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StraightDrive

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Apr 19, 2011, 7:08:26 PM4/19/11
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Fleming slams Duckworth-Lewis method


Stan Rayan
KOCHI: Tony Lewis, one of the men behind the Duckworth-Lewis method that is
used to sort out rain-hit cricket matches, revealed recently that he often
receives hate mail.

Stephen Fleming, the Chennai Super Kings coach, could be sending one too one
of these days. The former New Zealand captain slammed the D/L method early
on Tuesday morning after CSK's seven-wicket loss.

"There's a real anomaly in Duckworth-Lewis, it is rubbish for Twenty20,"
said Fleming. "It shouldn't be around for T20. it killed the game today."

Chennai was 65 for two after nine overs when rain stopped play. And when the
game resumed after about one-and-a-half hours, it became a 17-over affair
with the defending champion making 131. And under the D/L method, Kochi
needed to score 135, which it achieved without much fuss.

"When you get no extra runs from Duckworth-Lewis, it's quite a big
disadvantage," said Fleming.

Meanwhile, despite the big victory, Kochi captain Mahela Jayawardene said
the D/L needed a review.

"It has to be reviewed. Duckworth-Lewis is a method which they came up with
for ODIs. To my limited knowledge, they do take an average score to make
that formula. I think it is somewhere around 230 or 240. So, once you take
an average score like that and apply that in Twenty20s, the whole thing is
different," said the former Sri Lankan captain.

"You start from a 50-over match and then you start with a 20-over match or
18-over game or 17-over game and you work backwards. So the average score is
something that you really need to look at."

The changes in the game mean that the D/L format needs a much closer look,
suggested Jayawardene.

"Even in 50 overs, with the new Power Play, I think the average score needs
to be looked at closely," he said.

"If you take the last 50 games or 100 games that have been played with the
Power Play, I think that average score should be higher.

"So, I think it's time for everyone to closely review that and see whether
it's good enough to use in the Twenty20 as well as the 50 overs. It is not
easy. But there is room for improvement in all areas."


Stex

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Apr 19, 2011, 7:15:35 PM4/19/11
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On Apr 20, 11:08 am, "StraightDrive" <StraightDr...@Tendulkar.com>
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It's probably not very good at predicting times for those Cheese
Rolling competitions in England either.

Stex

CDK

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Apr 19, 2011, 10:11:29 PM4/19/11
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I think for Smash and Bash a coin toss has much more of a chance of
predicting the result than D/L

CDK

Andrew Dunford

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Apr 19, 2011, 10:30:10 PM4/19/11
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"Stex" <stex...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Apr 20, 11:08 am, "StraightDrive" <StraightDr...@Tendulkar.com>
> wrote:
>> http://www.hindu.com/2011/04/20/stories/2011042056801600.htm
>>
>> Fleming slams Duckworth-Lewis method
>>
>> Stan Rayan
>> KOCHI: Tony Lewis, one of the men behind the Duckworth-Lewis method that
>> is
>> used to sort out rain-hit cricket matches, revealed recently that he
>> often
>> receives hate mail.
>>
>> Stephen Fleming, the Chennai Super Kings coach, could be sending one too
>> one
>> of these days. The former New Zealand captain slammed the D/L method
>> early
>> on Tuesday morning after CSK's seven-wicket loss.
>>
>> "There's a real anomaly in Duckworth-Lewis, it is rubbish for Twenty20,"
>> said Fleming. "It shouldn't be around for T20. it killed the game today."
>>
>> Chennai was 65 for two after nine overs when rain stopped play. And when
>> the
>> game resumed after about one-and-a-half hours, it became a 17-over affair
>> with the defending champion making 131. And under the D/L method, Kochi
>> needed to score 135, which it achieved without much fuss.
>>
>> "When you get no extra runs from Duckworth-Lewis, it's quite a big
>> disadvantage," said Fleming.

Not sure what all the fuss is about. The reason for the smallish adjustment
is that (a) almost half of Chennai's eventual innings length occurred after
the rain break, and (b) their innings was reduced by only a relatively small
percentage i.e. from 20 to 17 overs.

<snip>

Andrew

Stex

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Apr 20, 2011, 12:18:16 AM4/20/11
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> CDK- Hide quoted text -
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Dont worry at the rate we're heading the coin toss will BE the cricket
in no time

Test cricket -> 5050 -> 2020 -> 1010 -> 0101 -> .1.1 -> coin toss.

Stex

Stex

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Apr 20, 2011, 12:20:59 AM4/20/11
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On Apr 20, 2:30 pm, "Andrew Dunford" <adunf...@artifax.net> wrote:
> "Stex" <stex2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I was just having a dig at 2020 by comparing it to cheese rolling.

Stex

Andrew Dunford

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Apr 20, 2011, 1:17:16 AM4/20/11
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"Stex" <stex...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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Yes, I gathered that. I was addressing Mr Fleming rather than you.

Andrew

Neha

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Apr 20, 2011, 1:25:36 PM4/20/11
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Mr Fleming Doesn't read RSC though..

http://tinyurl.com/3ujclq3

Neha

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