Ahmed and Kyle Mills to this list as well.
Dave Cornwell
"Yorker" <Yor...@Yorker.com> wrote in message news:fjro1d$9mg$1...@aioe.org...
Well I thought that the first time I saw him, even when his bowling was
rubbish, at the outset.
Dave
>
>
dechucka
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Marsh, Gilbert and Meckiff come to mind, try and keep up.
Of course if some other countries drug tested their players they may find
things they don't like. Oh that's right one country did test before a WC
found 2 of it's players taking steroids and let them off
dechucka
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Pup?
dechucka
> On Dec 14, 10:08 am, "dechucka" <dechu...@vomithotmail.com> wrote:
>> Test him let him bowl at sparrows fart pace in the lab and clear him-
>
> Doesn't "sparrow's fart" mean early in the morning?
I'm very slow in the morning and thought that the velocity of a sparrows
fart would not be that great. Please research to prove me wrong but don't
bother posting as I don't care
Dave -Turner
http://i9.tinypic.com/6ybb9dy.jpg
If he's a chucker why is there never a bend in his arm?
Its just a case of NZ trying to use mind tricks to put pressure on the young
guy.
Rats
> His action from side-on ...http://i9.tinypic.com/6ybb9dy.jpg
>
> If he's a chucker why is there never a bend in his arm?
>
> Its just a case of NZ trying to use mind tricks to put pressure on the young
> guy.
Very nice! This is a lot more than we can say about Muralicheat!
Dave -Turner
Indeed ...
http://i12.tinypic.com/6ofi9v9.jpg
Yorker
Since so many of the bowlers are chucking you should look at yourself in
the mirror and stop spewing venom on Murali in every thread.
Yorker
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You are the most intelligent rsc poster.
Dave -Turner
You aren't.
Thanks again for another enthralling post.
Dave -Turner
> comment
> without any spin.
No need to say anything, photos dont lie.
http://i9.tinypic.com/6ybb9dy.jpg
Yorker
>> You are the most intelligent rsc poster.
>
> You aren't.
If you are then how can I be ?
> Thanks again for another enthralling post.
>
>
You are very welcome.
Dave -Turner
Yorker
> Another gem of a post there from Mr Four Words.
>
>
>> You are the most intelligent rsc poster.
Rats
> Since so many of the bowlers are chucking you should look at yourself in
> the mirror and stop spewing venom on Murali in every thread.
Why?! Murali is the biggest cheat!!!
Dave -Turner
Yep .... now THIS is a bent arm -
http://i12.tinypic.com/6ofi9v9.jpg
Lucifer
> "Rats" <crapats...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
Now Lee is sometimes questionable, but Flintoff? Have you actually
ever looked at his action, there is no problem. Haven't seen enough of
Tait to comment.
Ian Thorpe
If Murali is a cheat then Tait, Brett Lee, Flintoff, Dale Steyn, Kyle Mills
are
also chucking cheats.
You and the rest of the Aus/Eng/NZ/SA fans abuse only Murali as a cheat
while completely ignoring the chucking cheats from your countries.
Ian Thorpe
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Ask Peter Roebuck about Andrew Flintoff.
Graham P Davis
>
> Test him let him bowl at sparrows fart pace in the lab and clear him
Good point. To me, Bob Willis had an action that looked OK until he bowled a
bouncer, at which point I reckon square-leg umpires must have been looking
elsewhere.
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I admit that I was suspicious of Murali's action for a long time but saw
some evidence a while ago showing that, although when viewed from a single
point of view his arm appears to straighten, a 3-D representation showed it
to remain bent at the same angle throughout the action and that the
apparent straightening was an illusion. Anyway, many spinners bowl with
bent arms and they haven't a physical peculiarity as an excuse.
Lucifer
> "Lucifer" <wyrdol...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
I'd rather examine the evidence myself, to be honest. So I went and
had a look at a load of videos of the big man, and didn't see any
problems.
Wog George
He certainly looks a bit dodgy when you watch him live (on TV), but it's
more of a big wobble than a 15 degree straightening of the arm. I suspect
that he does straighten his arm quite a bit, whether deliberate or simply
from a natural flexation that makes it look worse than it is, but he is no
worse than Shoaib Akhtar. Action-wise, Shoaib is OK. Ipso facto, Tait is
OK.
--
George
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prabh...@hotmail.com
break Merrilythrowin's toes with a blatant chuck and it will be funny
to see the cheating Lankans react to that :)
Wog George
>> Very nice! This is a lot more than we can say about Muralicheat!
>
> Indeed ...
> http://i12.tinypic.com/6ofi9v9.jpg
>
>
>
riveting, means nothing. It doesn't depict any straightening of his arm,
which is specifically what the revised Law is all about. The Law is quite
clear on that, and it also ignores natural elbow flexation as far as I know.
That pic is still a very dodgy look though, Dave, so I'm not really arguing
with you. Maybe I'm just more forgiving.
--
George
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2007
linus
If one goes by the schedules, he is more likely do that to one from
the Indian team.
Don Miles
writes
Not suggesting anything about the photo in question but you obviously
don't own Photoshop.
Don
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Don Miles
>I am still waiting for Australian and England cricket fans to post a
Not sure which Pluto you mean but I was amused on visiting the Institute
of Astronomy at Cambridge recently when a display for school kids had
pictures of the planets hung from the ceiling down a long corridor. I
walked its length to see an extra caption had been added to Pluto -
"Disqualified".
Ærchie
any sense had already left town. Yet dechucka was standin' in the doorway
saying:
>
>"Rats" <crapa...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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>> On Dec 14, 10:08 am, "dechucka" <dechu...@vomithotmail.com> wrote:
>>> Test him let him bowl at sparrows fart pace in the lab and clear him-
>>
>> Doesn't "sparrow's fart" mean early in the morning?
>
>I'm very slow in the morning and thought that the velocity of a sparrows
>fart would not be that great. Please research to prove me wrong but don't
>bother posting as I don't care
>
Is that the African or the European Sparrow?
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dechucka
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> The curfew had been lifted and the gamblin' wheel shut down, Anyone with
> any sense had already left town. Yet dechucka was standin' in the
> doorway
> saying:
>
>>
>>"Rats" <crapa...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
>>news:b7f63e7d-314d-4ddf...@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Dec 14, 10:08 am, "dechucka" <dechu...@vomithotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Test him let him bowl at sparrows fart pace in the lab and clear him-
>>>
>>> Doesn't "sparrow's fart" mean early in the morning?
>>
>>I'm very slow in the morning and thought that the velocity of a sparrows
>>fart would not be that great. Please research to prove me wrong but don't
>>bother posting as I don't care
>>
> Is that the African or the European Sparrow?
Interestingly I am going down to Melbourne to watch Eric Idles stage
production of The Search for the Holy Grail so got the DVD out to show the
kids last night. They enjoyed it but described it as "so random " which I
thought is an apt description without probably understanding the full
nuances of the expression.
There is also a cricket match down their which I will be getting out to.
Ian Thorpe
Rodney Ulyate
> "Dave -Turner" <n...@no.no> wrote in message
> news:13m3r11...@corp.supernews.com...
>>> Very nice! This is a lot more than we can say about Muralicheat!
>> Indeed ...
>> http://i12.tinypic.com/6ofi9v9.jpg
> Murali can bend his arm all he wants. Your 45 degree picture, while
> riveting, means nothing. It doesn't depict any straightening of his arm,
> which is specifically what the revised Law is all about. The Law is quite
> clear on that, and it also ignores natural elbow flexation as far as I know.
> That pic is still a very dodgy look though, Dave, so I'm not really arguing
> with you. Maybe I'm just more forgiving.
As I am yet to see Murali *release* the ball with a crooked arm, I think
it a perfectly fair assumption that he *was* thirty degrees (or, indeed,
more, if the photo was taken a frame or two too late) over the limit set
out to protect him.
Spofforth's suggestion rings ominously in my ears.
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