Was Mike Tyson KO'd as an amateur?
Chris Tsao
Tyson was knocked out as an amateur. This isn't true is it? If yes, was he on
he layed out on his back or standing?
Goldilox
Stupid may i say, i have seen them all and he should have won all of them.
But the amateur rules have always been strange i think!!
Jimmy
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> He was never knocked as an amateur, he lost on point's.
> Stupid may i say, i have seen them all and he should have won all of them.
> But the amateur rules have always been strange i think!!
The dilemma fortifying this problem is anyone who wants can be an
Amateur Judge. It's the easiest position in the boxing World to
acquire. Perchance, may I add that every Amateur official I have come
in contact with, deserves not to be officiating or shows conduct that
wraps them in a conflict of interest.
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Jason
Tyson was knocked out as an amateur. I think the guys name was Al Evans. I
remember Holyfield talking about seeing Tyson beating some guy around the ring
and then the guy landed a lucky shot and Tyson was out.
As a matter of fact, this guy fought Riddick Bowe early in Bowe's career on CBS,
and the commentators kept talking up Evans' win over Tyson in the amateurs.
basilio
> In a letter to a boxing magazine that I read years ago, a fan wrote that Mike
> Tyson was knocked out as an amateur. This isn't true is it? If yes, was he on
> he layed out on his back or standing?
Mike was KOed in the second round by some guy named Al "Chico" Evans
in the amateurs. It was a bullshit stoppage though. Evans caught a
then 16 year old Mike coming in with a straight right and dropped him.
It was a suprise knockdown and Mike didn't appear to have been hurt by
the punch and immediatelty got up before the count of 3, but the
over-protective ref stopped the fight because of the way Mike fell to
the canvas.
basilio
> He was never knocked as an amateur, he lost on point's.
> Stupid may i say, i have seen them all and he should have won all of them.
> But the amateur rules have always been strange i think!!
>
>
> Jimmy
>
>
to Graig Payne and Henry Tillman twice. And one was by KO to Al
"chico" Evans. Needless to say all these guys became busts when they
turned professional.
Mister
fight? A knockdown is as good as a knockout in most amateur circles.
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YoBro521
>fight? A knockdown is as good as a knockout in most amateur circles
If you get knocked down in an amateur fight you better not shimmy, your eyes
better be clear and you better be a house fighter.
Melanie Ley
wrote:
>How many times have you seen a guy get up from the canvas to win an amateur
>fight?
Many.
> A knockdown is as good as a knockout in most amateur circles.
Not. A "KO" in amateur boxing is when (1) a boxer gets
knocked cold (doesn't happen all that often) or (2) the referee stops
the bout because one boxer is taking too many head blows and the ref
doesn't want him/her to get KOd. There is also just the RSC - when
the ref stops the contest because a boxer is outclassed or tired or
injured - this is not a KO.
Mel
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Melanie Ley
If you wobble or your eyes are glazed or rolling, the referee
will stop the bout but it may not be classified as a KO. There are no
"house fighters" in the amateurs.
YoBro521
>the ref stops the contest because a boxer is outclassed or tired or
>injured - this is not a KO
Its worse than a KO, theres no excuse for getting tired
Melanie Ley
You're right about that - and it's mostly novice and/or out of
condition boxers.
Gotta put the blame on the coaches. 8-)
YoBro521
>
HAHAH My man Oscar wouldnt think twice about that! He'd probably blame the
lady judgeing too! Watch out!
YoBro521
>"house fighters" in the amateurs.
>
Theres is No "No such thing" in boxing. Amaterus are as crooked as they come
also.
Melanie Ley
>> There are no
>>"house fighters" in the amateurs.
>>
>Amaterus are as crooked as they come also.
In what respect? There isn't any money involved, you know. I
have found officials who are not well trained and adults who think
they are more important than the athletes but I have not found
corruption or crookedness in the U.S. Internationally, there is a
movement afoot to clean up their act.
Giovanny Christian Delgado
Maybe the Roy Jones robbery will refresh your memory about what he means
by a house fighter. That was certainly a "house decision" in Seoul if you
ask me......
Jason
decisions go to the fighter with the better rep, hell I was given a gift on
two occassions that I can think of.(and I did legitimately beat both of those
guys in rematches) The LBC higher-ups have their favorites who they like to
send to the nationals. It is just a fact.
Once incident that comes to mind in the St. Louis area happened in relation
to either the 91 or 92 Golden Gloves. A boxer named Phillip Russell won the
St. Louis GG unapposed at 132. The golden gloves franchise owner for st.
louis(Mel, you'll know who i'm talking about) didn't want this guy going to
the nationals so he ordered a fight during one of our "in-between"
tournaments, the st. louis diamond gloves, with David Turner--an
eventual(1993) US Championships bronze medalist. Needless to say, Turner
stopped Phillip in the 1st round and they gave him a susupension, which meant
he couldn't go the nationals. Granted, Phillip had no business going anyway,
but to basically force him into getting knocked off the team was amateur
politics at its best.
It's unfortunate, but there will always be a level of "crookedness" int he
amateurs.
Melanie Ley
<lord.m...@verizon.net> wrote:
>Maybe the Roy Jones robbery will refresh your memory about what he means
>by a house fighter. That was certainly a "house decision" in Seoul if you
>ask me......
My reference to no "house fighter" was in reference to the
U.S. Again, internationally, AIBA is starting to clean up its act.
Melanie Ley
wrote:
>There are some incidences of "crookedness" in amateur boxing.
I prefer the word "favoritism." 8-) Again, there are always
those adults whose ego gets in the way of what it right for the
athlete. I do see it happening much less than I did when I first
started. Slowly, but surely............still isn't as bad as the
pros, though.
> I've seen gift decisions go to the fighter with the better rep
I haven't seen this at the national level (except for Golden
Gloves) in a long time.
>The LBC higher-ups have their favorites who they like to
>send to the nationals. It is just a fact.
Thank goodness, this isn't "a fact" much any more. About the
only time I see something like this is when there are untrained
officials at the local level. Most of the time, the "favorites" don't
get past the Regional level unless they actually do win.
>
>Once incident that comes to mind in the St. Louis area happened in relation
>to either the 91 or 92 Golden Gloves.
Don't get me started on Golden Gloves.......
d...@cheetah.net
wrote:
Stuff trimmed on both sides
> I prefer the word "favoritism." 8-) Again, there are always
>those adults whose ego gets in the way of what it right for the
>athlete. I do see it happening much less than I did when I first
>started. Slowly, but surely............still isn't as bad as the
>pros, though.
>
>Mel
>
Mel,
You may prefer any euphemistic term
as you wish. Crooked politics in
some quarters of amateur boxing is
as prevalent as water in the
Mississippi River. Managers, trainers,
boxers know it. A good manager can
steer a fighter through the land mines.
\ A great fighter who takes no prisoners
speaks for itself.
DCI
Jason
The Golden Gloves tournament does seem to be in a world of its own sometimes.
One would think that if USA Boxing really wanted to straighten up the GG
tourney, they could easily threaten to no longer give an automatic bid to the
Olympic Trials for the champions. Having only fought in 2 national PAL
championships, I am sure you have more knowledge on this than I do, but it
seemed to me that the national PAL tourney, which has an open entry format and
thus a potential for many more boxers, is better operated than the national GG,
which only allows franchise champs to compete, i.e. alot less boxers.
Any thoughts on this, Mel?
Melanie Ley
>On Wed, 04 Jul 2001 16:16:44 GMT, Melanie Ley <boxmel@_NO_SPAM_home.com>
>wrote:
>
> You may prefer any euphemistic term
> as you wish. Crooked politics in
> some quarters of amateur boxing is
> as prevalent as water in the
> Mississippi River.
Names? Incidents?
> Managers, trainers,
> boxers know it.
Guess it depends on who it is.
> A good manager can
> steer a fighter through the land mines.
There are no managers in amateur boxing - except the pro guys
who have some of the kids, i.e., Lou Duva.
>\ A great fighter who takes no prisoners
> speaks for itself.
Sorry. You lost me on this one - unless you're referring to a
KO to get the right decision. I'd have to disagree on that.
Melanie Ley
wrote:
>The Golden Gloves tournament does seem to be in a world of its own sometimes.
Most definitely. They break the rules constantly and their
officials only work Golden Gloves matches. You never seem them at any
other boxing tournament.
>One would think that if USA Boxing really wanted to straighten up the GG
>tourney, they could easily threaten to no longer give an automatic bid to the
>Olympic Trials for the champions.
It is my understanding that the USOC insisted that the Group
Members feed into the Olympic Trials.
>I am sure you have more knowledge on this than I do, but it seemed to me that the national PAL tourney, which has an open entry format and thus a potential for many more boxers,
It also includes the 13-14 and 15-16 years olds, as well as
the 17+ open males. It is also a "pay your own way" tournament -
boxers do not advance from the local level to reach the national
tournament. I hear this may change.
> is better operated than the national GG,
Only in that the rules are better followed. I worked the
tournament last year and it was an organizational mess before it got
started.
>which only allows franchise champs to compete, i.e. alot less boxers.
GG usually gets around 300 - the PAL about the same (open
boxers). Group members, i.e., Golden Gloves and PAL are supposed to
have advancing tournaments to qualify for the nationals - that's part
of the Group Membership rules. As you know, USA Boxing has an
advancing tournament leading to the championships. PAL is the only
exception.
>
>Any thoughts on this, Mel?
Mel
d...@cheetah.net
wrote:
>On Wed, 04 Jul 2001 11:01:05 -0700, d...@cheetah.net wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 04 Jul 2001 16:16:44 GMT, Melanie Ley <boxmel@_NO_SPAM_home.com>
>>wrote:
>
>>
>> You may prefer any euphemistic term
>> as you wish. Crooked politics in
>> some quarters of amateur boxing is
>> as prevalent as water in the
>> Mississippi River.
>
> Names? Incidents?
>
>> Managers, trainers,
>> boxers know it.
>
> Guess it depends on who it is.
>
>> A good manager can
>> steer a fighter through the land mines.
>
> There are no managers in amateur boxing - except the pro guys
>who have some of the kids, i.e., Lou Duva.
>
>
>>\ A great fighter who takes no prisoners
>> speaks for itself.
>
> Sorry. You lost me on this one - unless you're referring to a
>KO to get the right decision. I'd have to disagree on that.
>
>
>
>
>Mel
Come on, Mel, you're trying to
protect turf where none is needed.
Let the other RSB regulars answer
my statements.
In regard to no managers in the
amateurs, use any word you wish,
there are managers in the amateurs
even if they're not called such.
DCI
The Sanity Cruzer
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> Come on, Mel, you're trying to
> protect turf where none is needed.
That's standard operating procedure, or hadn't you noticed?
> Let the other RSB regulars answer
> my statements.
>
> In regard to no managers in the
> amateurs, use any word you wish,
> there are managers in the amateurs
> even if they're not called such.
How about "guidance counselors"? Agreed. "By any other name . . . . "
It's not as though these kids train themselves, sign up for tournaments all
on their own and get themselves to their bouts all on their own. Managers
or whatever. Someone is involved, and it's not the tooth fairy.
TSC
Alister Scott Ottesen
"basilio" <krazy...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> Mike's record as an amateur was 28-4. 3 of those loses were decisions
> to Graig Payne and Henry Tillman twice. And one was by KO to Al
> "chico" Evans. Needless to say all these guys became busts when they
> turned professional.
Didn't he lose a decision to Orlin Norris in 1982 also? I seem to remember
that was some of the hype in the bulid up to their farce of a fight two
years ago.
Alister
Melanie Ley
> Come on, Mel, you're trying to
> protect turf where none is needed.
I'm not protecting turf. Just making statements based on my
knowledge.
>
> Let the other RSB regulars answer
> my statements.
>
So I can't? What other RSB regulars are as knowledgeable
about amateur boxing as I? Sorry - didn't realize I was banned from
this discussion.
> In regard to no managers in the
> amateurs, use any word you wish,
> there are managers in the amateurs
> even if they're not called such.
>
Not in the same sense as there are managers in the pros. They
don't dictate bouts or determine who athletes compete against.
Sponsors for some; Lou Duva for a very few others....
Melanie Ley
According to my records - Tyson was 48-6 as an amateur. He
lost to Ernie Bennet in 1981, Al Evans in 1982, Craig Payne and
Kimmuel Odum in 1983, and Henry Tillman, twice in 1984.
He never boxed Orlin Norris.
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Earl Brian Lewis Jr
> In a letter to a boxing magazine that I read years ago, a fan wrote that Mike
> Tyson was knocked out as an amateur. This isn't true is it? If yes, was he on
> he layed out on his back or standing?
Earl Brian Lewis Jr
Earl Brian Lewis Jr
> He was never knocked as an amateur, he lost on point's.
> Stupid may i say, i have seen them all and he should have won all of them.
> But the amateur rules have always been strange i think!!
>
> Jimmy
>
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> Mike
> > Tyson was knocked out as an amateur. This isn't true is it? If yes, was he
> on
> > he layed out on his back or standing?
Earl Brian Lewis Jr
> Tyson was knocked out as an amateur. This isn't true is it? If yes, was he on
> he layed out on his back or standing?
I joke. I am 61 years old now. And looking back to my Glory Days. It's just whimsical. Not many people can claim that they knocked out 'Mike Tyson" Glory Days.