[NEWS FLASH] Prabhakar and Mongia DROPPED!
Rohan Chandran
drop Prabhakar and Mongia for the remainder of the 3 nation tournament
for disciplinary reasons. Those being that the two batsmen scored 15
runs (3 or 4 of them wides) in the last 7 overs and a bit of the
recent ODI against West Indies. During which time Prabhakar
incidentally reached a century (sheer conincidence Im sure.. NOT)
Anyway, they're out, and Vijay Yadav and A.N.Other are drafted into
the squad. Not a choice I'd agree with, but the principle of the
action is a great one. More power to the selectors!! (Well, maybe not
literally :) )
Cheers,
Rohan
V.R.Kumar
>Yes! The Indian selectors do have balls after all! They have chosen to
>drop Prabhakar and Mongia for the remainder of the 3 nation tournament
>for disciplinary reasons. Those being that the two batsmen scored 15
>runs (3 or 4 of them wides) in the last 7 overs and a bit of the
>recent ODI against West Indies. During which time Prabhakar
>incidentally reached a century (sheer conincidence Im sure.. NOT)
>
>
>Rohan
good decision. This will make others realise that Indian cricket does not
depend on them as there are many other promising youngsters waiting in a
big queue to get a chance. This decision will definitely improve the
discipline of the team.
Regards,
V R Kumar
Balakrishnan G Nair
This is one of the best decisions I've ever known the selectors to make.
I remember that during the game, some of us at IRC suggested the same
solution :) But I didnt have the vaguest notion that the selectors would
have the guts to go through with it. Kudos to GRV and co. That should
remind the guys out there that they arent in there for improving their personal
statistics but to do whatever they can to win. If we had tried and got bowled
out for 225, it would have been just another one-dayer. But giving up with
66 runs to get in 8 overs just cant be tolerated.
-Balky
(The Debo-Nair)
Pramod Koshy
A very good decision. Manoj Prabhakar medium pace will never be
penetrative on the batting tracks in west India. Let me try and guess his
replacement.
1. Prashanth Vaidya - Chances are very high that this is the guy.
2. Salil Ankola - Second Choise.
3. Abhey Kurruvilla - My choise , but chances of him getting a place in the
Indian side are pretty bleak when he cannot even find a place in the West
Zone side.
Hopefully this is the end of Manoj Prabhakar, atleast for the test matches.
Chetan Sharma too has never been match winning , again hope his inclusion is
restricted to ODI's.
Venkatesh Prasad - This cricketeer is the most promising bowler in India.
Agreed ,he is just medium, but being slow does not make him bad does it ?
A lot of people consider him much better than Srinath. I think by the end of
the current season, he will have taken the mantle of strike bowler from
Srinath and A Kumble.
Neither Nayan M nor Yadav have ever been good wk's though both are good bats.
Either of them can be chosen for the ODI's but for the test matches India
needs to find a good WK.
Looks like Anil Kumble and co are being smashed by the WI batsmen. But the
tests are going to be a totally different story. I do not think that the
present WI batsman have the capabilities to stop Anil spinning India to a
series win.
Pramod Koshy.
[ I have learnt an important lesson, never critisize another country or
another countries players. The one time I tried to do it I got flamed . What
is the point of a world forum if all that you want to hear from others is what
you would like to hear only. The chances are that your country men have the
same likes and dislikes as yourself and when you read a posting from them
you are reading nothing new. I for one prefer reading posts written by
posters other than Indians. ]
Karthikeyan Madathil
>>>>> "Rohan" == Rohan Chandran <ro...@Xenon.Stanford.EDU> writes:
Rohan> Anyway, they're out, and Vijay Yadav and A.N.Other are
^^^^^^^^^
aka Rahul Dravid. I'd have preferred Manjrekar though.
When India desperately needed a hitter, Bedade was carrying
towels. Not the best selection policy, in hindsight. Jadeja seems
to need some time to settle, so maybe he'll open now.
Mongia seemed to deserve the punishment, the way he batted.
On the whole, it does seem a little harsh on Prabhakar.
Ciao,
Karthik
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Sadiq Yusuf
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>>>>>> "Rohan" == Rohan Chandran <ro...@Xenon.Stanford.EDU> writes:
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> Rohan> Anyway, they're out, and Vijay Yadav and A.N.Other are
> ^^^^^^^^^
> aka Rahul Dravid. I'd have preferred Manjrekar though.
>
Yep, one certainly would. Its amazing to me that Dravid has been
included in the side - amazing, and shocking. Sometimes, one really does
wonder if the selectors have *any* brains at all.
Here, we need a replacement for Prabhakar, an all-rounder, if
anything, a bowler-batsman rather than a batsman-bowler. And you replace
him with Dravid ?? What are they trying to do ? I mean, it looks like we
cant possibly play more than 2 spinners in an ODI, the way they've been
gettig hit - it seems like it would be a good idea to play 4 seamers,
actually. Instead, we now are reduced to just Srinath, Prasad and Chetan
as the *only* seamers in the 14 !! One good one, one who hasnt done much
to convince yet, and one who hasnt played international cricket for a
couple of years. Its amazing.
And how does Dravid make it to the 14 anyway, even if they are
looking for a pure batsman ? For one, Manjrekar should be *way* ahead of
him in the running - he's a proven international commodity and has been
in outstanding form ( a ton and a 50 in the Iranis, plus a ton in the
finals of the premier OD tournament in the country). Plus, he offers
far more variety than Dravid - he can open or bat in the middle
order,which Dravid cannot.
Also, even if you are looking for a pure middle-order bat, has
Amre disappeared totally from the scene ? His 2nd last ODI inning, as
far as I can remember, was a gritty 49 which rescued India from 50 odd
for 4 (in the company of Azhar) and enabled the team to get what
eventually proved to be a winning score.
Also, will Dravid play in the 11 ? If so, how ? I for one cannot
see any room at all - Bedade has to come in now, after the ignominous
failure to chase, surely ? And if he doesnt, what then ? Are you going
to just drop him from the side without ever having played him ?
What *I* think will happen is this - I believe he will probably
not play a game. However, because it isnt "fair" to drop him without
giving him an opportunity, he will stay in the Indian 14 (or 16 or
whatever it will be). And he will automatically become the next man in
line for a middle order spot. In other words, a not-dissimilar story
to Prasad's. And no one will ever question if he should indeed be the
next man in line for the middle-order slot - if, maybe, Shamshad (who
averaged 131 in the Ranjis, and 48 compared to Dravid's 13 in the
Duleeps) should be in line ahead of him. Or Sugwekar, who also averaged
in the 130's last season in the Ranjis. Or even Saurav Ganguly, who
averaged about the same in the Ranjis, more in the Duleeps, is younger
and a lefty, and offers the added dimension of his bowling to boot.
Oh, BTW, I remember a couple of Karnataka-backers alleging a
pro-Bombay bias in the selection committee in the past. Anyone want to
bring that up now ? :-) Or does the fact that Vishy was a "nice guy" and
a good-looking bat automatically make him innocent of any and all
possible charges, for the rest of his perfect life ? :-) :-)
> When India desperately needed a hitter, Bedade was carrying
> towels. Not the best selection policy, in hindsight. Jadeja seems
> to need some time to settle, so maybe he'll open now.
>
Yep, exactly. Besides, why is Jadeja there anyway, if he isnt
going to bowl ? Does *anyone* know that ? Here we have Bedade, who came
in at 21/4 v/s WI. Sure,he may not have been totally convincing. But he
scored 51 coming in at that stage, when the top order had failed before
him. In the next game, he came in at about 110/4 and was 12 not out when
it rained. And then he was gone, out of the team, for Jadeja. One
figured it might be because they wanted Jadeja to open and drop SRT down
the order (that was the impression given from the comments), and because
Jadeja would offer the extra dimension of his bowling. Instead,
Pkar continued to open and Jadeja was played as a specialist #6 batsman
- its now been 3 games, and he has yet to bowl a single ball !! In one
game, Raju went for 38 runs in 7 overs and SRT 27 runs in 3 overs - one
would have thought it was worth trying Jadeja out, he might not have
done worse. The next game, SRT got 2 wickets and was India's best bowler
- surely Jadeja, a similar type of bowler, should get at least a couple
of overs, just to see how he goes ? Especially as Pkar went for 50 off 6
overs and Prasad 36 off 7 overs (and that's while *not* bowling more
than 1 over in the slogs). If Jadeja is not going to bowl a single ball,
he is effectively being played as a pure batsman. If that is the case, I
personally would rather see Bedade ahead of him (as a specialist #6
bat), or Manjrekar (as a specialist pure bat, Manjrekar should be in
ahead of Jadeja too).
> Mongia seemed to deserve the punishment, the way he batted.
Yes, he probably did. I personally was hoping for Dighe - he's a
better keeper than Yadav and just as good a hitter, IMHO. But I can see
Yadav being picked (though I dont have to be happy about it :-)
Actually, I'd like to get a chance to see some of these games.
Mongia has appeared a little iffy - a dropped catch off Lara, 2 missed
stumpings off Prabhakar in consecutive balls (what does he think he is
keeping up to Pkar anyway ? :-). And in the final over of the inning v/s
NZ, he let through 4 byes off Pkar (which to me meant he was keeping up
again - if not,he ought to at least get enough of a glove onto someone
of Pkars pace to slow the ball down). Maybe the dropping will help him
get his mind straight for the test matches.
> On the whole, it does seem a little harsh on Prabhakar.
>
Hum. I was one of the couple of guys who advocated dropping
Prabhakar on disciplinary grounds on irc, nearing the end of the Indian
innings. However, on going back and looking at the log of the end of the
inning, I wonder. He was bad - there is no question about that.
However,he wasnt quite as bad as I first thought. Between overs 43-47 or
so, where the match was really lost, he got about 6 off 8 or 9 balls -
not great, but nowhere near as bad as my original impression. Mongia was
the truly awful one in this period. And seemingly after 47 overs, both
of them just decided the game was lost and gave up - after that, one
see's forward defensive shots and Pkar merely trying for his ton.
In hindsight, I'd probably still drop Pkar for a game on
disciplinary grounds, and give Mongia the harsher penalty of dropping
him from the rest of the tournament. So, I sorta agree, IMHO it might be
a tad harsh on Pkar (though there ought to be a punishment, I think).
Sadiq [ not completely happy ] Yusuf
P.S. BTW, according to the latest reports received, Rajendra Dhanraj has
so far bowled 9 overs, taking 4 wickets for 24 runs in the ODI vs NZ.
Time for all lovers of spin-bowling and entertaining cricket to rejoice
:-)
> Ciao,
> Karthik
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: Yes! The Indian selectors do have balls after all! They have chosen to
: Cheers,
: Rohan
GOOD CALL!!!
satish
Sanjoy Majumder
the selection of these 2. Dravid had a 40+ score in the first inns but both
Dravid and Yadav had centuries in the second (RD 132*, VY 111). Both were
really quick 100s in which they (according to the Hindu) took the Bombay
attack apart. Bahutule was particularly hit around. In the same match Dighe
dropped Yadav when he was in his 80s.
Still it is a strange decision to bring Dravid in. Yadav is seen as the second
keeper in India today; Dighe is nowhere in contention (in selectors' minds ie.
or so it seems to me). Amre ruled himself out with his poor scores in the
Irani. It is ironic though that Manjrekar's recent form in the Wills finals
and Irani too did not propel him into the team. I have to say I agree with
Sadiq...4 players from Karnataka in the national side (and Karnataka were only
quarterfinalists in the Ranji trophy)...yep! Vishwanath is really rooting for
his state...first Ankola goes for no fault of his, Prasad becomes a certainty
very mysteriously after indifferent performances in New Zealand and Sharjah
and now Dravid.
BTW, to whoever said Prasad is the most promising bowler in the Indian
team...I *strongly* disagree. Srinath is *the* bowler in the side; he has done
very well in the only 2 tests he has played in the last 2 years. And he has 98
ODI wickets in 64 games. He is your #1 bowler well ahead of Prasad and matched
only by Kumble. I have strong reservations about Prasad's ability on unhelpful
wickets.
Sanjoy
Karthikeyan Madathil
>>>>> "Sadiq" == Sadiq Yusuf <si...@iastate.edu> writes:
[A few lines deleted]
Sadiq> more than 1 over in the slogs). If Jadeja is not going to
Sadiq> bowl a single ball, he is effectively being played as a
Sadiq> pure batsman. If that is the case, I personally would
Sadiq> rather see Bedade ahead of him (as a specialist #6 bat), or
Sadiq> Manjrekar (as a specialist pure bat, Manjrekar should be in
Sadiq> ahead of Jadeja too).
Considering SRT's figures in a couple of recent matches, I wonder if
we need the fifth 'real' bowler at all. SRT and Jadeja could share
10 overs. I can't see them being carted on a pitch where Raju wouldn't
be. We could most certainly use the extra bat, especially with the Don
out of form and Azhar's penchant for falling to spectacular catches when
he's set :-)
Talking of Kambli, he seems to be most succesful at the No 3 spot and a
little disappointing at others. Is there a case for moving him up the
order? Sidhu hasn't quite been a failure at No 3, so I'm not quite sure
if that would be the right thing.
>> On the whole, it does seem a little harsh on Prabhakar.
>>
Sadiq> Hum. I was one of the couple of guys who advocated
Sadiq> dropping Prabhakar on disciplinary grounds on irc, nearing
Sadiq> the end of the Indian innings. However, on going back and
I was baying for his blood too. Having seen the debacle, it was quite
easy to do. On reflection, it didn't seem quite called for. He'd done
hsi job, sticking around while the others fell. A one match suspension
might have done.
Sadiq> looking at the log of the end of the inning, I wonder. He
Sadiq> was bad - there is no question about that. However,he
Sadiq> wasnt quite as bad as I first thought. Between overs 43-47
Sadiq> or so, where the match was really lost, he got about 6 off
Sadiq> 8 or 9 balls - not great, but nowhere near as bad as my
Yes, he didn't step up his pace, but he didn't step it down either.
He'd been scoring at that rate all day. That's no real excuse
for not trying to slog when he saw Mongia wasn't trying, but it's
something.
Sadiq> penalty of dropping him from the rest of the
Sadiq> tournament. So, I sorta agree, IMHO it might be a tad harsh
Sadiq> on Pkar (though there ought to be a punishment, I think).
In passing, wasn't it Prabhakar who came in to the team when Kaps
had that infamous suspension slapped on him? The situation is bad
enough without a tinge of the ironic in it.
Sadiq> P.S. BTW, according to the latest reports received,
Sadiq> Rajendra Dhanraj has so far bowled 9 overs, taking 4
Sadiq> wickets for 24 runs in the ODI vs NZ. Time for all lovers
Sadiq> of spin-bowling and entertaining cricket to rejoice :-)
There were two more legspinners on display towards the end, Lara
and _Walsh_. Lara turned his arm over a bit after the match was as good
as won, and Walsh bowled two overs of wrist-spin at the end. He had
the same rib cage line though, and it was difficult to see which way
he was turning the ball :-) Jimmy Adams missed a stumping off Walsh,
who could clearly be seen shouting DAMN with a broad grin on his face.
I wonder if this means Murray will play the final :-)
Karthik
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Sadiq Yusuf
>It's pretty obvious to me that the Irani trophy match has strongly influenced
>the selection of these 2. Dravid had a 40+ score in the first inns but both
>Dravid and Yadav had centuries in the second (RD 132*, VY 111). Both were
>really quick 100s in which they (according to the Hindu) took the Bombay
>attack apart. Bahutule was particularly hit around. In the same match Dighe
>dropped Yadav when he was in his 80s.
> Still it is a strange decision to bring Dravid in. Yadav is seen as the second
>keeper in India today; Dighe is nowhere in contention (in selectors' minds ie.
>or so it seems to me).
So it seems, and its amazing if it is indeed true. Dighe broke
the all-time record for dismissals for a keeper in the Ranji Trophy last
season - no, he actually *smashed* the record to smithereens. The record
had been 28 victims for a long period. Then, in the early 80s (1980, I
believe), it was broken and taken to 29 victims. In the latish 80s (I
believe in 1989) it was broken again, and the new record was set at 30
victims. Note, this is a bit like the record in the 100 metres, its
being broken one victim at a time. Last year, it was broken again, by
Dighe, who had 36 victims in the series - it was broken by *six* victims
this time.
Yes, Dighe did drop Yadav when he was in his 80s in the Irani.
However, he also got Yadav when he was about 110, holding a very good
catch, according to the Times of India. He also did not let through a
single bye in the 2nd innings - an innings that lasted 144 overs (and
ROI were following on, which means this 144 overs began *after* Dighe
had already been keeping for 70 overs in the first innings). BTW, Yadav
also dropped a catch in the Bombay first innings - he dropped Barucha at
35, and Barucha went on to get an unbeaten 167, carrying his bat in the
process.
I'd have liked to see Dighe in here, yes. But Yadav is a
reasonable choice - he can hit very well, and we have seen him hit in
the ODIs at the international level, we havent seen Dighe do the same
(thats cos he hasnt played, of course :-) It could work either way - go
with the known commodity, or the young prospect. I happen to think Dighe
is a far superior wicketkeeper,but thats relatively unimportant for the
ODIs I suppose. So, no real beef with Yadav being picked. But
unquestionably a beef with the idea that Dighe isnt in contention at all
- I personally cant see what more he could possibly do to get into
contention. I hope he will be picked for the Board Presidents XI vs WI
at the very least. I mean, I know Avinash Vaidya is from Karnataka, but
surely there is a limit, even with GRV ? :-)
Amre ruled himself out with his poor scores in the
>Irani. It is ironic though that Manjrekar's recent form in the Wills finals
>and Irani too did not propel him into the team. I have to say I agree with
>Sadiq...4 players from Karnataka in the national side (and Karnataka were only
>quarterfinalists in the Ranji trophy)...yep! Vishwanath is really rooting for
>his state...first Ankola goes for no fault of his, Prasad becomes a certainty
>very mysteriously after indifferent performances in New Zealand and Sharjah
>and now Dravid.
Yep, exactly. Heck, Manjrekar got a ton in the Wills finals, in
an ODI. He got a 70 in the Deodhar game, also an OD game. He had 117 in
134 balls in the Irani finals (v/s an attack of Vaidya, Siddiqui, Kamal,
Subramanium and Kapoor). He then had a 52 in the 2nd innings, coming in
at 8/1 (BTW, for those who didnt know, Amol joined Manjrekar at 17/2,
with ROI making a push for victory. He scored a terrific unbeaten 55 to
guide Bombay to safety and the triumphant last leg of the Domestic Grand
Slam :-) But really, what more can Manjrekar be expected to do ?
> BTW, to whoever said Prasad is the most promising bowler in the Indian
>team...I *strongly* disagree. Srinath is *the* bowler in the side; he has done
>very well in the only 2 tests he has played in the last 2 years. And he has 98
>ODI wickets in 64 games. He is your #1 bowler well ahead of Prasad and matched
>only by Kumble. I have strong reservations about Prasad's ability on unhelpful
>wickets.
>
So do I. I think he'll be a fine bowler on helpful tracks - he
will keep it on line, get a little bounce due to his height, and when
the ball seams he'll get a few wickets if the batsmen try to hit him
around. This was clearly demonstrated in the Bombay ODI, against WI. It
was a terrific seaming wicket, an overcast dull day (with Bombay being
lashed by the monsoons, and even an interruption in play later in the
day), and a grassy seaming wicket. Prasad did very well, ended up with 3
wickets. However, in the last 2 games when the wickets haven't been
wonderful to bowl on, he has gone for 49 runs in 10 overs in one game
and 36 runs in 7 overs in the other game - and he's been wicketless in
both. He's also been hit for a six in each of the games - once over
midwicket (by Stephen Fleming) and over long-off (by Arthurton, I
think). At best, the jury is out on him - to call him India's most
promising bowler is ridiculous.
Sadiq [ still not very happy ] Yusuf
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