Allan Donald
Gopal Kapoor
Allan Donald would most definitely appear on most people's World XI. He
would definitely appear on my list as he is one of the premier fast
bowlers in current cricket.
It is a pity that there was a ban on South African cricket otherwise I
feel that Donald could have easily crossed the 300 wicket mark.
Bob Dubery
On 2 Sep 1997 09:42:44 GMT, v...@waikato.ac.nz (vj3) wrote:
>I was somewhat disappointed when I saw him in New Zealand for the 94-95
>season. Coming to NZ with the title of "The fastest white bowler in the
>world", his speed was only mediocre. The speedball radar clocked him at
>his fastest at around the 131 km/h mark.
Donald was coming back from an injury on that tour. He was hardly at
his best. I recall that in '92 he let fly a ball at an Indian Batsman
(Prabhakar?) that Malcolm Marshall described as "the fastest ball I've
seen in 10 years". OK, take that with a reasonable portion of salt,
but a fit Donald can be a very fast bowler.
>The Sri Lankan team
>have had a history of trouble against quality fast bowling anyway, be
>it Donald, Younis, Ambrose or Walsh
...and Brett Schultz. Schultz is back on the UCB's list of contracted
players and I'd imagine that some of the Sri Lankan batsmen might not
be too keen on facing him on a fast strip.
Bob Dubery
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In article <v9716890.0.s.pcm....@pukrs3.puk.ac.za>,
David Reinecke <v9716890.0....@pukrs3.puk.ac.za> writes:
>
>I have decided to voice my opinion on Allan Donald.
>
>He is the greatest South African bowler of all time!
Certainly a strong candidate. As a fast bowler, the only serious
alternative would be Neil Adcock (who had an average of almost exactly
20 IIRC).
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David Reinecke
I have decided to voice my opinion on Allan Donald.
He is the greatest South African bowler of all time! He is underrated by
cricket followers because I think he should easily make any world XI.
I have seen him slaughter - convincingly - many batsmen including
Tendulkar, Atherton and the entire Sri Lankan team many times over.
I have rarely seen a batsman dominate him - once i can remember was Graeme
Hick in a odi in SA vs SA for ENG but only for a while. I have never ever
seen SL or Jayasuriya dominate against Allan.
Give a great bowler the respect his ability and temperement deserves.
Please.
Dave Reinecke
Sunny SA
vj3
Yes, Allan Donald is a very good bowler but, I would hesitate to rate
him up there with the very best of all time. However, he has one of the
most fluid looking bowling actions I have ever seen.
I was somewhat disappointed when I saw him in New Zealand for the 94-95
season. Coming to NZ with the title of "The fastest white bowler in the
world", his speed was only mediocre. The speedball radar clocked him at
his fastest at around the 131 km/h mark. Waqar Younis in NZ was clocked
near the 140 km/h mark and Wasim Akram around 133 km/h. Glen McGrath
was around 130 km/h. (Note that these were clocked in NZ and may vary
with figures from other countries). NZ's very own Danny Morrison was
clocked at an impressive 136 km/h. So far, Danny Morrison has been the
fastest white bowler clocked in NZ. Also note that this was in the
94-95 season and Donald has shortened his run up since then so in
theory he should be even slower.
He does get good bounce though and this is where most batsmen have
trouble with him. The Sri Lankan and Indian teams have more trouble
than most because they are a relatively short side. The Sri Lankan team
have had a history of trouble against quality fast bowling anyway, be
it Donald, Younis, Ambrose or Walsh ( Walsh has amazing figures of 5
wickets for one run aginst SL in O.D.I).
Anyway, back to the point, Donald is a good bowler but cannot really be
considered as the best.
Vishakan.
Mark Wilson
vj3 wrote:
> Yes, Allan Donald is a very good bowler but, I would hesitate to rate
> him up there with the very best of all time. However, he has one of
> the
> most fluid looking bowling actions I have ever seen.
>
> I was somewhat disappointed when I saw him in New Zealand for the
> 94-95
> season. Coming to NZ with the title of "The fastest white bowler in
> the
> world", his speed was only mediocre. The speedball radar clocked him
> at
> his fastest at around the 131 km/h mark. Waqar Younis in NZ was
> clocked
> near the 140 km/h mark and Wasim Akram around 133 km/h. Glen McGrath
> was around 130 km/h. (Note that these were clocked in NZ and may vary
> with figures from other countries). NZ's very own Danny Morrison was
> clocked at an impressive 136 km/h.
> Vishakan.
Glenn McGrath and Donald both bowled deliveries at around 145km/h in
the Aus v SA series this year. Gillespie bowled an entire over at or
above that pace in a one-dayer. His spell at Headingley was undoubtedly
even quicker. As an English bastmen put it "it was like facing Alan
Donald armed with a late outswinger"
Cheers
Mark Wilson
Ambar Narayan
vj3 wrote:
>
> Yes, Allan Donald is a very good bowler but, I would hesitate to rate
> him up there with the very best of all time. However, he has one of the
> most fluid looking bowling actions I have ever seen.
>
> I was somewhat disappointed when I saw him in New Zealand for the 94-95
> season. Coming to NZ with the title of "The fastest white bowler in the
> world", his speed was only mediocre. The speedball radar clocked him at
> his fastest at around the 131 km/h mark. Waqar Younis in NZ was clocked
> near the 140 km/h mark and Wasim Akram around 133 km/h. Glen McGrath
> was around 130 km/h. (Note that these were clocked in NZ and may vary
> with figures from other countries). NZ's very own Danny Morrison was
> clocked at an impressive 136 km/h. So far, Danny Morrison has been the
> fastest white bowler clocked in NZ. Also note that this was in the
> 94-95 season and Donald has shortened his run up since then so in
> theory he should be even slower.
>
> He does get good bounce though and this is where most batsmen have
> trouble with him. The Sri Lankan and Indian teams have more trouble
> than most because they are a relatively short side. The Sri Lankan team
> have had a history of trouble against quality fast bowling anyway, be
> it Donald, Younis, Ambrose or Walsh ( Walsh has amazing figures of 5
> wickets for one run aginst SL in O.D.I).
>
> Anyway, back to the point, Donald is a good bowler but cannot really be
> considered as the best.
>
> Vishakan.
Against India in South Africa (96-97 tour) Donald consistently clocked between 140-145
kph, with the fastest ones being around 150 kph. On an average he was about 3-4 kph
quicker than Srinath, who was probably bowling the quickest he has ever bowled. The
fastest delivery of the tour was bowled by Klusener, Donald was consistently quicker
though. More importantly, he 'looked' very very quick and dangerous, can't think of
any other 'white' bowler who looks more threatening (including Mcgrath, who I would
rate almost as good)... haven't seen enough of Gillespie to comment on him though. I
remember Waqar's bowling speed being somewhere in this range, at least in one-day
matches in Pakistan and Sharjah. From what I have seen of him Waqar at full steam is
a probably a shade quicker than Donald though in all fairness comparisons would mean
very little unless both of them go flat out under the same conditions, like in the
same test match.
This is a different point altogether, but has anybody noticed the curious, almost
uncanny similarity between the test bowling stats of Mcgrath and Donald at this stage
of their respective careers? Till now, Mcgrath has played 34 tests and Donald has
played 33, and the similarity does not end there...... the following stats are from
cricinfo:
O M R W Ave Best 5 10 SR Econ
McGrath: 1355.3 356 3636 155 23.45 8-38 8 - 52.4 2.68
Donald: 1268.1 316 3621 155 23.36 8-71 8 2 49.0 2.85
Tin Tin
In article Bob Dubery writes:
> On 2 Sep 1997 09:42:44 GMT, v...@waikato.ac.nz (vj3) wrote:
> >The Sri Lankan team
> >have had a history of trouble against quality fast bowling anyway, be
> >it Donald, Younis, Ambrose or Walsh
> ...and Brett Schultz. Schultz is back on the UCB's list of contracted
> players and I'd imagine that some of the Sri Lankan batsmen might not
> be too keen on facing him on a fast strip.
Let's wait and see till November what will happen in Pakistan where SL and
South Africa is due to meet. I don't remember SL batsmen struggling against
South African bowling attack last time when they met in Kenya. It was a low
scoring affair (SA 169 all out, SL 170/8 after 40.4 overs) yet Kalu and Jaya
absolutely murdered Donald, Mcmillan and de Villiers. If I remember
correct the score was after 8 0r 9 overs 69. In one over Jaya and Kalu took
22 from Alan Donald which included 2 sixes and 2 fours. When things didn't go
well SA introduced spinners only after 9 overs. It was the spinner Symcox
who got both the openers out. This is how openers scored;
R B 4 6
Kalu 27 28 3 1
Jaya 45 30 8 1
Doesn't seem to me that they have struggled on this extremely difficult
pitch. Let's wait and see what Jaya has in store for Donald and Co. in the
upcoming ODI tournaments in Pakistan and South Africa.
Gopal Kapoor
They feared Thommo for another reason. They did not wear the protective
gear that they do today. (At least not all of it).
Pandu Dhanwada
Tin Tin wrote:
> R B 4 6
> Kalu 27 28 3 1
> Jaya 45 30 8 1
>
> Doesn't seem to me that they have struggled on this extremely difficult
> pitch. Let's wait and see what Jaya has in store for Donald and Co. in the
> upcoming ODI tournaments in Pakistan and South Africa.
At the same time we cant say that they had upper hand over donald. If
the above scores were consistent enough then we can assume that they
were good against genuine pace bowling. For example In one over Rahul
Dravid took charge of Donald took 20 odd runs including a straight six.
This doesnt mean that Rahul Dravid was all over Donald. Once in a while
it happens as it is one day cricket. If it keeps happenng consistently
then we can say that they are good.
Pandu
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> Well Allan Donald already has about 150 wickets or so. I truly feel that
> he would have crossed the 300 wicket mark possibly even the 350 wicket
> mark if South Africa had played more cricket.
Here is the score card when SL met SA last time
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NAIROBI- World Cup champions Sri Lanka overcame the problems of a difficult
pitch and a spirited South African fightback to win their one-day match by
two wickets in the Kenyan centenary four-nation cricket tournament on
Tuesday.
Flamboyant opener Sanath Jayasuriya was Sri Lanka's top scorer with a
30-ball 45, helping his side overhaul South Africa's total of 169 with 9.2
overs to spare.
Earlier off-spinner Muttiah Muralitheran took four for 35 on a pitch which
gave the slow bowlers prodigious turn.
Sri Lanka, the only unbeaten side in the competition, extended their winning
sequence to 13 in all one-day internationals.
Helped by a couple of dropped catches early on, Sri Lanka got off to their
customary flying start as Jayasuriya and Romesh Kaluwitharana (27) smashed
69 runs in only nine overs.
But the introduction of off-spinner Pat Symcox in the 10th over had
immediate effect.
Kaluwitharana perished first ball trying to unleash an expansive drive and,
two overs later, Jayasuriya was caught low down by Daryll Cullinan at cover
after top-edging a cut.
Symcox went on to return excellent figures of 10-1-20-2 as the Sri Lankan
middle and lower order faltered and number eight Kumar Dharmasena had to
fashion a responsible 18 not out to steer his team to victory.
Apart from a cultured 51 from Cullinan, South Africa struggled on a pitch on
which the ball was turning square.
Wickets fell at regular intervals as their batsmen tried to force the pace
and the Sri Lankan fielding, on a bumpy outfield, was impressive.
The biggest partnership of the South African innings was 36 for the fifth
wicket between Cullinan and captain Hansie Cronje.
But just when it seemed Cronje had found his batting touch, he produced an
ugly drive-cum-sweep to be bowled by Muralitheran for 15.
Cullinan's dismissal six overs later effectively ended South Africa's hopes
of totalling 200.
Having reached his 50 from 71 balls with four fours and a six, he misjudged
the length of the very first delivery from occasional off-spinner Aravinda
de Silva and was bowled attempting to pull. South Africa
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Maneesh Pingle
Buddhi Wickramaarachchi wrote:
>
> Gopal Kapoor wrote:
> >
> > Well Allan Donald already has about 150 wickets or so. I truly feel that
> > he would have crossed the 300 wicket mark possibly even the 350 wicket
> > mark if South Africa had played more cricket.
>
> Here is the score card when SL met SA last time
>
> Decision is yours.
>
Well,if you read this report that you posted a wee bit carefully, it's
obvious that this was not a wicket that provided assistance to pace
bowlers, but one that "afforded prodigous turn to slow bowlers" where
the ball was "turning square of the wicket". This is borne out quite
well by the fact that Murali got 4 for 35 and Symcox got
2 for 20 off 10 overs. So I wouldn't read too much about Allan Donald's
ability to bowl based on his performance in this *ONE* game...:-)
If you have doubts about his bowling, think about how many Sri Lankan
(or for that matter any teams) batsmen would like to face Donald bowling
to them on the Durban pitch that saw the Indians being skittled out for
166 *combined* in two innings!!! :-)
Cheers
Maneesh
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
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In article <VqDhBoAM...@jhall.demon.co.uk>,
John Hall <ne...@jhall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> In article <v9716890.0.s.pcm....@pukrs3.puk.ac.za>,
> David Reinecke <v9716890.0....@pukrs3.puk.ac.za> writes:
> >
> >
> >He is the greatest South African bowler of all time!
>
> alternative would be Neil Adcock (who had an average of almost exactly
> 20 IIRC).
> --
> John Hall
>
tests,
but his bowling records in both tests and first class cricket were
outstanding. Garth Leroux was another high class safrican fast
bowler. i
remember reading in the 1982 Benson and Hedges cricket annual that
Imran
and Leroux formed (for Sussex) "probably the most ferocious opening
attack in the world".
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On Thu, 4 Sep 1997, Tim Cotsford wrote:
> Bob Dubery wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, 2 Sep 1997 13:40:46 -0400, gk...@webtv.net (Gopal Kapoor)
> > wrote:
> > <snip!>
> > >It is a pity that there was a ban on South African cricket otherwise I
> > >feel that Donald could have easily crossed the 300 wicket mark.
> > Well, I don't know about 300... he's only been playing 1st class
> > cricket for about 10 years now. I recall his debut match at the
> > Wanderers - he was an unknown school kid who shocked the Transvaal
> > batting line up of the time (Pollock, Rice, Cook, Fotheringham et al)
> > with sheer speed. It was obvious that he was something special.
> >
> > But 300 wickets? He'd be well on the way by now that's for sure, but I
> > don't think he'd have got them just yet.
> >
> > The remark about the ban is pertinent. There's a huge gap in SA
> > cricket history that makes comparisons doubly hard for SA players.
> >
> > How might Procter have done if he'd had more than 4 tests? How about
> > Rice, Le Roux, Van Der Bijl who had exactly no test matches? What
> > might they have done? I'd have backed big Vince (VD Bijl) to take a
> > stack of test wickets - and at a good average. We'll never know.
> >
> > Bob Dubery
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> Hey Bob,
> this must be my day for agreeing with you.
> Yes, Big Vince, he was an absolute stormer when he played (all too
> briefly) for Middx in the late 70's.
> IIRC, he topped the averages that year, just pipping Big Joel.
> Might've had a similar Test record too, had he played any.
> What a pity we never got to find out.
>
> Cheers
>
> Tim
What about Barry Richards, one of the greatest post war batsman. From
memory he only played four tests. What a tragic waste.
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In article <8734102...@dejanews.com>,
fa_a...@acad.fandm.edu writes:
>In article <VqDhBoAM...@jhall.demon.co.uk>,
> John Hall <ne...@jhall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> In article <v9716890.0.s.pcm....@pukrs3.puk.ac.za>,
>> David Reinecke <v9716890.0....@pukrs3.puk.ac.za> writes:
>> >
>> >I have decided to voice my opinion on Allan Donald.
>> >
>> >He is the greatest South African bowler of all time!
>>
>> Certainly a strong candidate. As a fast bowler, the only serious
>> alternative would be Neil Adcock (who had an average of almost exactly
>> 20 IIRC).
>> --
>> John Hall
>>
>what about proctor and pollock? proctor didnt get to play too many
>tests,
>but his bowling records in both tests and first class cricket were
>outstanding.
I'd place Adcock slightly ahead of Peter Pollock. Procter might well
have been the best of them all, but as you say he only played a very
limited amount of Test cricket.
> Garth Leroux was another high class safrican fast
>bowler. i
>remember reading in the 1982 Benson and Hedges cricket annual that
>Imran
>and Leroux formed (for Sussex) "probably the most ferocious opening
>attack in the world".
Yep. Le Roux never got the chance to play Test cticket at all, of
course. Vintcent van der Bijl was another South African quick of this
period who might well have had a fine Test career had he had the
opportunity.
--
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Tim Cotsford
I saw Le Roux turn out in a Sussex shirt a few times and he was pretty
much on a par with most of the other great bowlers on the County circuit
at the time. And from some stats I have from the Packer WSC, he was in
fact the leading bowler of that organisation.
But Big Vince was an all time fave of mine, perhaps because he played
for Middx. :-)
Cheers
Tim
Bob Dubery
On 3 Sep 1997 09:09:55 GMT, e9...@efd.lth.se (Tin Tin) wrote:
<snip!>
>Doesn't seem to me that they have struggled on this extremely difficult
>pitch. Let's wait and see what Jaya has in store for Donald and Co. in the
>upcoming ODI tournaments in Pakistan and South Africa.
That's a valid point. But I'd imagine that Jaya and Co would be less
inclined to blaze away with the ball coming across them from leg and 3
slips in position - which would be the case with Schultz bowling.
I mean no disrespect to the Sri Lankan batsmen - who have been
spectacularly sucessful in ODIs - but IMO bowlers are little more than
cannon fodder in limited overs cricket.
Bob Dubery
On Fri, 5 Sep 1997 10:50:53 +1000, Michael Livingston
<n216...@student.fit.qut.edu> wrote:
>What about Barry Richards, one of the greatest post war batsman. From
>memory he only played four tests. What a tragic waste.
There's so many of them: Jimmy Cook, Henry Fotheringham, Ray Jennings
(who was surely the finest keeper of his time), Garth Le Roux, Peter
Kirsten, Kevin McKenzie, Ken McEwan, "Spook" Hanley, Mandy Yachad, Roy
Pienaar...
The "what if" games could go on forever. I don't want to rake up a
political argument here - SA's exile is in the past now - but you have
to say that in the late 70s/Early 80s SA would have fielded a *very*
strong side.
Bob Dubery
On Thu, 04 Sep 1997 19:32:56 -0700, Tim Cotsford
<med...@library.usyd.edu.au> wrote:
>Yes, Big Vince, he was an absolute stormer when he played (all too
>briefly) for Middx in the late 70's.
>IIRC, he topped the averages that year, just pipping Big Joel.
>Might've had a similar Test record too, had he played any.
>What a pity we never got to find out.
He would've been a heck of an ODI bowler too!
His last season was 82/3, and he played in the SA side that beat the
West Indian tourists. In 83/4 the result went to the West Indians -
and IMO a big part of the difference in the sides was that Big Vince
wasn't playing. As long as Kirsten (then captain) had Van Der Bijl he
could keep one end quite.
Sid Boyce
David Reinecke wrote:
>
> I have decided to voice my opinion on Allan Donald.
>
David Gower just yesterday and Donald in full action, I'll be glued to
my TV tomorrow to watch him.
I once saw him at Worcestershire when his captain had 3 fielders at
third man, but couldn't stop the nicks from going for 4's, that was when
Tom Moody made 220 in the day, boy, that was the streakiest 200 odd
you'll ever see, he was getting behind the line and offering no catches,
but he must have score 150 through third man. Talking to Steve Perryman
(Warwickshire coach) a few weeks later, amazingly he said that Neil
Smith (now Warks Capt.) had uttered the same words to him.
He bounced Hick who only flicked his head back after the ball was off
his helmet and half way down to the fine leg boundary, the next ball was
a yorker and Hick wasn't prepared to put his eyes down and the stumps
were in a right mess, another day Donald would have walked off with
figures of 9 for, he was magnificent.
The one time he disappointed was on the tour to England, no extreme
pace or good length and you must admit he had a meagre tour over all. I
put it down to inexperience at test level, as I knew he was a class act.
A bowler like Donald has the class and ability, he's built as a fast
bowling machine and he bowls a mean length.
I look forward to the next SA vs. WI series, whenever that is, it'll be
just like the old Barbados vs. Jamaica meet, pace like fire from both
sides.
Regards
--
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Mad Hamish
On Tue, 2 Sep 1997 13:40:46 -0400, gk...@webtv.net (Gopal Kapoor) wrote:
>Allan Donald would most definitely appear on most people's World XI.
I don't think so.
I'd venture to suggest that most world xis at the minute would have pace attacks
something like
McGrath
Ambrose
Akram
with Younis probably next cab off the rack.
Donald wouldn't be too far out of contention but I think it's safe to rate
McGrath, Ambrose and Akram ahead of his and probably Younis as well.
> He
>would definitely appear on my list as he is one of the premier fast
>bowlers in current cricket.
Well I don't think it's that obvious. I'd say he'd be behind at least 4 quicks
and there are some others who would at least be pushing him for a place. Walsh,
Srinath (recentish form only) Vaas.
>
>It is a pity that there was a ban on South African cricket otherwise I
>feel that Donald could have easily crossed the 300 wicket mark.
Maybe, but I'd be much more interested in how the 70s attack of Pollock,
Proctor, leRoux, Rice, Van Der Biji would have done.
Not to mention the batting linup of Richards, Barlow, Cook, Pollock, etc.
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Gopal Kapoor
Well Mad Hamish. I say Tomato you say Tomaato. Nobody is saying that
Waqar is not a great bowler. He certainly is. I would pick Donald over
him in both Tests and one day cricket. It's a matter of opinion.
Although I am of Indian origin I certainly would not put Srinath in the
same league as either of these great bowlers. Good to know that you're
such a big fan of Srinath's.
Lester John
Saw the SA - SL match live, and I must say that I was very impressed
with the way the SL openers handled the SA quicks. Kaluwitharana handled
a short very quick ball from Alan Donald with, what started out as a
reflex
backward defensive ( close to the face ) and then as the ball met the
bat
literally pushed pushed it ( using both arms) over the inner ring of
fielders for 4 runs - Donald was not impressed.
Having said that, Donald has become a really bowler of late ..
Gopal Kapoor
This would be a good time to mention that in the 1992 World cup in the
South Africa vs England match. ( I believe it was the semi final)
Dermot Reeve hit Allan Donald for 16 ( or more)
runs in the last over.
The faster Donald bowled the faster he got hit.
Brings back some memories of the 95-96 World series Aus vs SL when Kalu
smacked Mcgrath.
( I believe it was 85 runs of his ten overs).
Great bowlers do get smacked around once in a while. But that is all it
is ONCE IN A WHILE.
Geoff Muldoon
"Upali De Silva" <des...@cyberone.com.au> wrote:
> Why is everyone bagging out Sanath ? Can't people give the man some credit.
>As for those people who think he can only get runs in Sri Lanka, he scored a
>century in Australia and several half centuries in the West Indies.
Who said 'everyone' is? A few people have called him a 'slogger', but
most of the postings I have seen have highly praised his recent
performances.
Are you over-sensitive?
Geoff M
Buddhi Wickramaarachchi
In your earlier post you mentioned that SL were poor performers vs SA.
It is good that you came across the facts.
The truth is that SL did not face SA apart from that match for 3 years.
Next year SL is shedule to tour SA for 2 test series.
Untill then we cannot predict how they perform.
In my view SL is much more improved team.
SA always had a very good attack.
Then again the question arises. Will a two test series is enough.
What would have been the outcome of Ashes had they play two test.
Gopal Kapoor
Good point. A two match series is not enough.
It should be minimum three match preferably a five match series.
However I am not critizing Sri Lanka. I think they are an excellent (if
not incredible) one day team. A much improved test team. However against
South Africa they will have a tough time.
However they have two superstars in batting who are better than any
South African batsman.
So anything's possible. However, in the test series South Africa should
win 2-0 if playing in South Africa. If playing in Sri lanka than it will
be tough to predict the outcome.
The one day series will be more exciting and once again if played in
South Africa they should prevail if playing in Sri Lanka SL should win.
Matthew T. Jackson
|> So anything's possible. However, in the test series South Africa should
|> win 2-0 if playing in South Africa. If playing in Sri lanka than it will
|> be tough to predict the outcome.
After India's tour, I'd be tempted to predict 0-0, despite SA's attack.
Matthew
Gopal Kapoor
Yes that is a possibility. ( 0-0 ). However, I just hope we get a
result. And if any team can do it South Africa can. With Donald,
Schultz, Pollock,
Mcmillan and Klusener. Not to mention Adams.
Is De Villiers going to be in the squad or not ?
Bob Dubery
On Wed, 10 Sep 1997 01:04:45 -0400, gk...@webtv.net (Gopal Kapoor)
wrote:
<snip!>
>Is De Villiers going to be in the squad or not ?
Fanie de Villiers has had his contract renewed for another year. He is
not included in the Test squad for the tour to Pakistan, but may well
come into the reckoning for subsequent series - including the one at
home against Sri Lanka.
Ganesh Prasad Shetty
On 3 Sep 1997, Tin Tin wrote:
>
>
>
> In article Bob Dubery writes:
>
> > On 2 Sep 1997 09:42:44 GMT, v...@waikato.ac.nz (vj3) wrote:
>
>
> > >The Sri Lankan team
> > >have had a history of trouble against quality fast bowling anyway, be
> > >it Donald, Younis, Ambrose or Walsh
>
>
>
>
> > ...and Brett Schultz. Schultz is back on the UCB's list of contracted
> > players and I'd imagine that some of the Sri Lankan batsmen might not
> > be too keen on facing him on a fast strip.
>
>
>
>
> Let's wait and see till November what will happen in Pakistan where SL and
> South Africa is due to meet. I don't remember SL batsmen struggling against
> South African bowling attack last time when they met in Kenya. It was a low
> scoring affair (SA 169 all out, SL 170/8 after 40.4 overs) yet Kalu and Jaya
> absolutely murdered Donald, Mcmillan and de Villiers. If I remember
> correct the score was after 8 0r 9 overs 69. In one over Jaya and Kalu took
> 22 from Alan Donald which included 2 sixes and 2 fours. When things didn't go
> well SA introduced spinners only after 9 overs. It was the spinner Symcox
> who got both the openers out. This is how openers scored;
>
> R B 4 6
> Kalu 27 28 3 1
> Jaya 45 30 8 1
>
>
> Doesn't seem to me that they have struggled on this extremely difficult
> pitch. Let's wait and see what Jaya has in store for Donald and Co. in the
> upcoming ODI tournaments in Pakistan and South Africa.
>
>
With all the restrictions on bowlers in ODIs, those figures don't seem
surprising. Thats one reason Michael Bevan ranks as one of the top batsmen
in ODI cricket.
Once again Tin-Tin, please tell us how the Sri Lankan legends fared
against Donald & Schultz when the South Africans last toured Sri Lanka.
Ganesh P. Shetty
Tin Tin
In article Ganesh Prasad Shetty writes
> > R B 4 6
> > Kalu 27 28 3 1
> > Jaya 45 30 8 1
> > Doesn't seem to me that they have struggled on this extremely difficult
> > pitch. Let's wait and see what Jaya has in store for Donald and Co. in the
> > upcoming ODI tournaments in Pakistan and South Africa.
> With all the restrictions on bowlers in ODIs, those figures don't seem
> surprising. Thats one reason Michael Bevan ranks as one of the top batsmen
> in ODI cricket.
> Once again Tin-Tin, please tell us how the Sri Lankan legends fared
> against Donald & Schultz when the South Africans last toured Sri Lanka.
> Ganesh P. Shetty
Another one of those crap masters who wrote bullshit about Jayasuriya and
Aravinda few months ago seem to have re-appeared from hibernation. Now he
is talking about "restrictions on bowlers". Get a life. I don't intend to
respond to hypocrites like you.
robinson
> On 3 Sep 1997, Tin Tin wrote:
> > Let's wait and see till November what will happen in Pakistan where SL and
> > South Africa is due to meet. I don't remember SL batsmen struggling against
> > South African bowling attack last time when they met in Kenya. It was a low
> > scoring affair (SA 169 all out, SL 170/8 after 40.4 overs) yet Kalu and Jaya
> > absolutely murdered Donald, Mcmillan and de Villiers. If I remember
> > correct the score was after 8 0r 9 overs 69. In one over Jaya and Kalu took
> > 22 from Alan Donald which included 2 sixes and 2 fours. When things didn't go
> > well SA introduced spinners only after 9 overs. It was the spinner Symcox
> > who got both the openers out. This is how openers scored;
> >
> > Kalu 27 28 3 1
> > Jaya 45 30 8 1
> >
> >
> > Doesn't seem to me that they have struggled on this extremely difficult
> > pitch. Let's wait and see what Jaya has in store for Donald and Co. in the
> > upcoming ODI tournaments in Pakistan and South Africa.
The relevant question is, what happens in the next test match that Sri Lanka plays against SAfrica. Given the
kind of restrictions that one-dayers impose on bowlers, e.g depriving the fast bowler the use of bouncer as a
legitimate weapon against the batsman (as an aside, to make things fair, why not ban the ugly glides thru the
slips, the agricultural hoiks over point and so on?), the best place to judge the ability of a fast bowler is
not the one-day arena. Given the way these things are even the greatest admirer of Donald will not argue that
he is the best one-day bowler around (the same can be said about Waqar as well), Gavin Larsen and Angus
Fraser would most likely be more useful than them on batsman-friendly pitches. However coming to the match you
are talking of, the story would be incomplete without Donald's match figures : 9.4-2-35-2. If he indeed went
for 22 in one over he must have bowled 8.4 overs for 13 runs and 2 wickets (including De Silva's), not so bad
right? At least present the full story before announcing the verdict of 'murder'. The pitch, by the way,
helped spinners more than it helped fast bowlers.
The fact is, Donald, Schultz & co. will be a handful for any batting team in Test matches under most
conditions. I am sure Sri Lankan batsmen will agree after their experiences against them at home last time
Safrica visited them, much the same way Indians would after the infamous 66 at Durban.
Gopal Kapoor
Robinson mentioned that " even the best admirers of Donald will admit
that he's not the best one day bowler."
He may not be the best but he is certainly amongst the top 5 one day
internationals fast bowlers today.
Mad Hamish
Which is why he now normally bowls at first change for South Africa in tests, or
even after the fielding restrictions are lifted.
Bob Dubery
On Sat, 13 Sep 1997 14:00:24 GMT, h_l...@tassie.net.au (Mad Hamish)
wrote:
>Which is why he now normally bowls at first change for South Africa in tests, or
>even after the fielding restrictions are lifted.
I think he feels more comfortable coming on a little later and knowing
he can have a third man. The official line is that he finds it hard to
control the white ball when it's new - but that may be disinformation.