Confused- Chinaman and Googly

[John McEncroe]

ramp...@ecn.purdue.edu (Ramprasad Ramakrishna) wrote:
>ne
>Paul Adams, a left-arm chinaman and googly
>bowler ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Now I always thought the chinaman was the googly delivered by a left
>hander.
>
>Whats the take on this?
>
>let me know
>thanks
>Prasad
>

No, the chinaman is a left hand bowler bowling "leg spin", ie spinning the ball
in the same direction as a right arm off spinner.
If the left hand spin bowler were to bowl a googly (or wrong un) it would spin
in the same direction as a right hand leg spin ball.
Hope that helps,
John.

[Eitan Prince]

In <47nqvp$d...@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> ramp...@ecn.purdue.edu (Ramprasad Ramakrishna) writes:

>Now I always thought the chinaman was the googly delivered by a left
>hander.

>Whats the take on this?

You are correct the chinaman is the googly bowled with the left arm. It is a
common misunderstanding however that the chinaman is a left arm leg break.

BTW the left arm googly is one which spins away from the right handed
batsman and into the left.

Eitan
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.. but "Straight Outta [Cape Town]"

[dau...@aztec.co.za]

That style of bowling is named, it is thought, after one Edgar Ellis
Achong, a West Indian of Chinese extraction. He played test cricket
between 1929 & 1935.

Now who can name the England player involved. Achong bowled a
well-regarded England player (Hobbs?) who, as he walked away in disgust
at being totally bamboozled by the debutante Achong said "I never thought
I'd see the day I was bowled by a Chinaman".

Whereupon one of the fielders asked "do you mean the ball or the bowler?"

Bob Dubery
Johannesburg
RSA

PS this aint a quiz. I really can't remember who said what to whom.

[Dave Liverman]

In article <47nqvp$d...@mozo.cc.purdue.edu>, ramp...@cn.ecn.purdue.edu wrote:

> ne
> Paul Adams, a left-arm chinaman and googly
> bowler ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>

> Now I always thought the chinaman was the googly delivered by a left
> hander.
>

Ah this thread again. Much misinformation spread last time we went through this.
CHINAMAN: the left arm equivalent of a leg break. Bowled from the side of
the hand, and spins into the RH bat (off to leg).
LA GOOGLY: no special name. Bowled from the back of the hand, spins away
from the RH bat (leg to off).

don't believe what anyone else tells you!

Much interest in this after Adam's performance today I would think.
Apparently his stock ball is the googly (generally more effective against
RH bats), with the chinaman as variation.
Dave

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[Ahmad Saidullah]

In article <47vvec$b...@aztec.co.za>, <dau...@aztec.co.za> wrote:
>That style of bowling is named, it is thought, after one Edgar Ellis
>Achong, a West Indian of Chinese extraction. He played test cricket
>between 1929 & 1935.
>
>Now who can name the England player involved. Achong bowled a
>well-regarded England player (Hobbs?) who, as he walked away in disgust
>at being totally bamboozled by the debutante Achong said "I never thought
>I'd see the day I was bowled by a Chinaman".
>

The story I heard was about Hutton. More in his chracter I should
have thought.

Ahmad

[dau...@aztec.co.za]

>No, the chinaman is a left hand bowler bowling "leg spin", ie spinning the ball
>in the same direction as a right arm off spinner.
>If the left hand spin bowler were to bowl a googly (or wrong un) it would spin
>in the same direction as a right hand leg spin ball.
>Hope that helps,
>John.
>

It's easy to get confused about this when watching Adams bowl as he
actually bowls the googly as his stock ball.

THe left hand wrist spinner would be expected to turn the ball into the
right handed batsman. Adams' stock ball turns AWAY from the right handed
batsman (this is the left handed bowlers googly). For variations he has
one that comes back at the batsman and a top-spinner. He also holds the
ball in both hands almost until the point of release thus hiding his grip.

[Roy Harrison]

> That style of bowling is named, it is thought, after one Edgar Ellis
>
>

> Now who can name the England player involved. Achong bowled a
> well-regarded England player (Hobbs?) who, as he walked away in disgust
> at being totally bamboozled by the debutante Achong said "I never thought
> I'd see the day I was bowled by a Chinaman".
>

> Whereupon one of the fielders asked "do you mean the ball or the bowler?"
>
> Bob Dubery
> Johannesburg
> RSA
>
> PS this aint a quiz. I really can't remember who said what to whom.
>

I'm fairly sure it was R.C Robertson-Glasgow (known as Crusoe). He
it was who used to read several pages of Wisden evry night before
going to sleep. They reckon he got through the whole set several
times in his lifetime.

Roy Harrison
Winchester
hampshire, UK

[Bob Dubery]

In article <483e24$c...@zeus.tcp.co.uk>, Roy Harrison <ca...@tcp.co.uk> says:

>> Now who can name the England player involved. Achong bowled a
>> well-regarded England player (Hobbs?) who, as he walked away in disgust
>> at being totally bamboozled by the debutante Achong said "I never thought
>> I'd see the day I was bowled by a Chinaman".

You can't imagine how much sleep I've lost over this.

Exhasutive (ouch! bad pun) research reveals that is was Patsy Hendren. He
came up against Achong in 1930.