Younis getting better and better
arahim
One wonders how these contracts are drawn up that the franchises can
cancel without penalty.
cricketrulez
Arahim,
Have you ever signed or looked at a contract? Based on your posts and
given that you are pakistani, I realize that logic is not your strong
suit. I'll attempt reasoning with you anyway.
Contracts assign power and obligations to the parties, but not always
equitably. If you don't think a contract is equitable or fair, don't
sign it in the first place. Pak players were not available at the time
when the team rosters were finalized. The fact that IPL was moved to
SA in 2009 and Pak govt allowed players to travel to SA means
absolutely nothing as far as their IPL contracts go. It was/is up to
the respective franchises what to do with those contracts. Some were
simply suspended and others were canceled. Pak players always have the
option of boycotting the next IPL in protest.
noman
> Have you ever signed or looked at a contract? Based on your posts and
> given that you are pakistani, I realize that logic is not your strong
> suit. I'll attempt reasoning with you anyway.
The thing is that while you read all of ARahim's post (and I don't), I
don't see any indication that he reads yours. So you might as well
spend your great reasoning prowess on someone who may actually listen -
umm a countryman of yours about to burn Dhoni's effigy for instance.
--
Noman
RSC Poster
Are you being deliberately obtuse or is this the limit of your
understanding? If the players don't or can't play, cancellation is a
very obvious option open to the franchise.
Regards,
Jayen
cricketrulez
> The thing is that while you read all of ARahim's post (and I don't), I
> don't see any indication that he reads yours.
Actually he did and posted a weak ass reply. Not that his original
post was exactly earth shattering.
the thing I don't get is, on one hand you have the BCCI is greedy is
evil blah blah blah. this is followed by evil BCCI is not sharing its
loot with us equally (eg champions league, IPL salaries etc)
Pak hypocrisy at its best!
Ravi
Do you know if these contracts were cancelled or was it a case that
the contracts were not fulfilled as the players could not
participate?
Ravi
arahim
http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-newspaper-daily-english-online/Sports/03-Apr-2009/Pakistan-players-to-sue-IPL-for-cancelling-contracts
http://cricketnext.in.com/news/younis-threatens-legal-action-against-ipl/39653-13.html
Why do you think BCCI is showing all its muscles:)
> Ravi
arahim
The franchises were also oppertunistic in that they did not cancel the
$100,000 contracts merely suspending them but cancelled contracts of
high value. Even if you accept that they didn't know they were going
to move then one rule should have been followed either all cancelled
or all suspended. They saw this as an oppertunity to get rid of the
higher paying contracts (even though they would not have had to pay
for the year the players weren't there). They just acted unilaterally
which the governments can but the boards cannot per ICC guidelines.
When Butt held onto Lawson's severance package I wrote here that it is
bad behavior and pay the man what's due him. The indian board, IPL and
the franchises have behaved in a much more systematically disgusting
behavior.
> Ravi
Mohan
> When Butt held onto Lawson's severance package I wrote here that it is
> bad behavior and pay the man what's due him. The indian board, IPL and
> the franchises have behaved in a much more systematically disgusting
> behavior.
So why is the Pakistan captain asking his players to ask for more
money, rather than asking them to boycott this disgusting IPL?
Mohan
arahim
Why should he? Why has BCCI (IPL) stopped them from playing in ICL by
restricting their work opportunities. Infact since it comes under ICC
(through which these bannings happen) they have a right to IPL money.
If they are discriminated against compared to any of the other ICC
member countries they will have legal recourse. Now whether the Indian
courts are good enough is another matter.
> Mohan
Mohan
> On Jun 29, 9:02 pm, Mohan <dpuse...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jun 30, 8:56 am, arahim <arahim_ara...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > When Butt held onto Lawson's severance package I wrote here that it is
> > > bad behavior and pay the man what's due him. The indian board, IPL and
> > > the franchises have behaved in a much more systematically disgusting
> > > behavior.
>
> > So why is the Pakistan captain asking his players to ask for more
> > money, rather than asking them to boycott this disgusting IPL?
>
> Why should he? Why has BCCI (IPL) stopped them from playing in ICL by
> restricting their work opportunities. Infact since it comes under ICC
> (through which these bannings happen) they have a right to IPL money.
BCCI didn't stop the Pakistan players from playing in ICL. IPL doesn't
come under ICC.
Mohan
arahim
Yes it does. Part of BCCI which part of ICC. Which world are you in.
> Mohan
Mohan
BCCI is a member of the ICC to the extent of organizing nation-vs-
nation cricket. But IPL is BCCI's own domestic tournament and ICC has
no say in it.
Mohan
arahim
Doesn't work that way. For example IPL on its own cannot legally ban
any one country's players from playing in it. I did float the idea
that PCB should give legal cover to ICL:) thus bringing it within the
umbrella of ICC. If you still don't believe me then look at the
records. IPLs records are kept under the auspicies of official (ICC)
cricket and the ICLs are not.
> Mohan- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
RSC Poster
> On Jun 29, 8:34 pm, Ravi <krav...@gmail.com> wrote:> On Jun 30, 1:21 am, arahim <arahim_ara...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >http://www.cricinfo.com/ipl2009/content/current/story/410731.html
>
> > > One wonders how these contracts are drawn up that the franchises can
> > > cancel without penalty.
>
> > Do you know if these contracts were cancelled or was it a case that
> > the contracts were not fulfilled as the players could not
> > participate?
>
>
Based on these two links, their case seems extremely weak.
"The Pakistan players argued that no contract is binding if a player
is forced to follow government instructions" is a fair justification
for the IPL not to sue the players for breach of contract, but is no
justification to demand payment for the contract.
Regards,
Jayen
cricketrulez
>Infact since it comes under ICC
> (through which these bannings happen) they have a right to IPL money.
> If they are discriminated against compared to any of the other ICC
> member countries they will have legal recourse.
Talk about self righteousness! Paki players have right to IPL money?
News flash! Its an auction system! All the paki players are entitled
to is an opporunity to be a part of that auction and their value is
decided by and only by the franchises. If you don't like the value
assigned to you, don't sign the contract. If you don't like other
provisions in the contract, (eg. suspension of a contract when the
player can't guarantee their participation on time) don't sign it!
Yes, they can be discriminated. If they IPL franchises feel that
having PAK players on their team will hurt their business, they are
well within their rights to ignore the paki's. Guess, what the pak
players have no legal recourse to that, none frickin whatsoever!
In the amount of time you have spent posting on this forum, one would
think you would able to site relevant case law for the all these legal
threats.
CR
noman
> On Jun 29, 6:04�pm, "noman" <no_m...@zzzyahoo.yycom> wrote:
>
> > The thing is that while you read all of ARahim's post (and I
> > don't), I don't see any indication that he reads yours.
>
> Actually he did and posted a weak ass reply. Not that his original
> post was exactly earth shattering.
Ok, congratulations then, that you have his attention. Hope you get a
good night sleep.
--
Noman
arahim
:)
I'll take the Dunford defence here: It was actually your reply that
had caught my eye and hence I got a peek at his:) and replied to it.
> --
> Noman
noman
> Talk about self righteousness! Paki players have right to IPL money?
If IPL wants to be taken seriously then they should spend a lot of
money to recruit the World Champions for that format of the game.
It's just common sense, isn't it? However if majority of your
countrymen don't like Pakistani players to play IPL, then that's a
valid point. But let them finish with burning Dhoni's effigy first,
before they truly decide what players they want to see in IPL.
--
Noman
cricketrulez
Till then, quit your bellyaching about pak players salary in IPL and
not being invited to invitational tournament.
CR
noman
> On Jun 30, 3:14�pm, "noman" <no_m...@zzzyahoo.yycom> wrote:
> > cricketrulez wrote:
> > > Talk about self righteousness! Paki players have right to IPL
> > > money?
> >
> > If IPL wants to be taken seriously then they should spend a lot of
> > money to recruit the World Champions for that format of the game.
> >
> > It's just common sense, isn't it? However if majority of your
> > countrymen don't like Pakistani players to play IPL, then that's a
> > valid point. But let them finish with burning Dhoni's effigy first,
> > before they truly decide what players they want to see in IPL.
>
> Till then, quit your bellyaching about pak players salary in IPL and
> not being invited to invitational tournament.
>
While it may seem the end of the world to you, there's another World
T20 in about nine-ten month time. So don't eat your heart out yet, and
go get some sleep.
--
Noman
cricketrulez
?????
huh? ITs you and arahim (mostly arahim) who just won't shut up about
the IPL and champions league and poor treatment of pak at the hands of
BCCI.